Just a reminder to all Christians and Evangelists:
Who are you all to wave your fingers? People are not stupid for this kinds of matter. Every
discussions held in between internet sites and forums are all lame. Neither do I provoke the
existence of it. But let me say, it is like hidding behind your Mother's pants. It is sad to
know how CHURCH became to be a negative acknowledgement of business politics.
I am very ashamed about how Iglesia ni Cristo by Felix Manalo and Iglesia ng Dios by Eli
Soriano has been going on right now.It irritates me.I guess I am not the only one. Let me
say to both members, DO A GOOD THING ABOUT HISTORY!! go on and pick up your phones. Stop
quarreling and parrying about a piece of small gem. Because for us, we think both of you
held to a conspiracy of war. Who do you think suffers more? Believers or Non-believers? Who
takes advantage? Who does not? Who benefits?
Therefore in Conclusion: STOP RUNNING AROUND THE BUSHES and finish the war you all created.
This a instinctively a WAR indeed. A war of religion, "HOLY WAR" let me say.
We have Studied the past and the history. We don't wan't it to happen again. NO more
bloodshed because of this stupid schism.
Why won't you both have a decent debate, in front of a crowd and even in TV or whatever just
as long you both talk at the same moment in history, now with a phone in all your mouth so
every people can hear.
Remember this, People are seekers of truth. And so we are waiting for Iglesia ni Cristo by
Manalo and Iglesia ng Dios by Eli Soriano for whoever there representatives would be to do
an OPEN DEBATE regarding their beliefs in the bible for us to know who we should really
believe. FORUMS, WEBSITES and BLOGS is not enough for this kind of war.
Go ahead and have a debate LIVE VIA SATELLITE around the globe. And after that we'll publish
that in magazines and media. If you think you are both good, let us come on and JOIN this
mass debate.
SO AGAIN, INC and ADD pls face each other and have a one on one or even a panel or whatever
to have an open DEBATE weekly to stop this war. YOu know why we should do this? because both
of you is already creating business out of it. Business is good but your kind of business is
mixed with bad politics.And if this war never ends, Non-believers will still be
non-believers. So in other words, THIS IS ALL USELESS if INC is non responsive between ADD's
call for a duel, a DEBATE once and for all.
If it really won't happen, I think ADD did not made their best, and INC remains LIMP. In
filipino, MGA INUTIL all of you.
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You are not the first one to say these words, and like what you said you are not the only one who get irritated by what’s happening right now, but this I tell you these are all temporary until Eliseo F. Soriano faces the challenge that he himself leave to the INC, a debate. Again it is the ADD who’s not facing the INC and not the other way around. But until then in the process, both Believers and Non-believers take Advantage, benefited and some became lost most if not all of them are the ADD who realizes the whole meaning of having these Forums. You can say that “discussions held in between internet sites and forums are all lame” but this is what’s happening since Eliseo F. Soriano refuses to answer his 700+ (and counting) Contradictions of Statements, Teaching and Doctrines… he left his members do the answering for him which yielded another contradiction.
My job here personally is not for Bloodshed and I think everybody here would agree that all what we are doing here is to show to our friends (including you) who Eliseo F. Soriano really is and his Church. All those people who didn’t know how this thing started (specially you, by the way you post - no offense) will never understand what we are really doing here, try check your History, History of Eliseo F. Soriano’s Church, their program and how they malign the INC, for 20 years the INC didn’t response and now that they (INC Administration) take the offensive, they are going to shout FOUL?
But that’s ok, we understand. What I don’t understand are those people who are posting post like “Inutil” but never really understand what he is posting. J
TAMA SI BRO. L2S. KAKAAWA TALAGA ITONG MGA INC DETRACTORS, HINDI NILA ALAM ANG PINAGSASABI NILA. SA TOTOO LANG Sheriff_Atheist, SA IYO NAMAN TALAGA BUMABALANDRA YUNG SINASABI MONG "INUTIL" HEHE! YOU KNOW WHY? JUST CHECK OUT YUNG THREAD NA BINUKSAN NI KIRA PARA SA IYO, AT MALALAMAN MO KUNG BAKIT. HEHE..
ok cool. so inapi ng ADD ang INC for 20years, then they took the offensive tpos nagalit ADD.
e db sabi s bible pg binato k ng bato, batuhin mo ng tinapay?
so they fired back. i remember seeing a show n nagsasalita si eli soriano tpos biglang may animation n pra syang binabaril. great job by INC. i heard a lot of accusations being thrown at ADD as well. but the thing is, ung saying nga n batuhin mo ng tinapay. But instead they even started a show pra lng kay eli haha. To discredit the guy and make him look really bad. Tingin ko hindi nman tinapay un eh, bato rin hehe.
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The audience never play the act. That's the reason why they pay for the play. I am not into fight or something Sir.An actor and an actress are the ones who acts in a play, they memorize lines, emote and re enacts the play.I am not the actor, I am just observing the matter upon my perception.Okay, I am one of those audience. Now, the audience never ever parts in plays except if it a carnival show or a magic show, We are just here to observe and watch.
Sometimes, stupid questions beggets stupid answers.
But let me tell you this sir, upright and frankly, SIR, I AM NOT FIGHTING FOR ANYTHING, I AM GIVING A COMMENT. I am just exercising my rights as an audience. An audience which 2 religions of SCHISM created and plays. We all know everything must end right? But I am just wonderin when all of your stories end. It's dragging me completely already. Pls give conclusions my dear believers.
I hope somebody do comment likewise upon what I have stated on my previous page.
I hope I did answer your question correctly. If not, pls read this again:
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Just a reminder to all Christians and Evangelists:
Who are you all to wave your fingers? People are not stupid for this kinds of matters. Every
discussions held in between internet sites and forums are all lame. Neither do I provoke the
existence of it. But let me say, it is like hidding behind your Mother's pants. It is sad to
know how CHURCH became to be a negative acknowledgement of business politics.
I am very ashamed about how Iglesia ni Cristo by Felix Manalo and Iglesia ng Dios by Eli
Soriano has been going on right now.It irritates me.I guess I am not the only one. Let me
say to both members, DO A GOOD THING ABOUT HISTORY!! go on and pick up your phones. Stop
quarreling and parrying about a piece of small gem. Because for us, we think both of you
held to a conspiracy of war. Who do you think suffers more? Believers or Non-believers? Who
takes advantage? Who does not? Who benefits?
Therefore in Conclusion: STOP RUNNING AROUND THE BUSHES and finish the war you all created.
This a instinctively a WAR indeed. A war of religion, "HOLY WAR" let me say.
We have Studied the past and the history. We don't wan't it to happen again. NO more
bloodshed because of this stupid schism.
Why won't you both have a decent debate, in front of a crowd and even in TV or whatever just
as long you both talk at the same moment in history, now with a phone in all your mouth so
every people can hear.
Remember this, People are seekers of truth. And so we are waiting for Iglesia ni Cristo by
Manalo and Iglesia ng Dios by Eli Soriano for whoever there representatives would be to do
an OPEN DEBATE regarding their beliefs in the bible for us to know who we should really
believe. FORUMS, WEBSITES and BLOGS is not enough for this kind of war.
Go ahead and have a debate LIVE VIA SATELLITE around the globe. And after that we'll publish
that in magazines and media. If you think you are both good, let us come on and JOIN this
mass debate.
SO AGAIN, INC and ADD pls face each other and have a one on one or even a panel or whatever
to have an open DEBATE weekly to stop this war. YOu know why we should do this? because both
of you is already creating business out of it. Business is good but your kind of business is
mixed with bad politics.And if this war never ends, Non-believers will still be
non-believers. So in other words, THIS IS ALL USELESS if INC is non responsive between ADD's
call for a duel, a DEBATE once and for all.
If it really won't happen, I think ADD did not made their best, and INC remains LIMP. In
filipino dialect, MGA INUTIL all of you.
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SO WHO SHOULD WIN? IGLESIA NI CRISTO by Manalo or IGLESIA NG DIYOS by Eliseo Soriano?
We know we always have one HERO at the end of the play,right? Who wins? Who lose? Or is there another religion coming out explaining how the 3 dumplings fit in one rice box just like the Catholics believed,right?
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I THOUGHT YOU WERE NOT SIDING WITH THE ADDs. SO HOW COME YOU WERE HYPNOTIZED (SORRY FOR THE WORD) BY THEIR BLABBERINGS THAT ALLEGEDLY THE INC MINISTERS CAN'T ENGAGE IN A DEBATE WITH ADD MINISTERS-IN-CHARGE AND WORKERS?
--MU LA FLAGA, STRIKE GUNDAM PILOT
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So you think I'm into ADD's side.. okay fine...if that is what you believes then fine... But I am just an observer alright...I've been watching this ANG TAMANG DAAN...and what did I freaking get??? All about scrutinizing Soriano... Now I have watch this ANG DATING DAAN... they something like ITANONG MO KAY SORIANO, Bibliya ang Sasagot program....which is really GOOD because they have a program to answer every people's question. Now that is something Helpful.. AGAIN THIS IS JUST AN OBSERVATION okay.. i am not into ADD's SIDE..remember I am an Atheist...
I am just UPSET because ANG TAMANG DAAN wasted my time,TIME IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US..we are all aging, we can't stop that.
Now as my conclusion for you SIR, IF YOU ARE IN THE SIDE OF ANG TAMANG DAAAN, why won't you go into ADD's ITANONG MO KAY SORIANO program and ask for a debate ON-THE-SPOT!! take that ON-THE-SPOT program of Itanong mo Kay Soriano.. Bring your own CAMERA if you like.
(TRIVIA: Some Atheist believes that there is really a creator, BUT THEY DON'T CONSIDER IT AS GOD).
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Just wondering, why won't ANG TAMANG DAAN open up it's program to people. Why won't that program do something resourceful and benificial to people. All they freakin do is scrutinize ANG DATING DAAN.They are missing a lot of time instead answering all what people seek... People have a lot of questions, may it be believers or non-believers. Sometimes I reckon who really is INUTIL. And who really is GAY. I Wish there would be a program in ANG TAMANG DAAN which encompasses to answer all people's questions regarding beliefs. Something like what ANG DATING DAAN is doing..."Itanong mo kay Soriano,Bibliya ang Sasagot!" thing... I think ANG TAMANG DAAN should have that kind of program too, because that is very helpful for the stupid people of the Philippines but it really helps. Atleast now we know why Ang Dating Daan still scores in people's heart. But not being Biased, Just making an observation. SO IF ANG TAMANG DAAN CLAIMS TO BE "THE MAN OF THE DAY" COME ON AND OPEN UP YOUR FREAKSHOW PROGRAM>>>ITANONG MO SA IGLESIA NI KRISTO PROGRAM!!! Now I am Still wondering? Who is the real man and the real gay? Or does it really matter,
I just want my questions answered....I don't care if youre a f**K!NG gay..
NOW WHO IS MAS-INUTIL AGAIN??
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You are right in the part na… “Pagbinato ka ng Bato, Batuhin mo ng Tinapay”. But I think you didn’t understand what’s really happening, I have some Questions for you. Have you ever watch the INC Program “Ang Tamang Daan” full length on a regular basis? How were you able to judge that it was the same (bato rin) as the program of Eliseo F. Soriano does the INC stoop to Eliseo F. Soriano’s level that curses, malign, accused someone without any solid basis? How’s your Religious inclination?
The ATD Program (show?) is not just for Eliseo F. Soriano ONLY, it was for the ADD turned MCGI to give them hope. It was actually discussion of the accusations made by Eliseo F. Soriano Group, the INC answers those to prove that those are not-true and the other part is to “Expose” Eliseo F. Soriano, and never to discredit the guy and make him really bad. (Because he’s one already) And for the reference here’s Eliseo F. Soriano’s challenge… maybe you want to listen to him.
Eli Soriano: "Ngayon, kung sasabihin 'nyomeron din akong malieh di' i-expose 'nyo rin, ipakita ninyo. I'm ready to face anybody" - Link!
Is it “Inutil” if you are going to answer all the accusations against you?
Is it “Inutil” if you show the truth and let the public knows it?
Is it “Inutil” to show your concern to those who are misinformed and show the right path?
We don’t know each other and I don’t have anything against you, but you should have think twice or research more before you have clicked the “Post Now” button.
Yup, I know ANG TAMANG DAAN is an expose to CRUCIFY ELISEO SORIANO and his Church Iglesia ng Diyos Kay Christo Hesus, right?Actually that is good, yeah I understand that ..but the problem is, INC is the only ones who benefits in that show....Let me tell you L2S a fact...Iglesia Ni Kristo is not the only one who watches Ang Tamang Daan,so stop acting we're not watching it, ACTUALLY YOU WASTED ANOTHER 2 HOURS OF MY TIME LAST THURSDAY..okay... SO WHAT IF YOU EXPOSE SORIANO'S EVILNESS AND STUPIDNESS>> WHO THA FCUK CARES..right? What people want is the truth... WHY WON'T IGLESIA NI KRISTO HAVE AN OPEN PROGRAM FOR ALL OF US.. Like ITANONG MO SA IGLESIA NI KRISTO program...just a suggestion.
To L2S, again let me remind you about the topic INUTIL.
So why won't IGLESIA NI KRISTO create a program that is more beneficial than ANG TAMANG DAAN?? You know sometimes I Hate Soriano too,ATD don't need to do a lot of EXPOSE for it,over and over again, Don't you think they are just wasting their time? Instead helping CONFUSED SOULS by answering their questions,ATD is doing a lot of EXPOSE for a single piece of SH!T.
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Why didn’t you say what you want in the First place before nagging “Inutil”? Your “wondering” have already been answered many time before, well maybe you haven’t check the history in this forum.
Why are you asking for the ATD to open up its program? Didn’t you think that it’s not resourceful enough and beneficial enough for the people? Maybe for an atheist like but for the majority of the people… I think it was more than resourceful and beneficial; again the program is about the INC and the ADD. Have you ever asked “Eat Bulaga” or “Wowawee” to change its program because they are not following the format of the other programs? How about the contents of the “News” have you ever got the change to pick what you want to see or hear?
Maybe you have to check your motives in watching you’re so called FREAKSHOW, because if you are looking for salvation or at least looking for the truth you will not end up being your self. And the sad part is if you are watching the Ang Tamang Daan, you are not listening not even reading the text moving from right to left at the bottom of the screen, which tells you what to do just in case you have some QUESTIONS or COMMENTS.
Now I can frankly say that you are the “INUTIL”. My post for you ends here!
Re: Truth or Consequence (Login Sheriff_Atheist) 2
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January 20 2007, 7:49 AM
Is it “Inutil” if you are going to answer all the accusations against you? YES. If you answer 1 + 1 = 10.
Unless you discovered 1 is = to 5.
YES it is inutil if you don't say 1 = 5 at the same time of instructions before you answer it. You two Churches needs a debate in the same moment at the same time WITH A PANEL A JURY AND AN AUDIENCE.
Is it “Inutil” if you show the truth and let the public knows it?YES, Again you are ridiculuous L2S. We'll to tell you frankly YOU NEED AUTHENTIC EVDENCES to pass over the JURY or to THE JUDGE so AUDIENCE can see it,FIRM EVIDENCES. Now what is happening in ATD is THEY ARE THE JURY, THEY ARE THE JUDGE,THEY ARE SHERIFF AND THEY ARE THE DEPUTY... that makes no sense..what are you? THE LAW?
Is it “Inutil” to show your concern to those who are misinformed and show the right path? YES. Pls don't hide behind your mother's pants. Don't wash your hands just like Pontius Pilate did.. WE ALL KNOW INC is just clearing their name for the accusations Soriano said..Misinformed you say? who? the majority don't care about your fight with 'em.That is your peronal debating politics with 'em not ours. WHAT WE DO CARE IS YOUR TEACHINGS...to compare both in one single arena.
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Re: Truth or Consequence (Login Sheriff_Atheist) 2
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January 20 2007, 7:50 AM
NOW THAT IS NOT MY INTENTIONS IN POSTING THIS FORUM... i just think ATD And ADD is already wasting a lot of time.as i have said all this kind of things IRRAITATES us.JUST ARRANGE A PEACEFUL DEBATE WITH THE OPPOSITION period...If there is a way there is a way....L2S think twice then and don't blame the audience for critizing the freakshow y'all created.
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hehehe.. so ur wasting ur time huh? then why keep on posting at this forum.. and why keep on watching ANG TAMANG DAAN? if this forum and ATD doesn't satisfy you.. just go on with ur life.. BAKIT APEKTADO KANG MASYADO? u'v said that ur an atheist.. then why on earth ur spending ur time in a forum like this..
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Re: Truth or Consequence (Login Sheriff_Atheist) 2
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January 20 2007, 8:27 AM
FROM LS2:
Why are you asking for the ATD to open up its program? Didn’t you think that it’s not resourceful enough and beneficial enough for the people? Maybe for an atheist like but for the majority of the people… I think it was more than resourceful and beneficial; again the program is about the INC and the ADD. Have you ever asked “Eat Bulaga” or “Wowawee” to change its program because they are not following the format of the other programs? How about the contents of the “News” have you ever got the change to pick what you want to see or hear?
ANSWER:
Why are you asking for the ATD to open up its program? Didn’t you think that it’s not resourceful enough and beneficial enough for the people? THE ANSWER IS NO.
First and foremost... ATD don't have a question and answer program which is very beneficial, NOW youre claiming that yes they do have but it's in TEXT and MESSAGING forum style, well to tell you honestly NOT EVERYONE HAS A CELLPHONE...Availability is all that the majority needs..don't teach me on how MAJORITY can be educated...Hypocrisy aside, this is the truth..HINDI LAHAT NG PILIPINO MAY CELLPHONE para magtext. That is rediculous to say that you have an answer and question program thru TEXT MESSAGING.
just a simple question: Do you think text Messaging is FORMAL enough to answer all the questions we have? if the answer is yes, I THINK THERE IS NO NEED TO GO TO SCHOOL AND WRITE BOOKS .. no more press release offering from the presidential floor, JUST TEXT: MEDIA & GOVERNEMENT<space>PRESIDENT GLORIA<space>INTENTIONS OF PRESS RELEASE<questions & comments> then send to 354408951
LS2 stop kidding me.
hahahaha.
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As i have said, It's just a waste of time... but iam not pertaining about this forum, I am pertaining about the "HOLY WARS" which is I am affected.
Unlike L2S, he told me he don't know me..well PRETTY I know you.Just as well I know everybody on this forum. YOU ALL A PART OF YOUR BRAIN as you write in this forum and SPEAK OUT. This is not a waste of time. I enjoy it. But what iam not enjoying is ATD and ADD wars. It's like Star Wars and all those kinds of politics.
It is not a waste of time TO WRITE AND SAY ANYTHING that is coming out of your brain. Specially to do a comment on a DAY-TO-DAY life you see ON THE TV, you hear on THE RADIO and FROM THE PEOPLE THAT SURROUNDS YOU...you know why? BECAUSE YOU ARE A PERSON who emotes, who think and who eat with the world.
Now tell me pretty, why on earth do I write in this forum?? Am I asking for answers or Am i wanting to be heard?
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Re: Truth or Consequence (Login Sheriff_Atheist) 2
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January 20 2007, 10:23 AM
Truth shall prevail
Sir,
Am just wondering whats on you mind, re: ATD EXPOSITION and into you BELIEFS, posted below are few questions, if you don’t mind sir,
1. do you think ATD are telling the truth, in EXPOSING the wrong teaching of EFS?
2. if yes, then is it stupidity to condemn them for telling the truth?
3. if not, then who’s stupid?
4. you sez, that only the INC benefits the program, then why more and more people from different religions are joining the said religious group? Maybe you eyes are “inutil” enough seeing only what you want to see, are they?(sorry for using your terms)
5. is it true that ATD & ADD programs irritates you, then why are you keep on coming back? What are you up to anyway, sir?
6. if you find yourself feeding the same thing you sez waste and irritating then, can you give us reason/s, not to call you stupid?
7. Why do you think people, speaks for the truth, listens for the truth and need to know the truth? Is that for the stupidity purposes that you are stressing out? Why are you here? What do you want to know? Truth or the things you only want to hear? Again who’s stupid?
8. Sir I understand that you want to bring this debate to an end, am telling you sir, your not the only one, but if you find yourself impatient waiting the said groups settlement, I guess that is a personality stupid traits. Isn’t it? respect...walk
9. Sir, I respected your stand for denying the existence of GOD, but who do you think the creator of heaven and earth?
10. What are your proofs? Please. we are glad to hear it from you
11. And lastly, I just wanted to know, what are you purpose in life?
Sir if you find my question irritating and insignificant to the issue that you raised up, I apologize just wanted to know the TRUTH perhaps it will beneficial to the readers, thank you very much.
"my sheep hear my voice, and i know them, and they know me" (john 10:27)
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napakarami mong post na di malaman kung san patungo. di ko alam kung naggugulo ka lang o talagang may concern ka sa mga nakikita mo at naoobserbahan sa forum na ito. baka pwede naman bago ka magpost uli ng iba ay pumirmi ka muna sandali para sagutin ang mga katanungan sayo ni bro. alien. hintayin namin sagot mo...
Ito ay sapagkat sa aking kalooban, ako ay lubos na nalulugod sa kautusan ng Diyos.(roma 7:22)
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RE:Inutil
January 20 2007 at 7:48 AM
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Is it “Inutil” if you are going to answer all the accusations against you? YES. If you answer 1 + 1 = 10.
Unless you discovered 1 is = to 5.
YES it is inutil if you don't say 1 = 5 at the same time the instructions are laid before you answer it. You two Churches needs a debate in the same moment at the same time WITH A PANEL A JURY AND AN AUDIENCE.
Is it “Inutil” if you show the truth and let the public knows it?YES, Again you are ridiculuous L2S. We'll to tell you frankly YOU NEED AUTHENTIC EVIDENCES to pass over the JURY or to THE JUDGE so AUDIENCE can see it,FIRM EVIDENCES. Now what is happening in ATD is THEY ARE THE JURY, THEY ARE THE JUDGE,THEY ARE SHERIFF AND THEY ARE THE DEPUTY... that makes no sense..what are you? THE LAW?THE TRUTH?
Is it “Inutil” to show your concern to those who are misinformed and show the right path? YES. Pls don't hide behind your mother's pants. Don't wash your hands just like Pontius Pilate did.. WE ALL KNOW INC is just clearing their name for the accusations Soriano said..Misinformed you say? who? the majority don't care about your fight with 'em.That is your peronal debating politics with 'em not ours. WHAT WE DO CARE IS YOUR TEACHINGS...to compare both in one single arena.
WHO ARE YOU TO WAVE YOUR FINGERS AND TELL US YOUR BETTER THAN THEM... PROVE IT ON A LIVE DEBATE. Mr. Sheriff Atheist,
inilipat ko lang po dito ang nilalaman ng thread na binuksan niyo.
Ipagpaumanhin po ninyo sana kung sasabihin kong walang sinuman ang pwedeng pumigil sa amin na mag-expose sa mga maling aral ni Eli Soriano na ipinunla sa kanyang mga niyembro, sapagkat ito po ang tunay na diwa ng forum na ito.
