my only rules was every answer should be Biblical, no bashing and no fooling around. Give straight answer from the Bible and no opinion please.
no pictures, no personal attack.
Go and bring your case
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"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. - 1 Peter 4:14
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tanungin mo kaya muna sarili mo kung bakit? debate ba talaga ang nais mo o sirain ang forum na ito? sabagay hindi na lingid sa kaalaman ng mga regular na tagasubaybay ng forum na ito kung ano talaga ang agenda nyo? hirap sa mga ADDs desperado nang gumawa ng kahit ano maipagtanggol lang si soriano nahuhulog tuloy na fanatico ang tulad mo kaya ang dapat na itawag sa iyo ay sorianista?
sige debate tayo kung dapat ka ba talagang tawaging sorianista? mapapatunayan ko sayo na sorianista ka nga at ang gagamitin nating basehan ay mga previous posting mo na rin, partida pa yan.
yan nalang papalit-palit ng username kahayagan na na yan ng isang taong napapaloob sa samahang papalit-palit ng pangalan, sabagay yung papapalit-palit ng pangalan, natataranta yan eh, at kung natataranta papapalit-palit ng pahayag yan, at yung papalit palit ng pahayag medyo me sira ang ulo nun.
sensya na brod, kung nasasaring ang ego mo, pero kung panlilinlang lang naman ang hatid mo sa amin at nakakagulo ka na sa forum na eto palagay ko hindi ka nababagay at hindi ka kailangan dito dahil kung nakakaunawa ka madali lang naman maintindihan ang layunin ng forum na eto ngayon kung may iba kang pang nais hindi mo na kailangang mag thread flooding.
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may ilan na pong binuksang thread itong si zel666 subalit walang natapos, muntik na rin pong mag crash ang forum na eto dahil sa mga kamoteng itinanim ng debater na ito kung kaya paalala lang po.
MAG INGAT sa mapanlinlang.
zel666 = gudkisser
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"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. - 1 Peter 4:14
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sige ilabas mo pa, sa sariling bunganga nahuhuli ang isang isda...
sige tawa pa, siguraduhin mo lang nag hindi ikaw ang pagtatawanan sa dulo ng thread na ito..
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are you going to have a discussion on Christology or you are just fooling around?
bring your case now and let us begin!
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"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. - 1 Peter 4:14
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1.it is agreed upon by the debater.
2.rules are clearly define.
note: suntok sa buwan ang tirada mo zel aka gudkisser, wala ka pa ngang formal na argumento banat ka na ng banat, sabagay kahayagan yan ng mga naturuan ni EFS, tactless paano?. (kasarian palang hindi na sigurado aral pa kaya?).
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Probably Zel was a very confused man on his Trinity doctrine, he was trying to grasp for more 325AD Nicean doctrine but could not comprehend it since it really contradicts what the prestine doctrine of the Bible teaches.
His three person god was a man made doctrine and therefore he is afraid to use the Bible as his basis in this discussion.
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"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. - 1 Peter 4:14
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hindi mo pa rin nauunawaan? pakibasa daw ang mga posting?
multiple choice kaibigan para hindi ka mahirapan oo o hindi lang yan
1.) ano ang sagot ni kap. na 4u2c sa iyo, re: bring your case, eto ba ay pagtanggap sa iyong hamon?
a. oo
b. hindi
2.) ano naman ang pagkunawa mo sa paghamon ko sa iyo na ilatag mo ang iyong argumento at kasunduan? eto ba ay pahayag ng pagka-interes ko sa hamon mo?
a. oo
b. hindi
3.)nauunawaan mo ba mga binabasa mo?
a. oo
b. hindi
4.)binababasa mo lang ang bahaging gusto mo?
a.oo
b.hindi
5.) ang patuloy na pagsagot namin sa iyo, kahayagan ba ito na binibigyang importansya namin ang hamon mo?
a. oo
b. hindi
5.) natatakot ka ba na maglatag ng argumento at regulasyon dahil alam mong papatulan ka namin?
a. oo
b. hindi
ngayon base sa iyong mga kasagutan ay desisyunan mo ang iyong tindig, at ilatag ang iyong hamon.nasa iyo ang diperensya kaibigan, unawain mo...
remarks : kinakabahan ka ata eh, malayo pa ang argumento easy ka lang, wag kang kakabahan.
