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Squadron 462 RAAF 1944-1945

September 23 2004 at 5:47 AM
Margaret Golder  (no login)
from IP address 203.40.200.181

 
Hello, I am searching for information regarding my uncle,an Australian, F/O Vivian Clive Ely, who I think was based at Foulsham & serving with Bomber Command around 1944 - 1945. Sadly he was shot down over Germany flying a Halifax III (MZ461 Z5-G) on the 24/2/1945 at the tender age of 23 with 6 other crew members - none surviving. He was one of the 3 not found & consequently has no known grave. I have some information from WR Chorley & some bits & peices that I have found on the net re 462, but nothing specific. Does anyone have any information re my uncle or that fateful day? Anything would be most apprecitated. Regards Margaret

 
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jim
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your missing uncle

October 2 2004, 9:24 AM 

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Margaret
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203.40.202.80

My Missing Uncle

October 8 2004, 1:49 AM 

Jim, Obviously Jim I am not sure why you feel the way that you do. I hope that things work out for you. Margaret

 
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Alan
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Re: Squadron 462 RAAF 1944-1945

October 2 2004, 8:37 PM 

Hi Margaret,
Do you by chance happen to know when your uncle joined 462sqdn, i have some pages from the 462sqdn Operations Record book for November 44 and cannot find his name among the crews, this could mean that he joined after November 44.

 
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Margaret
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203.40.202.80

Sqaudron 462

October 8 2004, 1:31 AM 

Alan, thank you for your reply. At this stage I don't have the date that he joined 462. I have found out, that prior to him joining 462, he was training in the USA. Regards Margaret.

 
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Kate Slatter
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150.101.221.111

462

October 17 2004, 1:35 PM 

My father was a navigator on Halifx/Wellingtons 1943/44 with Squadron 462 - do you happen to have any information on John Slatter in your records??
Any information would be appreciated. Regards.

 
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Margaret Golder
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203.40.196.146

Log Book Found re F/O Ely

November 25 2004, 7:30 AM 

Alan,
You asked me sometime ago when my Uncle joined 462. My other Uncle has found some old papers of F/O Vivian Elys' & his log book!! It appears he joined Squadron 462 @ Driffield Yorshire, 1.11.1944, after heavy conversion training, @ Rufforth Yorkshire.
Then in big bold writing (in the log book) to "RAF Foulsham, 100 Group Special Duties" on the 2 January 1944.
Margaret

 
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Margaret Golder
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203.40.196.146

re Log Book Found

November 25 2004, 7:32 AM 

OOPS!! I meant 2 January 1945.

MG

 
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john lawrence
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203.173.57.217

462 ops

April 1 2006, 7:04 AM 

Hi Alan . We are currently researching my fathers time with 462. His plane crashed in Belguim ,6th jan '45. He was the only survivor and is still alive and fit and well at82. The air craft was Z5N. His name is Douglas Lawrence [Flt Sgt]
We are also interested in his extra bod" Leslie Mannell. He was part of 462 and flew with Z5N that nite as his normal crew had gone on leave. He had one more OP before his leave.... very sad. His family have no info on him at all , his son being 2 when he died. No photos exist ? Can you help John Lawrence

 
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Ian F
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Not much help I'm afraid

October 2 2004, 10:52 PM 

Hello Margaret,

Sadly I can offer you nothing further than the production information.
If you have the details from Mr Chorleys book and you have trawled the net for squadron details, then apart from casting your net onto this and similar forums, there's not a lot more I can offer, sorry.
Personally speaking, the majority of my records here relate to the aircraft nuts and bolts.
I LOST an awful lot of stuff recently due to a double hard drive faliure. This included a number of aircraft photographs

There are however, a lot of other researchers that pop in here from time to time and answer questions as they can, but it's not easy to answer a question if you have no information other than the basics, and even then, due to the nature of this forum, there is no guarentee of an answer - but at least you will have tried.

This forum was created for the benefit of good people like yourself with a view to helping out where we could - a free basic service for all to use, and to that end, if you would like the construction informaiton, I will gladly make it known, please say so.

Jim, please refrain from making comments similar to the ones you made, and if you wish to email me off forum, I will be happy to discuss the matter in more detail.

Ian F
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Margaret Golder
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"Nuts & Bolts Info"

October 8 2004, 1:36 AM 

Ian, Thank you for your reply. If you could please give me the information that you have re the details of that particular aircraft, it would be most appreciated. I will add it to to my research. Regards Margaret

 
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Ian F
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Nuts And Bolts

October 11 2004, 10:29 PM 

Hi Margaret,
Sorry but this is all we have on file here
Hope it helps a bit?
If you can add to these details, please let me know & I will ensure the database is updated.
Best wishes
Ian
57 R


SERIAL No: MZ461
MANUFACTURER: London Passanger Transport Board
CONTRACT No: ACFT/2595/C4/C
REQUISITION No: HA10/E11/42
ORDER QTY & TYPE: 180 B Mk III's
DELIVERY DETAILS: Batch MZ447 to MZ495 delivered between 25/09/44 & 20/11/44