Sheriff_Atheist
(Login Sheriff_Atheist) Re: sheriff atheist sagutin mo ang tanong ni alien
No score for this post January 21 2007, 6:34 AM
Who's brother Alien?? And what is the question? Baka ito po ang tinutukoy niya:
Anonymous
(Login eli-yen) Re: Truth or Consequence (Login Sheriff_Atheist) 2
No score for this post January 20 2007, 10:23 AM
Truth shall prevail
Sir,
Am just wondering whats on you mind, re: ATD EXPOSITION and into you BELIEFS, posted below are few questions, if you don’t mind sir,
1. do you think ATD are telling the truth, in EXPOSING the wrong teaching of EFS?
2. if yes, then is it stupidity to condemn them for telling the truth?
3. if not, then who’s stupid?
4. you sez, that only the INC benefits the program, then why more and more people from different religions are joining the said religious group? Maybe you eyes are “inutil” enough seeing only what you want to see, are they?(sorry for using your terms)
5. is it true that ATD & ADD programs irritates you, then why are you keep on coming back? What are you up to anyway, sir?
6. if you find yourself feeding the same thing you sez waste and irritating then, can you give us reason/s, not to call you stupid?
7. Why do you think people, speaks for the truth, listens for the truth and need to know the truth? Is that for the stupidity purposes that you are stressing out? Why are you here? What do you want to know? Truth or the things you only want to hear? Again who’s stupid?
8. Sir I understand that you want to bring this debate to an end, am telling you sir, your not the only one, but if you find yourself impatient waiting the said groups settlement, I guess that is a personality stupid traits. Isn’t it? respect...walk
9. Sir, I respected your stand for denying the existence of GOD, but who do you think the creator of heaven and earth?
10. What are your proofs? Please. we are glad to hear it from you
11. And lastly, I just wanted to know, what are you purpose in life?
Sir if you find my question irritating and insignificant to the issue that you raised up, I apologize just wanted to know the TRUTH perhaps it will beneficial to the readers, thank you very much.
Don't worry, I have nothing against this forum.
What I am worried is the programs ATD has and what ADD has.
I LOVE FORUMS... I LIKE EACH AND EVERYONE TO CONTINUE DOING FORUMS.I appreciate every every ideas in here.But remember the purpose that you have. VISUALIZE AND BE OPEN TO CRITICISM.
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Thank you for taking your time to write.
Thank you for giving an intelligent questions.
But I apologize for being nosy about these forum.
The reason is essential,but i think we should be happy that an outsider writes in a forum.
Allow me to answer your questions one by one:
1. do you think ATD are telling the truth, in EXPOSING the wrong teaching of EFS? YES.
Reason: I know the intentions behind the truth.
2. if yes, then is it stupidity to condemn them for telling the truth? NO, because that is what you believes in.You can tell the truth but it's still the MAJORITY who decides. If you want you can make a poll for voters who believes and does not believes in ATD.
3. if not, then who’s stupid? No one is stupid,but some TV PROGRAMS are. I respect everyone AS A PERSON, I Just find something<LIKE A MISSING PART> is incapable of doing actions regarding the LIVE DEBATE.
Debate is very important. Not only for philisophers and historians, but for the whole interests of truth which behelds the LAW.
4. you sez, that only the INC benefits the program, then why more and more people from different religions are joining the said religious group? Maybe you eyes are “inutil” enough seeing only what you want to see, are they?(sorry for using your terms) No comment regarding my eyes is INUTIL or so. Haha. But pls keep in my mind that ADD is also having more and more people. If you want proof, go in one of their locals, and ask for a statistic report.
5. is it true that ATD & ADD programs irritates you, then why are you keep on coming back? What are you up to anyway, sir? I am on this forum. I LOVE FORUMS.Its like a book you read Chapters from chapter, verse per verse. The good thing is, it just don't come from one author, but from the whole society of people.
I WATCH ATD & ADD but that doesn't mean that i don't watch other TV programs. It just seems to be that I AM INTERESTED TO THE THING THAT IRRITATES YOU. Just like my earwax, I won't notice them until it irritates me.And I became interested with my earwax, the last thing i remember is I used the end of my ballpen to wipe my inside ear and scratch the earwax away. IT SATISFIES ME. I feel like i am asking, what is more relaxing than having a clean ear.
6. if you find yourself feeding the same thing you sez waste and irritating then, can you give us reason/s, not to call you stupid?Well you can call me stupid if you want. THAT IS YOUR RIGHT...to say opinions without walls and boxes. Don't worry, I have nothing against this forum.
What I am worried is the programs ATD has and what ADD has.
I LOVE FORUMS... I LIKE EACH AND EVERYONE TO CONTINUE DOING FORUMS.I appreciate every ideas in here.But remember the purpose that you have. VISUALIZE AND BE OPEN TO CRITICISM.
7. Why do you think people, speaks for the truth, listens for the truth and need to know the truth? Is that for the stupidity purposes that you are stressing out? Why are you here? What do you want to know? Truth or the things you only want to hear? Again who’s stupid? Again I admit being STUPID, and i pologize for that, I AM STUPID BECAUSE UP UNTIL THIS TIME YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND ME. Try to imagine a teacher who keeps on talking but you can't understand it,you you start to think that the teacher is talking about revolution while its not, and on the end of the lecture a quiz was given, and you wrote an essay about revolution which has nothing to do with the teacher's lecture, IT ENDS UP THAT THE TEACHER IS STUPID BEING "INUTIL" THAT HIS OR HER STUDENT CAN'T UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING ON THE LECTURE..the reason why he is stupid, he or she failed to DO HIS/HER most/best to teach his/her lesson so that everyone can pass her/his exam. THAT IS YOUR RIGHT...to say opinions without walls and boxes. Don't worry, I have nothing against this forum.
What I am worried is the programs ATD has and what ADD has.
I LOVE FORUMS... I LIKE EACH AND EVERYONE TO CONTINUE DOING FORUMS.I appreciate every ideas in here.But remember the purpose that you have. VISUALIZE AND BE OPEN TO CRITICISM.
8. Sir I understand that you want to bring this debate to an end, am telling you sir, your not the only one, but if you find yourself impatient waiting the said groups settlement, I guess that is a personality stupid traits. Isn’t it? respect...walk.. YES I UNDERSTAND YOUR PERCEPTION OF BEING STUPID, impatient is not one of them, sorry. Study your dictionary Sir.Talking about traits and everything about stupidity... ACTUALLY IT IS ALL YOUR RIGHT TO CALL ANYONE BEING STUPID, IT WON'T HURT AT ALL.Because that is the TRUTH about being stupid. So if i am stupid will you ask me a question? You see my point in there.. I CALLED YOU ALSO A STUPID BECAUSE 1.Because I can 2.Because I want
Now that doesn't mean that is the TRUTH. it may be or maybe not. BUt we are not here in this forum to talk about my traits. Ridiculous. I am just wondering what is taking ATD and ADD so long to have a single debate?? IS it a sin to Wonder?
9. Sir, I respected your stand for denying the existence of GOD, but who do you think the creator of heaven and earth? A divine supernatural alien!!! Trivia: god is a term which you apply to worship and consider a supreme being.
And so what is more supreme than human beings? A god? Hell no! Yes this is my belief, so why are you asking about my belief again?? I am the first to throw questions and i am being answered by questions..hehehehe. No worries that is quite intelligent.
The fact is, I really don't believe in the word "GOD", I believe somebody has created us, may it be the divine theory,big bang theory or what ever..I just don't care, the reason? because I AM ALREADY HERE so why won't I just respect walk (as you have said)and talk? good thing there is a forum to tell my opinions.
10. What are your proofs? Please. we are glad to hear it from you..
a proofs for what? A "WALA",because you think for atheist literary means "WALANG DIYOS"?? eh wala nga eh, di wala, bat naghahanap ng proofs, sinong tanga? Sorry, IM JUST KIDDING..hehehe
the truth about me into this ATHEIST thing is, I grew as an atheist but to consider an antitheism is my really reason for belief.
I don't encourage you to be an atheist. I just posted a comment of what i think of about ATD and ADD.
I don't encourage you to be an atheist. I just posted a comment of what i think of about ATD and ADD.
I don't encourage you to be an atheist. I just posted a comment of what i think of about ATD and ADD.
I don't encourage you to be an atheist. I just posted a comment of what i think of about ATD and ADD.
I don't encourage you to be an atheist. I just posted a comment of what i think of about ATD and ADD.
11. And lastly, I just wanted to know, what are you purpose in life? It's personal... but if you like I can write you a book..hehehe..
Maybe you can revise this question. Maybe your asking about the purpose of this forum that I've open.
Don't worry, I have nothing against this forum.
What I am worried is the programs ATD has and what ADD has.
I LOVE FORUMS... I LIKE EACH AND EVERYONE TO CONTINUE DOING FORUMS.I appreciate every ideas in here.But remember the purpose that you have. VISUALIZE AND BE OPEN TO CRITICISM.
Sir if you find my question irritating and insignificant to the issue that you raised up, I apologize just wanted to know the TRUTH perhaps it will beneficial to the readers, thank you very much.
ANSWER: No actually it is not, it's an exercise of our brain. Both connotizing in one topic. Good quality and values of MORALITY..that is wht most of all is important.
"my sheep hear my voice, and i know them, and they know me" (john 10:27)
"Yes, i hear you, but i didn't listen" (bart simpson "The Simpsons")
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thank you very much for answering my questions, i can see clearly now that were heading to nowhere, it seems like you caught in the middle and undetermined to your purpose. i have no further questions to ask, for it might draw readers attention away to what really the purpose of this forum, anyway you dont even have a basis for your claim. maybe you can say what you want but all we need is a proof. kami meron at madaming patotoo sa mga aral tinitindigan namin, may mga gusto pa sana akong e-question eh, mga bagay na pinaniniwallan mo sa mga ADD, pero sa palagay ko hearsay lang naman ang nalalaman mo, why dont you pick one of what we exposed and prove to us once in for all that we are wrong. lam mo minsan sayang ang talino kung naniniwala ka sa mga bagay na di mo naman kayang patunayan, kagaya ng walang DIOS at merong alien according to you.(sa ngayon isang alien lang ang hinahanap ko yung hindi citizen ng isang bansa subalit naroon at nagtatago sa di maipaliwanag na dahilan).
again we are not here to follow orders from any outsiders but to answer EFS dare. your not the first who suggested/commented/raised such issue, and if you wanna know more about it, read more its all in here.
am sorry but your post are only good-for-nothing.
sad but true.
"my sheep hear my voice, and i know them, and they know me" (john 10:27)
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i get ur point that eli said a lot of bad stuff about INC. so ibig mong sabihin n ok lng ung mga moment n pinapakita si soriano n kunwari eh binabaril sya tpos nababasag ung screen? so u mean na it's ok gumanti sa knya by proving him wrong by recording every wrong that he's said, even though ganun rin ang ginagawa nia sa inyo? db un ang layunin nia, ang atakihin ang mga mali nio at ipaalam s mga tao, pero prang gnun din ang gngawa nio. that's what im trying to say by mentioning the quote batuhin nio ng tinapay.. i dont care if soriano said that it's ok to expose him, but the bible that ur following says that u should return the favor with kindness, not the same stuff that their spewing.
so in short, instead of returning the favor with kindness, what happened was INC created a show especially for soriano, telling how evil, cruel, and how much of a liar he is. gets?
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I just don't get why catholics (specially the less unfortunate ones) get STO.NINOS in their house instead of buying more important things in their house...just noticed it when I went into COPAR movement in Cainta rizal, doing some charity works..could they just put hypocrisy aside for the meantime , before anything else? And for th Catholic churches, why won't the pope totally broadcast to stop buying STO.NINO's and instead instruct catholics to buy something to put on their plate so to keep their children HEALTHY....now i think that would produce a mayhem...hehehehe...do anyone have any other ideas on how to help catholics?
I think these are some reasons why we never get up on a 3rd world country level...
And just another idea, this concerns all CHURCH'S MEMBERS, why won't you just give your donations directly to the poor people instead of donating it to the church...just wondering..do you really need a church? IF your only main purpose is to help others and not think about oneself's salvation for the meantime, church won't be necessary at all
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Don't worry, I have nothing against this forum.
What I am worried is the programs ATD has and what ADD has.
I LOVE FORUMS... I LIKE EACH AND EVERYONE TO CONTINUE DOING FORUMS.I appreciate every ideas in here.But remember the purpose that you have. VISUALIZE AND BE OPEN TO CRITICISM.
BE OPEN TO CRITICISM.
BE OPEN TO CRITICISM.
BE OPEN TO CRITICISM.
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A LETTER OF APOLOGY:
I apologize to anyone on this forum who hated my opinions:
I guess I really don't have a purpose to help INC and scrutinize ADD and my topic is going nowhere,does creating a diversity to the real LAYUNIN of your forums which is to EXPOSE Eliseo Soriano's evil doings.
I apologize for giving and voicing out my opinions of what I think of the weaknesses of both parties.
I am good for nothing Inutil "CITIZEN" for sighting and voicing out (AGAIN) the real questions I do i have in m mind.
I apologize to eli-ven, because upto now he/she can't understand my REASON for opening a thread with a subject "INUTIL".
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I do apologize for asking who would win from both of you,
I apologize for asking who would win from this war,if it's ADD or ATD?
I do apologize because I guess it doesn't have a "PATUTUNGUHAN" to ask a simple question to a moronic one-sided forum.
I do apologize for asking who would win from both of you,
I apologize for asking who would win from this war,if it's ADD or ATD?
I do apologize because I guess it doesn't have a "PATUTUNGUHAN" to ask a simple question to a moronic one-sided forum.
I do apologize for asking who would win from both of you,
I apologize for asking who would win from this war,if it's ADD or ATD?
I do apologize because I guess it doesn't have a "PATUTUNGUHAN" to ask a simple question to a moronic one-sided forum.
I do apologize for asking who would win from both of you,
I apologize for asking who would win from this war,if it's ADD or ATD?
I do apologize because I guess it doesn't have a "PATUTUNGUHAN" to ask a simple question to a moronic one-sided forum.
I do apologize for asking who would win from both of you,
I apologize for asking who would win from this war,if it's ADD or ATD?
I do apologize because I guess it doesn't have a "PATUTUNGUHAN" to ask a simple question to a moronic one-sided forum.
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I DO APOLOGIZE FOR EXERCISING MY RIGHTS AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN.
I do apologize to everyone who thinks I am one of ADD's hardcore fanatics.
I apologize being an Atheist, whose not even concerned with GOD and it's religion and yet being very nosy about the topic of fundamentalist. I apologize for speaking my mind as an Atheist.
I apologize to all INC hardcore fanatics because I blew your forums and told the things an observer like me can see,
I apologize to ALL INC because I have hurt your feelings by asking your programs if it's INUTIL as well as your church.
I apologize also to ADDD because I have also questioned your program as "INUTIL" as well as your religion.
I apologize for SPEAKING THE TRUTH FROM OBSERVATION;I guess i have adopted it from my Grand ma and grandpa who is already dead as of this time. ( Granma and Grandapa I respect and love you)
I apologize for speaking a little louder than usual,cause i think you have heard this voices thousand times already and answered hundreds already but still not enough.
I apologize to interrupt your ONE-SIDED FORUM.
I apologize to interrupt your ONE-SIDED FORUM.
I apologize to interrupt your ONE-SIDED FORUM.
I apologize to interrupt your ONE-SIDED FORUM.
I apologize to interrupt your ONE-SIDED FORUM.
I do apologize for asking who would win from both of you,
I apologize for asking who would win from this war,if it's ADD or ATD?
I apologize to anyone whom I have offended and called stupid and INUTIL, because I think they really deserve it and I spoke a lot.
I apologize for calling ATD a FREAKSHOW because it really looks like it but the truth is it is just a propaganda to shut ELI SORIANO up against his "PARATANG" to INC.
BUT REMEMBER THIS: I WILL NOT STOP EXERCISING MY RIGHTS FOR EXPRESSING MY OPINIONS ON EACH AND EVERY FORUM I AM INTERESTED OF... you cannot stop me giving my insight for what I believe of, because after all, I KNOW YOU NEED ATTENTION and you need US the audience to let you know that you should continue your fight for truth even if it is not.
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Don't worry, I have nothing against this forum.
What I am worried is the programs ATD has and what ADD has.
I LOVE FORUMS... I LIKE EACH AND EVERYONE TO CONTINUE DOING FORUMS.I appreciate every ideas in here.But remember the purpose that you have. VISUALIZE AND BE OPEN TO CRITICISM.
BE OPEN TO CRITICISM.
BE OPEN TO CRITICISM.
BE OPEN TO CRITICISM.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
A LETTER OF APOLOGY:
I apologize to anyone on this forum who hated my opinions:
I guess I really don't have a purpose to help INC and scrutinize ADD and my topic is going nowhere,does creating a diversity to the real LAYUNIN of your forums which is to EXPOSE Eliseo Soriano's evil doings.
I apologize for giving and voicing out my opinions of what I think of the weaknesses of both parties.
I am good for nothing Inutil "CITIZEN" for sighting and voicing out (AGAIN) the real questions I do i have in m mind.
I apologize to eli-ven, because upto now he/she can't understand my REASON for opening a thread with a subject "INUTIL".
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I do apologize for asking who would win from both of you,
I apologize for asking who would win from this war,if it's ADD or ATD?
I do apologize because I guess it doesn't have a "PATUTUNGUHAN" to ask a simple question to a moronic one-sided forum.
I do apologize for asking who would win from both of you,
I apologize for asking who would win from this war,if it's ADD or ATD?
I do apologize because I guess it doesn't have a "PATUTUNGUHAN" to ask a simple question to a moronic one-sided forum.
I do apologize for asking who would win from both of you,
I apologize for asking who would win from this war,if it's ADD or ATD?
I do apologize because I guess it doesn't have a "PATUTUNGUHAN" to ask a simple question to a moronic one-sided forum.
I do apologize for asking who would win from both of you,
I apologize for asking who would win from this war,if it's ADD or ATD?
I do apologize because I guess it doesn't have a "PATUTUNGUHAN" to ask a simple question to a moronic one-sided forum.
I do apologize for asking who would win from both of you,
I apologize for asking who would win from this war,if it's ADD or ATD?
I do apologize because I guess it doesn't have a "PATUTUNGUHAN" to ask a simple question to a moronic one-sided forum.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I DO APOLOGIZE FOR EXERCISING MY RIGHTS AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN.
I do apologize to everyone who thinks I am one of ADD's hardcore fanatics.
I apologize being an Atheist, whose not even concerned with GOD and it's religion and yet being very nosy about the topic of fundamentalist. I apologize for speaking my mind as an Atheist.
I apologize to all INC hardcore fanatics because I blew your forums and told the things an observer like me can see,
I apologize to ALL INC because I have hurt your feelings by asking your programs if it's INUTIL as well as your church.
I apologize also to ADDD because I have also questioned your program as "INUTIL" as well as your religion.
I apologize for SPEAKING THE TRUTH FROM OBSERVATION;I guess i have adopted it from my Grand ma and grandpa who is already dead as of this time. ( Granma and Grandapa I respect and love you)
I apologize for speaking a little louder than usual,cause i think you have heard this voices thousand times already and answered hundreds already but still not enough.
I apologize to interrupt your ONE-SIDED FORUM.
I apologize to interrupt your ONE-SIDED FORUM.
I apologize to interrupt your ONE-SIDED FORUM.
I apologize to interrupt your ONE-SIDED FORUM.
I apologize to interrupt your ONE-SIDED FORUM.
I do apologize for asking who would win from both of you,
I apologize for asking who would win from this war,if it's ADD or ATD?
I apologize to anyone whom I have offended and called stupid and INUTIL, because I think they really deserve it and I spoke a lot.
I apologize for calling ATD a FREAKSHOW because it really looks like it but the truth is it is just a propaganda to shut ELI SORIANO up against his "PARATANG" to INC.
BUT REMEMBER THIS: I WILL NOT STOP EXERCISING MY RIGHTS FOR EXPRESSING MY OPINIONS ON EACH AND EVERY FORUM I AM INTERESTED OF... you cannot stop me giving my insight for what I believe of, because after all, I KNOW YOU NEED ATTENTION and you need US the audience to let you know that you should continue your fight for truth even if it is not.
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i get ur point that eli said a lot of bad stuff about INC. so ibig mong sabihin n ok lng ung mga moment n pinapakita si soriano n kunwari eh binabaril sya tpos nababasag ung screen? so u mean na it's ok gumanti sa knya by proving him wrong by recording every wrong that he's said, even though ganun rin ang ginagawa nia sa inyo? db un ang layunin nia, ang atakihin ang mga mali nio at ipaalam s mga tao, pero prang gnun din ang gngawa nio. that's what im trying to say by mentioning the quote batuhin nio ng tinapay.. i dont care if soriano said that it's ok to expose him, but the bible that ur following says that u should return the favor with kindness, not the same stuff that their spewing.
so in short, instead of returning the favor with kindness, what happened was INC created a show especially for soriano, telling how evil, cruel, and how much of a liar he is. gets?
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i get ur point that eli said a lot of bad stuff about INC. so ibig mong sabihin n ok lng ung mga moment n pinapakita si soriano n kunwari eh binabaril sya tpos nababasag ung screen? so u mean na it's ok gumanti sa knya by proving him wrong by recording every wrong that he's said, even though ganun rin ang ginagawa nia sa inyo? db un ang layunin nia, ang atakihin ang mga mali nio at ipaalam s mga tao, pero prang gnun din ang gngawa nio. that's what im trying to say by mentioning the quote batuhin nio ng tinapay.. i dont care if soriano said that it's ok to expose him, but the bible that ur following says that u should return the favor with kindness, not the same stuff that their spewing.
so in short, instead of returning the favor with kindness, what happened was INC created a show especially for soriano, telling how evil, cruel, and how much of a liar he is. gets?
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yes i've watched some ATD shows in full length.
i get ur point that eli said a lot of bad stuff about INC. so ibig mong sabihin n ok lng ung mga moment n pinapakita si soriano n kunwari eh binabaril sya tpos nababasag ung screen? so u mean na it's ok gumanti sa knya by proving him wrong by recording every wrong that he's said, even though ganun rin ang ginagawa nia sa inyo? db un ang layunin nia, ang atakihin ang mga mali nio at ipaalam s mga tao, pero prang gnun din ang gngawa nio. that's what im trying to say by mentioning the quote batuhin nio ng tinapay.. i dont care if soriano said that it's ok to expose him, but the bible that ur following says that u should return the favor with kindness, not the same stuff that their spewing.
so in short, instead of returning the favor with kindness, what happened was INC created a show especially for soriano, telling how evil, cruel, and how much of a liar he is. gets?
IPAGAPUMANHIN MO SANA PERO HINDI MO KAMI MAPIPIGILAN SA PAGBUBUNYAG SA MGA MALING ARAL NI ELI SORIANO. PINAGBIBIGYAN LANG NAMIN ANG HAMON NIYA NA I-EXPOSE ANG KANYANG MALING ARAL KUNG MAYROON.
HINDI KAMI PAPAYAG NA MAY MAKAHADLANG SA AMIN SA PAGSASAKATUPARANG NG DIWA NG FORUM NA ITO. WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE FIGHTING FOR. NAAAWA KAMI SA MGA ANG DATING DAAN MEMBERS NA HANGGANG SA MGA SANDALING ITO AY SARADO PA RIN ANG KANILANG ISIPAN.