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1.pasensya, hindi ko kaagad nabasa reply mo kaya ang nasagot ko ay yung patungkol kay ka jun ventelacion. siguro ay sabay kase tayong nag post.
2.patungkol naman sa iyong argumento, approved na po yun, ngayong meron na tayong argumento, maari po bang hindi na tayo ba iba-ba ng topic upang hindi tayo maligaw?
3.kelan naman po ako dapat na magtanong sa inyo? hindi naman po pedeng kayo nalang palagi ang magtatanong?
4.lilinawin ko lang ang argumento:
alien = ang panginoong Hesukristo ay tao
versus
zel777 = si Kristo ay Dios, tunay po ba o hindi tunay na Dios? mabuti na po kase yung malinaw.
maghihintay po ako sa inyong sagot, salamat po.
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alien :kahit ilan basta sasagot sa bawat katanungan, may kaugnayan sa pinag uusapan at may patotoo ng talata ng biblia
3. 10 or 20 min for evry stand?
Alien : di ko ma gets? Di na kailangan ng oras basta masasagot ang mga katanungan, sapagkat
hindi ako debatista akoy pangkaraniwang kaanib lamang sa aming lokal, subalit ang isasagot ko sa iyo ay base sa aral na tinanggap ko. Wag kang mag aalala isang aral lang dala namin.
2. tig-25 questios for cross-examine
alien nasagot na sa unang katanungan.
3. Questions will be strictly base only to the individual stand
alien : pakilinaw lang po
4. out of context questions: not allowed
alien : syempre
5. chat room debate po tayo
alien : bakit lilipat pa kung nasasagot naman ditto ng may kaayusan
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si Cristo ay tao
1. Si Cristo ay binalot ng lampin
Lucas 2:7
2.Lumaki si Jesus sa karunungan at pangangatawan
Lucas 2:52
3.Hinalas si Jesus
Lucas 2:21
4.May laman, mga buto at dugo si Cristo
Lucas 2:21
5.Nararanasan ni Cristo ang magutom, mauhaw, kumain, uminom
Mat 4:2, Juan 19:28,Lucas 24:43 Lucas 7:34
6.Naranasan ni Cristo ang mapagod
Juan 4:6
7.Pinawisan si Cristo
Lucas 22:44
8. Nanalangin si Jesus
Mat 26:39
Kung Diyos si Cristo, mananalangin ba siya sa sarili niya, dapat logical
9.Si Cristo ay tinuru-an o sinugo lamang ng Ama
Juan 8:28
O gusto mo zel dagdagan ko pa?
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1.tunay na tao at tunay na Dios ang panginoong Hesukristo?
2.kung magka ganun,wala na akong titindigan, kase inamin mo na ang pagiging tao ng Panginoong Hesukristo?
patungkol naman sa pagka Dios, (dito siguro magkaksundo na tayo)
titindigan :
alien = isang Dios na tunay ay hindi ang Panginoong Hesukristo
vs.
zel777 = Panginoong Hesukristo ang Dios na tunay
paglilinaw lang po wag po sanang ikasama ng inyong loob...
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4. Questions will be strictly base only to the individual stand
wag po kayo mag tatanong kung wala po un sa stand na
nai-coment ko sa forum. gaya po ng pang-gigipit sa talatang gamit nyo sa pagtatanong eh hindi ko naman po un nabangit.
ex
john: ako ay tao (stand)
boy: cute ako, talata ko ay cute 1:1, ikaw tao ka? (cross exam)
ok?
4. out of context questions: not allowed
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Nanghahamon ng debate eh kahit isa di namn nakaumpisa?
delaying tactics ata to buti pa siguro tulugan ko na lang tong c zel at anonymous,pagamot muna kayo ha?
