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Philippians 2:6

One of the most oft-cited Bible verses relative to the issue under consideration, and which itself has given rise to much deliberations, is Philippians 2:6, which says,

"Who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God" (Ibid.).

That this verse has been either paraphrased or liberally rendered by some translators who believe that Christ is God is very evident in the following versions:

?"Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God." (Contemporary English Version)

?"Though he was God, he did not demand and cling to his rights as God." (New Living Translation)

?"Who, though he was God, did not demand and cling to his rights as God." (Living Bible)

The most common explication of the verse by the advocates of the Christ-is-God doctrine is that God divested Himself of His divine nature and became man or, as some would put it, that God walked incognito on earth in the person of Jesus Christ.

Even without delving into the Greek language in which Philippians 2:6 was originally written, one cannot but notice immediately the obvious and great discrepancy, incongruence, and absurdity of the three foregoing renderings and the interpretation that is responsible for them. Mere spiritual comparison of this verse with the other related verses plainly shows that such an interpretation, and its concomitant renderings, are wrong.

Two distinct beings

Verse nine, for example, states, "Wherefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name" (KJV).

The existence here of two distinct beings is undeniable:

-one is God, who "has highly exalted [Christ] and given Him the name which is above every name," and

-the other one is Christ, who has been highly exalted by God.

If "Christ was truly God," - as CEV rendered, how could He be "highly exalted ... and given ... the name which is above every name" by God? How could Christ and the God, who exalted Him, be both "truly God"?

In verse six itself, and using CEV, the mistranslation is quite obvious -

"Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God."

Again, the existence here of two distinct beings is very evident: one who "was truly God" and another one whom He "did not try to remain equal with."

User-friendly translations seek to make the Bible more readable and easier to understand, but if a verse is rendered in such a way that its original meaning is lost or twisted in the process, then that verse cannot be relied upon as God's Word. In view of this, strict accuracy,' achieved by faithfulness to the original languages in which a text was written is, therefore, to be immensely preferred to readability.

Form, Image: 'near synonyms'

The KJV renders the verse: "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."

The phrases "being in the form of God" (which is written) and "being God" (which is concluded) definitely do not mean the same thing. Just because Christ is "in the form of God," it does not necessarily mean that Christ "is God." In fact, not only do they mean two different things-they also are "spiritually incomparable." They are simply scripturally irreconcilable, considering the meaning of "form" and the fact that "form" and "image" (man, let it not be forgotten, was created in the image of God) are "near synonyms" (Christology in the Making: An Inquiry into the Origins of the Doctrine of the Incarnation, p

According to The Wycliffe Bible Commentary, "form" ("morphe" in Greek) denotes an expression of "essential attributes" or "essential qualities" of God: "6. Being in the form of God (AV). Better, Though in his pre-incarnate state he possessed the essential qualities of God, he did not consider his status of divine quality a prize to be selfishly hoarded (taking harpagmos passively). Morphe, form, in verses 6 and 7 denotes a permanent expression of essential attributes, while schema, fashion (v. 8 ), refers to outward appearance that is subject to change" (p. 1324).

Wycliffe's commentary is corroborated by a more pronounced explanation by other Bible commentators, who say that "in the form of God" does not refer to the "divine essence" or "divine nature" but to "the external self-manifesting characteristics" of God. " ... Who subsisting (or existing, viz., originally: the Greek is not the simple substantive verb, to be) in the form of God (the divine essence is not meant: but the external self-manifesting characteristics of God, the form shining forth from His glorious essence. The divine nature had infinite BEAUTY in itself, even without any creature contemplating that beauty: that beauty was 'the form of God'; as 'the form of a servant' (vs. 7) ... " (Practical and Explanatory Commentary on the Whole Bible, p. 1305)

Contrary to the popular understanding that Christ's "being in the form of God" in Philippians 2: 6 means that Christ is God, the use by the Apostle Paul of the word "form" (which is synonymous with "image") to refer to Christ is in itself an unequivocal proof that Christ is man, for, of all creatures, it is really man who was created in the image of God (Gen. 1:27). "It has long been recognized that ... (form) and ... (image) are near synonyms and that in Hebrew thought the visible 'form of God' is his glory ... " (Christology in the Making: An Inquiry into the Origins of the Doctrine of the Incarnation, p. 115).