1st UNIT: 462sqn
SQUADRON: 461sqn
UNIT CODES: Z5-G
BASE: Foulsham

DATE: 25/02/45
TARGET: “Special Duties Flight”
TIME UP: 17:05hrs

DETAILS:
F.T.R “Special Duties Flight”
Left base tasked to ‘mingle’ in Bomber Support, with a diversionary flight, made up almost entirely of
aircraft from HCU’s & OTU’s. Directed towards the North of France.
It is assumed that MZ461 was hit by flak. There was no further word from this aircraft.
The pilot and two others of the crew are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial, whilst the others
are buried in the Reichswald Forest War Cemetery.
(It was not normal practice to operate this configuartion of Halifax with a seven man crew)

CREW:
F/O V. C. Ely RAAF K
Sgt R. Hetherington K
F/Sgt D. S. Critchley K
F/O P. Millhouse K
F/O J. H. Hering RAAF K
Sgt M. Ogilvie K
F/Sgt G. Robinson K

N.B:

PHOTOGRAPHS: Nearest comparison: MZ454

 
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Anonymous
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"Nuts & Bolts"

October 12 2004, 5:24 AM 

Many Thanks Ian.
Regards, Margaret - (Australia)

 
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HAROLD DUMMER
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195.92.168.174

SQUADRON 462 RAAF 1944 1945

October 3 2004, 9:19 PM 

Hi Margaret if you contact "John Blakeley"<pblakele@bigpond.net.au> you might be lucky he gave me quite a lot of information re 462 and 466 RAAF squadrons GOOD LUCK HAROLD DUMMER

 
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Margaret Golder
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203.40.202.80

Helpful advice

October 8 2004, 1:42 AM 

Thank you Harold, I have been in touch with John Blakely, & yesterday I received quite a lot of information from him including internet addresses - some I had already found & some new ones as well. All the best Harold, Margaret

 
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Arthur Newstead
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195.92.168.179

F/O Ely; 462 Squadron

October 25 2004, 9:26 PM 

Good Evening, I was a Flight Engineer with 462 Squadron and I actually flew with F/O Ely as a
'spare bod' on 27 Jan 1945. The target was Duisberg area of the Ruhr, flight lasted 7hrs 19 mins. and because of fog had to land with the aid of F.I.D.O.
I have some information on F/O Ely's last flight
( We lost four a/c that night)and I will dig it out for you and Email you later.
In 1989 there was a reunion at Foulsham and I met a relative of Vic Ely, I think it was his sister.
Will contact you later.......
Arthur Newstead

 
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Ian F
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Thanks Arthur

October 25 2004, 9:43 PM 

Well done Arthur,
Can I, on behalf of ALL of us here on this forum, and those of us concerned with the Halifax, WW2, the RAF, and Living History, give you our most sincere thanks and gratitude for "doing your bit" during WW2.
I wish you well
Best regards
Ian F
57 RESCUE

 
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Arthur Newstead
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195.92.168.175

THANX FOR KIND WORDS

October 27 2004, 10:09 PM 

Hi Margaret and Jim,
Jim, Thank you for your kind words regarding my war service, I felt quite embarrassed when I read them. I don't want to dwell on it but like most young men of my generation I wanted to fight in the war and to fly. I was able to do both in a modest way so I was doing what I wanted to do and they paid me for it. I was lucky, in that I survived, some of my friends and relatives were not so lucky. I'll write no more about it but my thanks to you again for your kindness.
Back to Margaret's query. I am ashamed to say that I had not read your message about the op. when I replied to Margaret's query.
Now that I have I can only say that I agree with everything you wrote, except that Ely and all the other 9 a/c on the op. did carry an 8 man crew. The 8th man of course being the spare bod who chucked out the Window. In fact to the best of my knowledge we always carried an 8 man crew ( in 100 Group ) and in one case we had 9. Ely's spare bod on 24Feb was a Flight Engineer called Sgt. Sanday who was brave man with a sad story.
I had hoped to have had a chance to do some research this afternoon so that I could try to tell what I know of that night but other things cropped up . But I will drag out (find!) the files and write to you soon. I only hope that when you receive it that you think that it was worth the wait. Regards……….Arthur.

 
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Margaret
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203.40.195.14

462 info re F/O Ely

October 28 2004, 8:21 AM 

Dear Arthur,
I have read with both interest & excitement the information that you have forwarded through this site. My father Len, F/O Vivian Ely's older brother, who is almost 87 years old & also a WW2 vet, was elated to hear from you. Any more info that you have would be most appreciated. Kind regards, Margaret

 
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Anonymous
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195.92.168.179

F/O Ely; 462 Squadron

October 29 2004, 3:14 PM 

Dear Margaret Thanx for your message, pleased to hear about your dad, give him my regards please.Am still writing up my account of the night of 24th feb and will post ASAP. In the mean time who did I meet in Foulsham in 1989? Have 'phoned the guy I was with that day and he too thinks that it was Viv's sister. How strange that I should meet your Aunt, if it was her, and then make contact with you. Another coincidence. Two of Viv's crew were called Critchley and Millhouse. My daughter's married name is Critchley and I live in a hamlet called
Millhouse!.......Arthur.

 
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