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si Cristo ay tao
1. Si Cristo ay binalot ng lampin
Lucas 2:7
2.Lumaki si Jesus sa karunungan at pangangatawan
Lucas 2:52
3.Hinalas si Jesus
Lucas 2:21
4.May laman, mga buto at dugo si Cristo
Lucas 2:21
5.Nararanasan ni Cristo ang magutom, mauhaw, kumain, uminom
Mat 4:2, Juan 19:28,Lucas 24:43 Lucas 7:34
6.Naranasan ni Cristo ang mapagod
Juan 4:6
7.Pinawisan si Cristo
Lucas 22:44
8. Nanalangin si Jesus
Mat 26:39
Kung Diyos si Cristo, mananalangin ba siya sa sarili niya, dapat logical
9.Si Cristo ay tinuru-an o sinugo lamang ng Ama
Juan 8:28
O gusto mo zel dagdagan ko pa?
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4. Questions will be strictly base only to the individual stand
wag po kayo mag tatanong kung wala po un sa stand na
nai-coment ko sa forum. gaya po ng pang-gigipit sa talatang gamit nyo sa pagtatanong eh hindi ko naman po un nabangit.
ex
john: ako ay tao (stand)
boy: cute ako, talata ko ay cute 1:1, ikaw tao ka? (cross exam)
ok?
4. out of context questions: not allowed
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Probably Zel was a very confused man on his Trinity doctrine, he was trying to grasp for more 325AD Nicean doctrine but could not comprehend it since it really contradicts what the prestine doctrine of the Bible teaches.
His three person god was a man made doctrine and therefore he is afraid to use the Bible as his basis in this discussion.
alien : kung ganun ay ok na po, patutunayan kong ang na ang Ama ang nag iisang Dios na tunay
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versus
zel : patutunayan mong ang panginoong Hesukristo ang tunay na Dios.
tama po ba?
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zel: patutunayan mong ang panginoong Hesukristo ay (hindi ang) tunay na Dios.
versus
alien: patutunayan nyo na ang ang Ama ang nag iisang Dios na tunay? saglet po subject po natin ay si Cristo dpo ba?hindi ang po Ama..linawin lang po natin.
ok na po ung rules
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ang akin pong pag sagot sa mga thread na ito ay hindi nangangahulugan na “ pinakamagaling ”. kagaya ng nakasulat sa paghahamon, sapagkat ako po ay pangkaraniwang kapatid lamang sa ganang akin ang thread po na ito ay bukas para sa lahat sapagakat ang hamon ay may karugtong na ganito
zel added : “patutunayan ko mali aral nyo!”
kung kaya hinihikayat ko ang lahat ng kapatid na makibahagi upang lubos na maliwanagan ang ating kaibayo sa pananampalataya ukol sa ilang usapin.
Muli salamat po sa lahat ng nakikibahagi, ako po ay sumasagot ayon sa aral na natanggap at itinataguyod ko bilang isang Iglesia Ni Cristo.
Sa Dios po ang kapurihan.
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So what verse in the Bible where Jesus preached to his Apostles and the early christians that He is God?
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"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. - 1 Peter 4:14
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"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. - 1 Peter 4:14
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this is my stand after this, 15 questions from you is allowed..
MY 1st STAND:
John 1:1 nang pasimula siya ang verbo- Si Cristo po ang verbo na tinutokoy dito,
At ang verbo ay sumasa Dios-si Cristo po ay kasama na ng ating amang Dios ng pasimula,
ang talata po ay
Gen 1:26 sabi ng Dios lalangin NATIN ang tao,
Patuloy sa John 1:1 At ang Verbo ay Dios, na ngangahulang si Cristo ng pasimula ay Dios.
"may 15 questions po kayo na aking sasgutin ngunit ito ay base lamang sa aking stand.." you are not allowed to explaine questions only muna.. cross exam po ninyo ako.. after 15 questions.. you can explaine at mag tatanong naman po ako..
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If the term Word in English was equivalent to the term LOGOS in Greek and consequently "DABAR" in Hebrews.
Define LOGOS AND DABAR according to the Bible.
Please answer this.
