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Sunday, 3 February 20089:32 PM
 
Was Abraham Lincoln influenced by communism - Red Republicans and Lincoln's Marxists

Red Republicans and Lincoln's Marxists

Was Abraham Lincoln influenced by communism when the Union condemned the rights of Southern states to express their independence? It's shocking to think so.

But that's precisely what Walter D. Kennedy and Al Benson Jr. assert in Red Republicans and Lincoln's Marxists. The pair completely reassess this tumultuous time in American history, exposing the "politically correct" view of the War for Southern Independence as nothing less than the same observation announced by Marx himself. During the American Civil War, Marx wrote about his support of the Union Army, the Republican Party, and Lincoln himself. In fact, he named the president as "the single-minded son of the working class." In addition to shedding light on this little-known part of our history, Kennedy and Benson also ask pertinent questions about the validity of today's federal government and why its role seems so much larger than the liberty found in the states it represents.

Red Republicans and Lincoln's Marxists is a bold undertaking, but it's one that needs our immediate and absolute attention.

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By: Devvy
July 5, 2007

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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." --Marcus Tullius Cicero 42B.C.

The title of this column is a caption from a recent CNN poll news item which contained some extraordinary comments from poltroons like Jon Kyl of Arizona, a counterfeit U.S. Senator who sold out the people of Arizona and these united states of America with his solid support of lawlessness and the recently defeated amnesty bill. Kyl is quoted in the aforementioned: "It is a sad commentary in America today that many Americans have lost faith in their government," Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Arizona, said. He added, "Americans don't believe that their government is representing them, is acting on their behalf. The polls show it."

And, whose fault is that Kyl? This news item says it's come down to the people vs the government: "It was a bipartisan bill, supported by President Bush and by most Democrats in Congress. Why didn't it pass? Because the people didn't like it." That's right, the American people by a margin of some 68-72% were demanding its defeat. If ever there was a reason for one state to take up a challenge of the fraudulent ratification of the Seventeenth Amendment, it is Arizona. Unless and until the states finally decide they want back their rightful and equal power, the federal machine will continue stomping on them in pursuit of dissolving America and absorbing US into one region of world government with Mexico and Canada. Back in April 2004, Zell Miller [D-GA], a former counterfeit U.S. Senator recommended rescinding the Seventeenth Amendment. You can't rescind a law that does not exist and the Seventeenth Amendment absolutely, clearly and without question was never ratified by the states of the Union.

The warnings have been placed right in front of our faces regarding how the shadow government intends to deal with we the people taking back our government:

"1987: Then U.S. Attorney General William French Smith blew the whistle on a fairly low ranking Marine officer by the name of Oliver North. According to Smith, Lt. Col. Oliver North directly helped draft a plan in 1984 to impose martial law in the United States in the event of an emergency. This secret plan would suspend the U.S. Constitution and turn over control of the government to the little known agency at that time: FEMA. This plan would appoint military commanders to run state and local governments. Implementation of this plan would have been triggered by violent and wise spread internal dissent, disagreement with government policy or national opposition to any U.S. military invasion abroad. Essentially, it amounted to a complete and total suspension of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

"Investigators who uncovered this plan believe that between 1983 - 1986, North's office was the 'central command center' for this informal secret structure which involved more than the illegal sale of arms to Iran and illegal funding of the underground war in Nicaragua under President Ronald Reagan. "Lifers" in the military were shocked, saying at the time that no Lt. Colonel is ever given the kind of power North was apparently given within this secret structure. So great was his authority, he could have the orbits of sophisticated satellites altered to follow Soviet ships around the world or launch high-flying spy aircraft on secret missions. Some even compared this whole operation as eerily similar to the one portrayed in the movie, Clear and Present Danger, starring Harrison Ford (1994).

"North wasn't alone in this secret structure. Others included Reagan's closest advisers: U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese, CIA Director William Casey and National Security Adviser William Clark. Congressional investigators at the time were shocked by how far along this secret structure and planning had progressed. Arthur Liman, who was the chief counsel of the Senate's Iran-Contra committee stated in a memo that Oliver North was at the center of what he called a "secret government within a government." Prior to those hearings, Liman wrote that a policy decision made at the highest levels during the Iran Contra scandal "...reveals the whole secret government within a government, operated from the Executive Office Building by a lieutenant colonel with its own army, air force, diplomatic agents, intelligence operatives and appropriations capacity."

And: "The next real war we fight is likely to be on American soil. Our civilian-military face-off"

"One startling quote in this article is from Admiral Stanley Arthur, Commander of U.S. naval forces during the Gulf War, where he says, "Today the armed forces are no longer representative of the people they serve. More and more, enlisted as well as officers are beginning to feel they are special, better than the society they serve."

"When you turn to page two of this story, the headlines read, "Bill of Rights no obstacle for the Corps." Another disturbing quote jumps out at you, "Because of the rising potential for civil disobedience within the inner cities it is 'inevitable' the U.S. military will be employed more often within American borders." Timothy Reeves, The U.S. Marine Corps and Domestic Peacekeeping, a paper written at the Marine Command and Staff Colleges. Why the concern that there is a potential for civil disobedience by Americans? Where did this come from? I can make an educated guess based on my 14 years of research. In case no one has noticed, the bulk of our population is being forced into these big inner cities whose infrastructures are unable to sustain such masses.

"Further into this shocking story: "...Major Reeves notes, when faced with violating doctrine or violating the law, some Marines chose the latter course and detained suspects and conducted warrantless searches. Indeed, with characteristic Marine Corps bluntness, the major states that, "in interviews with Marine officers involved in domestic peacekeeping missions with officers responsible for articulating the Marine Corps' policy on domestic peacekeeping, it became apparent to the author that Marines took whatever action was necessary. At times, these actions required Marines to violate U.S. law.