KAYO PO SUPERPWET, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US - WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU FIGHTING FOR? PAKISAGOT LAMANG PO.
I'M HOPING NA WALANG KAYONG LAYUNIN NA PIGILAN ANG MGA ANG DATING DAAN MEMBERS NA GUSTO NANG UMALIS SA KANILANG SAMAHAN FROM DOING SO.
--ATHRUN ZALA, JUSTICE GUNDAM PILOT
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Sheriff Atheist - BUT REMEMBER THIS: I WILL NOT STOP EXERCISING MY RIGHTS FOR EXPRESSING MY OPINIONS ON EACH AND EVERY FORUM I AM INTERESTED OF... you cannot stop me giving my insight for what I believe of, because after all, I KNOW YOU NEED ATTENTION and you need US the audience to let you know that you should continue your fight for truth even if it is not.
DON'T WORRY, NO ONE'S GONNA STOP YOU FROM DOING SO, FOR AS LONG AS THE TRUE ESSENCE OF THIS FORUM (EXPOSING ELI SORIANO'S FALSE BELIEFS IN RESPONSE TO HIS CHALLENGE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANG DATING DAAN MEMBERS AND SUPPORTERS) IS NOT OVERSHADOWED.
--MU LA FLAGA, STRIKE GUNDAM PILOT
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Re: Yes, I've watched some ATD shows in Full Length
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January 23 2007, 10:18 AM
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Hindi mo pa sinasagot yung ilang mga tanong ko…
How were you able to judge that it was the same (bato rin) as the program of Eliseo F. Soriano does the INC stoop to Eliseo F. Soriano’s level that curses, malign, accused someone without any solid basis? How’s your Religious inclination?
You also said you get the point but I say you didn’t get all of it, here’s some of my Question to you… sana sagutin mo ng TOTOO. Eto yung part na hindi mo nakikita…
Nasaan si Eliseo F. Soriano at hindi niya sinasagot ang mga sinasabi mong atake para pasamain siya?
Does this mean na totoo iyon at ayaw nya lang pag-usapan? Example na yung Muslim Issue.
Meron na bang nasagot ang Panel ng ADD specially si Eliseo F. Soriano sa Kontrahan Blues niya?
Ilan out of 700+ and Counting?
Iyong sagot ng INC sa hamon nya sa Debate nasagot na ba nya? Pugutan ng Ulo sa Luneta o nagbibiro lang sya.
How about the one with Authorization Issue?
Salamat din sa pag-amin mo na Eliseo F. Soriano is throwing a lot of bad stuff against the INC. Yung sinasabi mong binaril at nabasag ang screen for me walang bearing yun (I am still not sure about this but I think its another Religious group who’s doing this, also the one na parang nasusunog si Eliseo F. Soriano), pero kung concern ka dun at bothered ka compared dun sa mga sinasabi ni Eliseo F. Soriano you can always get the attention of MTRCB. (Kung ADD ka takot mo lang!)
The INC Program actually runs both Defense against what Eliseo F. Soriano and his group is throwing to the INC by answering those criticisms, the problem is that when the INC acts on the Offensive and gives you the “burden of proof”… instead of answering it straight… you cry… “UNFAIR” or “you should throw tinapay… not bato…“ or like someone here “I demand that INC program to open up their line”.
You maybe right na ang layunin ng ADD ay atakehin ang mga mali “daw” ng INC. but I think it’s a good move by the INC Administration para sagutin ang mga sinasabi ng ADD na mali "daw", dahil so far NASAGOT na ng INC ang mga sinasabi nilang maling Aral at Doktrina ng INC. One of them yung Sermon ng Tagapamahala ng INC noong 1976. May commercial pa ang ADD nito pero ngayon hindi na ipinapalabas kasi naipakita ng INC na MALI ang ADD sa UNAWA. Pero yung sinasabi ng INC ayaw naman pamalian ng ADD. The people are wating.
Also, isn’t it a kind of Kindness to show to the people the REAL Eliseo F. Soriano, how he twists the Bible and how his Statements, Doctrines and Teaching contradict each other? Most members of Eliseo F. Soriano who realizes the truth give thanks to the Lord because the program (ATD) showed them what they didn’t see before. I see it as love to those who are fooled by Eliseo F. Soriano.
At kung hindi mo parin sagutin yung mga tanong ko then this is my last post for you as well.
Re: Yes, I've watched some ATD shows in Full Length
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January 23 2007, 6:12 PM
ok let me just clear a few things here...
i dont side any organization ok? i dont care what organization you work for, im not siding anyone.
it's sad that i dont actually recall what "accusations" were thrown at ADD since it was a long time ago since i last watched, all i remembered was them guys saying how evil Eli is and he's crazy and stuff lyk that, and if i remember correctly it was the same show that showed the animation of Eli being shot. pardon my ignorance when it comes to these kinda stuff because im not that religious of a person and rarely watch religioius shows. But what really matters to me is the fact that the whole show was mean to show people how evil, how much of a liar Eli is. I've heard so much negative stuff against one man that it was sickening to watch. to be honest i don't have a freakin idea what your talking about, like the debate, or why he doesn't dispprove INC criticisms, and about the muslim issue, etc etc.. your sounding like your thinking im with ADD when in fact i also dont like eli!!
All i remember is that a lot of serious stuff was thrown by BOTH religions. But to me, it doesn't matter what one side did, or how much the offense was. Because that's what your telling me, your saying na "is it the same bato na binabalik ng INC sa ADD??"
so your like saying that it's ok for INC to go on the offensive, pero hindi kasing lala ng ginagawa ni Eli db? the idea that im pointing out is the bible quote na " pag binato k ng bato, batuhin mo ng tinapay". Whatever u say, it's still the same thing, gumaganti prin ang INC khit papano by putting up a show na nagsasabi kung gaano kasama ang isang tao. nakalagay b sa quote n pwde kang gumanti pero d ganun ksing lala nung ginawa nung kaaway mo? that it should not be the same stone, it should be softer? di rin nman sinabi sa quote na pag masama tlga ang tao ok lng gumanti. as long na gumanti ka, gumanti ka parin. and don't tell me that telling someone that they're a liar, that they're evil and crazy or whatsoever ay hindi paghihiganti. dont deny it, gumaganti rin INC paminsan minsan, although not the same "bato" it's still considered paghihiganti. like they say, "practice what u preach"..
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Re: Yes, I've watched some ATD shows in Full Length
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January 23 2007, 6:54 PM
i do agree that it is an act of kindness to indeed convert a lot of ADD members to ur religion, but like i said, the fact that they keep on making fun of Eli and branding him as "evil" and "baliw" is wrong for a bunch of preachers. lam mo kng baket?
they can say nman na Eli is wrong, na mali ang turo nia in a nice way, pero instead ginagawa nila pinapaulit ulit nila ung mga sinasabi ni Eli,(rewind, rewind, rewind....) hanggang magmukhang katawatawa c Eli. Tapos sasabihan siya na isang baliw, sabay tawa ung mga host ng show. ibig sabihin ginagawa nilang katatawanan ang isang tao. actually nkakatawa nga tlga pag pinapaulit ulit ung mga salita ni soriano s show eh. kaya nga mukhang enjoy na enjoy ung dlwang preachers sa ginagawa nila. hahahaha. tuwang tuwa sila sa paghihiganti. khit sabihin man nilang mahal nila si Eli, it shows in their actions that they don't.. puro na lang gantihan.. puro na lang away kung ano ang tamang relihiyon.. hindi p ba saksi sa iyo ang forums n ito? puro away ng ADD at INC.. sa tingin mo tama b ito? ganun rin nman kc ang gngawa ng pinuno ng lhat ng relihiyon.. mangpuna ng ibang relihiyon kaya ginagaya rin ng mga miyembro..
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what am i fighting for? like i said, im not siding on anyone. i dont care what religion you're on. im not preventing ADD members from converting to INC(see my last post). i know a lot of people are thinking im with ADD, which im not.
i am an atheist. wala akong hinihimok maging atheist. binibigay ko lng ang opinion ko s awayan na nangyayari s mga religion. if you read all my post, my replies to L2S, its already pretty obvious what im trying to point out. i dnt get why you guys keep on asking that question "what are you fighting for" instead of just answering my posts. i've already answered L2S questions, now its time for you guys to reply to what i last posted. stop beating around the bush.
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mr superpwet you confessed to being an atheist pero isnt it ironic na nagbibigay ka ng opinyon sa isang paliwanagan na may kinalaman sa pananampalataya tungkol sa Diyos. paano mo maiintindihan ang diwa ng forum na ito kung ikaw mismo e walang paniniwala sa Maylalang?
naooffend ka sa napapanood mo sa aming programa? nagbasa ka na ba ng bibliya superpwet? alam mo ba kung paano hinambalos at ipinagtabuyan ng kinikilala naming anak ng Diyos na si Jesus ang mga lapastangang yumuyurak sa templo ng Diyos? kung na ooffend ka sa ginagawa ng aming programa mas dapat kang maoffend kay Jesus(iyun ay kung nagbabasa ka ng bibliya)kailanman hindi ginawang katawa tawa ng aming pamamahala si eliboy bagkus ay si eliboy mismo ang sumisira sa pagkatao niya!
tungkol naman sa sinasabi mong pagpuna namin, hindi iyon pagpuna superpwet kundi pagsisiwalat ng mga maling aral ng ibang pangkatin ng pananampalataya(at yan ay nakasalig din sa bibliya)
pero ang tanong superpwet, paano mo maiintindihan ang ginagawa namin kung ikaw mismo e walang paniniwala sa Maylalang?
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mr superpwet you confessed to being an atheist pero isnt it ironic na nagbibigay ka ng opinyon sa isang paliwanagan na may kinalaman sa pananampalataya tungkol sa Diyos. paano mo maiintindihan ang diwa ng forum na ito kung ikaw mismo e walang paniniwala sa Maylalang?
pero ang tanong superpwet, paano mo maiintindihan ang ginagawa namin kung ikaw mismo e walang paniniwala sa Maylalang?
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Sorry Sir but I can't stand answering your question about Mr.SuperPuwet's belief.
Pacencia na po talaga at nakiki alam ako sa tanong mo kay super puwet, Because I think you have no right to question man's INTELLIGENCE when it comes to rational and logical observation... Kahit siguro grade 6 maiintindahan ang mga pinag gagagawa nang programang ATD at ADD eh... be it a believer or a non believer...DO NOT UNDER-ESTIMATE anyone who asks ATD or ADD a question. Be straight to the point when you answer...
SO WHAT KUNG HINDI MO TALAGA MA CONVINCE YUNG TAO NA MANIWALA SA DIYOS NG SIMBAHAN NIYO? IBIG SABIHIN BA NUN EH WALA NA SYANG MAINTINDIHAN SA PAG EEXPOSE NIYO NG KABOBOHON NI ELI? SO WHAT KUNG HINDI RIN SYA NANINIWALA SA DIYOS NG SIMBAHAN NI ELI? Masama bang magtanong at mag bigay ng opinyon? What he is asking is the TRUE DIWA of the program...and you cannot take any rights out of mr superpuwet kung magpost sya dito sa forums niyo. MAY KARAPATAN SINUMAN NA MAG-REACT SA NAKIKITA NIYA AT NARARAMDAMAN...
This non threatening: LISTEN!!!
EVERY HUMAN HAVE A RIGHT TO POST ON EVERY FORUM HE/SHE IS INTERESTED WITH..be a believer or non-believer...
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mr sherif im not questioning the intelligence of super pwet im merely laying the facts na ang dalawang bagay na opposite ang paniniwala pag pinagsama ay hindi malayong magkalituhan(e.g ang isang pinaniniwalaan ay may Diyos, at yung isa naman ay wala) although ang ADDs at INCs ay magkaiba ng pananaw sa pananampalataya ay parehas namang naniniwala na may Diyos! hindi katulad ng pananaw ni superpwet na walang Diyos per se... sana naintindihan mo ang ibig kong sabihin!
AND I AM NOT CONVINCING HIM TO BELIEVE IN GOD. HE IS QUESTIONING THE WAY WE EXPOSE MR SORIANOS UNBIBLICAL BELIEFS, PERO KUNG PAREHAS SANA KAMING NANINIWALA NA MAY DIYOS E DI SANA MAS KWESTIYUNIN NIYA ANG GINAWA NG PINANINIWALAAN NAMING ANAK NG DIYOS NA SI JESUS SA GINAWA NIYA SA MGA NAGTITINDA SA PALIBOT NG TEMPLO!
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What if I told you guys that Eli Soriano is actually an atheist pretending to be a Christian and a believer of God? You guys can ask Bro. Vic (former Ang Dating Daan member) about that - email: bro.vic@i12.com
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No score for this post January 27 2007, 10:51 AM
Do you have a proof? Or this ia another of those tasteless propagandas? Hay my papaya...Now I know why this trend is titled "inutil" )
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The fool said in his heart, "There is no God", the wise say it to the world. Then you should be considered a supporter of Eli Soriano and his Ang Dating Daan.
Sounds ridiculous? Blame yourself, not us.
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The question is, does blatant propaganda shows the right way?
There is a saying..."Who is more foolish, the fool or the man who follows the fool?" If you think Ely is a fool pero sabat din naman kayo ng sabat sa kanya, diba that also makes you foolish?
Now why not learn sa ways ng mga Roman Catholics.
A man once approached the late Cardinal Sin and told him all those nasty things that Ely Soriano said to the Roman Catholic Church.
So the man asked Cardinal Sin, "So Father, ano po ang gagawin nyo kay Mr. Ely Soriano?"
Cardinal Sin look at the man and said " Ely Soriano? Who is he?"
Hay my papaya, I just show how insecure you guys are.
Tsk! Tsk! Tsk!
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The question is, does blatant propaganda shows the right way?
There is a saying..."Who is more foolish, the fool or the man who follows the fool?" If you think Ely is a fool pero sabat din naman kayo ng sabat sa kanya, diba that also makes you foolish?
Now why not learn sa ways ng mga Roman Catholics.
A man once approached the late Cardinal Sin and told him all those nasty things that Ely Soriano said to the Roman Catholic Church.
So the man asked Cardinal Sin, "So Father, ano po ang gagawin nyo kay Mr. Ely Soriano?"
Cardinal Sin look at the man and said " Ely Soriano? Who is he?"
Hay my papaya, I just show how insecure you guys are.
Tsk! Tsk! Tsk!
It only shows that you deliberately do not show any concen with the Ang Dating Daan members who are still "hypnotized" by Eli Soriano's mind-boggling teachings.
And your true intention in this forum is to undermine it's primary objective - to expose Eli Soriano's false teachings in response to his challenge to other religions, and para sa kapakanan ng mga members na kanyang nadaya.
And now you're also siding with the Roman Catholics?
I thought you don't believe in the existence of a true God. Now why would you side with the Roman Catholics who at least believe that there exists a true God??
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mr superpwet you confessed to being an atheist pero isnt it ironic na nagbibigay ka ng opinyon sa isang paliwanagan na may kinalaman sa pananampalataya tungkol sa Diyos. paano mo maiintindihan ang diwa ng forum na ito kung ikaw mismo e walang paniniwala sa Maylalang?
naooffend ka sa napapanood mo sa aming programa? nagbasa ka na ba ng bibliya superpwet? alam mo ba kung paano hinambalos at ipinagtabuyan ng kinikilala naming anak ng Diyos na si Jesus ang mga lapastangang yumuyurak sa templo ng Diyos? kung na ooffend ka sa ginagawa ng aming programa mas dapat kang maoffend kay Jesus(iyun ay kung nagbabasa ka ng bibliya)kailanman hindi ginawang katawa tawa ng aming pamamahala si eliboy bagkus ay si eliboy mismo ang sumisira sa pagkatao niya!
tungkol naman sa sinasabi mong pagpuna namin, hindi iyon pagpuna superpwet kundi pagsisiwalat ng mga maling aral ng ibang pangkatin ng pananampalataya(at yan ay nakasalig din sa bibliya)
pero ang tanong superpwet, paano mo maiintindihan ang ginagawa namin kung ikaw mismo e walang paniniwala sa Maylalang?
i studied in a catholic school when i was in high school.. i considered myself a christian until i grew up and my thinking matured a bit. so please don't tell me that i haven't read a bible or i know nothing about it, just because i dont believe in God. so ayan nsagot ko n ung isa mong tanong.
next, hindi mo kinoconsider na ginagawang katawa tawa ng relihiyon nio si Eli? manood k nga ng ATD tpos tignan ko kung hindi ka matatawa dun sa nirereplay pa tapos sinasabihan siyang baliw??eh kung ung mga host nga nagtatawanan at nakangisi eh hindi p ba nkakatawa un? ako rin ntatawa. ano un gusto lng nila tumawa at ngumiti?hahaha.
at tulad sa comment ko s pagpuna, tulad ng cnabi ko s previous post ko, kung inintindi mo lng, pwde mo sabihin in a nice way to people na mali ang paniniwala o sinungaling ang isang tao. pero tulad nga ng sabi ko, gumawa p sila ng show para ke soriano na pinapakitang nagsasaya sila habang sinasabihang baliw at sinungaling si eli. mahirap ba intindihin un? nagegets mo b? oo sabihin na nating na ksalanan niya yun na mali mali turo nia, pero the point is, the way INC is proving that he's wrong is a way of revenge for them. at kung bkit ko nsabing revenge, basahin mo ung 2nd paragraph netong post ko ok? pwde kau magsiwalat ng mga mali, pero ang nangyayari ay nagiging gyera n ng dlwang relihiyon. kaya nga sabi ko s previous post ko, hindi pa ba sapat na pruweba tong forums n ito? bilangan mo kung ilang thread ang ADD vs INC, at basahin mo ang mga comment nila sa isa't isa ng maliwanagan k.
at pwde ba wag niyo ikumpara ang mga sarili niyo ke jesus, na purket nagwala sya sa templo dahil binastos ung temple ni God eh pwde niyo nrin un gawin, or something similar to what he did. according to your teachings, Jesus is a very good man, i don't think we're worthy to even be compared to him. we're no Jesus my friends. so for every bad that we do, then we can just tell people that Jesus did the same thing! then it's justified! so according to your logic for example pumatay ako, sabihin ko lng, "eh bkit ung Diyos nga pinatay lhat ng tao s sodom at gomorha tpos nilunod p ung mga tao eh sa pmamagitan ng baha", then hindi na mukhang masama ung ginawa ko db???
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It only shows that you deliberately do not show any concen with the Ang Dating Daan members who are still "hypnotized" by Eli Soriano's mind-boggling teachings.
And your true intention in this forum is to undermine it's primary objective - to expose Eli Soriano's false teachings in response to his challenge to other religions, and para sa kapakanan ng mga members na kanyang nadaya.
And now you're also siding with the Roman Catholics?
I thought you don't believe in the existence of a true God. Now why would you side with the Roman Catholics who at least believe that there exists a true God??
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Why do it always have to be like this? Everytime an atheist gives an opinion about the churches, it ends up that we have intentions to disintegrate the believers thoughts or either we are on the other sides conspiracy opposition... I would like you to open your eyes sir and try to examine that we are speaking as a "REAL PERSON" not brothers, reverend,father,pope or whatever...we don't side to anyone...independente amigo.
About being an atheist is more sacrificing than you know Sir.
More sacrificing than you thought.
I am speaking to you as a real person sir,
Pls don't judge any human with the same metric ruler you are using to yourself and to the other churches.
Not all things can be put in a box.
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iyan ang gusto kong ipaliwanag superpwet! kailanman ay hindi tayo magkakaintindihan dahil magkaiba tayo ng paniniwala, nakuha mo!? ang paniniwala ko ay may Diyos, ikaw naman wala...
kailanman hindi namin ikinukumpara ang aming mga sarili kay Jesus, iba ang nagkukumpara sa nagbibigay ng halimbawa!
at sinabi ko rin na si eliboy ang sumisira sa sarili niya at ang ginagawa namin ay pagsisiwalat lang! pero sa sinasabi mong ginagawa namin siyang katawa tawa e nasa sa iyo na iyan pero ang masasabi ko lang ay hindi talaga tayo magkakaunawaan dahil nga magkaiba tayo ng paniniwala.
ang diwa ng forum na ito ay para sa mga taong naniniwalang may Diyos( katulad din halimbawa ng mga ADDs, INCs, at iba pang pangkatin ng relihiyon na although magkakaiba ng pananaw sa pananampalataya e naniniwala namang may Diyos)
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at maidagdag ko lang superpwet, kung anuman ang itinakda at ipinasya ng aming pamamahala sa mga programa namin sa telebisyon nakahanda kaming sumuporta at sumunod...
tanong ko lang superpwet, nagkokomento ka tungkol sa mga programa ng INC pero ano naman ang komento mo sa mga pagmumura, pag alipusta, pambababoy personal ng kabilang panig sa mga ministro ng INC? at ang masakit pa ang pag aakusang ang mga INCs ay mamamatay tao?
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It only shows that you deliberately do not show any concen with the Ang Dating Daan members who are still "hypnotized" by Eli Soriano's mind-boggling teachings.
And your true intention in this forum is to undermine it's primary objective - to expose Eli Soriano's false teachings in response to his challenge to other religions, and para sa kapakanan ng mga members na kanyang nadaya.
And now you're also siding with the Roman Catholics?
I thought you don't believe in the existence of a true God. Now why would you side with the Roman Catholics who at least believe that there exists a true God??
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Concern to Ely Soriano's member? If you need my concern. I'm am concern to all religious Filipino na nagiging gatasan ng iba't ibang sekta na lumabas sa Pilinas na may SEC registration hahaha! So why bother to ask me for my concern. I'm concern to every Filipino soul that was hooked in this super-money making business of selling salvation.
Now, what teaching are you saying? The Catholics and majority of "Born-Again Christians" think the Iglesia ni Cristo as a cult created by Manalo. So anong pinag-iba nyo sa mga ADD?
You don't belive me? Here's what other Christian sects have to say about you guys: Just visit the site and found out for yourselves (http://www.examineiglesianicristo.com/)
Or how about http://www.apologeticsindex.org/i20.html who said, "Theologically, Iglesia ni Cristo is a cult of Christianity. Its false teachings include:
Denial of the divinity of Jesus Chirst. The divinity of Christ is one of the essential teachings of the Christian faith. Rejecting one or more of Christianity's core teachings places one outside the Christian faith.
Claiming that the Christian Church "was apostatized after the first century" and "was restored to its pristine purity by God by means of His last messenger, brother Felix Y. Manalo..." (Pasugo, July/August 1988, page 7)
The claim that salvation comes only through this church ("This may come as a surprise to many, but the Biblical truth is, though all churches profess to preach God and Christ, there is only one true church that can bring people back to the good graces of God." (Pasugo, November 1973, page 19)"
Now from the pages of Wikipedia:
Criticism
The Iglesia ni Cristo has come under criticism from apologetics groups and other religions mainly due to disagreements over their doctrines and beliefs regarding the interpretation of the Bible. They have also been criticised by non-religious groups for their political influence and alleged restraint of press freedom.
From religious groups
Dr. Karl Keating, the founder of Catholic Answers claims that Dr. Jose Ventilacion, an INC minister and one of their chief debaters, broke an agreement in 1990 for a one-on-one debate made by the two organizations in National City, California. Instead of a one-on-one debate, Keating states that Ventilacion had three helpers assisting him, and that they were shouting at him during the debate. He also claims that God's Message magazine is dedicated more to criticizing and attacking Catholic and Protestant beliefs and doctrines (by referring to them as "tools of Satan" for example), rather than explaining their own positions.