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If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. - 1 Peter 4:14
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zel : patutunayan mong ang panginoong Hesukristo ay (hindi ang) tunay na Dios.
alien reply : nalilito po ba kayo? Ako po hindi, tanong ko po muna kung hindi tunay na Dios ano po yun? Pag hindi tunay wag na po nating pag usapan ano pa po ang saysay kung hindi naman tunay. Doon po tayo sa tunay.
versus
alien: patutunayan nyo na ang ang Ama ang nag iisang Dios na tunay?
Zel added : saglet po subject po natin ay si Cristo dpo ba?hindi ang po Ama..linawin lang po natin.
Alien reply : tama po kayo, yun po ang una nating argumento subalit dahil sa tumakbo ang usapin ng ganito
Zel post :
alien = ang panginoong Hesukristo ay tao
versus
zel777 = si Kristo ay Dios, tunay po ba o hindi tunay na Dios? mabuti na po kase yung malinaw.
error: sa argumento po ninyo ay hindi po tayo pwede magkasundo dahil sa doctrina namin siya ay tunay na tao rin. maganda po sana kung mapapalitan nyo.
opo patutunayan ko na cya ay tunay na Dios
ay sinagot kita ng ganito :
ang titindigan mo ay..
1.tunay na tao at tunay na Dios ang panginoong Hesukristo?
2.kung magka ganun,wala na akong titindigan, kase inamin mo na ang pagiging tao ng Panginoong Hesukristo?
patungkol naman sa pagka Dios, (dito siguro magkaksundo na tayo)
titindigan :
alien = isang Dios na tunay ay hindi ang Panginoong Hesukristo
vs.
zel777 = Panginoong Hesukristo ang Dios na tunay
paglilinaw lang po wag po sanang ikasama ng inyong loob...
at sinagot mo naman ng ganito :
error po:ang tunay na Dios po sa amin ay ang Ama, anak at holly espirit
kung ok lang po
titindigan :
alien = ang Panginoong Jesus Cristo ay hindi tunay Dios
vs.
zel777 = ang Panginoong Jesus Cristo ay tunay Dios
at muli kung nilinaw :
alien : kung ganun ay ok na po, patutunayan kong ang na ang Ama ang nag iisang Dios na tunay
(
versus
zel : patutunayan mong ang panginoong Hesukristo ang tunay na Dios.
tama po ba?
At ito na n gang last post mo :
hindi po mali po
zel: patutunayan mong ang panginoong Hesukristo ay (hindi ang) tunay na Dios.
versus
alien: patutunayan nyo na ang ang Ama ang nag iisang Dios na tunay? saglet po subject po natin ay si Cristo dpo ba?hindi ang po Ama..linawin lang po natin.
Kayo po ang pilit na umiiwas sa mga argumento kung kaya parang na d-delayed ang thread na ito, ganun pa man, lilinawin ko ulit ang aking stand na dahil sa tinanggap mo na ang pagiging tao ng Panginoong Hesukristo ay wala na akong unang titindigan kundi ang pagiging tunay na Dios na ng ating paninoong Dios o ng AMA.
Ang pagtangap po ninyo sa pagiging tao ng panginoong Hesukristo ay katumbas na rin ng pag amin na tama ang aming aral at ang pagpahyag na hindi tunay na dios ang Panginoong Hesukristo ay pag amin narin na invalido ang iyong argumento at tama ulit ang aming aral. pansinin at pag isipan po ninyo ang takbo ng usapan.
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hebrew?the New testament was Originated in greek, logos is translated as word.He was not yet named Jesus, or Christ. He is the Word whom the Father begat or spoke from eternity; by whom the Father speaking, maketh all things; who speaketh the Father to us. We have, in John 1:18, both a real description of the Word, and the reason why he is so called. He is the only begotten Son of the Father, who is in the bosom of the Father, and hath declared him.
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medyona busy po eh, paumanhin sa aking mabagal na pag sagot pansamantala po muna akong mawawala sa subalit patuloy ns susubaybay, eto ay sa kadahilanang may iba pa po akong mga gawain na dapat na matugunan.
salamat po sa pang unawa.
note : monitor mode lang po muna ako bro 4u2c, bro santos, bro apocalypses.