"Similarly, Marine Capt. Guy Miner reported in the Gazette that Marine intelligence units were initially worried by the need to collect intelligence on U.S. citizens, which would violate a 1981 Executive Order, but that "this inhibition was quickly overcome...." And to chill you even further, "To enable the Marines to execute these new domestic missions in the same way that they do abroad, Major Reeves calls for major alternations in U.S. laws. "Experience from the Los Angeles riots," he warns, "demonstrated the need to grant U.S. Marine forces the legal right to detain vehicles and suspects, conduct arrests, searches and seizures in order to accomplish the peacekeeping mission." Now, do national IDs and driver's licenses take on a new meaning?" Click here to view the actual newspaper. Anyone paying attention to the paramilitarization of local police in this country and the destruction of Habeas Corpus can see this 1997 revelation wasn't just some exercise in word smiting.


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From one of my columns, January 17, 2004 one can see the plan to ram world communism down our throats:

"Take a good look at this map published in the Denver Post, August 30, 1992, a mere four months before Bush, Sr. signed the unconstitutional NAFTA treaty into law December 17, 1992. This map is not some academic exercise. This IS what's on the horizon for US if the people of this nation don't mobilize. What you're seeing with this latest, grotesque proposal by Bush, Jr., has everything to do with building a new world order (global governance), redistributing the wealth of our nation into the hands of illegals and riffraff from all over the world." I published that information about this map in one of my old newsletters back in 1995 trying to warn Americans.

The people v the people

Not only do the American people see the complete and total failure of the Democrat controlled Congress and the real agenda of Bush and his minions, they are also coming to understand the big picture: world wide communist domination. Unfortunately, due to the corrosive, toxic messages out there brain washing Americans and the deliberate dumbing down of children in the government's indoctrination centers they call schools, we the people are also being pitting against one another in a massive ideological battle. Let me give you two examples, the first is a column by a Carolyn Baker, where she states:

"Franklin Roosevelt's stellar accomplishment in the engineering of New Deal policies was the emphasis on "purchasing power" for average Americans...The author goes on to point out the "feminization" of American society during the Great Depression, noting that "The self-centered, aggressive, competitive 'male' ethic of the 1920s was discredited. Men who lost their jobs became dependent in ways that women had been thought to be." Yet it was not only in loss of jobs that men became more "feminized."

"Whenever any individuals, male or female, join to create community in a spirit of cooperation, they are "feminizing", for the feminine principle is above all, relational—a concept inherent in the traditions of many indigenous peoples. It is this kind of joining that characterized the Great Depression era and to which we must aspire as we build economic, emotional, and spiritual lifeboats for the daunting journey ahead."

What drivel. This woman is promoting the communitarian doctrine - communism. Has she never read history? FDR's New Deal - a "stellar accomplishment" was focused around "purchasing power" for Americans? How about the opinion of people who were actually there at the time? "The New Deal will bring the Communist Party within striking distance of overthrow of the American form of government..." Arthur Henning, Chicago Tribune. "This may be the last presidential election America will have. The New Deal is to America what the early phase of Nazism was to Germany..." Mark Sullivan, Buffalo Evening News. The "feminine principle" is above all? God save us from these females. What she really needs to do is read Nancy Levant's superb columns on the rot of feminism. Better yet, Baker needs to read Nancy's book, The Cultural Devastation of American Women.

Example: A recent column by a woman named Caroline Arnold calling for Americans to: "...declare our independence from "the works of death, desolation, and tyranny," and from "the circumstances of cruelty and perfidy" that led to them."

And how does Ms. Arnold believe this should be done? By restoring democracy and getting rid of handguns. That's right, disarm the American people. That will surely bring us independence and freedom from tyranny! Apparently Ms. Arnold has never read a single word by Patrick Henry, has zero understanding of how gun control is nothing more than people control and she clearly ignores the fact that you cannot have freedom and liberty without an armed population. It's for certain that Ms. Arnold has ZERO understanding of the Second Amendment. She also doesn't even know our legal form of government; we are not a democracy. Each state of the Union is guaranteed a republican form of government, not a democracy. It is these types of dangerous ideas that are pitting Americans against each other: those of us who understand and stand for the Constitution and those who pump out nonsense and toxic waste. One can only hope that Americans who are genuinely concerned about the downfall of this republic don't fall for the propaganda above and seek the truth through historical documentation.

We the people had a huge victory last week in defeating the formidable forces arrayed against us for passage of the grotesque amnesty bill, but the evil doers will be back, make no mistake about it. We must continue to target Congress in between their vacations, demand enforcement of existing immigration laws and go after employers who hire illegals. Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano finally found her guts and signed the strongest legislation against employers hiring illegal aliens in the nation. About time, lady.

We must also demand passage of House Concurrent Resolution 40 (H.C.R. 40) to stop the North American Union. Demand Congress get rid of the so-called Patriot Act, the dangerous John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007, the Military Commissions Act of 2006, and National Security Presidential Directive No. 51. We must demand this police state being erected is torn down. As Dr. Edwin Vieira so articulately writes in his scholarly columns, we MUST get one state to reconstitute the militias under the authority of the state legislatures.

It goes without saying that Congress - unless Ron Paul gets elected - will never touch getting rid of the FED, the IRS and the withholding scam. However, the states themselves can and must adopt a sound money bill; see link below. We must continue to go for the jugular, expose the players and be relentless until we drive these America haters out of our political arena and control of our state and federal governments. We must continue demanding the state legislatures get rid of ALL electronic ballot machines and return to paper ballots, hand counted in the precincts in front of the general public or we will NEVER get rid of these traitors who have we the people by the throat - and that includes the mayors in this country selling US out.

Our fight is a noble one and if freedom and independence really mean anything, we the people must stay focused and strong. We the people are on the move and we must not falter. This is our government and we are the masters.

Important Information:

1, States must force showdown on the Seventeenth Amendment fraud
2, Sound money bill effort in New Hampshire
3, Constitutional Homeland Security
4, Second Amendment Committee - A treasure trove of critical information and documentation
5, Democracy v Republic
6, An Important Distinction: Democracy v Republic

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Nobody hates more than I do to login at a site, nor to have to have my posts approved before they are actually posted to the site.
But the way things are on the Internet, I, and others, really have no choice anymore.