The Catholic Church refutes INC's claim that the beast of Revelation is the Pope. They claim that the pope's title, Vicarius Filii Dei, Latin for Vicar of the Son of God, adds up to 666 which is the the "Number of the Beast". The Catholic Church however has stated that Vicarius Filii Dei has never been an "official title" of the pope.
Catholic Answers has also rejected the INC's doctrines of apostasy within the Catholic church and does not consider the verses used to support the doctrine of the Iglesia ni Cristo being prophesied nor the apostacy of the Catholic church are used in the right context. It contends that other verses are difficult to reconcile with the views of the Iglesia ni Cristo. However, the Iglesia ni Cristo claims through biblical prophesies, that it was elected to be "the nation of God," as the Israelites were, and that God chose them to serve him.
Let Us Reason Ministries, an online apologetics research group, criticised the INC for holding the belief that it has the sole authority from God to interpret and preach the Bible, while other religions do not. They also claim that the INC intentionally misinterprets and misappropriates verses to agree with their doctrines and that they use fallacious arguments against other religions , stating: "Unfortunately they ignore the whole history of the Church in the zealous rebuttals against Catholicism. Nothing is out of reach of their researchers to demean and belittle. Some of the greatest scholars in languages and history are ignored or misrepresented as they present what they believe is correct. I suspect that many know better in what they teach." They also reject the INC's doctrine that one can only be saved if they are a member of the Iglesia ni Cristo. According to the The Bereans Apologetics Research Ministry, some of the beliefs of INC are contrary to mainstream Christianity.
Dr. Charles Caldwell Ryrie has criticized the INC for allegedly misquoting his Ryrie Study Bible regarding John 1 1 in the May/June 1984 issue of the Pasugo. Ryrie has been quoted as saying, in a letter to Robert Elliff, the author of the book, Iglesia Ni Cristo: The Only True Church? "Anyone can look in my Study Bible and see how conveniently this author [the INC] omitted the last phrase in the note of John 1:1."
Secular criticism
The main accusation of restraint of press freedom arises from the church's seeking of prior restraint on Ross Tipon's book, The Power and the Glory: The Cult of Manalo) for alleged gross inaccuracies, Critics claim that the INC is stifling free speech by banning an unpublished book, and Tipon claims infringement on his free speech rights. An attorney representing the INC, Abraham Espejo states "The publication of the criminal manuscript will trigger social unrest, Millions of people may come out in the streets and this may lead to violence." The Iglesia ni Cristo alleges that the book has defamed its organization and Felix Manalo. The INC seeks PHP1,000,000 in damages from Tipon and the unknown publisher. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iglesia_ni_Cristo
Now, diba para sa kanila false teaching din kayo? Na nagdadaya din kayo? So will the real Christian here please stand up! Please stand up!
So again Mr.texhnolyze, what truth are you trying to tell me? Kung kayong mga Kristiano eh di magkasundo-sudo sa aral at doctrina nyo, papaano nyo makukumbinsi kaming mga di naniniwala sa pinaniniwalaan nyo?
ciao!
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The fool said in his heart, "There is no God", the wise say it to the world.
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Bakit mo ako hinahanap, na mimiss mo na ba ako. Ukol doon sa reply mo kung bakit hindi ko sinasagot… nakita ko na walang patutunguhan. Bakit ayaw mo pa kasing linawin ang pakay mo dito sa forum na ito, hindi ko rin alam kung bakit sa INC for ADD turned MCGI na forum lang kayo ganito... My reasons are simple… putak ka ng putak wala ka naman palang alam sa mga sinasabi mo….
Eto…
L2S:
How were you able to judge that it was the same (bato rin) as the program of Eliseo F. Soriano does the INC stoop to Eliseo F. Soriano’s level that curses, malign, accused someone without any solid basis? How’s your Religious inclination?
You also said you get the point but I say you didn’t get all of it, here’s some of my Question to you… sana sagutin mo ng TOTOO. Eto yung part na hindi mo nakikita…
Nasaan si Eliseo F. Soriano at hindi niya sinasagot ang mga sinasabi mong atake para pasamain siya?
Does this mean na totoo iyon at ayaw nya lang pag-usapan? Example na yung Muslim Issue.
Meron na bang nasagot ang Panel ng ADD specially si Eliseo F. Soriano sa Kontrahan Blues niya?
Ilan out of 700+ and Counting?
Iyong sagot ng INC sa hamon nya sa Debate nasagot na ba nya? Pugutan ng Ulo sa Luneta o nagbibiro lang sya.
How about the one with Authorization Issue?
SuperPwet: (w/ my comments in red)
it's sad that i dont actually recall what "accusations" were thrown at ADD since it was a long time ago since i last watched, (kaya naman pala lumang issue ang inuungkat mo… kung nanonood ka at least 3 months ago napansin mo sana na halos hindi na ipinakikita si Eliseo F. Soriano sa ATD dahil hindi naman siya lumalabas sa ere, bakit di mo i-try ngayon baka magustohan mo na yung topic) all i remembered was them guys saying how evil Eli is and he's crazy and stuff lyk that, (do you believe that Eliseo F. Soriano is not evil, do you believe a sane man will teach bad things) and if i remember correctly it was the same show that showed the animation of Eli being shot. pardon my ignorance when it comes to these kinda stuff because im not that religious of a person and rarely watch religioius shows. But what really matters to me is the fact that the whole show was mean to show people how evil, how much of a liar Eli is. (WAS HE NOT?) I've heard so much negative stuff against one man that it was sickening to watch. to be honest i don't have a freakin idea what your talking about, like the debate, or why he doesn't dispprove INC criticisms, and about the muslim issue, etc etc.(that’s what I am talking about, you are saying that, the INC should be silent, while this man and the ADD are maligning the INC almost 24/7 until now, di na lang masyado and you are complaining on a 1 hour program?) your sounding like your thinking im with ADD (no I don’t think you’re an ADD, a sympathizer maybe…) when in fact i also dont like eli!! (i also dont like eli!! -??? But you don’t want how the INC showing his real face, right?)
SuperPwet can you tell me, where this is heading? You came in here together with your friends one day with a banner “We’re Atheist” and boom you’re a star. It was a good way to get our attention but our will to pursue it may not be that warm.We can talk about this topic if you want just for the sake of conversation but for now I understand why you cannot answer my question… How were you able to judge that it was the same (bato rin) as the program of Eliseo F. Soriano does the INC stoop to Eliseo F. Soriano’s level that curses, malign, accused someone without any solid basis? the answer… you don’t know that much, and it was just a comment on things that you don’t understand.
But I believe that there is still hope for you. Enjoy!
Sorry to react L2S, first "atheist" don't have banners and seal just like what you have in your church that SEC requires you...secondly Mr.superpuwet is just making a good observation and some opinions about this forum..
This is not the only forum I am visiting if you would like to know since this quote of yours is generally speaking about the thoughts of ATHEISTS.... try to go to other sites and check it out for yourself..
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iyan ang gusto kong ipaliwanag superpwet! kailanman ay hindi tayo magkakaintindihan dahil magkaiba tayo ng paniniwala, nakuha mo!? ang paniniwala ko ay may Diyos, ikaw naman wala...
kailanman hindi namin ikinukumpara ang aming mga sarili kay Jesus, iba ang nagkukumpara sa nagbibigay ng halimbawa!
ang msasabi ko:
oo tama ka ewankosaiyo, hindi nga tama ang salitang "kumpara" na nagamit ko, pasensya n dahil akoy pagod lamang at nagkamali ako hehe.. so cge "halimbawa" ang gamitin ntin, pero it's still the same thing db, halimbawa mo si Jesus, pero hindi nga tayo hesus at malayo tayo sa kanya. at tulad nga ng sabi ko, purket ginawa nia ay pwde nating sabihin na ok lng na gawin ntin kc ginawa nman to ni hesus eh..db??
at sinabi ko rin na si eliboy ang sumisira sa sarili niya at ang ginagawa namin ay pagsisiwalat lang! pero sa sinasabi mong ginagawa namin siyang katawa tawa e nasa sa iyo na iyan pero ang masasabi ko lang ay hindi talaga tayo magkakaunawaan dahil nga magkaiba tayo ng paniniwala
ang msasabi ko:
anong sinasabi mo na nsa saken na un kung nagmumukhang katawa tawa si Eli? un nman ung purpose nung pareplay replay p tpos sinasabihan siyang baliw db? mahirap bang makita yon? sus. dahil sa magkaiba tayo ng paniniwala, saken nkakatawa un tpos sau hinde? gnun b ibig mong sabihin? hahaha.. ano kaya reaksiyon ng mga muslim pg nkita un? iiyak? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!...
at maidagdag ko lang superpwet, kung anuman ang itinakda at ipinasya ng aming pamamahala sa mga programa namin sa telebisyon nakahanda kaming sumuporta at sumunod...
tanong ko lang superpwet, nagkokomento ka tungkol sa mga programa ng INC pero ano naman ang komento mo sa mga pagmumura, pag alipusta, pambababoy personal ng kabilang panig sa mga ministro ng INC? at ang masakit pa ang pag aakusang ang mga INCs ay mamamatay tao?
ang msasabi ko:
ok so mukhang nasasatisfy kau pg nagsasalita ng msma ukol ke Eli. so cge, sinungaling sya, nagmumura ng nagmumura tpos kontra kontra nga. o msya n kayo? gusto nio p tlgang magsalita ako ng msma ukol ke Eli dahil sinasabihan ko kau ng sa tingin ko eh mali s inyo?? in short gusto nio din idamay si Eli? bkit b kau naghahanap ng karamay. you should learn to defend ur religion. ano b yan, kung ako ngang hindi ganun kareligious napagtatanggol ko sarili ko, kau p.
and admire your loyalty to your religion ewankosaiyo, you have gained my respect for that!
ang diwa ng forum na ito ay para sa mga taong naniniwalang may Diyos( katulad din halimbawa ng mga ADDs, INCs, at iba pang pangkatin ng relihiyon na although magkakaiba ng pananaw sa pananampalataya e naniniwala namang may Diyos)
ang msasabi ko:
so in short ur saying that this forums is for people lng na naniniwala s Diyos? is this an act of desperation on your side? you seem like you really want us to leave this site. hey admin! i need your word on this hehe!
Bakit mo ako hinahanap, na mimiss mo na ba ako. Ukol doon sa reply mo kung bakit hindi ko sinasagot… nakita ko na walang patutunguhan. Bakit ayaw mo pa kasing linawin ang pakay mo dito sa forum na ito, hindi ko rin alam kung bakit sa INC for ADD turned MCGI na forum lang kayo ganito... My reasons are simple… putak ka ng putak wala ka naman palang alam sa mga sinasabi mo….
ang msasabi ko:
yup i missed you L2S.. kc tulad ka n kira na bigla na lang nawawala pagkatapos kong sagutin lhat ng tanong haha.. at kung nagtatanong ka kung bkit ganito kmi s INC lamang, eto lng mssabi ko, nabigay lng saken ang link n ito at nagcomment lng ako nung una, pero msyadong mrming nagreply at nadaloy na lamang ako sa agos. pinapaulit ulit ko s mga post ko na wala akong kinakampihan, although alam nming gustong gusto nio kming igrupo sa ADD..
L2S:
How were you able to judge that it was the same (bato rin) as the program of Eliseo F. Soriano does the INC stoop to Eliseo F. Soriano’s level that curses, malign, accused someone without any solid basis? How’s your Religious inclination?
You also said you get the point but I say you didn’t get all of it, here’s some of my Question to you… sana sagutin mo ng TOTOO. Eto yung part na hindi mo nakikita…
Nasaan si Eliseo F. Soriano at hindi niya sinasagot ang mga sinasabi mong atake para pasamain siya?
Does this mean na totoo iyon at ayaw nya lang pag-usapan? Example na yung Muslim Issue.
Meron na bang nasagot ang Panel ng ADD specially si Eliseo F. Soriano sa Kontrahan Blues niya?
Ilan out of 700+ and Counting?
Iyong sagot ng INC sa hamon nya sa Debate nasagot na ba nya? Pugutan ng Ulo sa Luneta o nagbibiro lang sya.
How about the one with Authorization Issue?
SuperPwet: (w/ my comments in red)
it's sad that i dont actually recall what "accusations" were thrown at ADD since it was a long time ago since i last watched, (kaya naman pala lumang issue ang inuungkat mo… kung nanonood ka at least 3 months ago napansin mo sana na halos hindi na ipinakikita si Eliseo F. Soriano sa ATD dahil hindi naman siya lumalabas sa ere, bakit di mo i-try ngayon baka magustohan mo na yung topic) all i remembered was them guys saying how evil Eli is and he's crazy and stuff lyk that, (do you believe that Eliseo F. Soriano is not evil, do you believe a sane man will teach bad things) and if i remember correctly it was the same show that showed the animation of Eli being shot. pardon my ignorance when it comes to these kinda stuff because im not that religious of a person and rarely watch religioius shows. But what really matters to me is the fact that the whole show was mean to show people how evil, how much of a liar Eli is. (WAS HE NOT?) I've heard so much negative stuff against one man that it was sickening to watch. to be honest i don't have a freakin idea what your talking about, like the debate, or why he doesn't dispprove INC criticisms, and about the muslim issue, etc etc. (that’s what I am talking about, you are saying that, the INC should be silent, while this man and the ADD are maligning the INC almost 24/7 until now, di na lang masyado and you are complaining on a 1 hour program?) your sounding like your thinking im with ADD (no I don’t think you’re an ADD, a sympathizer maybe…) when in fact i also dont like eli!! (i also dont like eli!! -??? But you don’t want how the INC showing his real face, right?)
SuperPwet can you tell me, where this is heading? You came in here together with your friends one day with a banner “We’re Atheist” and boom you’re a star. It was a good way to get our attention but our will to pursue it may not be that warm. We can talk about this topic if you want just for the sake of conversation but for now I understand why you cannot answer my question… How were you able to judge that it was the same (bato rin) as the program of Eliseo F. Soriano does the INC stoop to Eliseo F. Soriano’s level that curses, malign, accused someone without any solid basis? the answer… you don’t know that much, and it was just a comment on things that you don’t understand.
ang msasabi ko:
ok so first, sinabi mo na lumang issue na ang inuungkat ko, at sabi mo starting 3 months ago, iba na ang topic DAHIL HINDI NA LUMALABAS SA ERE SI ELI. ANG MEANING NUN AY KUNG LUMALABAS PA SIYA AY GANUN PARIN ANG TOPIC, hindi po ba? salamat at sinagot mo nrin ang tanong mo.
and again, it's obvious that ALL OF YOU ARE AVOIDING THE FACT THAT THE SHOW ATD(nung mga panahong lumalabas pa si Eli s ere) IS ALL ABOUT TWO GUYS INSULTING ELI, LAUGHING AT HIM, TELLING HIM THAT HE'S EVIL ETC ETC.. and i have kept on telling you guys that i think Eli's evil as well, but the fact that INC made that show to insult Eli is against the bible teaching na pag binato ka ng bato, eh batuhin mo ng tinapay. napakasimpleng quote! PERO YOU KEEP ON SAYING IS THIS THE SAME BATO??? ETC ETC... ano bang mahirap intindihin sa quote n iyon??na once na gumanti ka, gumanti ka parin. at mali ang paghihiganti ayon s teaching ng bible. pero ewan ko kung bakit ako eh sinasabihan mo na wala akong alam at putak lng ako ng putak, kung ikaw nga eh napakasimpleng quote eh hindi mo ma-gets??? kahit grade 1 maiintindihan yan eh. pero ang pinipilit mo eh "is it the same bato?" hahaha.. so parang sinasabi mo na ok lng nman ung ganti ng INC kc hindi kasing grabe nung gngawa ni Eli, hindi po ba? pero once again uulitin ko pra maintindihan mo na ang paghihiganti ay mali ayon sa bible. so nagegets mo n b? so ur saying na kailangan ko pa alamin lahat ng history ng INC at ADD pra mkapagkomento ako s nangyayari? alam ko kung ano ang itsura ng paghihiganti kapatid, at yun ang nakikita ko sa parehong kampo. hindi ko na kelangan pag aralan pa ang history niyo pra msabi ko sa sarili ko na nag aaway na ang bawat kampo, na labag sa utos ng bible. ano panonoorin ko p ung binanggit nia about s luneta, authorization issue na sinasabi mo tpos tska ako babalik dito s forums? hahaahaha.. i dnt think it will make any difference to me.. and you cannot understand why i cant answer your question kng about "is it the same bato"?? for crap's sake i've answered it for you over and over again!! oo pra sumaya ka, siguro nga hindi ganun kasing tindi ung ganti ng INC,o ano msya k n? pero db labag prin s utos ng bible ang ganti? so wala rin hehe.
and you're telling me that ATD is a one hour program? of course maraming episodes yun eh! duh! pinagmamalaki mo p nga na umabot ng 700plus and counting ung mga mali nia na naibunyag nio? cool! salamat at sinagot mo ulet ang tanong mo hahahaha!!
it doesnt matter if i dont know all the stuff that u asked like the Muslim issue etc etc.. we're talking about the bible teaching here, on how that show ATD did violate that teaching, and on how that show did both good and bad for the people. the good, it showed the people that Eli was a liar(see, im agreeing with you here), and the bad, the INC and ADD are starting to imitate their leaders by fighting childishly against each other. tulad ng sabi ko, hindi pa ba halimbawa sa inyo ang forums na ito? bakit walang sumasagot nito saken? ilang thread dito ang ADD vs INC? walang sumasagot! lahat ng binato nio saken ay sinagot ko, ngunit kayo? ito b ang walang alam at putak lng ng putak? kung ganun ako, ano k p na bigla nlang nawawala at kelangan p kitang tawagin?hehehe.
just to add, i dont like what eli is doing with INC as well. that why i keep on saying na its a war between two religions db? i am not an ADD sympathizer in any way.
what am i fighting for? i dont know. i dont think it matters. you guys asked me questions, i answered. why cant you guys just keep on answering my posts. you guys are asking me for my "religious inclination" pra may mhanap kaung butas saken. dahil kung ADD ako, mas mdali ako kontrahin db? that's why you guys like branding us as ADD. but unfortunately for you guys, we're not..^_^
and thanks for branding me as a "star", i feel so special...
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Your apologies are well noted but I think you don’t mean any of if. You are indeed a non-sense person, “Inutil”, and only another non-sense will ever talk to you like me, but unlike you I have a God.
But for the sake of healthy conversation let us talk…
Do you really think its “Inutil” to answer all the accusations against you?
Is it really “Inutil” if you show the truth and let the public knows it?
Is it really “Inutil” to show your concern to those who are misinformed and show the right path?
Here is your much awaited answer by the way!
Sheriff_Atheist
If you answer 1 + 1 = 10. Unless you discovered 1 is = to 5. YES it is inutil if you don't say 1 = 5 at the same time of instructions before you answer it. You two Churches needs a debate in the same moment at the same time WITH A PANEL A JURY AND AN AUDIENCE.
L2S
No Need, in BINARY 1+1=10 and about the debate, I don’t think Eliseo F. Soriano will come out so don’t hold your breath.
Sheriff_Atheist
Again you are ridiculuous L2S. We'll to tell you frankly YOU NEED AUTHENTIC EVDENCES to pass over the JURY or to THE JUDGE so AUDIENCE can see it,FIRM EVIDENCES. Now what is happening in ATD is THEY ARE THE JURY, THEY ARE THE JUDGE,THEY ARE SHERIFF AND THEY ARE THE DEPUTY... that makes no sense..what are you? THE LAW?
L2S
We need Authentic Evidences? What are you looking for Eliseo F. Soriano himself in Ang Tamang Daan admitting he’s Guilty? I believe that if you really are watching the INC program you will not comment like this (as well as SuperPwet), Do you think that the INC stoop to the level of Eliseo F. Soriano that accuses without evidence? Eliseo now has more than 700 Contradictions and counting, would you like to comment on which of it is not authentic? Pick one and lets talk about it.
The INC is not the Law, they may be the Jury, the Judge, the Sheriff (huh???) and the Deputy (another huh???) as required for them to show who Eliseo F. Soriano really is but it is still up to the People to decide, the same people who convert from ADD turned MCGI to INC, all they need is an Open Mind. I can always tell that you are “INUTIL” but who would believe me if I don’t have any proof.
Sheriff_Atheist
Pls don't hide behind your mother's pants. Don't wash your hands just like Pontius Pilate did.. WE ALL KNOW INC is just clearing their name for the accusations Soriano said..Misinformed you say? who? the majority don't care about your fight with 'em.That is your peronal debating politics with 'em not ours. WHAT WE DO CARE IS YOUR TEACHINGS...to compare both in one single arena.
L2S
True that the INC is clearing its name from accusations made by Eliseo F. Soriano and many times he was proven wrong, but when the INC answers back you are saying that it’s not fair you should change the format of your Program. Its not about a fight the program are for those who are misinformed about the INC by Eliseo F. Soriano, for those people who are fooled by Elise F. Soriano and serves as warning for the People (including atheist like you) about who Eliseo F. Soriano really is. Admit it there are some Atheist who are now members of the ADD.
If you really care about the Teaching… then you are not really looking. You are not even asking Doctrinal Questions about the INC, so why believe you? I also don’t think that you care at all to the Messages that are moving below your screen if you really are watching.
Sheriff_Atheist
ATD don't have a question and answer program which is very beneficial, NOW youre claiming that yes they do have but it's in TEXT and MESSAGING forum style, well to tell you honestly NOT EVERYONE HAS A CELLPHONE...Availability is all that the majority needs..don't teach me on how MAJORITY can be educated...Hypocrisy aside, this is the truth..HINDI LAHAT NG PILIPINO MAY CELLPHONE para magtext. That is rediculous to say that you have an answer and question program thru TEXT MESSAGING.
L2S:
Owws? For Atheist like you it may not be that beneficial. The ATD like most of the INC program is in Question and Answer format, but unlike the ADD, the questions are well prepared and based on most possible questions that may be asked. It may not be beneficial for you since the topic doesn’t cohere with your expectations but believe me it is design for the benefit of the Majority, for it to be more effective. It may be the reason why you despise the ATD Atheism in the Philippines is not a Majority. As far as I know there are already some episodes that have been discussed about Atheism too bad you missed it.
That’s good that you know that Not Everyone has Cellphone there was a time that I didn’t have any, but you also should have though that Not Everyone had Television either. Do you think that it ends there? As with those reached by the (TV) program for sure there’s at least 1 out of 5 people have cellphones even less specially sa Manila, ikaw ilang ang cellphone mo? Hypocrisy aside ka pa… the truth is MAS MARAMING PILIPINONG MAY CELLPHONE KESA SA INIISIP MO. It is not ridiculous, hindi mo lang naiintindihan… at wala kang balak intindihin.
Sheriff_Atheist
Do you think text Messaging is FORMAL enough to answer all the questions we have? if the answer is yes, I THINK THERE IS NO NEED TO GO TO SCHOOL AND WRITE BOOKS .. no more press release offering from the presidential floor, JUST TEXT: MEDIA &GOVERNEMENT PRESIDENT GLORIA INTENTIONS OF PRESS RELEASE then send to 354408951 LS2 stop kidding me.
hahahaha.