Therefore, Apostle Paul's reference to Christ as "being in the form of God" in Philippians 2:6 is synonymous-or spiritually comparable- with his allusion to Christ as being "the image of the invisible God" in Colossians 1:15. But Christ's being "the image of the invisible God" does not make Him God, just as all other men's being created in the image of God does not make us all Gods. No doubt, Philippians 2:6 and Colossians 1:15 are spiritually comparable; they both underscore Christ's being a man, and not His allegedly being God.

In righteousness and holiness

Lest Christ's being the image of God be misconstrued to mean in the visual sense, Apostle Paul, at once, clarifies that God is "invisible" (Col. 1:15; I Tim. 1:17)-a term spiritually comparable with Christ's statement that "God is Spirit" John 4:24), which means that God has no flesh and bones (Luke 24:36-39).

In what sense then is Christ the image of the invisible God, a characteristic that not only He, in fact, but all men should possess since all men have been created in God's image? In righteousness and holiness (Eph. 4:23-24, TEV).

Although God has made man­kind upright in keeping with His desire that men be in His image, yet men "have gone in search of many schemes," thereby failing to live up to his Maker's design. "This only have I found: God made mankind upright, but men have gone in search of many schemes" (Eccles. 7:29, New lnternational Version).

It is for this reason that all men need the Lord Jesus Christ, for Christ, being the only man who is sinless (I Pet. 2:21-22), is the only one who has lived up to God's purpose of creating man in His image. Apostle Paul says, "It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God-that is, our righteousness, holiness, and redemption" (I Cor. 1:30, NIV).

Owing to this, Paul urges the Christians who have truly "heard about [Christ] and were taught in him" that for them to be in "the likeness of God," they must "put off [their] old nature which belongs to [their] former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of [their] minds, and put on the new nature, created after likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness" (Eph. 4:20-24, Revised Standard Version).

And to be able to heed this exhortation, they need to have the mind of Christ-humble and obedient. Paul says, "Let this mind be in you which
was also in Christ Jesus, ... And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross" (Phil. 2:5, 8, New King James Version).

Christ is in the form or image of God in righteousness and holiness, and His followers should be so, too.

God does not change

The error in the belief that "God became man" lies in the fact that the true God of the Bible-who is neither man nor the son of man (Num. 23: 19)-is immutable. God does not change, as He Himself says, "For I the Lord do not change" (Mal. 3:6, RSV).

Consistent with this, Apostle James writes:

"Every good endowment and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change." (James 1:17, Ibid.)

Clearly then, the belief that "God became man" is, to say the least, not spiritually comparable with other re­lated verses. We can come up with a host of other related Bible verses with which the Christ-is-God interpreta­tion of Philippians 2:6 simply cannot be spiritually compared. Instead of the verse introducing Christ as God, it actually all the more affirms the doc­trine that Christ is man, and not God. Thus, when compared with "spiritual things" (I Cor. 2:13, KJV), the Christ­is-God dogma miserably fails .?


References
Dunn, James D.G. Christology in the Mak­ing: An Inquiry into the Origins of the Doctrine of the Incarnation. London: SCM Press Ltd., 1980.
Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown. Practical and Explanatory Commentary on the Whole Bible. Grand Rapids, Michigan:Zondervan Publishing House, 1961.

Pfeiffer, Charles F. and Everett F. Har­rison. The Wycliffe Bible Commentary: A Phrase by Phrase Commentary of the Bible. Chicago: The Moody Bible In­stitute, 1990.