If I do not configure the site this way, every morning I find the site littered with spam, pervert postings, smut of all kinds. It takes a lot of time to remove all this junk. The alternative is to leave it as is--you wouldn't like that, folks--and it would soon render these sites/messageboards useless to all of us. I have to remove this stuff manually; I think the spammers are doing it by computer now, non-stop--so they have no problem keeping up with their business. I have close to 20 forums here on Network54 alone, so you can see why the spam would take up a lot of my time.

So that's why I had to arrange things this way.

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Tuesday, 20 June 20062:51 PM
US Needs To Adopt Patton Philosophy in Middle East

US needs to adopt Patton Philosophy in Middle East

IPRIMIS, monthly journal, Hillsdale College, July 23, 2004, Victor Davis Hanson

Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, a fellow in California studies at the Claremont Institute and a distinguished fellow at Hillsdale College. He received his B.A. from the University of California, Santa Cruz, and his Ph.D. in classics from Stanford University. He has authored, co-authored or edited 14 books, including Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise of Western Power; Mexifornia: A State of Becoming; and Ripples of Battle: How Wars of the Past Still Determine How We Fight, How We Live, and How We Think. He has written for several newspapers and journals, including the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, Commentary and the Weekly Standard, and has appeared on the PBS Newshour, FOX News and C-SPAN's BookTV. Currently, he is a weekly columnist for National Review Online and serves on the editorial board of Arion, the Military History Quarterly and City Journal. In August and September 2004, Dr. Hanson taught two history courses on the Hillsdale campus: "The Peloponnesian War" and "Great Captains: Profiles of Leadership."

The following is adapted from a lecture delivered on July 23, 2004, on board the MV Heidelberg during a Hillsdale College cruise on the Rhine and Moselle rivers.

What can we imagine George Patton might say about the present war? Lots. Based on what he himself said and wrote, his record in the field, and what scholars have written about him, I think we have some reasonable ideas. I'll begin with Patton's strategic thinking, then follow with suppositions about tactical and operational doctrine.

Patton was not merely a great tactician, as Eisenhower seemed to think in deprecating his larger advice about the nature and purpose of World War II. Indeed, he understood far more about strategy and global politics than either Eisenhower or Bradley. A fine illustration of his superior insight arose over disagreement regarding the "endgame" in Europe: When the so-called Big Four - Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin and Chiang Kai-shek - apparently decided in late 1944 and early 1945 that the Allied demarcation line was to be at the Elbe River rather than Berlin or the Polish border, news quickly leaked out. As Patton was barreling through southern Germany, he sensed quickly that the German armies in April and May were preferring to surrender to Allied troops and thus fleeing toward the Western front. Would an Allied capture of Berlin ahead of Russian troops really become Eisenhower's and Bradley's predicted bloodbath if Germans were assured that the city would end up in the American sphere of postbellum influence?

Patton listened to the BBC almost nightly; he spoke pretty good French; during the war he read Rommel, the memoirs of Napoleon and Caesar's Gallic Wars. He was a learned person despite purportedly being dyslexic. In any case, based on his extensive studies of European history, news reports and meetings with those who had worked with the Russians, he believed firmly that the Allies were making a horrible mistake by not driving on to Berlin to bring all of Germany behind Anglo-American lines. If we could paraphrase his thinking it might go something like this: We had fought World War II in part to ensure that Eastern Europe, i.e., Poland and Czechoslovakia, did not remain under the domination of Hitler's totalitarian regime; yet our policies at war's end were guaranteeing that those countries would fall under Stalin's equally evil domination.

In 1945, the U.S. was providing annually the equivalent of several billion in today's dollars to the Soviet Union. Patton understood that in war one is forced as a matter of practicality to make such odious alliances. But postwar peace, whose future parameters would be adjudicated while the war was still on, was an entirely different matter. The idea of a United Nations organization was developing; and although many in the U.S. knew that Stalin had institutionalized mass murder, such concerns were muted because it was thought at worst that he was an aberration in an otherwise peaceful - and currently allied - Soviet system. Patton wanted nothing of that naivet, and instead loudly reminded all that decisions made in 1945 would alter the future security of the U.S. Montgomery in this case was in agreement with Patton, as was Churchill, who likewise saw that the end of World War II might be the beginning of World War III. All three shared a common desire: to take Berlin and extend democratic government to the Russian border.

In a famous exchange, Eisenhower asked, of Patton's request to move eastward immediately, "What in the world for?" Patton without hesitation replied, "You shouldn't have to ask that. History will answer for you, Ike." Bradley protested and offered up the standard American fear of taking 100,000 casualties. Of course, the Russians did take over 100,000 casualties storming Berlin, a fact later used to argue for Eisenhower's prescience. But again, the Russians suffered such casualties because the Germans were fighting ferociously in order that everybody behind them might surrender to the West. Had the Germans known that the Allies were going to take Berlin, the city might have fallen after brief resistance in the manner that other German strongpoints had fallen in the west. What later became West Germany would have extended to Berlin, the allies would probably have occupied Czechoslovakia where the Third Army finished the war, and we would not have had to make later concessions to Stalin to save Austria and Greece.

Patton had the further idea that after defeating the Nazis, we should not destroy Germany's armored forces and dismantle its strategic forces, but instead use them as a basis to re-arm the Wehrmacht for the purpose of stopping the Soviets, who enjoyed an enormous superiority in respective land forces on the continent. This was blasphemy to most experts in the U.S., made worse by Patton's often puerile and offensive slurs about Russian primitivism and barbarity. As a result of his uncouth pronouncements, Patton's otherwise astute and vocal anti-communism found little support, and indeed gave him very little margin of tolerance when his proconsulship of Bavaria later ran into trouble. Yet this very idea of German rehabilitation would - within months after his dismissal - turn out to be the basis of NATO.

