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Re: LUMABAS KA IGOP TIDIGAN MO ITONG KALOKOHAN MO
No score for this post April 27 2007, 3:49 PM
GAWAN MO NG TRED YAN DUN AKO SASAGOT
Now answer the question: WHO IS THE GOD OF CHRIST?
Let us see how well you do with the Scriptures.
"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
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Re: Who is the God of Christ according to the Bible (Simpleng-Simple and Eagle's Eye)
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April 30 2007, 10:18 AM
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I saw you posted twice today, sneaking on other threads.
Are you making "maraming TAGO-TAGO"
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Re: VIC IKAW SUMAGOT DITO
No score for this post April 30 2007, 9:37 AM
hidi mo ba kayang sumagot dito?
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"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
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Re: Who is the God of Christ according to the Bible (Simpleng-Simple and Eagle's Eye)
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May 1 2007, 12:17 AM
I'm extending the challenge to all ADD members in this forum.
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"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. - 1 Peter 4:14
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Re: Who is the God of Christ according to the Bible (Simpleng-Simple and Eagle's Eye)
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May 2 2007, 5:36 PM
Isa 46:9 Inyong alalahanin ang mga dating bagay ng una: sapagka't ako'y Dios, at walang iba liban sa akin; ako'y Dios, at walang gaya ko;
Isa 45:22 Kayo'y magsitingin sa akin, at kayo'y mangaligtas, lahat na taga wakas ng lupa: sapagka't ako'y Dios, at walang iba liban sa akin.
Isa 45:21 Kayo'y mangagpahayag, at mangagpasapit; oo, magsanggunian silang magkakasama: sinong nagpakilala nito mula nang mga unang panahon? sinong nagpahayag niyaon nang una? hindi baga ang Panginoon? at walang Dios liban sa akin: isang ganap na Dios at Tagapagligtas; walang iba liban sa akin.
Isa 45:5 Ako ang Panginoon, at walang iba; liban sa akin ay walang Dios. Aking bibigkisan ka, bagaman hindi mo ako nakilala.
Isa 44:8 Kayo'y huwag mangatakot, o magsipangilabot man: hindi ko baga ipinahayag sa iyo nang una, at ipinakilala? at kayo ang aking mga saksi. May Dios baga liban sa akin? oo, walang malaking Bato; ako'y walang nakikilalang iba.
Isa 44:6 Ganito ang sabi ng Panginoon, ng Hari ng Israel, at ng kaniyang Manunubos, na Panginoon ng mga hukbo, Ako ang una, at ako ang huli; at liban sa akin ay walang Dios.
1Co 15:28 At kung ang lahat ng mga bagay ay mapasuko na sa kaniya, kung magkagayo'y ang Anak rin ay pasusukuin naman sa nagpasuko ng lahat ng mga bagay sa kaniya, upang ang Dios ay maging lahat sa lahat.
ikaw naman ang tatanungin ko sino ang dios ni kristo ayon sa biblia?
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Re: Who is the God of Christ according to the Bible (Simpleng-Simple and Eagle's Eye)
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May 2 2007, 5:52 PM
Login Simple-simple,
The verses you gave pertains to Father as the only God, was that your answer?
You did not even give details to your answer, what you did was you post some verses and did not give an answer. Are you playing safe or just too afraid to come to the truth?
Please answer straight - "Who is the God of Jesus Christ."
My answer is, - the Father was the God of Jesus Christ according to John 17:1,3 and John 20:17.
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"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. - 1 Peter 4:14
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Re: Who is the God of Christ according to the Bible (Simpleng-Simple and Eagle's Eye)
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May 3 2007, 9:37 AM
wala ba kayong naintindihan at kailangan pa ng paliwanag ko? kaawa awa talaga kayo mga manalista palibhasa walang unawa kailangan pang paliwanagan sige na! dahil sa mabait naman ako sa mga nanghihingi ng kasagutan sa mga tanong siguro naman pwede na itong talata na ito
BASA:
Joh 20:17 Sinabi sa kaniya ni Jesus, Huwag mo akong hipuin; sapagka't hindi pa ako nakakaakyat sa Ama, nguni't pumaroon ka sa aking mga kapatid, at sabihin mo sa kanila, Aakyat ako sa aking Ama at inyong Ama, at AKING Dios at inyong Dios.
matang itik siguro naman wala ka nang mahihiling pa noh?
