rufah cutie,


I quoted your post that can be found here: <a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/261121/post?messageid=1163046589</a" target="_new">http://www.network54.com/Forum/261121/post?messageid=1163046589</a>;



Rufah Buenaventura (Login ruffah_cutie)
Posted Nov 9, 2006 12:29 PM

Why? Have you ever ask yourself if you have known the entire bible? God had written the bible for us to know all the instructions for salvation, not for the basis of being boastful...

INGKOTONG: Then how come Eli Soriano boasted when he taught na "ipinagkaloob daw sa kanya ng Dios ang bulto-bultong karunungan, then he attacked other preachers and said they have "pulot" doctrines. How come Soriano himself is boastful?


Rufah Buenaventura (Login ruffah_cutie)
Posted Nov 9, 2006 12:29 PM

Have you proven his stupidity in the bible?
Do you know all the scriptures in the bible and you're claiming that Bro Eli is a certified stupid in God's word wherein he teaches us?
And why is it that he became a preacher if he is stupid in the Word of God?


INGKOTONG: If he is indeed not stupid in God's words, then where did he get these teachings:

1. God has a butt
2. God told Adam that his bowel would harden
3. Adam named "uwak" (crow) as uwak because of its cry, waak, waak, waak
4. Mangos multiplied and became plentiful because an elephant played with its seed
5. The smoke of Cain's offering rolled over the land/earth
6. Christ has lust (may halay)
7. The naked man in Mark 14:50-52 is Mark himself but taught in other times that he is someone who is not right in his mind.
8. That the "araw" in the tagalog version of the Bible was taught by Soriano as "SUN" when in fact it is "DAY" or "Daytime".

Can you please tell me if these teachings are not stupidity in themselves?


Rufah Buenaventura (Login ruffah_cutie)
Posted Nov 9, 2006 12:29 PM

Remember...Being boastful and arrogant is strictly prohibited by God...He created us to be kind to each other especially to all the preachers that teaches us on how to live with God and the things that we're going to do by the time the judgement day come....

We should thank God for all the preachers He'd been appointed, coz without them, maybe, we'll get drowned in the oceanic HELL!!!!!

~Rufah~



INGKOTONG: I guess you should tell that to Soriano so he won't proclaim and boast about:


1. kabisado nya ang Biblia
2. kahit kay tagal tagal na niyang sinabi natatandaan pa niya
3. Kahit patayin ang lahat ng ilaw, babasahin niya ang Biblia
4. PInagkalooban siya ng Dios ng bulto-bultong kaalaman
5. Siya lang ang pastor na nagtuturo ng puro nakasulat (he proves that what you're saying is not true when you said: be kind to each other especially to all the preachers that teaches us...)


You see, you don't know Soriano. He believes otherwise because he in fact attacks other pastors.



And with regard to this post of yours:

Rufah Buenaventura
(Login ruffah_cutie) to INC
No score for this post November 9 2006, 11:20 AM

God will not tollerate to have a gay preacher...Because in the book of Genesis, it says that God created only two human beings, Adam and Eve, with two sexes, male and female.

He will not be a preacher if he is a gay...

Prove to us that Bro Eli is a gay...

But be sure that your assurance is credible, and if it is not, we'll not believe you.... ayt

~Rufah~



INGKOTONG: If God won't tolerate to have gay preachers, will he tolerate preachers who tolerate gay members?

If it is not okay for God to have gay preachers, Is it okay for God to have gay followers?

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Thread title: 'Ang Dating Daan supporter added'

Up!

Bro, where did you got those instances? I know.. In watching the INC shows? The question is, Is that true or they just uttering a libelous words againts other preacher whom they dont like, or againts their competitors in teaching the word of God? In regards with the gay issue, As what I've said, gay preachers are not tollerated by God BUT I didn't say that preachers who tollerate gay members is prohibited. It's a natural to be a bisexual, as long as they are with God's, but God will not tollerate bisexual preachers as they're appointed by Him.

Okei... I suggest you to watch "Ang Dating Daan", "Truth in focus", "Bible Guide" "Mapalad ang Bumabasa", hosted by Bro. Daniel Razon and other Bro. Eli Soriano shows.... and pick up those instances that you've got and show it to me.

ayt...