Patton always realized that armed forces serve political ends and create an immediate reality on the battlefield that politicians argue over for years - that there are times when audacious commanders can create favorable diplomatic situations impossible to achieve by politicians even after years of negotiations. Well before Roosevelt or Eisenhower, he understood that the new Germany was an ally, and the old Soviets were now the new enemy of freedom.

Applying Patton's thinking to today's situation, we can first recognize the so-called "war on terror" as a misnomer. There has never really been a war against a method other than something like Pompey's crusade against the pirates or the British effort to stifle the slave trade. In fact, we're no more in a war against terror than Patton was fighting against Tiger and Panzer tanks. Patton, who understood the hold of a radically triumphalist Nazism on a previously demoralized German people, would have the intellectual honesty to realize that we are at war with Islamic fascists, mostly from the Middle East, who have played on the frustrations of mostly male, unemployed young people, whose autocratic governments can't provide the conditions for decent employment and family life. A small group of Islamists appeals to the angst of the disaffected through a nostalgic and reactionary turn to a mythical Caliphate, in which religious purity trumps the material advantages of a decadent West and protects Islamic youth from the contamination of foreign gadgetry and pernicious ideas. In some ways, Hitler had created the same pathology in Germany in the 1930s.

Because of the Internet and globalization, Islamic youth have first-hand knowledge of the U.S. - its splendor, power and luxury - that both attracts and repels them, creating appetites forbidden in traditional and tribal society. Thus the fascist terrorists, to be successful, and cognizant of this paradoxical envy and desire, offer a mythical solution in lieu of real social, political and economic reform that in short order would doom the power of the patriarch, mullah and autocrat: Blame the imperialist Americans and the Zionist Israelis who cause this self-induced misery. Even those who don't join the extremists, like most Germans of the late 1930s, don't mind - albeit on the cheap - seeing their perceived enemies take a fall, as long as the consequences of terrorism are mostly positive in a psychological sense without bringing them material suffering in recompense.

Patton would also agree that the remedy for this disease includes aid and reconstruction - helping the defeated to re-build under democratic auspices that would allow real reform. In fact, he was sacked as pro-consul largely because he was said to be too interested in jump-starting German reconstruction at the price of accommodating Germans once affiliated with the Nazi party. But Patton would insist that it is only by military defeat and subsequent humiliation first that the supporters of terrorism against the West will understand the wages of their support for Islamic fascism. Once people in the Middle East, like the Germans, see that the Islamic fascists are defeated - and that all who support and condone that ideology are synonymous with it and thus must pay for their complicity through some measure of sacrifice and suffering - radical bellicose Islamicism really will end. Patton was quite clear about defeating, humiliating and then helping Germans - the proper order of such a progression in attitude being absolutely critical.

Applying these lessons to the first Gulf War, Patton perhaps would have thought it mindless to mobilize an entire expeditionary army - a rare event for a democracy - and then confine it to the Kuwaiti theatre of operations, given that the problem was never merely the occupation of Kuwait, but the tyrant in Baghdad who had a prior record of frequent aggression. From the moment he took command in Normandy, Berlin was on Patton's mind as the only ultimate goal.

As far as encouraging allies to go along, again, Patton always talked more in terms of a fait accompli: The general's job is to create favorable conditions on the ground that his politicians can deal with from a position of strength, rather than vice versa - an American army that achieves victory will have more allies than it knows what to do with. Go to Berlin if Berlin is the problem. Confront the Soviets if the Soviets are the problem. Don't refuse to take Berlin and then try to negotiate with the Soviets over Berlin. Hesitancy does not earn advantage. Similarly in Iraq today: If our goal is to give President Bush leverage with the Europeans and the tyrannical Middle East, then we should continue to destroy the power of the insurgency in Iraq, proving to friends and enemies alike the consequences and advantages of American power.

"Always Audacity"

In matters of tactics, Patton was famous for believing that American armies, being militias of the season, were not equipped immediately to go head-to-head in hard slogging with veteran professional militaries such as the German Wehrmacht of World Wars I and II. Speed, victory and firepower were our forte - not slow wars of attrition. Patton had nothing to do with the three greatest American disasters in the European theater in World War II - Market Garden, the Hrtgen Forest and the Ardennes - and expressed worries over our response in all three instances, inasmuch as Allied countermeasures offered few avenues for mobility and attack on the flank.

Patton grasped that air power had revolutionized armored warfare, a sort of mobile infantry at the beck and call of land forces. Thus the old infantry doctrine - that the infantry incrementally goes ahead to clear mines and pockets of resistance, and then the tanks follow, fanning out in a large triangle with the flanks protected - was a recipe for disaster: It meant that the enemy might retreat on a broad front - as the deflation of the bulge in January 1945 attests - harvesting a continuing crop of frontline troops. His idea was rather to have rapid armored wings sweep out, bypass points of resistance, and cause psychological turmoil from the rear that could collapse enemy fronts. American Sherman tanks - poorly armed and protected - nevertheless were faster, lighter, used less fuel and were more easily maintained than German armor. Speed, audacity and numbers might allow them to achieve results impossible even for their individually superior German counterparts. The way war had evolved in 1944 made this possible: Sherman tanks had radios that were connected with airborne P-47 anti-tank dive-bombers - tactical air power now being worth an entire armored division in Patton's eyes.

When Patton went operational on August 1, 1944, he traveled nearly 400 miles in little more than 30 days. Bradley and Eisenhower complained that he was bypassing resistance, was violating pre-Normandy planning, and was not part of the strategic effort to hit German industrial centers in the Ruhr. Patton answered back that his success was having a psychological effect in causing the collapse of entire armies and offering new potential alternatives - with only brief windows for critical exploitation - that might change accepted realities and vault the Allies across the Rhine before the shortened days, poor weather, stiffening German resistance and extended Allied supply lines could come into play to stifle the American advance by autumn. His lesson? When there is an opportunity for exploitation - one quarter of Fallujah taken or Mr. Sadr reeling - hesitancy and conventional thinking can forfeit unforeseen advantages and offer a collapsing enemy a reprieve that will end up costing far more casualties later. Beware of a false sense of forbearance that can turn deadly.

