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Shot down over St.Saire, can you identify this oil painting

June 11 2011 at 11:13 PM
Ross  (Login Macsgrafs)
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My late father was on a run over St.Saire in France to drop bombs on a V1 site? His pilot was Ramond Rosen. I cant really remember the other crew members names apart from my late father, Sgt Andrew (Jock) Mckinnon. Here is the photo painted by his wireless op or so I remember.
[linked image]

I was thinking of going over to St.Saire to find the spot the aircraft came down on, I did hear there was a monument to the crew on the site.

Ross McKinnon

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Mike Harrison
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Halifax painting

June 13 2011, 7:03 AM 

Hi Ross,

cannot identify the serial number from the painting? however information below regarding your fathers crew:-

Halifax MZ584 Z-AV
10 Squadron
1/2 July 1944

Airborne 1514 1Jul44 from Melbourne to attack the V-1 Site at St- Martin l_Hortier.Shot down by Flak, crashing at 1718 at la Montagne, 6 km E of Neufch_tel. Those killed are buried in Poix-de- la-Somme. at 35, F/O Lelliott was above the average age of operational aircrew. F/O R.A.Rosen KIA Sgt D.Daley KIA F/S H.C.Williamson-Rattray KIA F/O J.C.Lelliott KIA Sgt G.S.Lind KIA Sgt A.S.Fordham KIA Sgt A.W.D.McKinnon Evd.

The wireless operator was Sgt Gordon Seymour Lind

see link below regarding grave marker for crew.


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Danny Crossman
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Sgt McKinnon

July 6 2016, 10:54 PM 

Hi Ross

Your late father and the rest of the crew were originally part of my great uncle's crew (Sgt TA (Tommy)Crossman) in 10 Sqn. He was shot down in LV858 ZA-J on his 2nd trip as a second pilot on 10/11 April 1944. Your father and the rest of the crew would have then had to find a new pilot after Tommy was posted missing (he survived and was POW).

I'm trying to trace his pre-10 Sqn history and and researching his crew that would have been formed at 10 OTU in Abingdon back in August 1943 and then went to 1663 HCU at RAF Rufforth. They would have all been friends and lived and trained together I imagine.

If you have any history info or your fathers flight log book, I'd sure be interested in the details.

best regards


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Sgt. Andrew McKinnon

September 28 2017, 1:29 PM 

Hi Danny,

Unfortunately Ross will not be able to respond to you, Ross is my late farther in law, I am trying to carry on the research into Andrew McKinnon (my grandfather in law)
I'm afraid I am struggling just to find as much information from his 10 squadron days let alone pre. All the information we have from Andrews war time is stories he told my husband (Andrews Grandson) and little bits we have found online, sadly Ross & my husband do not have anything from Andrews war history all they have is his bag pipes, we have also discovered his Distinguished flying cross has been sold without us knowing. The best thing I have that I would be able to give you is his service number.
I am sorry we would not be able to help you further. If you do find anything if you would be able to email me at that would be amazing!

Best wishes

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Searching for relatives to Mr McKinnon

June 24 2017, 6:00 PM 

Dear Mr McKinnon,

I hope that this link is still live as I am contacting you on behalf of someone whose father, I believe helped your father during WWII here in France.

I have something that may be of interest to you, so please contact me when you can.

Kind regards,


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Karl Kj
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Kirsty McK.

October 23 2017, 10:11 PM 

Hi Alex did you see the enquiry from KIRSTY on this forum on Oct. 16, 2017???

Cheers, Karl Kj.

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