Richard Thomson: (Seventh Day Adventist Church) "Ewan ko nga ba bakit ang ibang samahan ng pananampalataya ay takot na takot makipag-debate sa mga kapatid nating Iglesia Ni Cristo?...Eh sa totoo lang, 'yung sinasabi nilang nanggugulo, pangatlong beses na ito kahit kurot wala tayong ina-abot eh...Uulitin ko 'yung sinabi ko 'nung 2001...Mr. Soriano kung nasaan ka man,...baka p'wede mong pagbigyan ng isang maginoong usapan ang ating mga kaibigan at mga kapatid na Iglesia Ni Cristo?...2001 ko pang niri-request iyan eh! Hanggang ngayon wala, wala pang nangyayari..."
Re: Ni Kurot - Thomson (Pabulaan sa sinabi ni ginoong Eli Soriano na magulo sa debate ang INC
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June 5 2007, 8:51 PM
Isang Bahagi lamang iyan ng debate at iyan ay hayag na debate, adventista laban sa INC, paano mong sasabihin na binayaran? Payo ko sayo bro. eh maging bukas ang puso at isip mo, thx
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June 5 2007, 10:41 PM
QuezUTOT,
Hinahamon kita, binibigyan kita ng panahon, mula ngayon hanggang June 30, sa ganap na 11:59 ng gabi (oras sa Pilipinas) para magpakita ka ng ebidensiya sa akusasyon mo na 'yan. Pag wala kang maipakita pagkatapos ng petsang 'yan, either aalis ka na sa ADD (Ang Dating Daan), o tatanggapin mong anak ka ng diyablo (Juan 8:44). O ano call ka ba?
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June 5 2007, 11:38 PM
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magkano ang ibinayad??
No score for this post June 5 2007, 8:19 PM
patotoo nino? ng taong nabayaran ninyo? hahahahha
Pathetic reaction from a blind ADD follower, this Adventist preacher was man enough to have a show down while these ADD preacher are just blabbers and not even half the man they are.
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"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. - 1 Peter 4:14
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Re: Ni Kurot - Thomson (Pabulaan sa sinabi ni ginoong Eli Soriano na magulo sa debate ang INC
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June 6 2007, 12:07 PM
Thanx sa mga pix bro. AAD,
Naalala ko tuloy nung pinapanood ko ang reaksiyon ng mga moderators habang nagpapaliwanag si kapatid na Joe Ventilacion, talagang mababakas ang paghanga.
Halos eksaktong 3:00 pm nagsimula at 7:00 pm na natapos. Sa loob ng halos apat na oras ay nakatayo lang kami ni Bro. Atan kasama ng kaniyang maybahay dahil sa dami ng tao.
Naramdaman na lang namin ang sakit ng mga paa namin nung nasa loob na kami ng Victory Liner.
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Re: Ni Kurot - Thomson (Pabulaan sa sinabi ni ginoong Eli Soriano na magulo sa debate ang INC
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June 6 2007, 12:15 PM
Thx rin bro. sa mga naibahagi mo sa nasabing debate.
At katulad ng nasabi ko na kung nagkataon na nasa Pinas ako nung nangyari ang debate ay tiyak na nandyan rin ako sa tagpong iyan dahil pag ako eh nakakasagap ng balita na may debate eh di' ko ito pinalalampas. Si ka Bunag pa noon ang debatista na nasaharapan na naabutan ko.
Salamat nalang at mayrong mga kapatid dito na nagkaron ng kopya at nakabahagi rin tayo.