~Rufah~

We already watched those ADD shows, and the more we watched it, the more we find contradictions in his teachings.

You can run but you can't hide from these facts:

INGKOTONG: If he is indeed not stupid in God's words, then where did he get these teachings:

1. God has a butt
2. God told Adam that his bowel would harden
3. Adam named "uwak" (crow) as uwak because of its cry, waak, waak, waak
4. Mangos multiplied and became plentiful because an elephant played with its seed
5. The smoke of Cain's offering rolled over the land/earth
6. Christ has lust (may halay)
7. The naked man in Mark 14:50-52 is Mark himself but taught in other times that he is someone who is not right in his mind.
8. That the "araw" in the tagalog version of the Bible was taught by Soriano as "SUN" when in fact it is "DAY" or "Daytime".

I'm sad to tell you that clips from INC's shows were taken from ADD program itslef. The INC just records them.

And I'm glad to tell you that I watch ITanong mo kay Soriano and other ADD programs like Usapang Cristiano when I can and I'm also glad to tell you that some of Soriano's contradictions I watched on your programs. I also happened to watch Razon's program from time to time where he reads Bible verses, etc.


Former ADD members also attest the veracity of what the INC shows on our programs regarding Soriano's wrong teachings and contradictory teachings.


For example, it was on your program where Soriano taught that the "araw" in Romans 13:13 is "SUN" instead of DAY!


It is not who utters libelous words against Soriano.

Who calls the INC members as murderers?

Answer: SORIANO


Who calls INC ministers as: G_ago, T_arantado, D_emonyo, and other malicious words?

Answer: SORIANO


Who calls other preachers as: Gorilya, Parang may kagat-kagat na buko, parang nakaluluon ng pakwan sa laki ng tiyan, mga mamamatay tao daw ang Muslim, etc?

Answer: SORIANO


And if Soriano is in deep trouble now regarding his contradictory teachings, it is not the INC's faults. The INC just showed the people numerous instances wherein Soriano contradicted and contradicts his teachings before. If he has someone to blame, he should blame himself.

Did you ever wonder why your preachers (Soriano and company) doesn't want to answers the issues regarding his contradicting teachings? Because they really are contradictory!



It is also on your program (broadcast of your Bible Expo in Araneta Coliseum) where he taught the naked man in Mark 14:50-52 is Mark himself (I watched this at UNTV37 prior to watching it on Net 25's broadcast). It is also on your program where Soriano (prior to the Araneta Bible Expo) taught that this naked man is "may diperensya" (thus him explaining the issue at Araneta).


Now if this is not a simple act of stupidity, can you tell us what really is his stand regarding the issue?

Is the naked man really Mark or a person na may diperensya?



And is GOd biased when it comes to bisexualism? How come he doesn't approve of a gay preacher when it is okay for him (according to you) to have gay followers? Is this Biblical?




And yes, Bro. i3answer is correct in his post below. You did not address the issue regarding Soriano's stupid teachings. Now if you are going to tell me that these teachings are not taught by Soriano, then I can only assume that you are just new to the group (thus you haven't heard of them yet) or you're lying to your teeth (just like Soriano when he said that he beat INC's General Evangelist in a debate which up to now your beloved religious organization has not proven yet via his claimed audio and video of said debate).




Now, if you still do not want to believe me, go to this thread:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/261121/thread/1161877290/last-1163133774/Naka-hubot-hubad%2C+may+DIPRENSYA+-+Eli+Soriano+%28puno+ng+Ang+Dating+Daan%29

You will see there why Soriano is being haunted by his own stupidity.

Note: they are recorded by Net 25 from ADD's TV broadcast!

I'm sad to tell you that clips from INC's shows were taken from ADD program itslef. The INC just records them.

And I'm glad to tell you that I watch ITanong mo kay Soriano and other ADD programs like Usapang Cristiano when I can and I'm also glad to tell you that some of Soriano's contradictions I watched on your programs. I also happened to watch Razon's program from time to time where he reads Bible verses, etc.


Former ADD members also attest the veracity of what the INC shows on our programs regarding Soriano's wrong teachings and contradictory teachings.