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ewan ko lang kung makapag angas pa tong mgato sa chat, kaya ayaw ko makipag debate sa forum kasi baboy kayo bastos at mayabang
una hindi nyo alam ang doctrina ng trinity, unutil kayo sa pagkaunawa kaya naaawa ako sa inyo. kung alam nyo lang kung gano kamali ang doctrina nyo.
eto lecture ko para sa inyong lahat. pinagtatangol ninyo doctrina nyo eh hindi naman pala ninyo alam ang meaning ng trinity.
sukat ba naman palabanin ako ng cya ang pumili ng paksa para skin
ok na sana kaso
ALIEN: zel777:patutunayan mong ang panginoong Hesukristo ang tunay na Dios
(hesukristo ang tunay na DIOS? wala kaming doctrinang ganyan! halatang BOBO si ALIEN...ang doctrina ng trinity "hesukristo ay tunay na DIos" hindi "ang"!!)
tapos hindi naman pala marunong makipag debate, nagyayabang lang.
eto ang trinity review nyo ng matauhan kayo!
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The word "trinity" is a term used to denote the Christian doctrine that God exists as a unity of three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each of the persons is distinct from the other, yet identical in essence. In other words, each is fully divine in nature, but each is not the totality of the other persons of the Trinity. Each has a will, loves, and says "I", and "You" when speaking. The Father is not the same person as the Son who is not the same person as the Holy Spirit who is not the same person as the Father. Each is divine, yet there are not three gods, but one God. There are three individual subsistences, or persons. The word "subsistence" means something that has a real existence. The word "person" denotes individuality and self awareness. The Trinity is three of these, though the latter term has become the dominant one used to describe the individual aspects of God known as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Included in the doctrine of the Trinity is a strict monotheism which is the teaching that there exists in all the universe a single being known as God who is self-existent and unchangeable (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8). Therefore, it is important to note that the doctrine of the trinity is not polytheistic as some of its critics proclaim. Trinitarianism is monotheistic by definition and those who claim it is polytheistic demonstrate a lack of understanding of what it really is.
The Trinity
God is three persons
Each person is divine
There is only one God.
Many theologians admit that the term "person" is not a perfect word to describe the three individual aspects/foci found in God. When we normally use the word person, we understand it to mean physical individuals who exist as separate beings from other individuals. But in God there are not three entities, nor three beings. God, is a trinity of persons consisting of one substance and one essence. God is numerically one. Yet, within the single divine essence are three individual subsistences that we call persons.
Each of the three persons is completely divine in nature though each is not the totality of the Godhead.
Each of the three persons is not the other two persons.
Each of the three persons is related to the other two, but are distinct from them.
The word "trinity" is not found in the Bible. But this does not mean that the concept is not taught there. The word "bible" is not found in the Bible either, but we use it anyway. Likewise, the words "omniscience," which means "all knowing," "omnipotence," which means "all powerful," and "omnipresence," which means "present everywhere," are not found in the Bible either. But we use these words to describe the attributes of God. So, to say that the Trinity isn't true because the word isn't in the Bible is an invalid argument.
Is there subordination in the Trinity?
There is, apparently, a subordination within the Trinity in regard to order but not substance or essence. We can see that the Father is first, the Son is second, and the Holy Spirit is third. The Father is not begotten, but the Son is (John 3:16). The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (John 5:26). The Father sent the Son (1 John 4:10). The Son and the Father send the Holy Spirit (John 14:26; 15:26). The Father creates (Isaiah 44:24), the Son redeems (Gal. 3:13), and the Holy Spirit sanctifies (Rom. 15:16).
This subordination of order does not mean that each of the members of the Godhead are not equal or divine. For example, we see that the Father sent the Son. But this does not mean that the Son is not equal to the Father in essence and divine nature. The Son is equal to the Father in his divinity, but inferior in his humanity. A wife is to be subject to her husband but this does not negate her humanity, essence, or equality. By further analogy, a king and his servant both share human nature. Yet, the king sends the servant to do his will. Jesus said, "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me" (John 6:38). Of course Jesus already is King, but the analogy shows that because someone is sent, it doesn't mean they are different than the one who sent him.