WALANG PAPATUNAYAN DITO SA DALAWANG DEBATE NA ITO, SINASAMA NYO SA USAPAN ANG TAONG WALA DYAN SA USAPAN NYO SA HARAPAN,UN-ETHICAL YON WALANG MODO.ATSAKA MARAMI NA RIN ATANG DEBATE SA SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST SI MR.SORIANO PERO DI ISINASAMA ANG INC DAHIL SILA LANG ANG MAY USAPAN NG TAGPONG IYON.TANONG ILAN NA BA ANG NAKADEBATE NG INC? SI MR. MANALO BA NAKIPAGDEBATE NA? O AYAW PARA PAGNATALO ANG ISANG MINISTRO NA REPRESENTANTE NG INC E SASABIHIN HINDI KASI SI MANALO EH. MAY LUSOT O MAY EXCUSE PA. SANA MR.MANALO ANG IPAKITA NYO WAG NA SA DEBATE SA TANUNGAN PORTION NA LANG SA INYONG TV.
GODBLESSED US
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Observe ka sa bawat araw ng pagsamba ng INC, makikita mo ang kasagutan sa mga tanong mo. Compare mo sa mga sektang protestante, ADD at iba pa. And, i'm inviting you to attend na din para mapatunayan mo ang pagkakaiba ng aming isinasagawang mga pagsamba. Kung gaano kaayos, at dito mo makita ang tunay at totoong pagsamba sa nag-iisang Dios na buhay. Kaya lang dapat kang sumunod sa mga alituntunin na sinusunod namin, gaya ng maayos na pananamit, huwag kang makipagkwentuhan sa katabi mo, at huwag kang matutulog! Makinig ka ding mabuti, huwag kang mag-isip ng kung ano-ano. Ganito kami nagiging karapat-dapat at nababanal sa aming mga pagkakatipon. Saan mang bansa sa buong mundo ka mapunta, you will expect the same sort of worship services we uphold. Kung nandiyan ka sa pilipinas, o kaya'y sa japan, o sa europe, o sa america, iisa lang ang aming mga pagtuturo, sapagkat ang Iglesia ay iisa at nagkakaisa. Nawa'y ang paanyayang ito ay iyong pagbibigyan upang mapatunayan mo na sa loob ng Iglesia ni Cristo lamang masusumpungan ang tunay ng paglilingkod sa iisang Dios na tunay.
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Mr GODWON, paano makadebate ni Ka Erdie si Soriano?
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June 18 2007, 3:04 AM
nagtatago na nga si soriano, nagyayabang ka pa. Sa batas nga ng tao ay takot si Eli Sorianong harapin ang mga kaso niyang panggagahasa ng lalaki, sa debate pa kaya? Nauuto ka lang ni Soriano, ilang taon ka na ba, bakit pauuto ka pa sa bakla?
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Re: Ni Kurot - Thomson (Pabulaan sa sinabi ni ginoong Eli Soriano na magulo sa debate ang INC
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June 19 2007, 10:36 PM
AYON PO SA WIKIPEDIA.COM????
Ano po ang sabi ng Wikipedia .com sa issue nay an ng di matuloy2 na debate sa pagitan ng ADD at INC??? BASA!!!!!
“Soriano is known for criticizing various denominations through his program Ang Dating Daan for their doctrines, practices and what he says are false teachings including the Catholic Church, Pentecostal Demoninations, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventist Church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Iglesia ni Cristo, another Philippine-based religion which he calls Iglesia ni Manalo (Church of Manalo).
Iglesia ni Cristo retaliated with a counter program, Ang Tamang Daan, criticizing Soriano on the show. In an attempt to end the dispute between the two groups, Soriano challenged the Executive Minister of the Iglesia ni Cristo Eraño Manalo to a one-on-one debate on TV on March 27, 2005, but it was never eventuated.”
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Soriano
Ano po ang sabi???Naghamon si Bro. Eli Soriano ng debate kay Manalo…ano ang ginawa ni Manalo???di raw umimik!!!
” Soriano challenged the Executive Minister of the Iglesia ni Cristo Eraño Manalo to a one-on-one debate on TV on March 27, 2005, but it was never eventuated.”
--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Soriano
Ano ngayon ang sagiot ng mga bulaang ministro ng INC??