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Pagtulad sa Pagpapakababa ni Cristo
5Ito ay sapagkat kailangang taglayin ninyo ang kaisipan na na kay Cristo Jesus din naman. 6Bagaman siya ay nasa anyong Diyos, hindi niya itinuring na kailangang pakahawakan ang kaniyang pagiging kapantay ng Diyos. 7Bagkus ginawa niyang walang kabuluhan ang kaniyang sarili at tinanggap niya ang anyo ng isang alipin at nakitulad sa tao. 8Yamang siya ay nasumpungan sa anyong tao, siya ay nagpakumbaba at naging masunurin hanggang sa kamatayan, maging sa kamatayan sa krus.


Hindi tunay na Dios:
- Naging masunurin hanngang sa kamatayn sa krus!

Paglabag sa talata pag tinanggap na Dios si Cristo:
1 Kay Timoteo 1 (Ang Salita ng Diyos)Ang Salita ng Diyos (SND)
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1 Kay Timoteo 1
17Ngayon, sa Haring walang hanggan at walang pagkabulok, at hindi nakikita, at tanging matalinong Diyos, sumakaniya ang karangalan at kaluwalhatian magpakailan pa man. Siya nawa.

1 Mga Taga-Corinto 15 (Ang Salita ng Diyos)
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3Ito ay sapagkat ibinigay ko na nga sa inyo nang una pa lamang ang akin ding tinanggap, na si Cristo ay namatay para sa ating mga kasalanan ayon sa mga kasulatan.
Ang totoong DIOS ay IMMORTAL!

Mga Taga-Filipos 1 (Ang Salita ng Diyos)
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2Sumainyo nawa ang biyaya at kapayapaang mula sa Diyos na ating Ama at sa Panginoong Jesucristo.

Juan 17 (Ang Salita ng Diyos)
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Juan 17
Nanalangin si Jesus Kara sa Kaniyang Sarili

1Sinabi ni Jesus ang mga bagay na ito at tumingin siya sa langit at nagsabi:
Ama ang oras ay dumating na. Luwalhatiin mo ang
iyong Anak at nang luwalhatiin ka rin naman ng Anak.
2Kung paanong binigyan mo siya ng kapamahalaan sa
lahat ng tao, sa gayunding paraan siya ay magbibigay ng
buhay na walang hanggan sa lahat ng ibinigay mo sa
kaniya. 3Ito ang buhay na walang hanggan: Ang makilala
ka nila, ang tanging Diyos na totoo at si Jesucristo na
iyong sinugo.


John 17 (New International Version)
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John 17
Jesus Prays for Himself
1After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.





Ang magiging rgumento: Likas na kalagayan!

Deuteronomio 4:14

Ingatan nga ninyo mabuti ang inyong mga sarili; sapagkat wala kayong nakitang anomang anyo nang araw na magsalita ang Panginoon sa inyo sa Horeb mula sa gitna ng apoy.

Juan 4:24
Ang Dios ay Espiritu! (likas na kalagayan)

Lucas 24 (Ang Salita ng Diyos)
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Lucas 24
39Tingnan ninyo ang aking mga kamay at mga paa. Ang mga ito ay nagpapatunay na ako ito. Hipuin ninyo ako at tingnan. Ang espiritu ay walang laman at buto tulad ng nakikita ninyo sa akin.
Mag kaiba ang likas na kalagayan ng Panginoong Dios at Panginoong Jesus.



Katumbas ng banggit na si Kristo ay nasa anyong Dios? Hindi tumutukoy sa likas na kalagayan.


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Pagtulad sa Pagpapakababa ni Cristo

6Bagaman siya ay nasa anyong Diyos, hindi niya itinuring na kailangang pakahawakan ang kaniyang pagiging kapantay ng Diyos. 7Bagkus ginawa niyang walang kabuluhan ang kaniyang sarili at tinanggap niya ang anyo ng isang alipin at nakitulad sa tao. 8Yamang siya ay nasumpungan sa anyong tao, siya ay nagpakumbaba at naging masunurin hanggang sa kamatayan, maging sa kamatayan sa krus.