L2S:
Ikaw ang nakakatawa, halatang nagko-comment ka na naman sa mga bagay na hindi mo alam. Sa tingin mo ba ay sasagutin ang tanong mo sa pamamagitan ng text din (magrereply with the Answer). Isipin mo na lang siguro kung paano masasagot ang tanong mo na sinned mo thru SMS. Question lang…. Have you ever tried it?
Ha ha ha ha ka pa dyan, Atheist ka pa naman, and regarding your Reply doon sa post k okay SuperPwet, there’s another banner waving on your head it says “Inutil” may nakaturo sa iyo, I hope you get now what I mean by banner.
ok so mukhang nasasatisfy kau pg nagsasalita ng msma ukol ke Eli. so cge, sinungaling sya, nagmumura ng nagmumura tpos kontra kontra nga. o msya n kayo? gusto nio p tlgang magsalita ako ng msma ukol ke Eli dahil sinasabihan ko kau ng sa tingin ko eh mali s inyo?? in short gusto nio din idamay si Eli? bkit b kau naghahanap ng karamay. you should learn to defend ur religion. ano b yan, kung ako ngang hindi ganun kareligious napagtatanggol ko sarili ko, kau p.
and admire your loyalty to your religion ewankosaiyo, you have gained my respect for that!
MY REPLY: kailanman superpwet hindi ko sinabing magsalita ka ng masama ukol ke eli ang sabi ko ano ang komento mo sa paratang niya na ang mga INCs ay mamamatay tao. Mukhang one sided ka kaibigan. you said na sinasabihan mo kami ng mali sa amin, e kung sabihin ko rin kaya sa iyo na mali ka rin dahil hindi ka naniniwala na may Diyos, tanggapin mo kaya iyon? you also said we should learn to defend our religion, the truth is thats exactly what we are doing, kasi for so many years na inaatake ni soriano ang INC ay kailan lang umimik ang pamamahala ng INC pero ang nangyari e kami pa ang kinukuestiyon mo, are you really an atheist or are you siding with soriano?
superpwet said: so in short ur saying that this forums is for people lng na naniniwala s Diyos? is this an act of desperation on your side? you seem like you really want us to leave this site. hey admin! i need your word on this hehe!
oo this forum is for people lang na naniniwala sa Diyos dahil ito talaga ang diwa kaya ginawa ito! at nung una pa man ay sinabi ko na sa iyo na hindi tayo magkakaintindihan dahil magkaiba tayo ng paniniwala!!! akoy may Diyos ikaw naman walang kinikilalang Diyos!
I am not in any desperation or whatsoever pero kung nakakaintindi ka ang forum na ito ay para sa mga taong naniniwalang may Diyos at ang katulad mong hindi naniniwala sa Diyos ay hindi nararapat dito! tutal nag open ang isa naming kapatid ng thread tungkol sa topic na "may Diyos o wala" e patunayan mo muna na walang Diyos dun sa thread na iyun bago mo kami punain!!!
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Very well said L2S!! Alas, you are now serious my friend.. Finally, damn you have replied!!
But I can smell some hate from you already..take it easy L2S.
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Ha ha ha ha ka pa dyan, Atheist ka pa naman,
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MY ANSWER:
saying hahaha and laughing my heart out of you moronic principles that you have, has nothing to do with being an atheist, puto.
If you answer 1 + 1 = 10. Unless you discovered 1 is = to 5. YES it is inutil if you don't say 1 = 5 at the same time of instructions before you answer it. You two Churches needs a debate in the same moment at the same time WITH A PANEL A JURY AND AN AUDIENCE.
L2S
No Need, in BINARY 1+1=10 and about the debate, I don’t think Eliseo F. Soriano will come out so don’t hold your breath.
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MY ANSWER:
Sorry pero hindi ko kailangan pigilin ang hininga ko para lang sa inyong dalawa. Kayo may problema eh, bat di kayo magharap at pati ako dinadamay mo, balak mo pa ata akong patayin, pati pag-hinga ko na wala namang kinalaman sa topic pinapakailaman mo..
Waaag po!! Maawa na po kayo sa ken!! May anak po ako!!!
Atsaka kung ayaw lumabas ni Eli, di mag request kayo ng kahit sino nalang sa kanila na representative. Ika-nga IF THERE'S A WILL, THEN THERE'S A WAY!!!
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We need Authentic Evidences? What are you looking for Eliseo F. Soriano himself in Ang Tamang Daan admitting he’s Guilty? I believe that if you really are watching the INC program you will not comment like this (as well as SuperPwet), Do you think that the INC stoop to the level of Eliseo F. Soriano that accuses without evidence? Eliseo now has more than 700 Contradictions and counting, would you like to comment on which of it is not authentic? Pick one and lets talk about it.
The INC is not the Law, they may be the Jury, the Judge, the Sheriff (huh???) and the Deputy (another huh???) as required for them to show who Eliseo F. Soriano really is but it is still up to the People to decide, the same people who convert from ADD turned MCGI to INC, all they need is an Open Mind. I can always tell that you are “INUTIL” but who would believe me if I don’t have any proof.
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MY ANSWER:
Kung hindi ka ba naman sira eh,pati ako idadamay niyo sa away niyo at gusto mo pa kong mag pick ng isang contradiction kay eli, puwes sabihin niyo yan sa kanya at mag debate kayo sa harap ng media ng sabay!! hindi ako representante ni eli,puto, atsaka yung tinutukoy ko na AUTHENTIC EVIDENCES eh hindi tungkol doon sa pinag putol putol niyong mga aral niya, kundi yung original tape na ako mismo ang nakapanood ng kompleto kay eli. Ayaw ko ng sabihin kung anu yun...wala akong paki alam kay eli, basta ang mahalaga yung TURO NIYA, parang sa inyo, WALA AKONG PAKI ALAM SA INYO, YUNG TURO NIYO LANG ANG MAHALAGA....PERO PAPAANO NGA BA MANINIWALA ANG MGA TAONG INUTIL EH MAS INUTIL PA KAYO SA SENADO.
KUng talagang firm ang evidence niyo at authentic, eh di idaan niyo sa mano y mano na debate laban sa ADD ngayon ay MCGI na... Kung hindi puwede di humanap ng paraan...walang impossible, utak niyo lang ang imposible...kung sinong inutil, ewan ko sa inyong dalawa... AMBOT SA IMONG LUBOT.
Pls don't hide behind your mother's pants. Don't wash your hands just like Pontius Pilate did.. WE ALL KNOW INC is just clearing their name for the accusations Soriano said..Misinformed you say? who? the majority don't care about your fight with 'em.That is your peronal debating politics with 'em not ours. WHAT WE DO CARE IS YOUR TEACHINGS...to compare both in one single arena.
L2S
True that the INC is clearing its name from accusations made by Eliseo F. Soriano and many times he was proven wrong, but when the INC answers back you are saying that it’s not fair you should change the format of your Program. Its not about a fight the program are for those who are misinformed about the INC by Eliseo F. Soriano, for those people who are fooled by Elise F. Soriano and serves as warning for the People (including atheist like you) about who Eliseo F. Soriano really is. Admit it there are some Atheist who are now members of the ADD.
If you really care about the Teaching… then you are not really looking. You are not even asking Doctrinal Questions about the INC, so why believe you? I also don’t think that you care at all to the Messages that are moving below your screen if you really are watching.
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MY ANSWER:
para atang nakalimutan mong basahin yung huli:
WHAT WE DO CARE IS YOUR TEACHINGS.. . to compare both in one single arena.
Gusto mo kopy and paste ko pa ng paulit ulit para ma gets mo eh:
heto oh:
WHAT WE DO CARE IS YOUR TEACHINGS...to compare both in one single arena.
WHAT WE DO CARE IS YOUR TEACHINGS...to compare both in one single arena.
WHAT WE DO CARE IS YOUR TEACHINGS...to compare both in one single arena.
WHAT WE DO CARE IS YOUR TEACHINGS...to compare both in one single arena.
WHAT WE DO CARE IS YOUR TEACHINGS...to compare both in one single arena.
WHAT WE DO CARE IS YOUR TEACHINGS...to compare both in one single arena.
At heto pa, hindi naman purket atheist ang isang tao eh close minded nah,gaya mo naman sa sarili mo!! kaya nga gusto ko makita kayong mag debate eh...mano y mano para makita kung sino talaga ang may mas matimbang na utak. At pagkatapos sang aayunan, at baka may makuha akong balato....
Ay may tanong pala sa utak ko, pano ko pala papaniwalan ang kristyano kung sila mismo ay salasalabat ang paniniwala at prinsipyo tungkol sa bibliya...hayan at punong puno na tayo ng iba't ibang sector ng relihiyon...hindi naman ako galit sa mga relihiyon, nagtataka lang kung may "diyos" ba talaga oh "relihiyon" ang diyos ng ibang tao katulad ng INC at ADD na halos inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
EH KUNG I DONATE NIYO NALANG PERA NIYO SA MAHIHIRAP NA TAO KEYSA MAG-AIR SA TV NA KUNG ILANG MILYON ANG INAABOT
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
EH KUNG I DONATE NIYO NALANG PERA NIYO SA MAHIHIRAP NA TAO PARA HINDI NA KAYO MAGING INUTIL.
EH KUNG I DONATE NIYO NALANG PERA NIYO SA MAHIHIRAP NA TAO PARA HINDI NA KAYO MAGING INUTIL.
EH KUNG I DONATE NIYO NALANG PERA NIYO SA MAHIHIRAP NA TAO PARA HINDI NA KAYO MAGING INUTIL.
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ok so mukhang nasasatisfy kau pg nagsasalita ng msma ukol ke Eli. so cge, sinungaling sya, nagmumura ng nagmumura tpos kontra kontra nga. o msya n kayo? gusto nio p tlgang magsalita ako ng msma ukol ke Eli dahil sinasabihan ko kau ng sa tingin ko eh mali s inyo?? in short gusto nio din idamay si Eli? bkit b kau naghahanap ng karamay. you should learn to defend ur religion. ano b yan, kung ako ngang hindi ganun kareligious napagtatanggol ko sarili ko, kau p.
and admire your loyalty to your religion ewankosaiyo, you have gained my respect for that!
MY REPLY: kailanman superpwet hindi ko sinabing magsalita ka ng masama ukol ke eli ang sabi ko ano ang komento mo sa paratang niya na ang mga INCs ay mamamatay tao. Mukhang one sided ka kaibigan. you said na sinasabihan mo kami ng mali sa amin, e kung sabihin ko rin kaya sa iyo na mali ka rin dahil hindi ka naniniwala na may Diyos, tanggapin mo kaya iyon? you also said we should learn to defend our religion, the truth is thats exactly what we are doing, kasi for so many years na inaatake ni soriano ang INC ay kailan lang umimik ang pamamahala ng INC pero ang nangyari e kami pa ang kinukuestiyon mo, are you really an atheist or are you siding with soriano?
superpwet said: so in short ur saying that this forums is for people lng na naniniwala s Diyos? is this an act of desperation on your side? you seem like you really want us to leave this site. hey admin! i need your word on this hehe!
oo this forum is for people lang na naniniwala sa Diyos dahil ito talaga ang diwa kaya ginawa ito! at nung una pa man ay sinabi ko na sa iyo na hindi tayo magkakaintindihan dahil magkaiba tayo ng paniniwala!!! akoy may Diyos ikaw naman walang kinikilalang Diyos!
I am not in any desperation or whatsoever pero kung nakakaintindi ka ang forum na ito ay para sa mga taong naniniwalang may Diyos at ang katulad mong hindi naniniwala sa Diyos ay hindi nararapat dito! tutal nag open ang isa naming kapatid ng thread tungkol sa topic na "may Diyos o wala" e patunayan mo muna na walang Diyos dun sa thread na iyun bago mo kami punain!!!
eto ang msasabi ko, pano mo msasabing one sided ako eh kita mong sinasabi ko nga na ayoko din ke Eli? sheesh.. naiintindihan nio b ung previous post ko?? sabi ko wala nga akong kinakampihan, pero ang thought nga nung nsa bible eh batuhin mo ng tinapay! dont disregard that quote because that is the main point here. sheesh paulit ulit n ako haha. i already told u guys na pwdeng gumanti or magdefend in a nice way db? by exposing Eli's lies but without the insult. gusto mo isa pang insult? ung .gif dito sa site na kumakanta sya ng enero pebrero. hindi ba pang iinsulto iyon na labag nga sa quote na batuhin mo ng tinapay? isang added example lng yun. oh my, how many times do i have to explain before you guys get the point. nkakatawa nga na dinedefend nio ung religion nio, by saying things na "bakit sa INC nio lng to gingawa etc etc..bkit hindi sa ADD??".. that's why i posted bad stuff about ADD. bsahin nio ang mga posts niyo, hindi ba mukhang naghahanap nman tlga kau ng karamay?haha..
at bakit hindi tayo magkakaintindihan? dahil ba hindi nio na msagot ung mga post ko? i've answered all your questions very clearly. hindi tulad ng mga sagot mo na "hindi tau magkakaintindihan blah blah"..
and now your saying this site is not for us, then dpat nung cmula plang nung mga thread cnabi mo n yan db, hindi ngayong mukhang nakakawawa na kayo sa mga cnasabi ko. bkit ung Joman winiwelcome nia ako. ang gulo niyo tsong.
and regarding kung may Diyos o wala na thread, nagpopost kmi dun, bka d mo binabasa hehehe..
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hehehe.. so ur wasting ur time huh? then why keep on posting at this forum.. and why keep on watching ANG TAMANG DAAN? if this forum and ATD doesn't satisfy you.. just go on with ur life.. BAKIT APEKTADO KANG MASYADO? u'v said that ur an atheist.. then why on earth ur spending ur time in a forum like this..
superpwet hindi mo ba nabasa ito na nasa bandang itaas! sinabi iyan ng kapanampalataya ko kay sherif atheist at sasabihin ko naman sa iyo! this forum is not for you because youre an atheist! di ka naniniwala sa Diyos pero apektado ka ba sa pagbubunyag namin kay Eliboy?
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yup i missed you L2S.. kc tulad ka n kira na bigla na lang nawawala pagkatapos kong sagutin lhat ng tanong haha.. at kung nagtatanong ka kung bkit ganito kmi s INC lamang, eto lng mssabi ko, nabigay lng saken ang link n ito at nagcomment lng ako nung una, pero msyadong mrming nagreply at nadaloy na lamang ako sa agos. pinapaulit ulit ko s mga post ko na wala akong kinakampihan, although alam nming gustong gusto nio kming igrupo sa ADD..
and moving on...
L2S
Yey!!! You missed me!!!
Hindi po ako nawala ng basta ganun na lang, hindi mo po kasi ako katulad na laging nasa harap ng PC pero I make sure na pagbalik ko ay nasasagot ko ang mga post sa akin.
Yeah right, nadala ka lang ng agos… alam naman ko naman na hindi ka ADD, but the point is that nakiki-sympathy ka kay Eliseo F. Soriano dahil gusto mo eh dapat mas soft or softer iyong ibato sa kaniya, without knowing the whole issue. Magkaibang grupo kayo but you’re on the same side.
All what the INC is doing is giving him (Eliseo F. Soriano) the burden of proof para patunayan ang mga sinasabi nya about the INC and its Administration, eh wala siyang maipakita mula nang magbroadcast ang Ang Tamang Daan… may programa naman sila ng kanila almost 24/7. Ngayon, mali bang sabihin na kasinungalingan ang mga paratang nya? Hindi ba kademonyohan (I don’t know if you believe in devil) iyong pasamain mo ang isang tao na wala ka namang batayan puro imbento lang or bunga lang ng maling unawa para lang bumilib sa iyo ang mga tao? But I know what you are thinking, bakit ganoon din naman ang ginagawa ng INC… Errrr, you are wrong, magkaiba iyon… the whole difference lies on the Evidence.
Question ko lang you may not know the answer now pero you can look and search for the answer treat it as open notes quiz... by the way these are the same questions that I’ve asked you before… the purpose of this is to give you a heads-up on what should have been your comment in the first place.
Nasaan si Eliseo F. Soriano at hindi niya sinasagot ang mga sinasabi mong atake para pasamain siya?
Does this mean na totoo iyon at ayaw nya lang pag-usapan? Example na yung Muslim Issue.
Meron na bang nasagot ang Panel ng ADD specially si Eliseo F. Soriano sa Kontrahan Blues niya?
Ilan out of 700+ and Counting?
Iyong sagot ng INC sa hamon nya sa Debate nasagot na ba nya? Pugutan ng Ulo sa Luneta o nagbibiro lang sya.
How about the one with Authorization Issue?
SuperPwet
ok so first, sinabi mo na lumang issue na ang inuungkat ko, at sabi mo starting 3 months ago, iba na ang topic DAHIL HINDI NA LUMALABAS SA ERE SI ELI. ANG MEANING NUN AY KUNG LUMALABAS PA SIYA AY GANUN PARIN ANG TOPIC, hindi po ba? salamat at sinagot mo nrin ang tanong mo.
L2S
Ok, eh di inaamin mo rin hindi ka na nanonood ng Ang Tamang Daan and your post is actually based on those you said SOME ATD SHOWS IN FULL LENGTH. Tapos kung mag-comment ka as if you know the whole issue between the INC and the ADD. Mukhang as an Atheist hindi mo nasunod ang Guideline #2 through #5 ng Scientific Method… Nag #1 ka tapos nag #6 at #7 ka na agad. Very Good.
SuperPwet
and again, it's obvious that ALL OF YOU ARE AVOIDING THE FACT THAT THE SHOW ATD(nung mga panahong lumalabas pa si Eli s ere) IS ALL ABOUT TWO GUYS INSULTING ELI, LAUGHING AT HIM, TELLING HIM THAT HE'S EVIL ETC ETC.. and i have kept on telling you guys that i think Eli's evil as well, but the fact that INC made that show to insult Eli is against the bible teaching na pag binato ka ng bato, eh batuhin mo ng tinapay. napakasimpleng quote! PERO YOU KEEP ON SAYING IS THIS THE SAME BATO??? ETC ETC... ano bang mahirap intindihin sa quote n iyon??na once na gumanti ka, gumanti ka parin. at mali ang paghihiganti ayon s teaching ng bible. pero ewan ko kung bakit ako eh sinasabihan mo na wala akong alam at putak lng ako ng putak, kung ikaw nga eh napakasimpleng quote eh hindi mo ma-gets??? kahit grade 1 maiintindihan yan eh. pero ang pinipilit mo eh "is it the same bato?" hahaha.. so parang sinasabi mo na ok lng nman ung ganti ng INC kc hindi kasing grabe nung gngawa ni Eli, hindi po ba? pero once again uulitin ko pra maintindihan mo na ang paghihiganti ay mali ayon sa bible. so nagegets mo n b? so ur saying na kailangan ko pa alamin lahat ng history ng INC at ADD pra mkapagkomento ako s nangyayari? alam ko kung ano ang itsura ng paghihiganti kapatid, at yun ang nakikita ko sa parehong kampo. hindi ko na kelangan pag aralan pa ang history niyo pra msabi ko sa sarili ko na nag aaway na ang bawat kampo, na labag sa utos ng bible. ano panonoorin ko p ung binanggit nia about s luneta, authorization issue na sinasabi mo tpos tska ako babalik dito s forums? hahaahaha.. i dnt think it will make any difference to me.. and you cannot understand why i cant answer your question kng about "is it the same bato"?? for crap's sake i've answered it for you over and over again!! oo pra sumaya ka, siguro nga hindi ganun kasing tindi ung ganti ng INC,o ano msya k n? pero db labag prin s utos ng bible ang ganti? so wala rin hehe.
L2S
Ang dami ko ng nasabi ukol dito hanggang ngayon hindi mo parin naiintindihan? Tatagalugin ko na sa pagkakataong ito… Natatandaan mo pa po ba iyong tanong ko sa iyo?
English: How were you able to judge that it was the same (bato rin) as the program of Eliseo F. Soriano does the INC stoop to Eliseo F. Soriano’s level that curses, malign, accused someone without any solid basis?
Tagalog: Papapano nasabi (nahusgahan) na pareho ang ipinupukol (ibinabato) ng INC at ng ADD, bumaba ba sa lebel ni Eliseo F. Soriano ang INC na magmumura, nagmamali, nagaakusa lang ng walang matibay na batayan?
Alam kong ang point mo ay may ibinabato ang ADD at may ibinabato rin ang INC, ang tanong mo mula pa noong una ay imbalido, iyan ang gusto kong sabihin sa iyo… hindi sila bato at hindi rin tinapay. Ang mga bintang ng ADD pagpapamali, pagaakusa ay walang matibay na batayan. Iyan ba ang batong sinasabi mo?
Alam kong sasang-ayon ka bilang ateyista, na kung anong ayaw mong gawin sa iyo huwag mong gawin sa kapwa mo (though hindi ito ang batayan sa Programa ng INC). Ako bilang INC sang-ayon ako dahil nakasulat iyon sa Biblia, ikaw tutol ka ba sa Golden Rule? Yes or No lang iyan.
SuperPwet
and you're telling me that ATD is a one hour program? of course maraming episodes yun eh! duh! pinagmamalaki mo p nga na umabot ng 700plus and counting ung mga mali nia na naibunyag nio? cool! salamat at sinagot mo ulet ang tanong mo hahahaha!!
L2S
Ha ha ha din… Oo isang oras sa isang araw maraming episode palayag mo na isang taon katumbas ng 365 Oras sa isang taon. Ikumpara mo ngayon sa kung ilang beses inaatake ng ADD ang INC, na kung saan ay pwede nilang gamitin pagsagot sa mga Kontradisyon nila. 10 Hour per Day (Ang Dating Daan Program)= 365 Hours per Year, ang ratio ay 1:10.
it doesnt matter if i dont know all the stuff that u asked like the Muslim issue etc etc.. we're talking about the bible teaching here, on how that show ATD did violate that teaching, and on how that show did both good and bad for the people. the good, it showed the people that Eli was a liar(see, im agreeing with you here), and the bad, the INC and ADD are starting to imitate their leaders by fighting childishly against each other. tulad ng sabi ko, hindi pa ba halimbawa sa inyo ang forums na ito? bakit walang sumasagot nito saken? ilang thread dito ang ADD vs INC? walang sumasagot! lahat ng binato nio saken ay sinagot ko, ngunit kayo? ito b ang walang alam at putak lng ng putak? kung ganun ako, ano k p na bigla nlang nawawala at kelangan p kitang tawagin?hehehe.
L2S
I am telling you it matters, and unless malaman mo iyan hindi mo maiintindihan ang mga sinasabi ko… (bumalik ka muna sa assignment ko), mukhang nagiging Biblical ka, are you really an Atheist? Can you please site me the verse that you think the INC violates with the Program Ang Tamang Daan?
Wala bang sumasagot sa iyo… eh kakasabi mo lang kanina maraming nagreply sa iyo. Hindi ba kita sinagot? You should be thankful na binalikan kita, for your sake. Sana binasa mo iyong post ko na kung hindi mo iyong sinagot last post ko na yun sa iyo… Hindi mo sinagot iniwasan mo… ngayon assignment mo iyan. Gamitin mo ang pagka-atheist mo.