For example, it was on your program where Soriano taught that the "araw" in Romans 13:13 is "SUN" instead of DAY!


It is not who utters libelous words against Soriano.

Who calls the INC members as murderers?

Answer: SORIANO


Who calls INC ministers as: G_ago, T_arantado, D_emonyo, and other malicious words?

Answer: SORIANO


Who calls other preachers as: Gorilya, Parang may kagat-kagat na buko, parang nakaluluon ng pakwan sa laki ng tiyan, mga mamamatay tao daw ang Muslim, etc?

Answer: SORIANO


And if Soriano is in deep trouble now regarding his contradictory teachings, it is not the INC's faults. The INC just showed the people numerous instances wherein Soriano contradicted and contradicts his teachings before. If he has someone to blame, he should blame himself.

Did you ever wonder why your preachers (Soriano and company) doesn't want to answers the issues regarding his contradicting teachings? Because they really are contradictory!



It is also on your program (broadcast of your Bible Expo in Araneta Coliseum) where he taught the naked man in Mark 14:50-52 is Mark himself (I watched this at UNTV37 prior to watching it on Net 25's broadcast). It is also on your program where Soriano (prior to the Araneta Bible Expo) taught that this naked man is "may diperensya" (thus him explaining the issue at Araneta).


Now if this is not a simple act of stupidity, can you tell us what really is his stand regarding the issue?

Is the naked man really Mark or a person na may diperensya?



And is GOd biased when it comes to bisexualism? How come he doesn't approve of a gay preacher when it is okay for him (according to you) to have gay followers? Is this Biblical?




And yes, Bro. i3answer is correct in his post below. You did not address the issue regarding Soriano's stupid teachings. Now if you are going to tell me that these teachings are not taught by Soriano, then I can only assume that you are just new to the group (thus you haven't heard of them yet) or you're lying to your teeth (just like Soriano when he said that he beat INC's General Evangelist in a debate which up to now your beloved religious organization has not proven yet via his claimed audio and video of said debate).




Now, if you still do not want to believe me, go to this thread:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/261121/thread/1161877290/last-1163133774/Naka-hubot-hubad%2C+may+DIPRENSYA+-+Eli+Soriano+%28puno+ng+Ang+Dating+Daan%29

You will see there why Soriano is being haunted by his own stupidity.

Note: they are recorded by Net 25 from ADD's TV broadcast!



Regarding your other post:


Rufah Buenaventura
(Login ruffah_cutie) BRO ELI SORIANO, SUGO NG DIOS
No score for this post November 10 2006, 11:28 AM

Bro, you know, As what I've said, preachers are those who sent by God to teach us His Holy Word for us to be saved. And of course, they have been appointed by Him through their knowledge of Theology and other course related to the bible, And nobody is perfect so preachers sometimes can commit mistakes, and even us also, commit some mistakes, but we, as all the preachers who commit mistakes find several ways to avoid committng mistakes again, and dont you know that the bible has several translations, so that there art lots of times that most of our preachers cannot avoid commit mistakes in teache=ing the bible, and who told you that most of the preachers often contradict their own teachings? Show me...


INGKOTONG: If this is indeed true, then how come preachers are not united in their teachings? Let me give you an example. Soriano teaches that God has a butt. Is this biblical? If not, then how can you say that he (Soriano) is chosen and sent by God to teach His words when in fact Soriano is very fond of teaching contradictory doctrines?

Second, what should the members believe when it comes to contradictory teachings of Soriano like waht he explained in mark 14:50-52, when he said that Mark himself is the naked man there and in another instance, he said that this naked man is not mentally right. If Soriano is sent by God, what should the members of ADD believe regarding these teachings?

Another example, Soriano taught that Christ has lust (may halay). Do you agree? Will a preacher sent by God teach stupid doctrines such as these?


Rufah Cutie wrote:

And, one thing is, do you think that preachers are like God woho dont commit mistakes because they were sent by Him? You know that even his apostles sometimes commit minor mistakes and they're also find ways to avoid committng mistakes again, so preachers do also. Only God and Jesus Christ are those who have not committed mistakes ever since.


INGKOTONG: You said "minor mistakes", but do you still consider Soriano's teaching that Christ has lust a minor mistake? How about him teaching God has a butt? How about his teaching that God has scales and horns and teeth? Are these minor mistakes?