Critics of the Trinity will see this subordination as proof that the Trinity is false. They reason that if Jesus were truly God, then He would be completely equal to God the Father in all areas and would not, therefore, be subordinate to the Father in any way. But this objection is not logical. If we look at the analogy of the king and in the servant we certainly would not say that the servant was not human because he was sent. Being sent does not negate sameness in essence. Therefore, the fact that the Son is sent does not mean that He is not divine any more than when my wife sends me to get bread, I am not human.
Is this confusing?
Another important point about the Trinity is that it can be a difficult concept to grasp. But this does not necessitate an argument against its validity. On the contrary, the fact that it is difficult is an argument for its truth. The Bible is the self revelation of an infinite God. Therefore, we are bound to encounter concepts which are difficult to understand -- especially when dealing with an incomprehensible God who exists in all places at all times. So, when we view descriptions and attributes of God manifested in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, we discover that a completely comprehensible and understandable explanation of God's essence and nature is not possible. What we have, however, done is derive from the Scripture the truths that we can grasp and combine them into the doctrine we call The Trinity. The Trinity is, to a large extent, a mystery. After all, we are dealing with God Himself.
It is the way of the cults to reduce biblical truth to make God comprehensible and understandable by their minds. To this end, they subject God's word to their own reasoning and end in error. The following verses are often used to demonstrate that in the doctrine of the Trinity is indeed biblical.
Matt. 28:18, Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
1 Cor. 12:4-6, Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6And there are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.
2 Cor. 13:14, The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.
Eph. 4:4-7, There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. 7But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift.
1 Pet. 1:2, "according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in fullest measure."
Jude 20-21, "But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith; praying in the Holy Spirit; 21keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life."
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zel777
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No score for this post September 28 2007, 4:54 PM
hebrew?the New testament was Originated in greek, logos is translated as word.He was not yet named Jesus, or Christ. He is the Word whom the Father begat or spoke from eternity; by whom the Father speaking, maketh all things; who speaketh the Father to us. We have, in John 1:18, both a real description of the Word, and the reason why he is so called. He is the only begotten Son of the Father, who is in the bosom of the Father, and hath declared him.
# Various translations
"the Word was Divine" (Goodspeed, E.J. An American Translation N.T. 1923).
"the Logos was Divine" (Moffatt, J. The Bible 1950).
"And what God was, the Word was" (New English Bible 1961).
"the Word was Divine" (Schonfield, H.L. Authentic N.T. 1956).
"The Word was with God and shared his nature" (Translator's N.T. 1973).
"and the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God" (Barclay, W. N.T. 1968).
We have here an abundant testimony from leading Trinitarian scholars. Notice how these scholars unanimously agree that John is not indicating who the Word was ("God") but what the Word was (divine). However, readers who see the phrase written as, "and the Word was God," are misled into believing John's intention was indeed to tell us WHO the Word was.
The capitalized English word "God" is the equivalent of the Greek term ho theos ("the god") which is precisely what these scholars insist John did not say, did not intend to say, and could not say without promoting heresy.
So why then do these Trinitarians persist in translating John 1:1 incorrectly? Because it suits their agenda. Even though they know very well that John is using the word theos in a qualitative sense to describe the essence or nature of the Word, they continue to allow their own readers believe he is using it in a quantitative sense to identify the word as a person known as "God."
The deciding factor is admitted by Trinitarian scholars. John did not say and could not have said, "the word was the god." If he had said the Word was "the God," he would have been saying The Word was the person the Word was also with and that would be the Father. However, the term "the god" is exactly the same thing as saying, "the word was God." Why? The English word "God" is the equivalent of the Greek term "the god." Therefore, if John did not say, and could not say, "the word was the god" then he did not say, and could not say, "the word was God" because both expressions are intended to convey the very same concept!
Therefore, the only viable options are to translate the passage as, "the Word was god," "the Word was diety," or "the Word was divine." Of course, the Trinitarian also mistakenly assumes that if the Word is deity by nature the Word is also then God by identity which is as absurd.Moreover, we too share in the divine nature and the fullness of deity (2 Peter 1:4; Col 2:9-10) and we will never be God by identity even after we are raised from the dead and this divine nature becomes inherent in us bodily. And neither is Jesus.