“Soriano was targeted in a smear campaign in 2003 when a series of comics depicted him negatively. The author and publisher were never identified but Soriano said the rival sect was behind it, prompting INC officials to issue libel proceedings against him.
As well as the pending rape charge, in September 2006 a group of Muslims were outraged with Soriano when the Iglesia ni Cristo circulated a Video CD containing clips of Soriano allegedly disparaging Islam and Mohammad on his TV program. Soriano, however, maintained that the VCD's had been fabricated. A rally against Soriano was then scheduled outside his headquarters in Apalit, Pampanga, and was circumvented after Muslim leaders said Soriano was innocent and that Muslims were being used by the Iglesia ni Cristoand married to Rhommel Sipin and has a three triplets.All of them, are gay.”
---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Soriano
Sino kaya ang tinutukoy na ALL OF THEM,ARE GAY???hmmmm… I smell sumtin fishy….
Magtataka pa ba tayo kung bakit ganyan mangipit ang INC??Ano sa tingin mo WIKIPEDIA??
“The Iglesia ni Cristo has come under criticism from apologetics groups and other religions mainly due to disagreements over their doctrines and beliefs regarding the interpretation of the Bible. They have also been criticised by non-religious groups for their political influence and alleged restraint of press freedom.”
---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iglesia_Ni_Cristo
BALUBALUKTOT BA ANG PANINIWALA AT MGA GINAGAWA NG INC SA KNLANG DOKTRINA??WIKIPEDIA??
“Dr. Karl Keating, the founder of Catholic Answers claims that Dr. Jose Ventilacion, an INC minister and one of their chief debaters, broke an agreement in 1990 for a one-on-one debate made by the two organizations in National City, California. Instead of a one-on-one debate, Keating states that Ventilacion had three helpers assisting him, and that they were shouting at him during the debate. He also claims that God's Message magazine is dedicated more to criticizing and attacking Catholic and Protestant beliefs and doctrines (by referring to them as "tools of Satan" for example), rather than explaining their own positions.[35]
The Catholic Church refutes INC's claim that the beast of Revelation is the Pope. INC claims that the pope's title, Vicarius Filii Dei, Latin for Vicar of the Son of God, adds up to 666 which is the the "Number of the Beast", and the Iglesia ni Cristo also claims that it is engraved on the Pope's tiara, a charge that has been proven false[35] and a claim formerly shared by some in the Seventh-day Adventist Church, but now officially rejected.[36] The Catholic Church also stated that Vicarius Filii Dei has never been an "official title" of the pope.[36]
Catholic Answers also rejects the INC's doctrines of apostasy within the Catholic Church and does not consider the verses used to support the doctrine of the Iglesia ni Cristo being prophesied nor the apostasy of the Catholic church are used in the right context. It contends that other verses are difficult to reconcile with the views of the Iglesia ni Cristo.[37]
Let Us Reason Ministries, an online apologetics research group, criticised the INC for holding the belief that it has the sole authority from God to interpret and preach the Bible, while other religions do not. They also claim that the INC intentionally misinterprets and misappropriates verses to agree with their doctrines and that they use fallacious arguments against other religions,[38] stating: "Unfortunately they ignore the whole history of the Church in the zealous rebuttals against Catholicism. Nothing is out of reach of their researchers to demean and belittle. Some of the greatest scholars in languages and history are ignored or misrepresented as they present what they believe is correct. I suspect that many know better in what they teach."[39] They also reject the INC's doctrine that one can only be saved if they are a member of the Iglesia ni Cristo.[40] According to the The Bereans Apologetics Research Ministry, some of the beliefs of INC are contrary to mainstream Christianity.[41]. However, the Iglesia ni Cristo claims through biblical prophesies, that it was elected to be "the nation of God," as the Israelites were, and that God chose them to serve him.[5]
Dr. Charles Caldwell Ryrie has criticized the INC for allegedly misquoting his Ryrie Study Bible regarding John 1:1 in the May/June 1984 issue of the Pasugo. Ryrie has been quoted as saying, in a letter to Robert Elliff, the author of the book, Iglesia Ni Cristo: The Only True Church? "Anyone can look in my Study Bible and see how conveniently this author [the INC] omitted the last phrase in the note of John 1:1."