Rufah Cutie wrote:

Okei... Can you show me some instances of things that preachers can commit of? Ahh!!! I know... Those that cam be watched in the channel 25, The INC shows... Why? Do you think that those are true? Why dont you ask yourself... "Is that credible.... or they just make a libelous words againts their co preachers?"

INGKOTONG: Again, I will reiterate that what Net 25 shows are recorded broadcast of ADD in UNTV 37 and SBN 23(when your programs are still aired over this station). And your former brethren there at ADD also attest to the fact that they heard Soriano teach these things even before there was NET 25.

And if you are doubtful whether these are true. Let me return the question to you: How do you know they are not true. In fact, the INC Minister panelists of NET25 always dare your MINIsters there in ADD to show the people in your programs and prove that what NET25 shows are mangled, doctored clips, but up to this time, your shows has yet to address the issue. Why? Because if you show your original tapes of your broadcast the people would know that NET25 indeed showed the real thing and that Soriano indeed taught contradicting and unbiblical doctrines. So what they do is to poison your minds in to believing that NET25 doctors tapes by saying so, instead of showing you the original tapes.

Rufah Cutie wrote:

You know, the Bible can have a contradiction with the original but, whatever does it says, we should remember that the Bible is a Word Of God that we should believed of...

ayt...

Take care and God bless....

~Rufah~



INGKOTONG: My GOd. How can you say taht the Bible have contradictions just to redeem Soriano's contradictions. Do you even know what you are saying?

Bro, this is what Romans 13:13 says....

" Let us walk honestly as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying..."

Now, where is the word "sun" which has referred by Bro. Eli as "sun" instead of "day"? and I now, I ask you to bring at least one samples of his video tapes which has tampered or puzzled by INC ministers that will prove Bro Eli to have a contradiction regarding this verse....

Or I suggest you to read the entire book of Romans for you to know what does he means....

I have no pesonal conflict with one of the INC ministers, but the thing I dont like is their libelous words againts other preachers and their enemies....

Or, I suggest you to watch his shows again, I motivate you, and if you dont want, then its okay...

ayt

~Rufah~

Rufah Buenaventura (Login ruffah_cutie)
Posted Nov 11, 2006 1:14 PM

Bro, this is what Romans 13:13 says....

" Let us walk honestly as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying..."

Now, where is the word "sun" which has referred by Bro. Eli as "sun" instead of "day"? and I now, I ask you to bring at least one samples of his video tapes which has tampered or puzzled by INC ministers that will prove Bro Eli to have a contradiction regarding this verse....

Or I suggest you to read the entire book of Romans for you to know what does he means....

I have no pesonal conflict with one of the INC ministers, but the thing I dont like is their libelous words againts other preachers and their enemies....

Or, I suggest you to watch his shows again, I motivate you, and if you dont want, then its okay...

ayt

~Rufah~



INGKOTONG: Well it seems you really don't know Soriano that well and his ADD. If you do, you wouldn't be asking for the tape because die-hard members of ADD already admitted Soriano teaching Romans 13:13's "araw" (in the tagalog Version) as SUN and when in fact it is not the sun but "day" or "daytime" that is mentioned in the verse.

I watched this personally during one of ADD's broadcast in SBN23 (at that time). You see, believe it or not, I watch your programs when I can and I happen to have a friend and former classmate in HS who became a member of ADD and he encourages me to watch your programs and this is before NET25 came into being. Though the broadcast regarding the "SUN" teaching of Soriano was broadcasted after Ang Tamang Daan. In fact the reason why he (Soriano) resorted to teach this "SUN-thing is because he wanted to prove that he is not wrong in teaching what others say as wrong doctrines, thus he said that: Presumably, sa paniniwala ni Pablo lumalakad ang araw. But after we have studied astronomy, scientists came in to the conclusion that it is not the SUN that makes the movement, but it is the earth which revolves around the sun.

That's what he said. And in fact, I heard over the radio that he taught the same thing on another occasion.