Father.... that they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you sent. (John 17:3).
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"For though although we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but the power of God to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle to the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ." - The Apostle Paul
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. - 1 Peter 4:14
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kagaya ng nauna kong pahayag na "siguraduhn mong hindi ikaw ang pagtatwanan sa dulo ng thread na ito" sapagkat ngayon palang kinokontra mo na ang mga pahayag mo. ibig ko ring bigyang diin na hindi ako nag p-pretend na magaling, kung susurin ang ating usapan ikaw ang hindi makapili ng tamang tema, kung ang paraan mo ng pag iwas sa ating usapan ay ang pag tutungayaw at pag c-contol c at contol v, sa palagay ko ikaw ang hindi nakakaunawa sa mga pinag k-kopya mo, kaya ko nga nililinaw sayo para hindi na tayo maligaw, naalala mo ba yang salitang yan sa mga posting ko?(memo plus).
kagaya ng thread mo kay patungkol kay kap. na jun ventilacion, lumalabas na naman na ikaw ang kulang sa kaalaman, mababasa sa ilang mga thread dito na little knowledge is dangerous. kaya ang payo ko sayo bago ka maghamon siguraduhin mo muna kung alam mo na nga.trinity? aral na inimbento ng tao, tsk..tsk..tsk.. imbentor ka rin ba? o pangahas?
dami mong pasakalye di mo naman mabigyang linaw agad, tsk..tsk..tsk.., akala mo siguro makakapuntos ka, sa susunod galingan mo.
di mo na kailangang mag bad mouth, di tayo magkatulad. teka, itinituro ba yan sa religiong kinaaaniban mo? ang maging bastos sa pakikipagpalitan ng kuro-kuro kapag wala ng maisagot?.
itigil mo na rin ang akusasyon mo na mga "bastos" kami sa pakikipag-usap, nakikita naman siguro ng mga readers kung sino sa atin ang hindi natututo ng kagandahang asal.
muli sa DIOS po ang kapurihan.
what goes around comes around
Iglesia Ni Cristo
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Aba, diskusyon chat? Narinig ko na yan a, mukhang nagpapanggap nanaman itong 777 na ito, kamukat-mukat mo si Romel Yap Malapira lang pala. Sayang lang oras nyo d'yan, pati bandwidth nyo sayang dahil gusto lang makuha ip adress nyo sabay upak ng DDoS.
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tanong ko lang po kung ano po yung DDoS kase minsan parang bumabagal connection ko eh, hindi ko maintindihan, nais ko lang pong siguraduhin baka po kase naisahan na ako. manghihingi na rin po ako ng tips para ma detect at ma-repair ko ang mga ganitong problema.
maraming salamat po.
what goes around comes around
Iglesia Ni Cristo
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Distrito ng Eklesiastico ng Cebu South
"Sapagka't may isang Dios at may isang tagapamagitan sa Dios at mga tao, ang taong si Cristo Jesus." - I Timoteo 2:5
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is an attempt to make a computer resource unavailable to its intended users. Although the means to, motives for and targets of a DoS attack may vary, it generally comprises the concerted, malevolent efforts of a person or persons to prevent an Internet site or service from functioning efficiently or at all, temporarily or indefinitely.
Perpetrators of DoS attacks typically — but not exclusively — target sites or services hosted on high-profile web servers; a pair of DNS Backbone DDoS Attacks, on October 22, 2002 and February 6, 2007, targeted DNS root servers, in an apparent attempt to "disable the Internet" itself by taking away an option of addressing Internet servers by their human-friendly names.
alien
(Login zagger)
to bro lioncrypt
No score for this post September 29 2007, 7:41 AM
tanong ko lang po kung ano po yung DDoS kase minsan parang bumabagal connection ko eh, hindi ko maintindihan, nais ko lang pong siguraduhin baka po kase naisahan na ako. manghihingi na rin po ako ng tips para ma detect at ma-repair ko ang mga ganitong problema.
maraming salamat po.
DDoS - Distributed Denial of Service Attack.
Maramihang DoS attack ang ibig sabihin nito, ang source ng attack ay galing sa mas maraming source.