SuperPwet
just to add, i dont like what eli is doing with INC as well. that why i keep on saying na its a war between two religions db? i am not an ADD sympathizer in any way.
L2S
Yes, you are! Hindi ba gusto mo na Eliseo F. Soriano should be treated with Kindness or the INC should be soft to him after all of his wrong doing? I am telling you its not about the Bato and Tinapay.
SuperPwet
what am i fighting for? i dont know. i dont think it matters. you guys asked me questions, i answered. why cant you guys just keep on answering my posts. you guys are asking me for my "religious inclination" pra may mhanap kaung butas saken. dahil kung ADD ako, mas mdali ako kontrahin db? that's why you guys like branding us as ADD. but unfortunately for you guys, we're not..^_^
and thanks for branding me as a "star", i feel so special...
L2S
Then it only tells me one thing, nangugulo ka lang. I was expecting a much intelligent answer like you are looking for the truth or you want to know about the INC, but I was wrong, and I have been aligning myself na may pag-asa ka pa. Wala na pa la. I am just talking to a barking dog.
Even my assignment to you, I not hoping for it to be answered anymore, I am posting it so that just in case you want to really reach out… you should have study first and though twice about joining this forum. You are talking bato and tinapay but you don’t understand what you are saying the bible doesn’t contain just the bato and tinapay… in the Bible it also says… Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. Ephesians 5:11 (NIV)
Very well said L2S!! Alas, you are now serious my friend.. Finally, damn you have replied!!
But I can smell some hate from you already..take it easy L2S.
L2S
Hate? And from what Scientific Study did you get it from? He he he he. I am laughing because you as an Atheist don’t seem to practice it here. Let’s get it on!
Sheriff_Atheist
Sorry pero hindi ko kailangan pigilin ang hininga ko para lang sa inyong dalawa. Kayo may problema eh, bat di kayo magharap at pati ako dinadamay mo, balak mo pa ata akong patayin, pati pag-hinga ko na wala namang kinalaman sa topic pinapakailaman mo..
Waaag po!! Maawa na po kayo sa ken!! May anak po ako!!!
Atsaka kung ayaw lumabas ni Eli, di mag request kayo ng kahit sino nalang sa kanila na representative. Ika-nga IF THERE'S A WILL, THEN THERE'S A WAY!!!
L2S
O bakit bigla kang lumabot? Sabi mo… “You two Churches needs a debate in the same moment at the same time WITH A PANEL A JURY AND AN AUDIENCE.” Ni-rephrase ko lang yung sagot ko sa iyo sa kaunaunahang post mo… I don’t think Eliseo F. Soriano will come out so don’t hold your breath.
Sheriff_Atheist
Kung hindi ka ba naman sira eh,pati ako idadamay niyo sa away niyo at gusto mo pa kong mag pick ng isang contradiction kay eli, puwes sabihin niyo yan sa kanya at mag debate kayo sa harap ng media ng sabay!! hindi ako representante ni eli,puto, atsaka yung tinutukoy ko na AUTHENTIC EVIDENCES eh hindi tungkol doon sa pinag putol putol niyong mga aral niya, kundi yung original tape na ako mismo ang nakapanood ng kompleto kay eli. Ayaw ko ng sabihin kung anu yun...wala akong paki alam kay eli, basta ang mahalaga yung TURO NIYA, parang sa inyo, WALA AKONG PAKI ALAM SA INYO, YUNG TURO NIYO LANG ANG MAHALAGA....PERO PAPAANO NGA BA MANINIWALA ANG MGA TAONG INUTIL EH MAS INUTIL PA KAYO SA SENADO.
KUng talagang firm ang evidence niyo at authentic, eh di idaan niyo sa mano y mano na debate laban sa ADD ngayon ay MCGI na... Kung hindi puwede di humanap ng paraan...walang impossible, utak niyo lang ang imposible...kung sinong inutil, ewan ko sa inyong dalawa... AMBOT SA IMONG LUBOT.
L2S
Puto ba kamo. Para ka palang si Eliseo F. Soriano… Ikaw ang galit my sheriff boy.
Ikaw din po kung hindi ka ba naman sira, hindi pa ba Authentic iyong Kopya ng Broadcast ng TV Program, at gusto mo pang mapanood ng buo? Ang programa ni Eliseo F. Soriano ay 10 Hours sa isang araw sa UNTV37 (Ang Dating Daan pa lang yan, hindi pa kasama yung iba) papaano mo pagkakasyahin iyon sa 1 Hour na program? If you’re really concern with the “Turo” sana nakita kita na nagtanong man lang ng Doktina ng INC.
Ok yung suggestion mo, at kung nagbabasa ka lang ng mga post dito sana nakita mo na ganyan na ang ginagawa ng INC, nauubos na ang mga Kasamahan ni Eliseo F. Soriano ayaw nya pang humarap ng maayos sa INC. Iyong paraan na sinasabi mo ay eto ang resulta, iyong mga Miembro ni Eliseo F. Soriano ang sumasagot sa mga Kontradiksyon ng puno nila. Don’t like it??? Tell it to Eliseo F. Soriano and not to us or his members. But since wala ka namang paki-alam, I doubt it.
Sheriff_Atheist
WHAT WE DO CARE IS YOUR TEACHINGS.. . to compare both in one single arena
L2S
How come you are not asking anything about the Teachings? Here is a good place as of now since Eliseo F. Soriano doesn’t want to take up his challenge.
Sheriff_Atheist
At heto pa, hindi naman purket atheist ang isang tao eh close minded nah,gaya mo naman sa sarili mo!! kaya nga gusto ko makita kayong mag debate eh...mano y mano para makita kung sino talaga ang may mas matimbang na utak. At pagkatapos sang aayunan, at baka may makuha akong balato....
Ay may tanong pala sa utak ko, pano ko pala papaniwalan ang kristyano kung sila mismo ay salasalabat ang paniniwala at prinsipyo tungkol sa bibliya...hayan at punong puno na tayo ng iba't ibang sector ng relihiyon...hindi naman ako galit sa mga relihiyon, nagtataka lang kung may "diyos" ba talaga oh "relihiyon" ang diyos ng ibang tao katulad ng INC at ADD na halos inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
L2S
Iyan ang mga tanong, sa wakas!… gusto mo bang biblical na sagot kung bakit salasalabat ang paniniwala at prinsipyo ukol sa Biblia?
Ang Biblia kasi taliwas sa paniniwala ng karamihan gaya mo na ay hindi isang bukas na aklat. (Colossians 1:26) at ang mga sinugo lang ang binigyan ng karapatan na mangaral ng mga salita ng Diyos na nakasulat sa Biblia, (John 17:17-19, Roman 10:15) kung hindi sinugo mali ang matuturo nila dahil hindi nila ito mauunawa kaya ayun iisang Biblia iba-iba ang turo. Ok ba?
Sheriff_Atheist
EH KUNG I DONATE NIYO NALANG PERA NIYO SA MAHIHIRAP NA TAO KEYSA MAG-AIR SA TV NA KUNG ILANG MILYON ANG INAABOT (X1)
inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas. (X18)
EH KUNG I DONATE NIYO NALANG PERA NIYO SA MAHIHIRAP NA TAO PARA HINDI NA KAYO MAGING INUTIL. (X3)
L2S
So ngayon pera naman, akala ko ba sabi mo “WHAT WE DO CARE IS YOUR TEACHINGS”. Ano ba talaga, nahahalata tuloy na nanggugulo ka lang. May-maipost lang kung baga, I told you before, you should look at your motives before posting here or else we are all wasting out time.
At heto pa, hindi naman purket atheist ang isang tao eh close minded nah,gaya mo naman sa sarili mo!! kaya nga gusto ko makita kayong mag debate eh...mano y mano para makita kung sino talaga ang may mas matimbang na utak. At pagkatapos sang aayunan, at baka may makuha akong balato....
Ay may tanong pala sa utak ko, pano ko pala papaniwalan ang kristyano kung sila mismo ay salasalabat ang paniniwala at prinsipyo tungkol sa bibliya...hayan at punong puno na tayo ng iba't ibang sector ng relihiyon...hindi naman ako galit sa mga relihiyon, nagtataka lang kung may "diyos" ba talaga oh "relihiyon" ang diyos ng ibang tao katulad ng INC at ADD na halos inuubos ang pera para lang ma ere sa TV ang mga pangit niyong mukha....pare parehas.
L2S
Iyan ang mga tanong, sa wakas!… gusto mo bang biblical na sagot kung bakit salasalabat ang paniniwala at prinsipyo ukol sa Biblia?
Ang Biblia kasi taliwas sa paniniwala ng karamihan gaya mo na ay hindi isang bukas na aklat. (Colossians 1:26) at ang mga sinugo lang ang binigyan ng karapatan na mangaral ng mga salita ng Diyos na nakasulat sa Biblia, (John 17:17-19, Roman 10:15) kung hindi sinugo mali ang matuturo nila dahil hindi nila ito mauunawa kaya ayun iisang Biblia iba-iba ang turo. Ok ba?
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salamat naman at may nasagot din sa tanong ko....haay,pag katapos ng mahabang paliwanagan ngeon lang nakuha ang motif...Pero salamt ng marami L2S....
Ang Biblia kasi taliwas sa paniniwala ng karamihan gaya mo na ay hindi isang bukas na aklat. (Colossians 1:26) at ang mga sinugo lang ang binigyan ng karapatan na mangaral ng mga salita ng Diyos na nakasulat sa Biblia, (John 17:17-19, Roman 10:15) kung hindi sinugo mali ang matuturo nila dahil hindi nila ito mauunawa kaya ayun iisang Biblia iba-iba ang turo. Ok ba?
I would just like you to know my motives why I open up a thread:
1. Why Christians are fighting against each other; fired by Schisms
2. Positive and Negatives sides of theism
3. To find the truth from one respected church like the INC by joining their healthy forums.
4. To know more all about the logics and reasoning of Christians
5. To show my outmost concern to filipino people by going to each and every forum i find along the way and analyze how I can help.
6. To exercise some of my rights to give my freedom of speech and beliefs as well.
7. To learn a lot, and to be criticized as well.
8. To find why do group of people hates the other group of people who doesn't pass their requirements of Intelligence and beliefs.( example: ADD and INC )
Meron papala akong tanong dati di ba? baka ikaw lang L2S ang makasagot:
Kung hindi maliligtas si eliboy at ang kanyang mga miyembro....anung sense ng Salvation at kailigtasan? Parang kapag ako sakaling maligtas,( example lang po to ha, wag magalit )Parang kapag ako sakaling maligtas at mapunta sa langit, tapos hindi kasama yung bestfriend ko, tapos yung anak ko, tapos wala rin kayo, wala rin yung kaaway ko na may utang pa sa ken ng 19,000 pero pinatawad ko na xa, may sense nga bang maligtas? Bakit hindi pantay pantay ang tingin ng diyos sa mga Christiano kung ang sagot ay OO? Simpleng logic lang po yun, since at least kahit papano parati ko namang naririnig sa simbahan ng katoliko,seventh day adventist,christ the church born again,el shaddai,(TUWANG TUWA AKO SA PANOT NA BRO.MIKE NA YON! LALO NA PAG IKAPU PAG UUSAPAN) etc and tungkol sa kaligtasan at salvation...Siyempre kahit po atheist ang tao, curious parin yan..di mo maiaalis sa nature ng tao yoon...kaya nga daming tsimos't tsismosa eh...pero sana wag mo naman akong isama doon at dahil tungkol naman sa relihiyon ang topic.
Maari mo rin akong sabihing Antitheist pero hindi naman po militant part, implicit lang po...
Nais ko lamang po malaman ang magandang bunga nitong mga programa na ito... yun po ang summary ng motif ko....maraaing nasagot na ito dati.. pero gusto kao lang ulit marinig ang sagot.
Nais ko lamang po malaman ang magandang bunga nitong mga programa na ito...
Nais ko lamang po malaman ang magandang bunga nitong mga programa na ito...
Salamat L2S,
Love you...
So sana maintindihan niyo po ang thread na ginawa ko.
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so L2S is now telling me na sinagot niyo lhat dahil mrming nagreply?? cge cge... oo mrming nagreply pero ang mga sagot nio saken eh puro "hindi tau magkakaintindihan dahil iba tau ng relihiyon" at "alam mo b ung issue about luneta?about the muslim about authorization etc etc"..
isang halimbawa na binigay ko ay ang forums n ito. pero sinagot mo b? tinatanong ko kayo, ilang ADD vs INC b ang thread dito? nabasa mo na ba ang mga komento nila sa isa't isa? pero hindi mo sinagot db? ito ba ang gusto niyong reaksiyon sa bawat kampo? nagtatalo ng nagtatalo tulad ng inyong mga pinuno? mukha naman kayong msya dahil nakakalamang na kayo ngaun dahil sa show n ATD db? kitang kita sa mga thread niyo na nagsasara na daw ADD etc etc at nagpupugay kayong lahat at nagbabastusan ang bwat kampo. 82pages full of different threads at marami dito ay mayroong mga childish na pagtatalo, kaya ko ipakita sau kung gaano kapangit ang sinsabi ng bawat kampo pero wala na akong panahon pa i-copy paste lhat pra ipakita lng sayo at dahil alam ko nmang alam mo na ang pinag gagagawa ng mga kasamahan mo. SO NGAYON UULITIN KO, GUSTO NIYO BANG TIGA INC ANG GANTONG REAKSIYON SA BAWAT KAMPO? AYAW NIYO BA NG MAS MAPAYAPANG DISKUSYON NA WALANG BASTUSAN AT PANG IINSULTO? NABASA MO NA BA KUNG ILANG THREAD ANG ADD VS INC AT NABASA MO NA BA ANG MGA KOMENTO NILA SA ISA'T ISA? BKIT HINDI MO SINAGOT ITO?
binanggit ko ang gif sa forums na ito na si Eli ay ginawang katatawanan? so hindi ba ito uri ng pang iinsulto? pwde bang maiwasan ng admin na ito na ipost yun dahil nakakainsulto? pwde db? pero hindi niyo ginawa, dahil tuwang tuwa kayo at napapahiya si Eli db? so kayo pala ang mga alagad ng Diyos? hahahaha. o bakit hindi ka nagcomment tungkol dito sa sinabi ko? SO UULITIN KO, HINDI BA GINAWANG KATATAWANAN SI ELI SA PICTURE NA IYON? AT PWDE BNG INIWASAN NA LANG SANA NG INC IYON? NATUTUWA BA ANG INC SA MGA GANUNG PICTURES NA NAKAKAINSULTO?
isa pa, pwde bang magsiwalat ang INC ng mga maling aral ni Eli ng walang insulto? hindi mo sinagot yan db? or d ka nagcomment about that db? kaung dlwa ni ewankosaiyo hindi kayo nagccomment about this. All you keep on babbling about is that i'm saying that "INC should be softer" etc etc at ihanay ako bilang isang ADD sympathizer. All im trying to say ay pwde namang isiwalat ng maayos at walang pang iinsulto.per hindi niyo parin magets db? inuulit ulit niyo na napakasama ni soriano blah blah. ngayon itatanong ko ulet, PWDE BA ISIWALAT ANG MGA KAMALIAN NI ELI NG WALANG PANG IINSULTO?
so ngayon sinasabi mong lahat ng pang iinsultong ito ay justified dahil sa quote na "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. Ephesians 5:11 (NIV)"?? you make me laugh my friend. does it even show them to expose them and throw a lot of insults towards those evil people!!! you know in your heart that throwing insults is wrong. even as children we were taught to be nice to people and forgiving. but i guess you people aren't. i thought you guys were meant to save people and convert them to your religion. but you know what you did? you've changed my mind and showed me how close minded you people are. pra sa inyo, everything that your leaders do is right! kaya nga sabi ni ewankosaiyo, susundin nia daw lhat ng pasya ng puno nio. if there was anyone who's hopeless, it's you not me. hindi ako biased mag isip hindi tulad niyo. buti p nga si ewankosaiyo mukhang natatanggap nia n ang lahat kaya pinapalayas nia nlang ako hahahah. hindi tulad mo na puro sagot eh napanood mo n b ung s luneta? muslim issue? pra magmukha kang maalam hehehe.. so ur that good with the bible ha! sige tulungan mo ang iyong mga kapatid:
so u think i need the scientific method that you're talking about to notice the things that both sides are doing? you're very wrong my friend. kahit mga taong hindi edukado eh makikitang nagbabangayan ang bawat kampo. binanggit ko ito s previous post ko na alam ko ang itsura ng paghihiganti. hindi ko n kelangan pag aralan p lhat ng sinasabi mo. so kawawa nman ang mga dukhang walang pinag aralan sayo dahil hindi sila pwdeng mkipagdebate about religion sayo dahil wala tlga clang tv o libro at hindi nila napanood ung mga napanood mo. my points are simple my friend. we dont need a genius here to figure what im talking about. so ung kaalaman mo sa history ng rivalry ng ADD at INC b ang nagjjustify na mas maalam k saken?haha. you guys seem to know a lot about the bible, BUT FAIL TO PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. example n nga ung mga pinuno niyo plang, as stated ko sa examples above. o cge mag post k ng video nung mga sinasabi mong inaakusa ni Eli s inyo pra matahimik k na, tpos papanoorin ko. eto lng masasabi ko, preho prin ang sasabihin ko sau pagkatapos kong panoorin un.. my point is focused on revenge and kindness. but you dont seem to get it. you keep on babbling about kademonyohan ni Eli. you guys are so obssessed with Eli that i think pag isang kumpol na INC nakita si Eli nag iisa sa daan malamang binugbog niyo n eh hahahaha.
so u think na nanggugulo lng ako dito? kung ganon eh dpat banned n ako ng admin db? pero bkit hinde? dahil kung cno man ang unbiased na tao na magbabasa ng discussion ntin ay msasabing may point ako. yeah maybe im just a barking dog, but at least i know what's wrong and what's right, unlike you people who go on to different places preaching "the word of God" but dont even know how to follow what they preach. you tell people to show kindness to everyone and but then you guys have fun insulting people as well. what do u call those types of people? hypocrites??
so ngayon sinong kelangan ng assignment? kayo nga ata hindi marunong magbasa dahil ang dami kong sinabi na hindi nio kinumentuhan. o bka iniiwasan niyo sagutin ?? hehehhe... you know what, you should even be happy na ang tinuturo ko sa inyo ay sundin ang bibliyang binabasa niyo. ang nkklungkot lang, ako pa ang nagtuturo sa inyo eh dpat kayo ang nagsasagawa nian?
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If we exposed wrong doctrine of Eli Soriano that does not mean we are throwing insult on him. Exposing wrong teaching is not an insult, we used his term as "siraulo" or "kontra-kontra" or "kasama ko ang Dios kay ako ay Dios na rin" those was his own yardstick in measuring other preachers.
If Eli Soriano says "kahit isang baranggay ang Dios eh ano ngayon?" then he is measuring himself according to his yardstick.
If your intention is really to help Filipinos be aware of their sorroundings, you should also see that Eli Soriano is nothing but a preacher whose doctrine is based on wrong interpretation of the Bible and amassing wealth for his own self and not for his members. Official Philippine document will further attest that all assets was in the name of Eli Soriano and not to his religious movement. Vast hectares of lands, building structures and businesses are all in his name and his religious movement only owns nothing but the debts Eli Soriano has incurred for what he called their religious programs and mission
"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
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for craps' sake do i have to repeat myself? again and again?
like i said i understand where you guys are coming from. i know Eli's evil, but once again you guys avoided the examples and the explanations that i have given about the insults!!! i have already explained why i think the way INC exposed the lies of Eli is wrong. i already gave examples dude.
do me a favor, read my previous posts and understand it.
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Hey dude this is a forum for Eli Soriano's wrong teaching.
Don't stop people here from exposing him. So you are telling us that if we see evil, we shall keep mum and shrug off? HAHAHA that's "inutil"
"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
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The thread starter must be inutil then, so was his tsuwariwaps' He created a thread to spark a word fight and he can't even sustain the flame what a crap
"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
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Hey dude this is a forum for Eli Soriano's wrong teaching.