If you're going to ask me to provide you with video of this, I'm sorry to disappoint you but I do not have the recording because I do not have the technological means to record videos. I have audio recordings on audio cassestte tapes of his other contradictions and unbiblical teachings (because that's all I can afford) but I do not have the technological expertise and hardware to upload it over the Net. If I do, I would've done so a long time ago. But I tell you with God as my witness that I have watched this when he taught this. If you wouldn't accept my reasoning then we should not believe also that Rizal came into being because you do not have the video to prove it.

But going back to the issue, read and scroll to the other threads and you will see that members of ADD already accepted the fact that Eliseo Soriano indeed made a mistake in understanding the "ARAW" mentioned in Roma 13:13.



I read the entire book of Romans and nowhere in there will you find that Apostle Paul mentions the SUN's movement as reference as to how the early Christians should live their lives. Instead, Apostle Paul advises them to "walk honestly as in the day". Paul did not tell them to imitate the SUN"s movement. To prove to you my point, look at the images below. I got them from your website.

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If this is from your website, how come Soriano do not realize that he was making a mistake in teaching that the ARAW in Romans 13:13 is not the SUN?


I thought he said he read every translation of the Bible? How come he did not understand it?




And before you close this thread, I think there are a few questions and issues that you have to resolve on the post prior to this one. Thanks very much.


I hope you would not resort to selective touches on issues that you only want to address. There are issues that since time immemorial have not been anaswered by your MICs, Manggangawas, fellow members of ADD and even Soriano and Daniel Razon themselves. Some of them I have posted above this post.

Bro, this is what Romans 13:13 says....

" Let us walk honestly as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying..."

Now, where is the word "sun" which has referred by Bro. Eli as "sun" instead of "day"? and I now, I ask you to bring at least one samples of his video tapes which has tampered or puzzled by INC ministers that will prove Bro Eli to have a contradiction regarding this verse....

Or I suggest you to read the entire book of Romans for you to know what does he means....

I have no pesonal conflict with one of the INC ministers, but the thing I dont like is their libelous words againts other preachers and their enemies....

Or, I suggest you to watch his shows again, I motivate you, and if you dont want, then its okay...

ayt

~Rufah

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Well, do you have an evidence that points out video tapes which has "tampered or puzzled by INC ministers" with regards to Romans 13:13 issue?

You're trying to serach from us evidences regarding eli Soriano's rape case. Now let's see what happens if we turn the tides this time.

Bro, I dont know where did you get the word "SUN" in that verse, Romans 13:13 look...

Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy.

I have read all of the translations of that verse you have shown me... but I cannot find the word "sun" there... And if you know the meaning of the verse, then, this is what it means...

We must live in a descent way as they do during DAYTIME... We shouldn't be in the company of evil deeds like jealousy, drunkenness, sexual malice, crimes, and others. We must be in the company of good deed where they live descently...

Now, there is no sun there. The word "Day" in other translations is "daytime, NOT "Sun"...
And I know that Bro. Eli didn't refer that word as a sun, but daytime, because he also translated that in tagalog version where he explain something like this:

We must live in a good way as they do in DAYTIME... I didn't hear the word "Sun" there...
And maybe, those tapes of Bro. Eli that come from INC was tampered or puzzled only... Coz I also watched INC shows that claiming Bro. Eli of his contradiction, but, why they cant explain the right? They just show us their tampered audios and videos of Bro. Eli but they can't explain the right verse and the right explanation....



~Rufah~

Rufah Buenaventura
(Login ruffah_cutie) Questions and Answers for ruffah_cute (Ang Dating Daan Supporter)
No score for this post November 13 2006, 12:28 PM

Bro, I dont know where did you get the word "SUN" in that verse, Romans 13:13 look...

Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy.

I have read all of the translations of that verse you have shown me... but I cannot find the word "sun" there... And if you know the meaning of the verse, then, this is what it means...

We must live in a descent way as they do during DAYTIME... We shouldn't be in the company of evil deeds like jealousy, drunkenness, sexual malice, crimes, and others. We must be in the company of good deed where they live descently...

Now, there is no sun there. The word "Day" in other translations is "daytime, NOT "Sun"...
And I know that Bro. Eli didn't refer that word as a sun, but daytime, because he also translated that in tagalog version where he explain something like this:

We must live in a good way as they do in DAYTIME... I didn't hear the word "Sun" there...