PROOF: ITINAAS SYA NG DIOS AT BINGYAN PA NG PANGALAN.

9Kaya nga, siya naman ay lubhang itinaas ng Diyos at binigyan ng pangalang higit sa lahat ng pangalan.



Philippians 2 (New International Version)
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Philippians 2

6Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.


PRUWEBA:

9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.



“..it has been long recognized that ‘Morphe’ (form) and ‘eikon ‘ (image) are near synonyms and that Hebrew thought the ‘visible form of God’ is his glory”
CHRISTOLOGY IN THE MAKING By James D.G. Dunn p.115

Si Cristo ay larawan o anyo ng Dios hindi TUNAY NA DIOS!

In the form of GOD- hindi sa kalagayan tumutukoy kundi sa KALUWALHATIAN ng Panginoong Dios.


PROOF AGAIN:

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4Binulag ng diyos ng kapanahunang ito ang mga kaisipan ng mga hindi sumampalataya upang hindi lumiwanag sa kanila ang liwanag ng ebanghelyo ng kaluwalhatian ni Cristo na siyang ANYO ng Diyos.

Sa ibang salin…na syang larawan ng DIOS!


In the form of GOD- hindi sa kalagayan tumutukoy kundi sa KALUWALHATIAN ng Panginoong Dios.

EFESO 4:24
“at ang dapat makita sa inyo’y ang bagong pagkatao na nilikhang kalarawan ng DIOS, kalarawan ng kanyang katwuiranat kabanalan.”

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24At isuot ninyo ang bagong pagkatao na ayon sa Diyos ay nilalang sa katuwiran at totoong kabanalan





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-1 CORINTO 6:9 "...ang mga bakla, ang mga gumagamit sa kapuwa lalaki ay hindi mangagmamana ng kaharian ng Diyos".
-LEVITICUS 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely
be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

- The Bible condemns the sin of homosexuality (Romans 1:24-32). Homosexuality is morally reprehensible and disgusting!

-Santiago 3:9
Sa pamamagitan ng dila ay pinupuri natin ang Diyos Ama. Ginagamit din natin ito sa pagsumpa sa mga taong ginawa ng Diyos ayon sa kaniyang wangis.
-Santiago 1:26
Kung ang sinuman sa inyo ay waring relihiyoso at HINDI NIYA PINIPIGIL ANG KANIYANG DILA, subalit dinadaya niya ang kaniyang puso, ang kaniyang relihiyon ay walang kabuluhan.
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salamat sa inyo.
God Bless

mga bro ayon sa kausap kong atheist. maari nyo po ba akong tulungan dito?



1. who wrote genesis?
2. If adam and eve is the only people created by god then who is that girl that cain had married? where dis she came from?
3. why did God created the snake and the tree of knowledge if he knew that it will bring no good to adam and eve?
4. why did god warned eve that she'll die the moment she'll eat the fruit of knowledge? she didn't die the moment she ate the fruit right? is God a liar?


thnks po sainyo.

Bro,
Pinaka-walang kwenta sa lahat na makipag-palitan ng paliwanagan sa mga Atehista o sa mga nagsasabing walang Dios dahil sila mismo eh hindi naniniwala sa Dios eh sa Biblia pa kaya? Kaya...

Ang dapat na pagtalunan o pag-debatihan kapag kausap mo ang mga atehista ay...

PATUNAYAN nila na walang Dios at sa mga naniniwalang may Dios ay PATUTUNAYAN NAMAN NA MAY DIOS.

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ahh ok bro.. tama nga nman useless. kasi may isa tayong kapatid doon na nakikipag paliwanagan pero parang nangungulit yung atheista.

siguro nga yan na lang ang itatanong ko sakanya..

salamat ulit
God Bless

May naalala ako minsan dito sa ating forum na atehista at diyan nauwi ang isyu kaya hayun...nawala ang yabang at hindi narin nagpakita rito sa ating forum.

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