---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iglesia_Ni_Cristo
Nagtatago daw si BRO. ELI sa Amerika…ano kaya ang sabi ng wikipedia…kamusta na siya sa ABROAD?
“On November 18, 2006, Eliseo Soriano's program, the Ang Dating Daan (The Old Path) was recently awarded as the "Most Informative Religious Program of the Year" by Gawad Amerika Awards, an independent Fil-Am awards-giving body based in North America”
---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Soriano
Ahah!!...tsk22222….di kasi kau nakikinig mga INCng makukulit pag BIBLIA ang ginagamit naming…kaya WIKIPEDIA nalang haha…
KUNG MAY ANGAL SA POST…MAGREKLAMO KAYO SA WIKIPEDIA OK???
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Re: Ni Kurot - Thomson (Pabulaan sa sinabi ni ginoong Eli Soriano na magulo sa debate ang INC
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June 20 2007, 5:44 AM
As usual copy-pasting ng diversionary tactics lang ang kaya mong ibuga sa thread na ito, palibhasa hindi mo kayang pasubalian ang patotoo ni Mr. Thomson.
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June 20 2007, 8:29 PM
Debate Challenge: No Manalo Taker
The Presiding Minister summed up the score on Manalistas. On March 27, 2005, Bro. Eli came out with a published ad in a national newspaper challenging Eraño Manalo “to settle once and for all who of us promotes the doctrine of truth, and who promotes the doctrine of lies.” Bro. Eli noted that while what he was attacking were the false teachings of Manalo, his person is being subjected to vicious smear campaign since the INC TV program, Ang Tamang Daan, opened two years ago. It was a ploy to destroy the reputation of Bro. Eli to enable their organization to continue to thrive, together with their false teachings.
From the challenge, there was no response from Eraño Manalo, leader of the Iglesia ni Cristo, but a counter-challenge from Ramil Parba in their Ang Tamang Daan. It was for Bro. Eli to debate with the Pope of Rome in Latin first, and then their leader, Eraño Manalo could face him. That, Mr. Parba said, was according to Eraño Manalo. At that time, the pope of Rome was at the throes of death. To this, Bro. Eli said it is now next to impossible for Manalo to accept the debate challenge – because he is not capable of defending his false beliefs. Moreover, it was his lieutenants speaking for him in their programs, and he never appears to say a thing about his teachings.
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Re: Ni Kurot - Thomson (Pabulaan sa sinabi ni ginoong Eli Soriano na magulo sa debate ang
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June 20 2007, 8:37 PM
To forum readers: please take a closer look on how BIASED is the said article. (Login GODWON)
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Debate Challenge: No Manalo Taker
The Presiding Minister summed up the score on Manalistas. As the saying goes, "Ang isda ay nahuhuli sa bibig."
Re: Ni Kurot - Thomson (Pabulaan sa sinabi ni ginoong Eli Soriano na magulo sa debate ang INC
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July 4 2007, 8:50 AM
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magkano ang ibinayad??
Score 4.0 (1 person) June 5 2007, 8:19 PM
patotoo nino? ng taong nabayaran ninyo? hahahahha Basag ang credibilidad ni quezUTOT sa thread na ito. Kahit si godwon hindi kayang sagipin si quezUTOT sa kanyang pagkapahiya dito.