Patton had two phrases that he used almost ad nauseum. The first, from Danton, was: "Audacity, always audacity, still more audacity." The second was "the unforgiving minute," a phrase from Kipling that referred to certain times in war when the collective will of a people or an army can without warning collapse - critical moments that must be capitalized on. Unlike Eisenhower and Bradley, who thought the August 1944 collapse of the German army was likely and thus the war would end before Christmas, Patton knew that if the Panzers were saved from near death, they could be ready to kill again and under far more favorable circumstances. That is exactly what happened at the Falaise Gap. Later at the Seine River, near the Siegfried Line, and when attacking the Bulge, Patton saw that a sweeping hook, rather than a head-on assault, might bring on a total collapse, but only if risks were taken and old plans ignored in light of new realities. Again, the conservative, doctrinaire approach of cautious attack proved the far more costly tactic.

These lessons also apply in recent times. In the first Gulf War, Saddam put almost 250,000 Iraqi troops in bunkers in the sand, and even after weeks of U.S. bombing they were still operational. In response, General Schwarzkopf marched hundreds of miles around the flank, leaving many of the entrenched Iraqi positions behind and headed toward Basra, his long flanks covered by air support. But although we copied Patton's tactics, we forgot their purpose - stopping at the so-called Highway of Death because of the television images of "thousands" of enemy dead. Pentagon staffers worried at the time that 20,000 enemy soldiers had been killed, thus causing a global uproar. We know now that the real number was in the hundreds - and that when we stopped before Basra, fleeing Iraqis did not, and they killed thousands of mostly defenseless Shiites and Kurds over the next few weeks. And over the next 12 years, Anglo-American pilots flew thousands of missions in the Iraq no-fly zones, all as a precursor to the second Iraq war. In short, we forgot Patton's most important lesson: the purpose of outflanking the enemy is to demoralize and annihilate the enemy, thus removing the reasons to go to war in the first place.

In the 2003 Iraq War, on the other hand, Americans drove 400 miles from the Kuwaiti front up to Kurdistan, often bypassing resistance on the way to Baghdad. Never has an armored column traveled so quickly with so few casualties. It was comparable to Patton's march from Normandy to the Siegfried Line. And the same institutionalized army critics of such Patton-like tactics emerged, decrying vulnerable flanks, oblivious to the protection offered by 1,000 planes in the sky. Indeed, Patton was often evoked as we moved quickly, creating conditions of shock and awe, demoralizing the enemy who crumbled and fled. But again, these are fluid, not permanent, situations. If an enemy is demoralized but not destroyed, he may well come back encouraged and with less respect, interpreting magnanimity as weakness or incompetence. Fallujah and Najaf are proof enough of the tragedy that can follow when a defeated enemy is not completely crushed.

Mobilizing Public Support

Finally, Patton had very strong views about the character of the American soldier. On the one hand, he appreciated that Americans grew up driving cars, that they were mechanical and practical, that they were highly individualistic, that they liked to move, that they were restless - thus that they were ideally suited for mechanized warfare. Yet he conceded that Americans also had a limited attention span, easily became impatient, were averse to standing in place, and required constant encouragement about the larger purposes that had brought them so far from home.

Patton's own general sense was that his Third Army took greater casualties when immobile, not simply because of stiffening enemy resistance, but also because his soldiers were singularly ill-equipped for a war requiring rote, method and patience. In the present context Patton would advise us, in view of our national character, to be constantly on the advance, seeking to surprise and storm enemies rather than being merely reactive. If we are in a real war, Americans must move quickly on Fallujah and Najaf rather than "contain" such "no-go" zones. Syria and Iran should be warned that their continued sanctuary and aid to terrorists are synonymous with a state of war with the U.S. Patton would advise us that static occupation, negotiations with undefeated insurgents, and mild rebukes to neighboring terrorist sponsors are not only futile, but against the American character of decisive advance and unconditional surrender once war is upon us.

Patton was sometimes asked where he was going. Berlin was always his answer, along with quips about Hitler soon to be in chains. This was no mere braggadocio, but revealed strategic insight that there could be nothing less than unconditional surrender, the occupation of the enemy heartland, and the humiliation accruing from taking the German Fhrer - that only in that way might Nazism be discredited. We bristle at such Manichaeism in the present postmodern war, forgetting that we shall not be through with Islamic fascism until the governments of Iran and Syria cease their support, al-Qaedists are killed or in cuffs, and the greater Middle East autocracies are terrified of offering succor to terrorist offshoots. Anything less as our goal and we will be in a perpetual quagmire of reactive warfare.

Like Thucydides, Patton appreciated that the emotions that sophisticated people sometimes think are so unimportant - such as fear, pride and honor - are in fact what drive us humans, and therefore must be addressed in any total war. We chuckle at his attention to dress, protocol, medals, speeches and theatrics; but this obsession was not vanity as much as recognition that soldiers are proud and sensitive beings, and must be rewarded and punished in visible ways, war being the essence of human emotion. By the same token, military operations are more than just ground taken and held. They are powerfully symbolic, conveying to third parties either hope or dejection when they see armies routed from the battlefield.

Today, millions in the Islamic world are watching the West struggle against Islamic fascism. Perhaps deep down inside they prefer, logically and with some idealism, to live under Western-style freedom and democratic auspices. And yet nationalism, pride, religion and ethnic solidarity war with reason, combining to produce far greater resentment against a powerful America, even when it brings the very freedom that the Arabs for decades have said they wished. A modern Patton would not be bothered by such inconsistency. Rather he would make sure that he had not only defeated the terrorists and their supporters, but had done so in such damaging fashion that none in the Middle East might find such a repugnant cause at all romantic, bringing as it did utter ruin as the wage of the wrath of the United States.