Don't stop people here from exposing him. So you are telling us that if we see evil, we shall keep mum and shrug off? HAHAHA that's "inutil"
ANG MSASABI KO:
tulad ng sinabi ko, walang problema kung iexpose ng INC ang ADD, pero ang paraan na ginagawa niyo ay pang iinsulto ng sobra ay labag sa tinuturo niyo. i know this forum is for exposing Eli, but i gave an example about the GIF pic of the Eli band and ATD laughing their asses off while insulting Eli, but you guys OBVIOUSLY ignore those ideas that i pointed out because you guys cant answer it. as i told you, INC can do it in a nicer way, but all you guys find happiness in insulting Eli 24/7. in which i said that it's very uncharacteristic for a man of God. But you guys keep on answering like a bunch of brainwashed dudes. Well if you still didn't understand my post, let me post it again for you:
so L2S is now telling me na sinagot niyo lhat dahil mrming nagreply?? cge cge... oo mrming nagreply pero ang mga sagot nio saken eh puro "hindi tau magkakaintindihan dahil iba tau ng relihiyon" at "alam mo b ung issue about luneta?about the muslim about authorization etc etc"..
isang halimbawa na binigay ko ay ang forums n ito. pero sinagot mo b? tinatanong ko kayo, ilang ADD vs INC b ang thread dito? nabasa mo na ba ang mga komento nila sa isa't isa? pero hindi mo sinagot db? ito ba ang gusto niyong reaksiyon sa bawat kampo? nagtatalo ng nagtatalo tulad ng inyong mga pinuno? mukha naman kayong msya dahil nakakalamang na kayo ngaun dahil sa show n ATD db? kitang kita sa mga thread niyo na nagsasara na daw ADD etc etc at nagpupugay kayong lahat at nagbabastusan ang bwat kampo. 82pages full of different threads at marami dito ay mayroong mga childish na pagtatalo, kaya ko ipakita sau kung gaano kapangit ang sinsabi ng bawat kampo pero wala na akong panahon pa i-copy paste lhat pra ipakita lng sayo at dahil alam ko nmang alam mo na ang pinag gagagawa ng mga kasamahan mo. SO NGAYON UULITIN KO, GUSTO NIYO BANG TIGA INC ANG GANTONG REAKSIYON SA BAWAT KAMPO? AYAW NIYO BA NG MAS MAPAYAPANG DISKUSYON NA WALANG BASTUSAN AT PANG IINSULTO? NABASA MO NA BA KUNG ILANG THREAD ANG ADD VS INC AT NABASA MO NA BA ANG MGA KOMENTO NILA SA ISA'T ISA? BKIT HINDI MO SINAGOT ITO?
binanggit ko ang gif sa forums na ito na si Eli ay ginawang katatawanan? so hindi ba ito uri ng pang iinsulto? pwde bang maiwasan ng admin na ito na ipost yun dahil nakakainsulto? pwde db? pero hindi niyo ginawa, dahil tuwang tuwa kayo at napapahiya si Eli db? so kayo pala ang mga alagad ng Diyos? hahahaha. o bakit hindi ka nagcomment tungkol dito sa sinabi ko? SO UULITIN KO, HINDI BA GINAWANG KATATAWANAN SI ELI SA PICTURE NA IYON? AT PWDE BNG INIWASAN NA LANG SANA NG INC IYON? NATUTUWA BA ANG INC SA MGA GANUNG PICTURES NA NAKAKAINSULTO?
isa pa, pwde bang magsiwalat ang INC ng mga maling aral ni Eli ng walang insulto? hindi mo sinagot yan db? or d ka nagcomment about that db? kaung dlwa ni ewankosaiyo hindi kayo nagccomment about this. All you keep on babbling about is that i'm saying that "INC should be softer" etc etc at ihanay ako bilang isang ADD sympathizer. All im trying to say ay pwde namang isiwalat ng maayos at walang pang iinsulto.per hindi niyo parin magets db? inuulit ulit niyo na napakasama ni soriano blah blah. ngayon itatanong ko ulet, PWDE BA ISIWALAT ANG MGA KAMALIAN NI ELI NG WALANG PANG IINSULTO?
so ngayon sinasabi mong lahat ng pang iinsultong ito ay justified dahil sa quote na "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. Ephesians 5:11 (NIV)"?? you make me laugh my friend. does it even show them to expose them and throw a lot of insults towards those evil people!!! you know in your heart that throwing insults is wrong. even as children we were taught to be nice to people and forgiving. but i guess you people aren't. i thought you guys were meant to save people and convert them to your religion. but you know what you did? you've changed my mind and showed me how close minded you people are. pra sa inyo, everything that your leaders do is right! kaya nga sabi ni ewankosaiyo, susundin nia daw lhat ng pasya ng puno nio. if there was anyone who's hopeless, it's you not me. hindi ako biased mag isip hindi tulad niyo. buti p nga si ewankosaiyo mukhang natatanggap nia n ang lahat kaya pinapalayas nia nlang ako hahahah. hindi tulad mo na puro sagot eh napanood mo n b ung s luneta? muslim issue? pra magmukha kang maalam hehehe.. so ur that good with the bible ha! sige tulungan mo ang iyong mga kapatid:
so u think i need the scientific method that you're talking about to notice the things that both sides are doing? you're very wrong my friend. kahit mga taong hindi edukado eh makikitang nagbabangayan ang bawat kampo. binanggit ko ito s previous post ko na alam ko ang itsura ng paghihiganti. hindi ko n kelangan pag aralan p lhat ng sinasabi mo. so kawawa nman ang mga dukhang walang pinag aralan sayo dahil hindi sila pwdeng mkipagdebate about religion sayo dahil wala tlga clang tv o libro at hindi nila napanood ung mga napanood mo. my points are simple my friend. we dont need a genius here to figure what im talking about. so ung kaalaman mo sa history ng rivalry ng ADD at INC b ang nagjjustify na mas maalam k saken?haha. you guys seem to know a lot about the bible, BUT FAIL TO PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. example n nga ung mga pinuno niyo plang, as stated ko sa examples above. o cge mag post k ng video nung mga sinasabi mong inaakusa ni Eli s inyo pra matahimik k na, tpos papanoorin ko. eto lng masasabi ko, preho prin ang sasabihin ko sau pagkatapos kong panoorin un.. my point is focused on revenge and kindness. but you dont seem to get it. you keep on babbling about kademonyohan ni Eli. you guys are so obssessed with Eli that i think pag isang kumpol na INC nakita si Eli nag iisa sa daan malamang binugbog niyo n eh hahahaha.
so u think na nanggugulo lng ako dito? kung ganon eh dpat banned n ako ng admin db? pero bkit hinde? dahil kung cno man ang unbiased na tao na magbabasa ng discussion ntin ay msasabing may point ako. yeah maybe im just a barking dog, but at least i know what's wrong and what's right, unlike you people who go on to different places preaching "the word of God" but dont even know how to follow what they preach. you tell people to show kindness to everyone and but then you guys have fun insulting people as well. what do u call those types of people? hypocrites??
so ngayon sinong kelangan ng assignment? kayo nga ata hindi marunong magbasa dahil ang dami kong sinabi na hindi nio kinumentuhan. o bka iniiwasan niyo sagutin ?? hehehhe... you know what, you should even be happy na ang tinuturo ko sa inyo ay sundin ang bibliyang binabasa niyo. ang nkklungkot lang, ako pa ang nagtuturo sa inyo eh dpat kayo ang nagsasagawa nian?
kung idedefend mo nlang si L2S, lubus lubusin mo n! eh bkit cnasagot mo lng ung mga gusto mo lng? and you ignore the examples that i point out. is that what you call ducking?
STOP DUCKING AND JUST ANSWER THE WHOLE POST...
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"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
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So please stop the crap, and stop multiplying identity here.
"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
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i've already answered your posts about that here in this thread. you dont seem to be paying attention to my posts. It's basically the same thing that we're talking about so i dont need to make the same responses to 2 threads. dont worry i won't duck like you:
Hey Eagles' Eye. Why refer him to that thread when you can answer the question right now? How hard can it be? Stop making excuses man! Geeezzz....
MY REPLY:
simple. it's because he can't answer my questions. so he'll now resort to ducking it by changing the subject and by referring to another thread. this is one form of ducking that Eagle is a master in.
So please stop the crap, and stop multiplying identity here.
MY REPLY:
dude i work in a company where there is thousands of people and the company uses only one IP. if you don't believe me then don't. I will ask stinky to stop posting so that you won't refer to me as a "cheater". and my question, why need trace my IP? why not just answer my questions? your just finding something that you can blast me about because you know you are losing and ducking a lot of our responses.
NOW ANSWER MY REPLIES ON THIS THREAD!
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I did not know that a company with a thousand users can now use an anonymous proxy service????
Hard to believe the story dude
"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
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You should post like your conscience dictates you.
Cheat Cheat Cheat Cheat
"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
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STOP THE ACCUSATIONS AND JUST TRACE THE IP AND SEE THAT IT'S FROM ONE COMPANY. WHAY AREN'T YOU DOING IT THEN? IT'S BECAUSE IT WILL PROVE THAT YOUR ACCUSATIONS DONT CARRY ANY WEIGHT AT ALL.
IF YOU WANT TO BET MONEY THAT THE IP IS FROM ONE COMPANY, THEN LET'S DO IT! HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO BET? IF YOU CHICKEN OUT ON THIS BET, THIS WILL JUST MEAN THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE. COME ON BET A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND I'LL PROVE TO YOU THAT THIS IP IS FROM ONE COMPANY ONLY.
ALL YOU HAVE ARE ACCUSATIONS WITH NO WEIGHT. AND STOP DUCKING PLEASE. YOUR DUCKING TECHNIQUES WILL NOT HELP YOU IN THE LONG RUN.
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im waiting for your reply Eagle Eye! dual logins eh?
trace the those IP's that you have and you will see that it's from one company.
thus the reason why we have the same IP address. you keep on telling me that im a liar? then like i said, trace the IP man. gimme your price! there's no way we can change our IP here. talk to our IT admin and maybe they can help you with that haha.
AND MOST OF ALL, BETTER START ANSWERING OUR POSTS DUCKER!!!
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HAMON KO SA IGLESIA NI KRISTO "LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BIBLE INTERPRETATIONS AND DOCTRINES"
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January 31 2007, 3:05 AM
Hello everyone:
Para naman po hindi niyo sabihing nanggulo lang ako,
Nais ko pong mag open ng mga tanong sa inyo tungkol sa bibliya at aral/doktrina niyo.
Hindi na rin po ako nag bukas ng panibagong thread kasi lalo pang gugulo nag FORUM na ito.
Alam ko po ang layunin niyo na i-expose si eliboy at ang kanyang contradiction at kabobohan.
Narinig ko na po lahat.
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Nais ko rin po marinig ang ibang komento niyo po tungkol sa 5 PUP Students na namatay (siyempre pinatay )sa LOOB ng KAPILYA NG IGLESIA NI KRISTO SA STA.ANA,
Sana po ay makatuwiran ang mga sagot niyo at hindi komentong BOBO.
Nais ko rin pong malaman kung bakit ayaw niyong si Eranyo Manalo ang makipag debate kay eliboy.
Di ba puno sa puno ang hamon nila????
Nais ko rin pong malaman kung bakit ayaw niyong si Eranyo Manalo ang makipag debate kay eliboy.
Di ba puno sa puno ang hamon nila????
Nais ko rin pong malaman kung bakit ayaw niyong si Eranyo Manalo ang makipag debate kay eliboy.
Di ba puno sa puno ang hamon nila????
Nais ko rin pong malaman kung bakit ayaw niyong si Eranyo Manalo ang makipag debate kay eliboy.
Di ba puno sa puno ang hamon nila????
Ngeon po ang nais ko tuklasin ay ang tamang doktrina.
Ngeon po ang nais ko po malaman ang doktrina niyo.
Ngeon po para hindi na ko kelangan mag text sa ANG TAMANG DAAN, marahil mas madali dito sa forums ngeon alam kong may matinong sasagot tulad ni L2S kesa sa Ang Tamang Daan.
Ayaw ko po munang pumunta sa inyong LOKAL na kapilya kasi sa totoo lang natatakot ako lalo na sa mga naririnig kong usapan sa radyo at TV at dahil narinig ko noon sa radyo ang komentong ito:
"ALAM NIYO BA KAPAG IGLESIO NI KRISTO ANG MARINIG MO, TYAK YUN PATAYAN!!!"
kaya hanggang ngeon po na truama ata ako.
"ALAM NIYO BA ANG NAGYARI SA LIMANG PUP STUDS NA PINASLANG SA LOOB NG KAPILYA NILA?"
Kaya sana po ay maintindihan niyo ako.
At pag nasagot niyo po ng matalino/matino ay aanib po ako sa INC at maniniwala na kong totoo ang diyos.
At pag nasagot niyo po ng matalino/matino ay aanib po ako sa INC at maniniwala na kong totoo ang diyos.
At pag nasagot niyo po ng matalino/matino ay aanib po ako sa INC at maniniwala na kong totoo ang diyos.
At pag nasagot niyo po ng matalino/matino ay aanib po ako sa INC at maniniwala na kong totoo ang diyos.
Mag papadoktrina po ako sa inyo ORA MISMO!!
OKAY BA ANG HAMON KO?
UNANG TOPIC:
**Ang Biblia kasi taliwas sa paniniwala ng karamihan gaya mo na ay hindi isang bukas na aklat. (Colossians 1:26) at ang mga sinugo lang ang binigyan ng karapatan na mangaral ng mga salita ng Diyos na nakasulat sa Biblia, (John 17:17-19, Roman 10:15) kung hindi sinugo mali ang matuturo nila dahil hindi nila ito mauunawa kaya ayun iisang Biblia iba-iba ang turo. Ok ba? ***
yan po ang kataga ni L2S tungkol sa tamang pagbasa ng biblia.
Nagsaliksik po ako at nagbasa ng bibliya.
Marahil ay napansin niyo na medyo matagal din akong hindi nakapag post dito sa forums niyo.
pero ingles na KJV po ang nabasa ko kasi walang akong tagalog na bibliya at wala akong alam na KJV FILIPINO VERSION.
Heto po ang nakasaad:
COLOSSIANS 1:11-29
1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
1:4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
1:7 As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister of Christ;
1:8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.
1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
1:11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
JOHN 17:1-26
17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
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Re: HAMON KO SA IGLESIA NI KRISTO "LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BIBLE INTERPRETATIONS AND DOCTRINES&quo
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January 31 2007, 3:21 AM
ROMAN 10:15
10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
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Re: HAMON KO SA IGLESIA NI KRISTO "LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BIBLE INTERPRETATIONS AND DOCTRINES&quo
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January 31 2007, 3:44 AM
NGEON PONG NA ISULAT KO NA NG MANO Y MANO ANG KING JAMES VERSION,
Ang kapatid na L2S ang nag paliwanag ng ganito:
L2S
Ang Biblia kasi taliwas sa paniniwala ng karamihan gaya mo na ay hindi isang bukas na aklat. (Colossians 1:26) at ang mga sinugo lang ang binigyan ng karapatan na mangaral ng mga salita ng Diyos na nakasulat sa Biblia, (John 17:17-19, Roman 10:15) kung hindi sinugo mali ang matuturo nila dahil hindi nila ito mauunawa kaya ayun iisang Biblia iba-iba ang turo.
SHERIFF ATHEIST:
at sana ay nabasa niyo ng buo ang pinag hirapan kong itype mula sa biblia.
at ni isa ay walang nakasulat na SUGO lang or MINISTERS/PREACHERS ang binigyan ng KARAPATAN/RIGHTS sa pagbabasa at pag interprete nito... saang verse mo ba yon nabasa kapatid na L2S??
PAKISAGOT LANG PO ANG UNANG TANONG NG MAAYOS. PKI SULAT NA RIN YUNG ISAKTONG SALITA VERBATIM "WORD PER WORD"
ang aking hamon:
contradiction ba ito sa ISAIAH 34:16.
34:1 Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
34:2 For the indignation of the LORD [is] upon all nations, and [his] fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
34:3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling [fig] from the fig tree.
34:5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, [and] with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.
34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
34:8 For [it is] the day of the LORD'S vengeance, [and] the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.
34:10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.
34:11 But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness.
34:12 They shall call the nobles thereof to the kingdom, but none [shall be] there, and all her princes shall be nothing.
34:13 And thorns shall come up in her palaces, nettles and brambles in the fortresses thereof: and it shall be an habitation of dragons, [and] a court for owls.
34:14 The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.
34:15 There shall the great owl make her nest, and lay, and hatch, and gather under her shadow: there shall the vultures also be gathered, every one with her mate.
34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
34:17 And he hath cast the lot for them, and his hand hath divided it unto them by line: they shall possess it for ever, from generation to generation shall they dwell therein.
Baka po hindi niyo na-intindihan eh, uulitin ko lang po yung specific verse na utos:
34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
SEEK YE OUT OF THE BOOK OF THE LORD, READ
READ
READ
READ
READ
READ:
NO ONE OF THESE SHALL FAIL,
NONE SHALL WANT HER MATE;
FOR MY MOUTH IT HATH COMMANDED, AND HIS SPIRIT IT HATH GATHERED.
FOR MY MOUTH IT HATH COMMANDED, AND HIS SPIRIT IT HATH GATHERED.
Tapos kanino po pa ba sinasabi ito: basahin ulit niyo sa umpisa nung chpater para maintindihan niyo po, sige na nga isulat ko na nga ulit:
34:1 Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
COME NEAR, YE NATIONS<<< TO HEAR;
AND HEARKEN *YE PEOPLE*;
LET THE EARTH HEAR
AND ALL THAT IS THEREIN;
THE WORLD
THE WORLD,
AND ALL THINGS SOME FORTH FOR IT.
malinaw po na "WORD PER WORD" na sa lahat ng nation MAKINIG diba?
Isang topic palang po yan ha...
Matagal ko pong sinaliksik yan, dalawang araw walang tulugan.
Salamat po.
Pakisagot lang po ng maayos.
LOVE Y'ALL.
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Re: HAMON KO SA IGLESIA NI KRISTO "LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BIBLE INTERPRETATIONS AND DOCTRINES&quo
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January 31 2007, 4:06 AM
hindi narin po muna ako mag kokomento tungkol sa SCIENCE at BIBLE, gusto ko munang isa isa lang ang banat. Kapag kasi Science and bible mas mahabang usapan eh.... at alam naman nating lahat na ang ginagamit nating computer, microphone, ilaw kuryente, TV, at iba pa ay likha ng mga sayantists at hindi mga apostol,propheta at sugo.....
mababaw na talakayan yan eh.... dahil masyadong malalim ang bibliya at maraming nagawa ang science...
sana nabasa niyo na ang hamon ko para sa IGLESIA NI KRISTO KAY FELIX MANALO.
Salamat po,
SHERIFF ATHEIST
Richard.
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salamat naman at may nasagot din sa tanong ko....haay,pag katapos ng mahabang paliwanagan ngeon lang nakuha ang motif...Pero salamt ng marami L2S....
L2S
Walang ano man, kasi hindi mo agad nililinaw ang pakay mo… INUTIL agad ang post po gayung wala ka naman palang alam sa nakikita mo. Ngayon ka lang kasi nagtanong ng diretso kaya ngayon ka lang nasagot ng maayos. Pero bago tayo mag patuloy nais ko munang malaman kung nakuntento ka sa sagot at maliwanag sa iyo ang sagot ko kahit hindi mo pa sampalatayanan ngayon.
Ituloy mo lang ang mga Tanong mo ukol sa INC, Religion at tiyak hindi lang ako ang sasagot sa iyo ng maayos, hindi iyong mangaatake ka agad.
Sheriff Atheist
I would just like you to know my motives why I open up a thread:
1. Why Christians are fighting against each other; fired by Schisms
2. Positive and Negatives sides of theism
3. To find the truth from one respected church like the INC by joining their healthy forums.
4. To know more all about the logics and reasoning of Christians
5. To show my outmost concern to filipino people by going to each and every forum i find along the way and analyze how I can help.
6. To exercise some of my rights to give my freedom of speech and beliefs as well.
7. To learn a lot, and to be criticized as well.
8. To find why do group of people hates the other group of people who doesn't pass their requirements of Intelligence and beliefs.( example: ADD and INC )
L2S
Finaly nagsalita din after ilang post kakasagot sa INUTIL post, kung inumpisahan mo ng maayos at dumeretso ka agad sa mga Motives at Tanong mo di sana naging ganon ang reaction sa iyo ng mga tao dito. You cannot just walk right in and say INUTIL, INUTIL, INUTIL, Do you think na makukuha mo ang motives mo kung ganun ang approach mo? Yung freedom of speech pwede pa.
Anyway, we may not have all the answers but sure we’re gonna try to please you while you enjoy your stay, hope you’ll have a nice exit.
Sheriff Atheist
Meron papala akong tanong dati di ba? baka ikaw lang L2S ang makasagot:
L2S
Ok, I’ll try to answer them as much as possible… I’ll will breakdown your question para madali, lets set all thing to possibilities, got to have a little faith para naman maintindihan mo ang sagot.
SA: Kung hindi maliligtas si eliboy at ang kanyang mga miyembro....anung sense ng Salvation at kailigtasan?
L2S: Ang salvation ay walang pinipili (open for all people including you) pero may mga requirements na dapat mong sundin. Isa na ang Faith.
SA: Parang kapag ako sakaling maligtas,( example lang po to ha, wag magalit )Parang kapag ako sakaling maligtas at mapunta sa langit, tapos hindi kasama yung bestfriend ko, tapos yung anak ko, tapos wala rin kayo, wala rin yung kaaway ko na may utang pa sa ken ng 19,000 pero pinatawad ko na xa, may sense nga bang maligtas?
L2S: Meron. I used to have this kind of question… when I broke up with my GF (matagal na to) dahil hindi siya INC. I was with a narrow mind, and then I asked it in a different view. My Question is… Salvation from what? and why?
SA: Bakit hindi pantay pantay ang tingin ng diyos sa mga Christiano kung ang sagot ay OO?
L2S: Masyadong broad ang salitang “tingin ng Diyos” pero in general pantay-pantay ang tingin ng Diyos sa lahat ng tao at lahat ay pwedeng maligatas including you… but the thing is merong nasasabing Kristiano pero hindi naman pala sila totoong Kristiano.
Sheriff Atheist
Simpleng logic lang po yun, since at least kahit papano parati ko namang naririnig sa simbahan ng katoliko,seventh day adventist,christ the church born again,el shaddai,(TUWANG TUWA AKO SA PANOT NA BRO.MIKE NA YON! LALO NA PAG IKAPU PAG UUSAPAN) etc and tungkol sa kaligtasan at salvation...Siyempre kahit po atheist ang tao, curious parin yan..di mo maiaalis sa nature ng tao yoon...kaya nga daming tsimos't tsismosa eh...pero sana wag mo naman akong isama doon at dahil tungkol naman sa relihiyon ang topic.
L2S
Yup, simpleng logic lang pero sabi ko nga you got to have a little faith. Ngayon pwede bang ako naman ang magtanong sa iyo??? Kung ok lang pakisagot naman. ..
What do you think caused the creation of everything now?
What do you think caused the existence of life?
Is there a purpose for the emergence of life?
What do you think will happen after a person dies and looses his life?
Do you think that there is a possibility that there’s Life after Death?
Do you believe that all of life is meaningless?
Does Evolutional Theories disprove that there is a God? How?
What is your personal reason that you deny the existence of God?
Sheriff Atheist
Maari mo rin akong sabihing Antitheist pero hindi naman po militant part, implicit lang po...
Nais ko lamang po malaman ang magandang bunga nitong mga programa na ito... yun po ang summary ng motif ko....maraaing nasagot na ito dati.. pero gusto kao lang ulit marinig ang sagot.
Nais ko lamang po malaman ang magandang bunga nitong mga programa na ito...
Nais ko lamang po malaman ang magandang bunga nitong mga programa na ito...
L2S
He he.. Motif… kelan ba ang kasal. Joke! Aling programa ba ang tinutukoy mo? Regarding your Latest post… I’ll try to answer you later, much better kung may bagong thread, everybody will agree to that.
so L2S is now telling me na sinagot niyo lhat dahil mrming nagreply?? cge cge... oo mrming nagreply pero ang mga sagot nio saken eh puro "hindi tau magkakaintindihan dahil iba tau ng relihiyon" at "alam mo b ung issue about luneta?about the muslim about authorization etc etc"..
L2S
Ha ha ha???… tingnan mo nga ang sarili mo… hanggang ngayon hindi mo parin naiintindihan. Ayaw mo kasi.
SuperPwet
isang halimbawa na binigay ko ay ang forums n ito. pero sinagot mo b? tinatanong ko kayo, ilang ADD vs INC b ang thread dito? nabasa mo na ba ang mga komento nila sa isa't isa? pero hindi mo sinagot db? ito ba ang gusto niyong reaksiyon sa bawat kampo? nagtatalo ng nagtatalo tulad ng inyong mga pinuno? mukha naman kayong msya dahil nakakalamang na kayo ngaun dahil sa show n ATD db? kitang kita sa mga thread niyo na nagsasara na daw ADD etc etc at nagpupugay kayong lahat at nagbabastusan ang bwat kampo. 82pages full of different threads at marami dito ay mayroong mga childish na pagtatalo, kaya ko ipakita sau kung gaano kapangit ang sinsabi ng bawat kampo pero wala na akong panahon pa i-copy paste lhat pra ipakita lng sayo at dahil alam ko nmang alam mo na ang pinag gagagawa ng mga kasamahan mo. SO NGAYON UULITIN KO, GUSTO NIYO BANG TIGA INC ANG GANTONG REAKSIYON SA BAWAT KAMPO? AYAW NIYO BA NG MAS MAPAYAPANG DISKUSYON NA WALANG BASTUSAN AT PANG IINSULTO? NABASA MO NA BA KUNG ILANG THREAD ANG ADD VS INC AT NABASA MO NA BA ANG MGA KOMENTO NILA SA ISA'T ISA? BKIT HINDI MO SINAGOT ITO?
L2S
Gusto ba namin na ganyan ang mangyari? Hindi, I am sure nainiwala ka sa “course of nature”… ang nangyari lumalabas lang na ganyan (para sa iyo) dahil ayaw ni Eliseo F. Soriano sumagot, kung pumayag si Eliseo F. Soriano na humarap sa INC eh di na tapos na. Gusto ba namin na Mga Miembro lang ni Eliseo F. Soriano ang sumagot sa mga Kontradiksyon niya mismo, masaya pa nga ako dahil yung mga ADD at least nagta-try ipagtangol ang samahan nila pero si Eliseo F. Soriano, asan? Sino rin ang maysabi na ayaw naming ng mapayapang diskusyon? Sino ba ang may gusto na Binabastos at Inisulto ka ng kapwa mo… ikaw lang kung pagbabatayan ang post mo, ayaw mo ring magpatalo at aminin na may batayan din ang INC kung bakit kailangan nilang “batuhin” ang ADD.