Re: Ni Kurot - Thomson (Pabulaan sa sinabi ni ginoong Eli Soriano na magulo sa debate ang
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July 4 2007, 11:29 PM
Kung personalan lang, mas marami akong pwedeng ikalat dito na baho ni Daniel Razon na pangalawang tagapangasiwa ninyo Godwon. Tinitiyak ko sayo totoo lahat, at kaya kong sabihin kahit sa harap pa mismo ni Daniel Razon. Ang pakay ng forum na ito ay upang ibunyag ang mga maling aral ng ADD, dapat sana ang gawin ninyo e-depensa nyo ang mga aral ninyo, wala puro bintang at pamemersonal ang ginagawa ninyo. Nagrelihiyon pa kayo kung ganyan din lang ugali ninyo, sabi nga ni "Baquing" na MIC ninyo, "pangalan lang ng relihiyon ang naiba, yung ugali ganon pa din... napakasama!".
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kung yung mga ordinaryong ministro sa INC di kaya ni soriano, paano pa kaya ang Tagapamahalang pangkalahatan???
"if you cant pick up a grain of sand, what more a huge boulder?"
mas maraming importanteng bagay ang inaasikaso ng Tagapamahalang pangkalahatan namin kesa pumatol sa lider ADD, parang chess yan, sa mababang rango ka muna bago ka makapunta sa pinuno....
oo nga pala, bawal ang chess sa inyo kasi, ayon sa lider ng ADD, muslim daw ang nag imbento ng chess, hehehehehehe...
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ano ba masama sa batas partylist? eh bkit kyo may alagad partylist kyo na hindi nanalo.. inggit lng kyo.. aminin nyo na na walang binatbat ang mga doktrina nyo.. kaya character ni bro. eli binabanatan nyo, kung gsto nyo, debate tyo ngayon dito, samin lang ordinary members, di uubra mga ministro nyong ignorante sa biblia..
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Re: Ni Kurot - Thomson (Pabulaan sa sinabi ni ginoong Eli Soriano na magulo sa debate ang INC
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July 10 2007, 3:36 PM
Walang paki-alam ang INC sa Alagad Partylist dahil hindi amin yan, lalong hindi yan ang nasa official sample ballot namin noong nakararaan eleksyon.
Batas Partylist, congrats sa inyo dahil nanalo partylist nyo pero di pa kayo procalamado, may sabit pa e. Sorry na lang, better luck next time.
Kung magyayabang kayo dapat yung polido, hindi palpak. Pinagyayabang nyo partylist na yan, una di naman inyo yan! Sabit lang yang si Daniel Razon d'yan. Pangalawa, may usapin pa yan sa Comelec kaya di pa mae-proclama ang mga tonggressman nyan.
Inggit kami? Bat kami maiinggit sa walang kwenta? Ang amin may kwenta! Majority ng nasa sample balot namin ay panalo. Kayo ang inggit mga alagad ng bakla.
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Re: Ni Kurot - Thomson (Pabulaan sa sinabi ni ginoong Eli Soriano na magulo sa debate ang INC
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September 30 2009, 11:34 PM
Meron na ulit niyan sa youtube,kaa-upload lang,this month,i-search mo ang "20elan" sa youtube sa anak ko yan,siya ang nag-upload.Mapapanood mo ang video na kahalintulad niyan.
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Talakayan ng mga duktrina at sinasabi ni Eli Soriano at ng kanyang Ang Dating Daan.
Ano mang mga isyu tungkol kay Eli Soriano ng Ang Dating Daan ay pwedeng pag-usapan dito. Lahat ng taga-pagtangol ng Ang Dating Daan ni Eli Soriano ay ina-anyayahan na ipagtangol ang anumang sa inaakala nyong di wasto ang mga sinasabi dito sa forum na ito at makaka-asa kayong di mawawala o di mabubura ang inyong mga kasagutan.
Ang maaari lang mabura o ma-delete ay ang mga sumusunod....
1.Malicious codes
2.Mga pics na hindi na katangap-tangap
3.Nang-gugulo lamang sa forum
Listahan ng IP Kaanib sa Ang Dating Daan ni Eli Soriano na nangugulo dito sa forum.....