Kung genuine ang Microsoft product mong ginagamit gaya ng Windows XP, puede kang mag-auto update ng mga patches para mas madali. Kung Hindi genuine ang product mo kailangan mong i-download ito manually. Kung nag Windows XP ka na may Service Pack 2, kakailanganin pa niyan ng mga 58 security patches.
Activate mo rin ang Windows Firewall mo,
Makakatulong din ang anti Virus software pero dapat ay update ang virus definition patches nito.
Kung naka broadband ka gaya ng Globe or SmartBro mas makakabuti na bumili ka na ng Broadband Router para meron kang another layer of protection gaya ng Network Address Translation (NAT) at hardware firewall.
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Kalabg
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Pag nag upgrade ka ng PII mas malamang lahat yan palit na. Iba kasi ang m-board ng newer generation processor pati memory mong luma di na rin puede. Kaya mas malamang bagong PC na lang.
Baka puno na rin ang hard disk mo, kaya mabagal na rin at di na makapag process ng swap memory or temp files sa disk. Free up some space to at least 40%.
You can also check your virtual memory allocation:
Right click My Computer -> click "Properties" -> click "Advanced" -> On Performance click "settings" -> click "Advanced" -> on Virtual Memory click "change" -> Set Initial size and Maximum size in MB (if you can use 1.5 to 2GB it would be best).
May plan 1999pesoses yata sa Smartbro for 24months with free PC.
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Kalabg
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Mag-ingat kayo sa mga Yahoo email nyo. May natanggap ako ngayon lang. Tama ang sabi ni Eagles' Eye, may insider sa Yahoo. Ingat sa pag-reply at pag-click ng mga link na ipinapadala.
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gudkisserr
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Re: huling napasubo
No score for this post December 10 2006, 12:37 AM
13answer gus2 mo sa chatroom tayo? yang kontrahan na sinasabi mo eh kontrahan lang yan sa isip mo heheheeh kung totoong may kontra sa sinasabi ko eh edi sa chatroom tayo....
sa chatroom mo sabihin yan at maghanda ka ng bala mo hehehehe dahil baka magkalat ka sa chatroom
di ako tumatangap ng palusot basta kung ayaw mo lumaban eh wag mo na ipakita mukha mo d2 hehehehe
ang di lumaban bakla hehehehe
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gudkisserr: "KUNG TOTOONG SA DIOS KAYO EH SA CHATROOM TAYO"
Anonymous
(Login eranolito)
SANTOS wag ka mangigil
No score for this post September 28 2007, 3:10 PM
santos mamaya pag tapos namin ng kaibigan kong si Alien, sa chat room tayo magusap vash_116@yahoo.com ... add mo nako!
latag mo ang paksa mo..debate tayo sa yahoo messenger
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zel777
(Login eranolito)
start na natin?
No score for this post September 28 2007, 3:54 PM
cge kapatid pagusapan na natin ng maayos.. eto po ung chat room kapatid..
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Anonymous
(Login eranolito)
start na natin?
No score for this post September 28 2007, 3:57 PM
I will make my stand if its ok 4 you. tapos cross exam ntin ay sa chat room nato..
//www.network54.com/Chat/129290
Alin ang naiba?...
Hmmmmmmmm???......
Talakayan ng mga duktrina at sinasabi ni Eli Soriano at ng kanyang Ang Dating Daan.
Ano mang mga isyu tungkol kay Eli Soriano ng Ang Dating Daan ay pwedeng pag-usapan dito. Lahat ng taga-pagtangol ng Ang Dating Daan ni Eli Soriano ay ina-anyayahan na ipagtangol ang anumang sa inaakala nyong di wasto ang mga sinasabi dito sa forum na ito at makaka-asa kayong di mawawala o di mabubura ang inyong mga kasagutan.
Ang maaari lang mabura o ma-delete ay ang mga sumusunod....
1.Malicious codes
2.Mga pics na hindi na katangap-tangap
3.Nang-gugulo lamang sa forum
Listahan ng IP Kaanib sa Ang Dating Daan ni Eli Soriano na nangugulo dito sa forum.....
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