SuperPwet
binanggit ko ang gif sa forums na ito na si Eli ay ginawang katatawanan? so hindi ba ito uri ng pang iinsulto? pwde bang maiwasan ng admin na ito na ipost yun dahil nakakainsulto? pwde db? pero hindi niyo ginawa, dahil tuwang tuwa kayo at napapahiya si Eli db? so kayo pala ang mga alagad ng Diyos? hahahaha. o bakit hindi ka nagcomment tungkol dito sa sinabi ko? SO UULITIN KO, HINDI BA GINAWANG KATATAWANAN SI ELI SA PICTURE NA IYON? AT PWDE BNG INIWASAN NA LANG SANA NG INC IYON? NATUTUWA BA ANG INC SA MGA GANUNG PICTURES NA NAKAKAINSULTO?
L2S
Eh di nakiki-simpatya ka nga kay Eliseo F. Soriano na itigil ang mga ginawa ng INC sa kanya samantalang tuloy parin siya. I am telling you this will can be settled, result lang ito ng pagiwas ni Eliseo F. Soriano, iyong iba maaring masakit pero TOTOO iyon. Kung feeling nya naiinsulto siya patunayan nya na mali ang mga sinasabi ng INC. LUMABAS siya, hindi yung ikaw ang magtangol sa kanya.
SuperPwet
isa pa, pwde bang magsiwalat ang INC ng mga maling aral ni Eli ng walang insulto? hindi mo sinagot yan db? or d ka nagcomment about that db? kaung dlwa ni ewankosaiyo hindi kayo nagccomment about this. All you keep on babbling about is that i'm saying that "INC should be softer" etc etc at ihanay ako bilang isang ADD sympathizer. All im trying to say ay pwde namang isiwalat ng maayos at walang pang iinsulto.per hindi niyo parin magets db? inuulit ulit niyo na napakasama ni soriano blah blah. ngayon itatanong ko ulet, PWDE BA ISIWALAT ANG MGA KAMALIAN NI ELI NG WALANG PANG IINSULTO?
L2S
Ako ba ang kausap mo ukol kung pwedeng magsiwalat ng walang insulto? Check mo uli… Pero para sagutin kita eto… pwede at ginagawa naman iyan pero minsan nga lang hindi maiiwasan halimbawa ukol sa bakla or sa kasinungalingan ang topic. Papaano kung napatunayan na sinungaling si Elisoe Soriano, kung hindi mo pinapakinggan yung paliwanag sasabihin mo talaga insulto yun. Gets? Ikaw naiinsulto ka na ba sa mga sinasabi ko?
SuperPwet
so ngayon sinasabi mong lahat ng pang iinsultong ito ay justified dahil sa quote na "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. Ephesians 5:11 (NIV)"?? you make me laugh my friend. does it even show them to expose them and throw a lot of insults towards those evil people!!! you know in your heart that throwing insults is wrong. even as children we were taught to be nice to people and forgiving. but i guess you people aren't. i thought you guys were meant to save people and convert them to your religion. but you know what you did? you've changed my mind and showed me how close minded you people are. pra sa inyo, everything that your leaders do is right! kaya nga sabi ni ewankosaiyo, susundin nia daw lhat ng pasya ng puno nio. if there was anyone who's hopeless, it's you not me. hindi ako biased mag isip hindi tulad niyo. buti p nga si ewankosaiyo mukhang natatanggap nia n ang lahat kaya pinapalayas nia nlang ako hahahah. hindi tulad mo na puro sagot eh napanood mo n b ung s luneta? muslim issue? pra magmukha kang maalam hehehe.. so ur that good with the bible ha! sige tulungan mo ang iyong mga kapatid:
Ha ha ha, ikaw po ang katawatawa… sinabi ko ba na ang justification ng Insultong sinasabi mo ay iyong Ephesians 5:11, basahin mo ang usapan natin ukol ito sa sagutan ng INC at ADD, tinapay at bato, if you can tell me na lahat ng narinig mong sagot ng INC ay insulto then you win.Ang problema kasi sa iyo doon ka tumitingin sa mga bagay na nakikita mong pwede mong “ibato”, wala ka namang specific na sinasabi na insulto… bakit hindi mo ilatag dito at pagusapan natin, kung galing sa akin I am much willing to submit myself to your criticism.
About your affair with Kira, I think Kira can manage as 4u2c manages Sheriff_Atheist, ang sagutin mo eh yung mga tanong ko… mag tyaga kang magresearch para naman next time eh hindi banat ka ng banat. Asan na iyong Bato at Tinapay mo? Puro bato at tinapay lang ba ang laman ng Biblia, malamang kung tanungin kita ng Verse iyon ireresearch mo pa.
SuperPwet
so u think i need the scientific method that you're talking about to notice the things that both sides are doing? you're very wrong my friend. kahit mga taong hindi edukado eh makikitang nagbabangayan ang bawat kampo. binanggit ko ito s previous post ko na alam ko ang itsura ng paghihiganti. hindi ko n kelangan pag aralan p lhat ng sinasabi mo. so kawawa nman ang mga dukhang walang pinag aralan sayo dahil hindi sila pwdeng mkipagdebate about religion sayo dahil wala tlga clang tv o libro at hindi nila napanood ung mga napanood mo. my points are simple my friend. we dont need a genius here to figure what im talking about. so ung kaalaman mo sa history ng rivalry ng ADD at INC b ang nagjjustify na mas maalam k saken?haha. you guys seem to know a lot about the bible, BUT FAIL TO PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. example n nga ung mga pinuno niyo plang, as stated ko sa examples above. o cge mag post k ng video nung mga sinasabi mong inaakusa ni Eli s inyo pra matahimik k na, tpos papanoorin ko. eto lng masasabi ko, preho prin ang sasabihin ko sau pagkatapos kong panoorin un.. my point is focused on revenge and kindness. but you dont seem to get it. you keep on babbling about kademonyohan ni Eli. you guys are so obssessed with Eli that i think pag isang kumpol na INC nakita si Eli nag iisa sa daan malamang binugbog niyo n eh hahahaha.
L2S
There is no question about doon sa sagutan o “bangayan” na sinasabi mo, that’s true sinasagot ng INC sa ADD pero ang pinaguusapan natin is kung tama ba ang ginagawa ng INC sa ADD… ayon sa reaction mo HINDI. Iyon ang tema ng usapan nating dalawa... Bumalik ka nga sa una mong post, doon sa part na may Bato at Tinapay. For you hindi ok ang binabato ng INC sa ADD, it should be softer… Ano daw, ano ba ang alam mo sa ibinabato ng ADD?
At anong kinalaman nung dukhang walang pinag-aralan? Requirement ba ang TV o Libro, maari kung iyon ang topic, pero sa usapan natin ano ba ang topic, ang sinasabi ko eh yung kahol ka ng kahol hindi mo naman pala alam kung ano yung pinaguusapan. Yes, you don’t need a genius to figure out na merong rivalry ang INC at ADD pero bago ka sana nagsalita ng kung ano-anu inalam mo muna ang boung pangyayari this includes its history. Like I have told before hindi lang kayo ang nag-comment ng ganyan may nauna na sa sa inyo pero naintindihan nila na kailangang gawing ng INC ang mga iyong para madefend naman ng INC ang sarili nito, hindi ko sinasabing mas maalam ako sa iyo pero kung sa topic na INC VS ADD sa tingin mo ba eh mas knowledgable ka, kung Oo, sige I rest my case uli.
What make you think na obsessed kami Eliseo F. Soriano… all I can say is as of now siya ang nasa hot seat ngayon and this will go away as time goes. And to tell you something, hindi lang iyan front na tina-tackle ng INC ngayon, isa lang iyan, it just happen na sa INC VS ADD ka nag-concentrate, naghanap ka ng outlet and you came to the right place dahil itong forum na ito is for Eliseo F. Soriano.
At regarding doon sa accusation ni Eliseo F. Soriano at ng kanyang grupo eto para matahimik ka na rin…. tatahimik nga ba?
Masaya ka na ba? Uulitin ko sa iyo sinasagot lang ng INC ang mga paratang ng Grupo ni Eliseo F. Soriano, hindi naman siguro masama na ibigay sa kanya ang burder of proof para patunayan nya once and for all na tama ang mga sinasabi nya sa INC. What now? Hanggang hindi nya sinasagot ang mga ito, sa Programa man nila o sa isang Debate, mananatili siyang sinungaling, nanloloko ng tao, etc. At iyon ang totoo, makasik pero totoo.
Ngayon para naman matahimin ka, maari bang ipakita mo ang mga sinasabi mong insulto?
SuperPwet
so u think na nanggugulo lng ako dito? kung ganon eh dpat banned n ako ng admin db? pero bkit hinde? dahil kung cno man ang unbiased na tao na magbabasa ng discussion ntin ay msasabing may point ako. yeah maybe im just a barking dog, but at least i know what's wrong and what's right, unlike you people who go on to different places preaching "the word of God" but dont even know how to follow what they preach. you tell people to show kindness to everyone and but then you guys have fun insulting people as well. what do u call those types of people? hypocrites??
L2S
Bakit gusto mo bang ma-banned? Kaya ka hindi naka banned dahil for sure pag na banned ka eh gagawa ka lang ng panibagong log-in at magrereklamo regarding freedom of speech.
I know you have a point, and though it may seem right to you it doesn’t mean na tama na iyon sa lahat ng tao. May kanikaniya tayong pananaw at hindi mo pwedend i-judge ang isang bagay na hindi mo totally na lalaman, kaya nga pinaparesearch ko iyong mga sagot sa tanong ko para kahit konti man lang eh meron kang alam sa tunay na nangyayari. Ano na ang nangyari instead na tuklasin mo… tuloy ka parin sa speech mo. Mag-minor ka naman at tumingin kung muna kung may ibang taong nakakarinig sa iyo. And you don’t have to make your sermon… I heard it many time before from people like you and usually it turns out na sila rin pala. Tumingin ka muna sa salamin para makita mo ang sarili mo bago ka tumingin sa iba.
SuperPwet
so ngayon sinong kelangan ng assignment? kayo nga ata hindi marunong magbasa dahil ang dami kong sinabi na hindi nio kinumentuhan. o bka iniiwasan niyo sagutin ?? hehehhe... you know what, you should even be happy na ang tinuturo ko sa inyo ay sundin ang bibliyang binabasa niyo. ang nkklungkot lang, ako pa ang nagtuturo sa inyo eh dpat kayo ang nagsasagawa nian?
L2S
Kailan ka pa natuto ng Biblia (kasi tinuturo mo so malamang alam mo)? Atheist ka ba talaga? Ayan sinagot ko na ang post mo… mananahimik ka na ba? Kung meron pa akong hindi nasasagot paki post naman, para naman hindi ka kahol ng kahol na hindi nasasagot ang mga post mo.
now that you've opened another thread for me I hope we could share a more USEFUL ideas and wisdom.
and also, sana maging kaanib ako pag nasagot lahat ng topic ko dun...sana hindi na yon magaya sa ganito na puro nalang galit at siraan ng personalidad at utak ng tao....
pero nagsisisi rin ako dahil akala ko mauunawaan ng iba ang Motif noon, dahil hindi lang puro tanong ang INUTIL na motif kundi pag susugest ng makahulugang tema sa lipunan.
pero sana hindi rin huminto ang pagtatalastasan natin dito sa INUTIL na thread....marami kasing potential dito tulad ni SUPERPUWET,EAGLE EYE, STINKY COOL, PINOY ATHEIST, L2S (ikaw) at marami pang iba....
hindi ko lang din maintindihan itong huli mong dialogue sa AKEN...
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**Sheriff Atheist
Maari mo rin akong sabihing Antitheist pero hindi naman po militant part, implicit lang po...
Nais ko lamang po malaman ang magandang bunga nitong mga programa na ito... yun po ang summary ng motif ko....maraaing nasagot na ito dati.. pero gusto kao lang ulit marinig ang sagot.
Nais ko lamang po malaman ang magandang bunga nitong mga programa na ito...
Nais ko lamang po malaman ang magandang bunga nitong mga programa na ito...
L2S
He he.. Motif… kelan ba ang kasal. Joke! Aling programa ba ang tinutukoy mo? Regarding your Latest post… I’ll try to answer you later, much better kung may bagong thread, everybody will agree to that.
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Motif… kelan ba ang kasal....
oo inaamin ko hindi ako marunong mag tagalog gaano kaya di ko maintindihan na motif din pala gamit sa kasal???
kasi alam ko:
MOTIF - A dominant theme or central idea.
pero tama na siguro joke natin, it is time to be serious sa THREAD NA GINAWA MO...HAMON KAY SHERIFF_ATHEIST NG INC...
salamat....
Thank you talaga...
sana dito lang sa INUTIL tong mga jokes na to ha....
THANKS A LOT L2S, pinapasaya mo ako.
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Sorry L2S, di ko agad na pansin yung tanong mo:
Thanks nga pala ulit doon sa new thread,BTW
sasagutin ko nalang to dito sa thread na INUTIL, tapos sana hindi pumunta yung sagot sa HAMON KAY SHERIFF ATHEIST NA THREAD ha....
What do you think caused the creation of everything now?
ANSWER:
I don't know yet. Remember the scientific method? no conclusions yet but i have read a lot of theories including that of the Christian Bible.
What do you think caused the existence of life?
ANSWER:
I don't know yet. Remember the scientific method? no conclusions yet but i have read a lot of theories including that of the Christian Bible.
Is there a purpose for the emergence of life?
ANSWER:
I don't know yet. Remember the scientific method? no conclusions yet but i have read a lot of theories including that of the Christian Bible.
What do you think will happen after a person dies and looses his life?
ANSWER:
I don't know yet. Remember the scientific method? no conclusions yet but i have read a lot of theories including that of the Christian Bible.
Do you think that there is a possibility that there’s Life after Death?
ANSWER:
I don't know yet. Remember the scientific method? no conclusions yet but i have read a lot of theories including that of the Christian Bible.
Do you believe that all of life is meaningless?
ANSWER:
I don't know yet. Remember the scientific method? no conclusions yet but i have read a lot of theories including that of the Christian Bible.
I just don't know the answers yet, cause i am still gathering resources.
Does Evolutional Theories disprove that there is a God? How?
Do you mean "THE CHARLE'S DARWIN EVEOLUTION THEORY" ?
There is nothing mentioned in that theory.
By the way, not all atheists believes in that theory. Thanks. Try to read different forums next time so you'll understand.
What is your personal reason that you deny the existence of God?
I don't want to share my personal reasons if there is any, due to my privacy.
I just don't want to be DELUSIONAL at most.
Some drug effects are already enough to be DELUSIONAL... I just want to be realistic as of this moment.
REALISTIC.
WORDS OF VIRTUE:
S-M-A-R-T
Specific
Measurable
Accurate
REALISTIC
Timely
Tapos sagutan mo rin tong xtra questions ko:
1.Nais ko rin po marinig ang ibang komento niyo po tungkol sa 5 PUP Students na namatay (siyempre pinatay )sa LOOB ng KAPILYA NG IGLESIA NI KRISTO SA STA.ANA,
Sana po ay makatuwiran ang mga sagot.
2.Nais ko rin pong malaman kung bakit ayaw niyong si Eranyo Manalo ang makipag debate kay eliboy.
Di ba puno sa puno ang hamon nila????
3.Bakit pinababa pa ng diyos si Hesus, at hindi nalang yung diyos yung bumaba?
4. About dito sa tanong ni superpuwet, alam ko nasagot na ito eh pero hindi diretsong sagot..."pag binato ka ng bato, babatuhin rin ba ng bato"?
nag aasaran nalang ang dalawang kampo, tama na asaran sagutin nalang sana yung tanong.....kung nasagot na o di ulitin nalang ulit yung sagot hindi yung nag aasaran na kayo na parang bata....
Wala naman masama kung ulit ulitin ang tanong at sagot eh...nang lalong mas maintindihan di ba????
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>SuperPwet
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im waiting for your reply Eagle Eye! dual logins eh?
trace the those IP's that you have and you will see that it's from one company.
thus the reason why we have the same IP address. you keep on telling me that im a liar? then like i said, trace the IP man. gimme your price! there's no way we can change our IP here. talk to our IT admin and maybe they can help you with that haha.
AND MOST OF ALL, BETTER START ANSWERING OUR POSTS DUCKER!!!
Readers please see who is the real DUCKER!!!
He says the "two" of them belongs to the same company
Footprinting your traces will show how many mutations did you make to fool the readers here.
Readers here's the OTHER of his multiple Login's
1) Re: Sheriff_Atheist let's talk about Science and Bible
63.95.64.254 - by login: Sheriff_Atheist
2) Pakiusap kay Login bitchslayer - 63.95.64.254 - by login: bitchslayer
3) Para kay cute08 (kaanib sa Ang Dating Daan)
63.95.64.254 - by login: Sheriff_Atheist
4) Kira Vs. Sheriff_Atheist: May Diyos O Wala?
63.95.64.254 - by login: zhaigler
5) Re: Kira Vs. Sheriff_Atheist: May Diyos O Wala?
63.95.64.254 - by login: stinky88
6) Inutil
63.95.64.254 Sheriff_Atheist
7) Inutil
63.95.64.254 - by login: SuperPwet
8)Letter from Willy Santiago to all Ang Dating Daan members pakikalat lang sa NET 63.95.64.254 - by login: Sheriff_Atheist
The more dishonest this guy would be the more shall I peel off and expose his identity.
"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
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What do you think caused the creation of everything now? ANSWER: I don't know yet. Remember the scientific method? no conclusions yet but i have read a lot of theories including that of the Christian Bible.
What do you think caused the existence of life? ANSWER: I don't know yet. Remember the scientific method? no conclusions yet but i have read a lot of theories including that of the Christian Bible.
Is there a purpose for the emergence of life? ANSWER: I don't know yet. Remember the scientific method? no conclusions yet but i have read a lot of theories including that of the Christian Bible.
What do you think will happen after a person dies and looses his life? ANSWER: I don't know yet. Remember the scientific method? no conclusions yet but i have read a lot of theories including that of the Christian Bible.
Do you think that there is a possibility that there’s Life after Death? ANSWER: I don't know yet. Remember the scientific method? no conclusions yet but i have read a lot of theories including that of the Christian Bible.
Do you believe that all of life is meaningless? ANSWER: I don't know yet. Remember the scientific method? no conclusions yet but i have read a lot of theories including that of the Christian Bible.
I just don't know the answers yet, cause i am still gathering resources.
L2S_SPSS
He he he, hindi ka lang Implicit Atheist, ayon sa mag sagot mo isa ka ring WEAK ATHEIST…
Sheriff_Atheist
Does Evolutional Theories disprove that there is a God? How? Do you mean "THE CHARLE'S DARWIN EVEOLUTION THEORY" ? There is nothing mentioned in that theory. By the way, not all atheists believes in that theory. Thanks. Try to read different forums next time so you'll understand.
L2S_SPSS
So your direct answer will be No, it doesn’t disprove that there is a God, (with a capital G). Tama ba? Please confirm.
I know that not all Atheist believes that, because until now they are still searching for the “Missing Link”, some of them already died. Ikaw naniniwala ka ba sa Theory ni Charles Darwin… again sa Theory ha.
Sheriff_Atheist
What is your personal reason that you deny the existence of God? I don't want to share my personal reasons if there is any, due to my privacy. I just don't want to be DELUSIONAL at most. Some drug effects are already enough to be DELUSIONAL... I just want to be realistic as of this moment.
And regarding doon sa SMART, I am also applying it but it doesn’t make me an Atheist…
Sheriff_Atheist:
Tapos sagutan mo rin tong xtra questions ko:
1.Nais ko rin po marinig ang ibang komento niyo po tungkol sa 5 PUP Students na namatay (siyempre pinatay )sa LOOB ng KAPILYA NG IGLESIA NI KRISTO SA STA.ANA, Sana po ay makatuwiran ang mga sagot. L2S: Wala ako doon kaya hindi ako makapagco-comment sa iyo. Ang alam ko lang tapos na ito at may decision na ang korte… talo sa kaso iyong pumatay na INC.
2.Nais ko rin pong malaman kung bakit ayaw niyong si Eranyo Manalo ang makipag debate kay eliboy. Di ba puno sa puno ang hamon nila???? L2S:Oo, iyon ang palusot nila kasi takot siya sa INC, hindi naman kasi talaga siya lalaban sa INC, kahit sa mga ministro complete with authorization na magrerepresent sa INC ayaw niyang labanan anong guarantee na lalaban si Eliseo F. Soriano. Isipin mo na lang ito bakit pagdating sa INC puno sa puno ang hamon nya gayong in all history ng debate niya wala siyang nalabanan na Puno ng Relihiyon.
3.Bakit pinababa pa ng diyos si Hesus, at hindi nalang yung diyos yung bumaba? L2S: Bakit hindi, gayung ipinagpauna na si Cristo bago pa man lalangin ng Diyos ang Daigdig. 1 Peter 1:20.
4. About dito sa tanong ni superpuwet, alam ko nasagot na ito eh pero hindi diretsong sagot..."pag binato ka ng bato, babatuhin rin ba ng bato"? L2S: Tinapay ang nakasulat, hindi bato. Eto naman ang tanong ko… in layman’s term ano ba ang pagkakaintindi mo sa “pag binato ka ng bato, batuhin mo ng tinapay”?
Sheriff_Atheist:
nag aasaran nalang ang dalawang kampo, tama na asaran sagutin nalang sana yung tanong.....kung nasagot na o di ulitin nalang ulit yung sagot hindi yung nag aasaran na kayo na parang bata.... Wala naman masama kung ulit ulitin ang tanong at sagot eh...nang lalong mas maintindihan di ba????
L2S
Very well said.
IWGTS… Iyong ibang mga tao kasi dyan makukulit kailangan munang mapahiya para tumigil.
Talakayan ng mga duktrina at sinasabi ni Eli Soriano at ng kanyang Ang Dating Daan.
Ano mang mga isyu tungkol kay Eli Soriano ng Ang Dating Daan ay pwedeng pag-usapan dito. Lahat ng taga-pagtangol ng Ang Dating Daan ni Eli Soriano ay ina-anyayahan na ipagtangol ang anumang sa inaakala nyong di wasto ang mga sinasabi dito sa forum na ito at makaka-asa kayong di mawawala o di mabubura ang inyong mga kasagutan.
Ang maaari lang mabura o ma-delete ay ang mga sumusunod....
1.Malicious codes
2.Mga pics na hindi na katangap-tangap
3.Nang-gugulo lamang sa forum
Listahan ng IP Kaanib sa Ang Dating Daan ni Eli Soriano na nangugulo dito sa forum.....
YOU KNOW WHY? JUST CHECK OUT YUNG THREAD NA BINUKSAN NI KIRA PARA SA IYO, AT MALALAMAN MO KUNG BAKIT. HEHE.. 
"my sheep hear my voice, and i know them, and they know me" (john 10:27)