Patton, who was both learned and yet not smug about the power of the primordial emotions, understood perfectly the irrational nature of warfare and the effect that utter defeat or glorious victory has upon an otherwise rational people. No wonder he hated war defined as a purely bureaucratic enterprise or a purely material and industrial challenge, inasmuch as neither can change the hearts of men that need to be changed. Instead, they usually increase the body count and rarely lead to lasting peace. We should remember wild-eyed George Patton in our Fallujahs to come.

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Tuesday, 20 June 20062:49 PM
"GWOT" Like Declaring War On...Aviation!

"Now, there is an art to naming wars. GWOT fails as both art and politics. Wars are fought between groups of people over powerful political disagreement, not against a mere technique of applying violence. Thus, declaring a "war on terrorism" after Sept. 11, 2001, is rather ludicrously like declaring "war on carrier aviation" after Dec. 7, 1941."
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"What's in a Name? Welcome to World War IV."

By Christopher Bassford

Published as "We're At War And It's World War IV," Newsday, 14 January 2003.

Some pundits - such as former CIA head James Woolsey - are beginning to call the current crisis in world security "World War IV." This raises interesting questions. For instance, what's wrong with the name the Bush administration has bestowed on it? Evidently "Global War on Terrorism" (GWOT) - properly pronounced "Gee, What?" - doesn't quite meet the need for descriptive accuracy. And, some wonder, What happened to World War III?

To answer the latter question first, World War III was the Cold War between the liberal democracies and communism. Some would question whether it was a war at all, preferring to so label only the hot, naked, but subordinate military clashes in places such as Korea and Vietnam.

In this view, calling that world struggle a "war" is simply a bad example of word inflation - as in the "war on drugs" or the "war on poverty."

In truth, war is surprisingly tough to define. The greatest theorist of war, however, defined it this way: "War is simply a continuation of political intercourse, with the addition of other means [i.e., organized violence]." Carl von Clausewitz went on to say in his 1832 volume, "On War," that "We deliberately use the phrase 'with the addition of other means' because we also want to make it clear that war in itself does not suspend political intercourse or change it into something entirely different." Thus war is a form of political conflict in which violence is used together with other tools.
So the worldwide struggle against communism was indeed war. While plenty of people died in that war, thousands of them soldiers, the West owed its final "soft victory" to its deft use of every instrument of persuasion and coercion - moral, ideological, cultural, financial, as well as military. It is no coincidence that America's struggles for civil rights and women's equality made their greatest gains during the Cold War - they were part of the war effort.

Today, the struggle we've labeled GWOT is looking more like World War III than we thought it would on 9/11. Yes, there will necessarily be James Bond-style skullduggery, guerrilla struggles and even conventional sub-wars.

Genuine victory, however, will be won in the markets of Afghanistan, the streets of Palestine, private homes in Iraq, and the churches and mosques of America itself.

Now, there is an art to naming wars. GWOT fails as both art and politics. Wars are fought between groups of people over powerful political disagreement, not against a mere technique of applying violence. Thus, declaring a "war on terrorism" after Sept. 11, 2001, is rather ludicrously like declaring "war on carrier aviation" after Dec. 7, 1941.

One obvious alternative name - "War Against Militant Islam" - unfortunately sounds too much like a war on Islam itself. We understandably shy away from anything that looks like an attack on anyone's freedom to practice a religion.

Again, however, names are confusing. Islam is not simply "a religion," just as communism was much more than simply "a theory of history." Historically, Islam has been an aggressive, all-encompassing socio-political ideology. It has sought, wherever its armies have marched, to suppress any group, any thought, that questioned its self-appointed elite's right to rule. The self-imposed ignorance of Islam's holy warriors long kept them from posing a serious threat to modern civilization. Then they learned to hijack airplanes. Now, with weapons ranging from missiles to jetliners packed with fuel and innocent civilians, from smallpox to suitcase nukes, they threaten our existence.

Like the Cold War, then, this current war is no mere contest of arms or a game between rival intelligence agencies. It is an ideological struggle for the soul of the human race, one we could very well lose. Therefore, it must be a primary political goal of the West to protect and foster the reformed brand of Islam offered by progressive Muslim thinkers like Iranian activist Hashem Aghajari, an ally of reformist President Mohammad Khatami.

We must see it through to its rightful victory over those who have made Islam a bastion of barbarism. Like historical Catholicism or Protestantism, Islam must be freed from kleptocrats and violent fanatics to fulfill its genuine ideals in harmony with the rest of mankind.

In truth, liberal democracy is pretty good at wars like this one. Americans have forgotten or never have known the fierce struggle it took to tame the West's own religious devils in the murderous conflicts between Catholicism and Protestantism. Eventually, and painfully, the fanatics were crowded to the political margins. Generation by generation since, we have overthrown the Southern slave power, defeated the Monarchists, crushed the Fascists, and contained and then converted the Communists. One way or another, we will destroy the radical Islamists and Islamo-Fascists. We will see Islam become the religion of peace the apologists of terror now proclaim it to be.

But for that to happen, we need to give this war a name that reflects its true character: World War IV.

Christopher Bassford is a professor of strategy at the National War College, Washington. The opinions reflected here are his own.




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Monday, 12 June 20067:55 PM
Chesty Puller On LOYALTY!

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Tuesday, 30 May 20062:07 PM
A Call For An End To 'Semper Fi' Over "SEMPER FIDELIS"?

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Monday, 29 May 20068:12 PM
The "THREE" Iwo Jima Flag Raisers

Of the two photos above, the one of the NYC firemen raising the flag at the site of the WTC after the 9/11 attack is now well known.

The other photo, however, is not so well known. That photo is one of the photos by Leatherneck magazine photographer, S/Sgt Lou Lowery, taken on Mount Suribachi, Iwo Jima on 23 February 1945, of the actual flag raising there at about 1020 on that morning.

Lowery had accompanied 1/Lt. Harold G. Schrier and his 40-man combat patrol (Easy Company, 2ndBn, 28th Marines), up the hill to raise our national colors; this was the first time in 2,000 years that a foreign flag had been raised on the Japanese homeland.

