Hi
Just wondering how many variations of SAF cuffs are out there.
Joe L. shows 2 of the peerless style in this site.
One is marked "New Zealand Police" and the other has no such markings.
I thought all SAF cuffs were marked "NZ Police" so this was interesting to see.
Joe has the NZ cuff listed as being from Australia, and I'm not sure if that is accurate.
I have seen these cuffs in a 2 link configuration and with a single large oval link.
I would like to see what is out there. Pleae post what you have.

Doing a search on the topic I pulled up many discussion on NZ cuffs and thougt I saw some pictures of many cuffs a while ago, but see nothing now.

mark
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Ok Mark, here is my contribution.

Two double link, one with and one without "New Zeeland Police" markings. I miss the single link version.
I beleive the one with single link is earlier.

/Lars

Lars.

Thank you for the pictures.
You take them very well. So well infact, that I can see the color difference in the hinge pin material in the bottom pic.
I never realized that there were unmarked versions until today.

mark
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Small Arms Factory (SAF), Lithgow, New South Wales, Australia

First model has two obvious distinguishing features. A single oblong link and the bow has a milled groove on one side only.
Next it had a groove both sides and 2 links. They were used extensively in Australian and New Zealand Police and Corrective Services.
There are other differences in the keying, see photo. All have the Small Arms Factory logo but only the later ones seem to have the words "Small Arms Factory, Lithgow, N.S.W." stamped on them.

Left is the first model where each half of the cuff is keyed the same. Next is the NZ Army model where each half is a mirror of the other. Third is a New Zealand Police (standard model) which is keyed from the other side of the cuff. All are modeled after the old style Peerless cuff.


The SAF-LOK is a whole other cuff made by the same company under different owners over time. The number of variations is a bit blurry due to the number of links used, color of the bow, markings on the bows etc and it is unclear if these changed slightly due to different suppliers of some components ie links. But there are also differences in the mechanisms to what is in the patent and some variation in the rivets to the bow. I don't think the subtle variations to the Saf-Lok makes a "New Model" but certainly changes to the mechanisms would even if the bows all say SAF-LOK MK.1.but I'm no expert on mechanisms.

Then there are the more recent SAF-LOK models, Standard, Hinged and limited trial model Bed Cuff which is a single cuff on a long chain and link. I am less familiar with recent models.
I hope that helps.
Paul Davies

Very intersting info.
It should be noted that your middle ciff is marked "NZ Army". This is a marking that I was unaware of.
Your first cuff with both right (or left) halfs is interesting too.
I know of another cuff with a heavy rivet at the hinge. Something like the S&W 94.
I will try to get a picture of that and post it.

Thank you!

mark
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Thanks Mark!

Stephan Gage wrote a great article in the 07 Annual about these cuffs.
The version used in New Zealand (below)has the heavier hinge pins.
I have documentation from the family of a police officer who worked for the Royal Ulster Constabulary in Ireland and he used these SAF cuffs there. Not sure if his whole department used them as well.

Anybody have any SAF cuffs for sale? I would love one of the Army marked or oval link without the big hinge pin.




mark
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Mark,

Let me have a look as to what I have , if not then I know of some one who may want to part with a pair or two

cheers
Michael Lee

I do have this spare pair of NZ Police SAF which I would consider trading for a rare English or US cuff.
The offer is open to anyone, so email me if interested and tell me what spares you would consider trading.
Don't hurry, I will consider offers carefully.
Regards
Paul

Hi

Here is my contibution of the saf loks







best

patrick

Great, now I'll have to buy another keyboard after the drool shorts this one out!

Super-great pics guys. Paul, who is in posession of the prototypes? Never saw those.

One of these days I must obtain a nickled MK-I. That is just an incredible cuff.

Tim

The prototypes are in the Small Arms Factory Museum at Lithgow, and cuffs are just a small display - mainly guns and other odd things they made.
Paul

Hi all,
I have some SAF cuffs for sale.
I think they are the 2nd edition will try and upload some photo's.
all marked up with Small Arms Factory star and small arms factory lithgow N.S.W.
They are serial numbered 10151 but I can't dig up any more info than that.

I'm thinking they should be worth £250 GB £'s does that sound about right?

Jim, you may not get any buyers at that price. In their country of origin they can be found for between $50 and $150 and yours are in rather poor condition. You may get more on eBay if you start them at a reasonable price.
Good Luck

Paul,
Thanks for the info I was only going on some past ebay sales that were $400-$650 nz. I will pop them on ebay and see what happens.

Jim, they were a different model with riveted bows.

Well they are on Fleace Bay and getting bids so will see what happens
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320964300089?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649#ht_500wt_1203

Heres mine:

Note the large VP (Victorian Police) and the large 4-digit Numbers.

---Joe Fox