Don't pretend you don't know. Eli Soriano himself said it. "SUN"

And maybe, those tapes of Bro. Eli that come from INC was tampered or puzzled only... Coz I also watched INC shows that claiming Bro. Eli of his contradiction, but, why they cant explain the right? They just show us their tampered audios and videos of Bro. Eli but they can't explain the right verse and the right explanation....

Maybe? Such word of yours only further deteriorates your credibility regarding your accusation against us about so-called "tampered audios and videos".

To Rufah Cutie,


That is the point. as you said, there's no "SUN" in the verse of Romans 13:13. I have taken it from Soriano's web site to prove that he has the means to be correct in his teaching but still, he made a mistake in teaching that the "araw" being mentioned in Roma 13:13 (Tagalog version) is the SUN instead of DAY or DAYTIME.


I'm sorry to tell you that I have personally watched the broadcast where Soriano says "It is the Sun that makes the movement" on SBN 21(they have the old set-up still at this time). After this, NET25 pointed out that Soriano made a mistake in his explantion of Romans 13:13.


It is only after Soriano's broadcast and wrong teaching regarding Romans 13:13 that NET25 was able to clarify that Soriano made a mistake.



I wish that you scrutinize ADD and Soriano better. It seems you still do not know a lot of things about them. And please do not believe when ADD members and church workers when they tell you the INC mangle tapes of Soriano. It is the other way around. Let me tell you this:


During one of your Bible Expo at Gen. Trais Cavite, Bro. Jojo Geron asked Soriano his stand regarding the holy kiss in Romans 16:16. Soriano wasn't able to answer the question and he was stupified for more than a minute. When Soriano showed the video tape of the event, they cut the tape so it would look as if Soriano provided an answer to the question after 15 seconds only.

Soriano doesn't know that there are people (or at least there's one) who attended the activity and was recording the event on their videocams. Net25 gotten hold of this tape and showed the incident continuously and there Soriano was stupified by more than one minute and in during this, Willy Santiago attempted to save Soriano's face by attempting to answer the question, there's also a security person who blew his whistle, and there is also Soriano saying "mga kababayan, mga kbabayan, sandali, sandali!" All of these are part of the "should-be videotape" that Soriano should've showed in your program, but no. ADD decided to cut their own tape not knowing Net25 will be able to show another recording (meaning recorded from another angle by an attendee).

When NET25 proved to the people thet Soriano deleted precious seconds to his own tape, Soriano and the ADD panelists decided to drop the subject on your program's following broadcast and never mentioned that tape again.

There's also an instance when Willy Santiago ang Danny navales engaged in a debate against the 4th watch. In your program Danny Navales claimed he did not want to challenge the woman debater of the 4th watch and instead he preferred Quillao. In your broadcast it showed that the ADD won in the debate.


But since I also watch the 4th watch religious program (it was during the time that Soriano atacks the 4th watch and the 4th watch decided to answer Soriano's attacks), they showed the tape and it clearly showed Danny Navales was the one who wants the woman debater to be at his opposite. the lady debater was the one who is recommending another debater to Navales. The lady debater saying to Navales: "So kung hindi ako ayaw mo?" to this Navales said: "ayaw ko!"

The 4th watch also showed the lies of ADD program by proving that ADD did not win in the debate simply because Willy Santiago and Danny navales walked-out of the debate, left the venue, went directly to their vehicles and went home. Even the Mayor of the town was interviewd saying that the ADD panelists walked-out of the debate even after the 4th watch and the people's pleading for them to continue.


You see. The credibility of your programs is the one in shaky ground here!

See? When you're asked some questions you tend to avoid them and throw back questions instead of answering them?

Now that's what you call "diversionary tactics."

Answer these questions:

INGKOTONG: If he is indeed not stupid in God's words, then where did he get these teachings:

1. God has a butt
2. God told Adam that his bowel would harden
3. Adam named "uwak" (crow) as uwak because of its cry, waak, waak, waak
4. Mangos multiplied and became plentiful because an elephant played with its seed
5. The smoke of Cain's offering rolled over the land/earth
6. Christ has lust (may halay)
7. The naked man in Mark 14:50-52 is Mark himself but taught in other times that he is someone who is not right in his mind.
8. That the "araw" in the tagalog version of the Bible was taught by Soriano as "SUN" when in fact it is "DAY" or "Daytime".