Later that same day, a larger, "replacement" flag was substituted for the original, and was photographed at that time by Joe Rosenthal; and it was that photo that soon became famous as The Iwo Jima Flag Raising.
The WTC Flag picture, above, has recently appeared many times displayed together with Rosenthal's photo, but I have never seen it in combination with the genuine article by Lowery, therefore, I think that this combination of photos above is more appropriate, and each photo complements the other most fully. .

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Monday, 27 March 200610:04 PM
SALUTING BY VETERANS-MIL RETIRED-PASS THE WORD!

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Saturday, 25 March 200611:59 AM
On Saluting and Veterans, Military Retirees, etc.

The following is from a widely circulated e-mail regarding a suggestion by MajGen Vern Lewis, USA (Ret.) and his suggestion on saluting vice hand over heart....
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I gathered some 16 of my old military friends who agreed to sponsor
a movement for Veterans to salute rather than place their hands over
their heart when honoring the flag, fallen comrades, and/or the
country. I have some from each of the four principal services. Three
of them were former Vice Chiefs or Assistant Commandants of their
services, and several were former CINC's.

We refer to saluting when we do the pledge to the flag, when the
National Colors pass or are presented, when the National Anthem or
honors are played, or when taps are played and firing squads or guns
render honors. We got MOAA magazine to ask veterans what they
preferred, hand over the heart or saluting. When last I looked, some
583 veteran respondents had voted 81% in favor of the salute. In
addition, my email address was in the questionnaire and I've had
about 150 responses, with all but a dozen or so in favor of the
salute. Obviously an overwhelming majority of the veterans want to
salute.

There are no regulations telling us veterans what we can and can't
do in this matter. If we decide we want to salute, who will dare to
tell us "no"?

It is a matter of personal choice. We've earned the right to render
a salute. Now the challenge is to get the word out. I believe the
unit and branch associations are the best way. The commanders of the
American Legion and VFW never answered my emails, presuming they
even got them. If we can get this started it will take on a life of
its own. Those who object can continue the hand over the heart
thing. Gradually the custom will change, as well it should.

Just imagine thousands of fans saluting at NFL, MBA, and Major
League Baseball games when the National Anthem is played. It will
telegraph a message to all others of how many have served this
country in the Armed Forces---it will be a positive and patriotic
message.

You can help by putting the word out in your organizations, which
are made up of patriots like you and me. Thanks, my friend.

Vernon B.
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GyG Response:

I, personally, think this suggestion by MajGen Vern Lewis, USA (Ret.) is a good one. As he points out, there are no regulations regarding veterans and military retirees on this specific issue. It is a matter, therefore, of personal choice, and those still preferring the hand over the heart are not affected.
Those who bring up such things as various forms of civilain attire, naval personnel not saluting indoors/outdoors, covered/uncovered, etc. are confusing the issue that is very simple to begin with. Whether or not a salute would be appropriate in certain/all situations would obviously be within the judgment of the individual.

Again, General Lewis states, in part....
"There are no regulations telling us veterans what we can and can't do in this matter. If we decide we want to salute, who will dare to tell us "no"? It is a matter of personal choice. We've earned the right to render a salute. Now the challenge is to get the word out. I believe the unit and branch associations are the best way. The commanders of the American Legion and VFW never answered my emails, presuming they even got them. If we can get this started it will take on a life of its own. Those who object can continue the hand over the heart thing. Gradually the custom will change, as well it should."

I recall that in boot camp in 1952, we were instructed by one of our DIs, a corporal, on saluting. Among many other things, he pointed out that a salute was basically a form of military greeting, and that it was not uncommon for enlisted Marines to salute other Marines both well beyond the prescribed saluting distance, and in civilian clothes. I have since done so myself on many occasions.
-RWG





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Saturday, 18 February 200612:50 PM
Marine Mike Smith and The Enemy Within

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Sunday, 12 February 20068:12 PM
America Wake Up -- 9/11 Was NOT The Beginning!

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Sunday, 12 February 20062:14 PM
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1952 (Plt #437)--'72

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Tuesday, 7 February 20068:24 PM
Marine DI Dead

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1952 (Plt #437)--'72

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Fort Apache

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In addition to Sands Of Iwo Jima, and The Searchers, I think John Wayne's cavalry movies were probably his best.
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The Parris Island Ribbon Creek Tragedy of 1956

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Wednesday, 14 December 200510:01 PM
Ray Jacobs: Eyewitness Iwo Jima Flag Raising


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THE FLAG RAISING ON IWO JIMA
Morning, 1020, Mount Suribachi
23 February 1945
This was Lt Schrier's 40-man combat patrol from E-2-28; later that day, another "replacement" flag was raised and that was captured on camera by Joe Rosenthal...


Is Raymond Still Alive--I just sent him this email--
by Kevin Barre (no login)



Here is a copy of the email I just sent Raymond Jacobs. I hope it finds him alive and well.

My grandfather's name was Sgt. Elbert Thomas Hairston, and was best friends with Lou Lowery until the day Lou died. My grandfather, unfortunately, has also passed, and had this uncanny feeling that I should start researching his old "war stories." This copy of this email is what I sent to Ray....I think I have some interesting info. Hopefully it's new! reply back to kbarre@gmail.com with any response....

Kevin

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December 14, 2005

Mr. Jacobs,

My name is Kevin Barre, and I'd like to take a second or two of your time to relay to you a story. I know that there aren't many of you WWII veterans around, and I certainly hope this message finds you in good health and spirits.

My grandfather's name was Elbert Thomas Hairston (he went by Thomas), and he was stationed in Guam, but was responsible for the Pacific Distribution and Circulation of the Leatherneck Magazine during your years overseas. What I hope to explain to you in this email is that your story strongly resembles the accounts of my grandfather, who had much firsthand knowledge with the events of the Flag Raising.....He remained best friends with Lou Lowery until the day Lou died.