mga manalista ngayon nyo sabihin na kailangan pang ipaliwanag ang talata
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Re: Who is the God of Christ according to the Bible (Simpleng-Simple and Eagle's Eye)
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May 3 2007, 4:37 PM
In the Old Testament YAHWEH identifies Himself in singular person terminology and as the Father of His Chosen People and they are all commanded to remember that "the Lord our God the Lord is One" with all these singular person images implanted in their minds by God Himself. In fact, the Father himself told them through Moses that there is no other Elohim besides Him. The prophesied Messiah is understood to be the son of YAHWEH and begotten of YAHWEH. Who was this one God who would beget this Son? Jesus is the Son of God Most High and identifies his God as his Father and his Father as his God. Indeed, we too are sons of this God. Who is this God who begets these sons? We are told even further that the one God is the Father of the spirits of all men and all men are his offspring who live and move and have their being in Him. The Lord and God of Jesus was YAHWEH God and He still is the Lord and God of Jesus. Who was Jesus' God? One person or three? Jesus' apostle, Paul, refers to the Father as "the one God" and Jesus is the mediator between men and this one God. We are told that the Father of Jesus is the only one who possesses self-immortality. Jesus' apostle, Jude, describes the Father as "the only God." God's Son Jesus describes the Father as "the only God." John describes the Father as "the true God." Paul describes the Father as the "living and true God." Jesus refers to His Father as "the only true God."
But according to Trinitarians, we are not to understand that any of these statements mean that the Father alone is the only true God. No, no, don't be silly. We are to believe that God Most High is a three person being who had unfortunately led the naive Israelites into supposing he was one person, their Abba Father, and in spite of the plain fact that this supposed three person God is not once reported anywhere in the Scriptures.
The concept of a three person God for the Trinitarian does not begin on the pages of Scripture since he simply cannot find a three person God reported anywhere therein. Rather, his three person God begins as an idea in his own mind. His god is created and fashioned; it is built as one builds an idol. He begins with an idea of his creation in his mind and then travels through the pages of Scripture looking for building materials to make his god. And when he has collected enough building materials to satisfy himself, he creates his own god with his collected materials.
The Trinitarian mind works very oddly at this point. Since God presents himself as "I" and "Me" and is described as "He" and "Him," the Trinitarian ordinarily imagines his God to be the Father of Jesus Christ. However, when it becomes necessary, his mind shifts to another God, the three person God. Now, he points to passages where God is speaking and uses terms like "us" and "our" and imagines the individuals in the mentioned group are the three persons of his God. When this occurs, his God now becomes an "Us" and "Our," and by implication, a "They" and "Them."
And he also feels a need to believe in this unacknowledged god is because he finds some passages in the Bible which confuse him unless he creates a three person God to make these passages work for him. His god is a god of necessity and a requirement designed to suit his own needs. Without his three person god he is left confused and does not know what to do with John 1:1 and John 20:28. So instead of looking for the truth as Jesus taught us to do, he decides to create his own truth, his own three person god.
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"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. - 1 Peter 4:14
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Re: Who is the God of Christ according to the Bible (Simpleng-Simple and Eagle's Eye)
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May 3 2007, 5:43 PM
By all means, please ask your question as long it is Biblical question that you don't understand.
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"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. - 1 Peter 4:14
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"But of the Son he says, 'Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.' "
By admitting that God is calling His Son as "O God" in Hebrews 1:8, it appears that God contradicts Himself! He said in Isaiah 46:9 that He does not know any other God. However There is another rendition that Christ is God advocates hide everytime they use this verse as their alleged proof.
But others are frank enough to indicate it in the footnote of the RSV we quoted above it writes "GOD IS YOUR THRONE" exactly how it was rendered in the Old Testament where it was quoted in Psalms 45:6 of the Jewish Publication Society version of 1917.
The truth is that the term O THEOS is not found in the Hebrew Bible also called the Masoretic Text. The O THEOS was taken from the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Old Testament Even there, according to B.F. wescott
"The LXX admits of two renderings: ho theos can be taken as a vocative in both cases (_Thy throne, O God,... therefore, O God, Thy God..._) or it can be taken as the subject (or the predicate) in the first case (_God is Thy throne,_ or _Thy throne is God..._), or in apposition to ho theos sou in the second case (_Therefore God, even Thy God..._)..."("The Epistle to the Hebrews," London, 1892, pp. 25)
In the Hebrew Bible, God is the throne of the Son which is a metaphor indicating that God is the source of the Son's throne or power. Jesus confirmed that in Matthew 28:18 when he proclaimed that "all power in heaven and on earth was given to me" and in Matthew 11:27, he said that "all things were given to him by the Father!" The source of his power and authority is God and on Judgment Day, the Son will be placed under God's rule (I Cor. 15:27-28 TEV).
Why will the Son be placed under God if he is of the same power with the Father? That is an intriguing question that Trinitarians could not explain but would only resort to hide behind the so-called mystery doctrine of the Divine Trinity.
MANY ATTEMPT TO prove that Christ is God by using verses in the Bible. One such verse they claim to be teaching about the deity of Christ is Hebews 1:8: "But to the Son He says: `Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom`."(NKJV) Proponent's of Christ alleged diety argue that in this verse, God the Father is calling His Son God. But if this were true, then there would be two Gods-a conclusion that contradicts biblical verses which teach that there is only one true God, the Father (Jn.17:1-3; ICor.8:6; Mal.2:10). Therefore, there is something wrong about their understanding of this verse.