Can you please tell me if these teachings are not stupidity in themselves?

Do you have an evidence that points out video tapes which has "tampered or puzzled by INC ministers" with regards to Romans 13:13 issue?

I want answers, NOT questions and/or diversionary tactics.

since you cant explain things well in tagalog, we might as well continue. its not that i dont understand what you want to convey but sometimes the construction of your sentences seem to be out of context.
is it a sin to ask for your gender? i am just asking. what i am trying to say is for you to have at least support your allegations, claims and anything you say against our belief with verses from the bible! cant you notice my brethren here in this forum? they are bombarding you with biblical passages with regards to our belief. another one is you are always willing to question us but when it is the INC members asking you questions about Mr Sorianos belief and teachings from the bible you are ignoring it. dont you have the guts to at least uphold your credibility by answering these q's...

here are some of Mr Sorianos teachings and beliefs... now if you have the guts(since your brethren refrained from showing us biblical passages to support these) could you at least cite verses from the bible to prove that these teachings of mr soriano are biblical...(NOTE: YOU SAID YOU ARE A DEBATER!)

1. God has a butt
2. God told Adam that his bowel would harden
3. Adam named "uwak" (crow) as uwak because of its cry, waak, waak, waak
4. Mangos multiplied and became plentiful because an elephant played with its seed
5. The smoke of Cain's offering rolled over the land/earth
6. Christ has lust (may halay)
7. The naked man in Mark 14:50-52 is Mark himself but taught in other times that he is someone who is not right in his mind.

since you cant explain things well in tagalog, we might as well continue. its not that i dont understand what you want to convey but sometimes the construction of your sentences seem to be out of context.
is it a sin to ask for your gender? i am just asking. what i am trying to say is for you to have at least support your allegations, claims and anything you say against our belief with verses from the bible! cant you notice my brethren here in this forum? they are bombarding you with biblical passages with regards to our belief. another one is you are always willing to question us but when it is the INC members asking you questions about Mr Sorianos belief and teachings from the bible you are ignoring it. dont you have the guts to at least uphold your credibility by answering these q's...

here are some of Mr Sorianos teachings and beliefs... now if you have the guts(since your brethren refrained from showing us biblical passages to support these) could you at least cite verses from the bible to prove that these teachings of mr soriano are biblical...(NOTE: YOU SAID YOU ARE A DEBATER!)

1. God has a butt
2. God told Adam that his bowel would harden
3. Adam named "uwak" (crow) as uwak because of its cry, waak, waak, waak
4. Mangos multiplied and became plentiful because an elephant played with its seed
5. The smoke of Cain's offering rolled over the land/earth
6. Christ has lust (may halay)
7. The naked man in Mark 14:50-52 is Mark himself but taught in other times that he is someone who is not right in his mind.

since you cant explain things well in tagalog, we might as well continue. its not that i dont understand what you want to convey but sometimes the construction of your sentences seem to be out of context.
is it a sin to ask for your gender? i am just asking. what i am trying to say is for you to have at least support your allegations, claims and anything you say against our belief with verses from the bible! cant you notice my brethren here in this forum? they are bombarding you with biblical passages with regards to our belief. another one is you are always willing to question us but when it is the INC members asking you questions about Mr Sorianos belief and teachings from the bible you are ignoring it. dont you have the guts to at least uphold your credibility by answering these q's...

here are some of Mr Sorianos teachings and beliefs... now if you have the guts(since your brethren refrained from showing us biblical passages to support these) could you at least cite verses from the bible to prove that these teachings of mr soriano are biblical...(NOTE: YOU SAID YOU ARE A DEBATER!)

1. God has a butt
2. God told Adam that his bowel would harden
3. Adam named "uwak" (crow) as uwak because of its cry, waak, waak, waak
4. Mangos multiplied and became plentiful because an elephant played with its seed
5. The smoke of Cain's offering rolled over the land/earth
6. Christ has lust (may halay)
7. The naked man in Mark 14:50-52 is Mark himself but taught in other times that he is someone who is not right in his mind.