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Halifax JP244 FS-S

March 20 2004 at 3:43 PM

  (Login __richard__)
from IP address 172.190.145.22

 
Looking for anymore info on this Halifax.

JP244, Codes FS-S, believed 148 Sqn. All deceased have same dates - 29/10/44.

F/O E.J STUBLEY - 152396 RAFVR
F/Sgt J. THOMPSON - 642357 RAF
F/Sgt E.L. BROWN - 1494454 RAFVR
F/Sgt A. DONNELLY - 975450 RAFVR
Sgt A. COOTE - 1894920 RAFVR
Sgt R.C. KNEE - 1331866 RAFVR
Sgt C. HABBS – 1685949

Any way of finding out which crewmember did which trade? I'm not sure if these are in the correct order as you would find for a Bomber crew....?

Cheers!

Richard

 
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(Login __richard__)
172.186.231.45

Typo on name

March 22 2004, 5:47 PM 

It's actually SGT C MABBS.

 
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Rob
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62.254.64.9

Re Halifax JP244 FS-S

March 23 2004, 1:31 PM 

Halifax JP244 Failed to return from SOE opperation
29-9-44 base Libya, Derna or Tocra, No more, sorry.

 
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Aidan
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213.66.180.74

Re: Halifax JP244 FS-S

April 2 2004, 9:25 PM 

Hello!

JP244, FS-E of No. 148 Squadron, failed to return from 'northern Italy' on the night in question. The squadron was based at Brindisi, on the SE coast of Italy, at the time.

Source: No.148 Squadron History


 
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Aidan
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Re: Re: Halifax JP244 FS-S

April 2 2004, 9:28 PM 

Sorry, I missed a bit: the night in question (according to the History) was the 28/29 September, not October as according to your records.

 
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(Login __richard__)
172.190.28.110

Wartime typo?

April 3 2004, 7:31 AM 

The discrepancy is between the dates of all the crew being listed as missing - 29th October - and the recorded loss date of 29th September. Mind you, there's huge amounts of discrepancies throughout wartime records. I wonder which is most likely to be correct?

 
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Aidan
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Re: Wartime typo?

April 4 2004, 7:59 AM 

Hmmm... that's a good question.

As the two dates are exactly a month apart, I think you're quite right about it being a typo at some stage.

I can't speak for the CWGC, but the 148 Sqn ORB extracts I've seen (albeit from several months earlier; I haven't seen the one in question) appear quite diligently completed.

Rob's info. includes the September date, too. Where does your info. come from, Rob?

 
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Rob
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Halifax 148 Sqn

April 4 2004, 7:32 PM 

Hi Aidan/
My info comes from THE HALIFAX FILE (Air-Britain),
They were based at Bridisi from Jan-44 to June 45
as you correctly stated.
Rob.

 
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Aidan
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Re: Halifax 148 Sqn

April 4 2004, 9:13 PM 

Hi Rob,

I imagine the info in both the Halifax File and the 148 Squadron History derives from 148's ORB.

Might the CWGC be responsible for the discrepancy?

Aidan

 
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(Login __richard__)
195.93.34.8

Did some research

April 5 2004, 12:46 PM 

I managed to access the right books finally!

JP244 was last with 205 Grp MEAF (Middle East Air Force??) so doesn't appear in any of the Bomber Command losses. Where else may I be able to check up the discrepancies?

I think that this aircraft was part of Contract B123457/40, to the London Passenger Transport Board, probably making it a B/GRII? Delivery date is meant to be between 2/2/44 and 12/3/44.

 
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Aidan
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Re: Did some research

April 6 2004, 10:40 AM 

I've also had problems looking up information on non-Bomber Command aircraft, and can't really suggest where you can go to check up on discrepancies.

Speaking of discrepancies, did you notice that according to the 148 Squadron History, JP244 was coded 'E', not 'S'?

You wondered about trades earlier. They should be the same as for a Bomber Command Halifax with the exception that none (I think) of the 148 Sqn Halifaxes had mid-upper turrets. The redundant gunner retrained as the Dispatcher, ensuring that the agents and packages left the aircraft at the correct time. (The canisters in the bomb bay and wings were dropped by the bomb aimer.)

As for MEAF, I've also seen MAAF Command, which I think must stand for Mediterranean Allied Air Force. Command.

 
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Richard
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172.190.115.16

FS-E

April 6 2004, 3:30 PM 

Actually I'd been more engrossed in the dates than the codes Now you mention it I think there is a possibility there is a picture of this aircraft in one of the books I was looking at. I'm sure it's a picture of 3 148sqn Halifaxes being worked on at dispersal - it is taken from underneath a 4th halifax as you can see its shadow in the foreground. The codes of the Halifax in the background are ?, E and C I think from memory......One is JP246?? Anyone know which picture I mean?

 
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Aidan
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Untitled

April 17 2004, 10:41 AM 

The photo of these three Halifaxes is in Ken Merrick's Flights of the Forgotten.

And what a good memory you have, Richard! The photo shows JP246 'B' in the foreground, and EB196 'E' and a/c 'C' in the background.

The facing page shows a photo of JP245, but unfortunately there's no photo of JP244.

 
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(Login __richard__)
195.93.33.9

EB196

April 17 2004, 9:06 PM 

Ah EB196 is it? My photo reference is from 'Halifax Special' but it doesn't attribute any serials to 'C' and 'E'. I guess now that the picture you describe was taken at a different angle and reveals all! Many thanks for clarifying that

 
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(Login TerryMaker)
86.140.45.2

FS-S

November 7 2009, 8:42 AM 

Found this in my 'archives', titled "FS-S" its the right type of Halifax, but is it the right Squadron?

Terry
Halifax FS-S [linked image]

 
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83.67.71.42

raf brindisi /148 sqn special operations

November 27 2006, 11:11 PM 

re -read your message , my father was rear gunner on148 sqn 1944-1945 raf brindisi i have noted from his log book that his duties changed to dispatcher for agents to be dropped into yugoslavia,to retrieve lost art treasures from 3rd reich ,a book has covered this called the "LOST MASTERS" regards j lennox

 
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217.44.145.27

JP244 FS-S

August 5 2009, 4:50 PM 

My father in law was f/sgt Ernest Logan Brown, navigator/bomb aimer on this a/c. He previously served in the Grenadier Guards and was a police constable before the war. Born in Dalmeny, Scotland.

 
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(Login TerryMaker)
86.169.230.73

Re:Trades

November 5 2009, 11:38 AM 

There was a 'standard operating practice' in listing bomber crews. It was not always adhered to, but assuming it was in this case,

F/O E.J STUBLEY - 152396 RAFVR Pilot
F/Sgt J. THOMPSON - 642357 RAF Flight engineer
F/Sgt E.L. BROWN - 1494454 RAFVR Navigator
F/Sgt A. DONNELLY - 975450 RAFVR Air Bomber
Sgt A. COOTE - 1894920 RAFVR Wireless Operator/Air gunner
Sgt R.C. KNEE - 1331866 RAFVR Air Gunner/Dispatcher
Sgt C. MABBS 1685949 Air Gunner

Terry

 
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