The following are other translations of this same verse:
"But of the Son he says, `God is your throne forever and ever! And a righteous sceptre is the sceptre of his kingdom!`" (Goodspeed)
"He says of the Son, `God is thy throne for ever and ever, thy royal sceptre is the sceptre of equity`." (Moffat Translation)
In the Goodspeed and Moffat translations, God the Father is not calling the Son God. Rather, God is telling the Son (Christ) that He (Father) is His (Son's) throne. Thus, these two translations of Hebrews 1:8 do not contradict other passages of the Bible and hence, these translations of Hebrws 1:8 are correct. God does not recognize any other God
Why is it wrong to believe that the Father called Christ God in Hebrews 1:8? This is because God does not recognize any other God:
"Consult together, argue your case, and state your proofs that idol worship pays. Who made these things known long ago? What idol ever told you they would happen? Was it not I, the LORD? For there is no other God but me-a just God and Savior-no, not one!" (Is. 45:21, NLT, emphasis ours) God Himself teaches that there is no onther God besides Him. This one God who does not recignize any other God is the Father who created everything: "Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us?" (Mal. 2:10, NKJV) Not only does God not recognize any other God, but he declared His uniqueness, proclaiming there is none like Him:
"Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me." (Is. 46:9,ibid.)
In fact, the next verse, Hebrews 1:9, in reference to Christ, clearly shows that Christ the Son recognizes God:
"You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions." (Ibid., emphasis ours)
Take note of the phrase "Your God." If the Son or Christ were God, it would appear that God has a God, ang thus, there would be two Gods.
While the father recognizes no one else as God, Christ recognizes the father as His God:
"Jesus said to her, `Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My father; but go to My Brethren and say to them, "I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God"." (Jn.20:17, Ibid.)
`Thy throne, given of God`
Defenders of Christ's alleged deity further argue that the Almighty God cannot be merely a throne. So they ask, "How could the understanding that God is the throne of Christ be correct?" We should know that Hebrwes 1:8 is a prophecy about the coming Messiah in the form of a song quoted from psalms 45:7 which states:
"Thy throne, given of God, endureth for ever and ever; the sceptre of thy kingdom." (Jewish Publications Society of America Translation) Therefore, the equivalent of "God is your throne" is "Thy throne, given of God." The following verses clarify that the One to whom God will give His kingdom is the King:
"Beautiful words fill my mind, as I compose this song for the king. Like the pen of a good writer my tongue is ready with a poem. You are the most handsome of men; you are an eloquent speaker. God has always blessed you. Buckle on your sword, mighty king; you are glorious and majestic." (Ps. 45:1-3, TEV)
The fulfillment of this prophecy is Christ who was given the throne of David:
"You will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High God. The Lord God will make him a king, as his ancestor David was, and he will be the king of the descendants of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end!" (Lk. 1:31-33, Ibid)
In fact, Christ never taught that the authority or power He had was inherent in Him:
"Jesus drew near and said to them, "have been given all authority in heaven and on earth'."(Mt. 28:18, Ibid)
Instead , He acknowlegded the Father as the source os His authority:
"My Father has given to me authority over everything." (Mt. 11:27, NLT)
It is this God-given authority that Christ will hand over to God on the Day of Judgement:
"Then the end will come; Christ will overcome all spiritual rulers, authorities, and powers, and will hand over the Kingdom to God the Father. For christ must rule until God defeats all enemies and puts them under his feet. ...For the scriptures says, `God put all things under his feet'. It is clear, of course, that the words `all things` do not include God himself, who puts all things under Christ. But when all things have been placed under Christ's rule, then he himself, the Son, will place himself under God will rule completely over all." (I Cor. 15:24-25, 27_28, TEV)
Notice that Christ will place Himself under God so that God will rule completely over all. If Christ were God, it would appear that God is placing Himself under Himself-an absurdity.
Christ is man
While God's throne was given to Christ, this does not mean that God Himself is placed under Christ as the above verses attest. In fact, Christ sits at the right side of God's throne according to the same author of Hebrews 1:8:
"What I mean is that we have a high priest who sits at the right side of God's great throne in heaven." (Heb. 8:1, CEV)
The High Priest reffered to is Christ:
"That is why we have a great High Priest who has gone to heaven, Jesus the Son of God." (Heb. 4:14, NLT)
The High Priest who sits at the right side of God's throne is man in state of being:
"Here is the High Priest we need. A man who is holy, faultless, unstained, seperate from sinners and lifted above the very Heavens." (Heb. 7:26, Philips Translation)
"But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood." (Heb. 7:24, KJV)
Since Christ is man, then He is different from God because God is not man: "I will not execute the fierceness of My anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim. For I am God, and not man, The Holy One in your midst; And I will not come with terror." (Hos. 11:9, NKJV)
Hence, Christ, the High Priest sitting at the right of God's throne, is man and not God. Therefore, Hebrews 1:8 does not teach that Christ is God. Instead, it all the more proves the great difference between God and Christ
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