Lou Lowery, after taking the photos, found my grandfather and asked him to do him a favor. His request was that my grandfather transport the film to the nearest place to develop it. My grandfather actually held the film of these pictures in his hands. Unfortunately, he also had another brother stationed at Iwo, so he had to go and check on him. This took precious time, and when he went back finally get these important and historic photos developed, Rosenthal had already taken his pictures, had them developed, and they were already on their way to Life Magazine.

Apparently, there was a discussion with the Commandant of the Marines about the validity of Mr. Rosenthal's photo. My grandfather, until the day he died, explained that he was adamant with the Commandant that the REAL photographs were taken by Lou Lowery, and that history would never understand the real events of the taking of the mountain. My grandfather's story is that the Commandant replied that Mr. Rosenthal's pictures were more patriotic, and quite frankly, were better pictures. I guess he acknowledged that Mr. Lowery's pictures, were in fact, the authentics, but that they were going to forge ahead with Mr. Rosenthal's. Somewhere amid this confusion, it seems your story has been lost as well.

It also has been passed to me that Lowery had more than 30 pictures to be developed....and my grandfather, in his haste to get them done, was only able to in fact develop those 30. This story was passed to me by my mother, so I am unable to verify. I do know that my grandfather had one of the originals in possession up until shortly before he died. None of us in the family are quite sure where that picture went. It mysteriously disappeared.

My grandfather fought hard in the early 90's to get this side of the story known. He never truly forgave himself for not getting those photos developed before Rosenthal did. I think this was his final way of having some closure with those events. It's quite possible that he contacted you in his research. I certainly hope he had that opportunity.

As far as your story, I find it compelling because your story matches more with my grandfather's (as told to him directly by Lou) than MANY of these other accounts I have researched. The stories about HOW you guys scaled the mountain, about Lou falling and injuring himself, about the smoke and unclear and tense nature of the raising, about the piping, the cord, about the confusion of who was who. I always remember my grandfather telling the story as if it were in the "heat of the moment" and that there was plenty of confusion on the mountain that day. He cringed whenever he saw the Rosenthal photo, not only because he blamed himself, but also because he knew the real story.

I, too, noticed the confusion over the actual names in the photographs throughout my research. Your picture comparisons tell quite an interesting story. Due to your account of the events that day, and based on what my grandfather told me, I sincerely wanted to let you know that your story was heard by me, a 27 year old teacher in Cleveland, Ohio.

I'm not sure what it's worth, but the website I found your story on has lots of info on the entire "controversy" but your's was the most compelling. I really wish my grandpa was alive to speak with you, if he hadn't done so. If you did speak with him, I'd love to hear about it.

His efforts to get this story publicized did, in fact, materialize when an article was published in the Leatherneck itself, sometime in the 90's. I plan on seeing my mother during the holidays and could get you more info if you need it.

I'm sure you already know that Lou has died, along with many of those involved that day. Hopefully you find peace with your plight, or at least some solace that I believe your story, and know that all of this controversy has not been entirely well received....and that's a shame. I firmly agree that the record should be straight.

Best wishes for a wonderful holiday season. I hope this message finds you well.

Sincerely,

Kevin Barre
North Royalton, OH
216-509-4144
k.barre@sbcglobal.net


Posted on Dec 13, 2005, 9:24 PM
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From: "RAYMOND JACOBS" <ray1jacobs@msn.com> View Contact Details View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
To: tomfarrell@cox.net, jay5644@comcast.net, Doc666usmc1@aol.com, gyg1345@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Iwo Jima Flag Raising--I hope this finds you.
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:46:07 -0800



My answer to his letterHello Mr.Barre...

Fascinating story about your grandfather.

I had heard a similar story about how Lou
Lowery's and Joe Rosenthal's
pictures were handled.

Both sets of pictures ended up on Guam but
Rosenthals pictures were given
priority in getting them to the states.Lowery,on
the other hand,was a Marine
cameraman so his stuff had to go through Navy
censors.

The news story of the first flag raising also got
priority and,along with
the interviews of we Marines on Suribachi,were
published in the U.S. on
Saturday,Feb.24,1945,the day after the flag
raising.
The news story got to the states early enough for
reporters to get to my
mother at our home for comments and pictures.

The next day,Sunday,Feb.25,1945,the L.A.Times
published Rosenthal's picture
of the second flag raising on the front pageThe
caption under that picture
credited me by name as a flag raiser.There's your
confusion.It wasn't until
a week or more later that Lowey's picture of the
first flag raising was
published in Life magazine.

Next,Time magazine published a story that
Rosenthal's picture was
posed.Associated Press owned the rights to
Rosenthal's pictures so they
threatened to sue and started raising a fuss with
the Commandant demanding
an explanation.Reporters on Iwo chimed in.They
knew that Rosenthal's picture
was real but it was simply a photo of the
replacement of the smaller
original flag with a larger flag.Rosenthal almost
didn't get the picture but
what he shot turned out to be a great picture.

The dispute ended up in the Commandant's
office.A.P. got credit,Life/Time
dropped the 'posed' story and got to use A.P.'s
pictures and the Marine
Corps got free use of Rosenthal's picture in
perpetuity.The Commandant then
ordered Lowery's pictures and the story of the
first flag raising
surpressed.The story and a few of Lowery's
pictures were finally published
in Leatherneck about 2 1/2 years later.

They didn't see light of day again until 2002
when Leatherneck said it had
discovered Lowery's negatives in files.

I have heard that Lowery carried 4 film packs on
his trip up Suribachi.Those
film packs held 8 negatives each.When the
Commandant ordered Lowery's photos
and the story surpressed he put into effect a
reluctance by all Marines to
do any serious research into the first flag
raising.That's why to this day
the folks at Leatherneck and the Marine History
Center are happy to do
nothing to make waves and it explains why they
circled the wagons when I
provided proof that the official version of the
first flag raising was
wrong.

There are 3 survivors of the first flag
raising.Charles Lindberg and Phil
Ward are in poor health but still with us.I have
been blessed with good
health.


I am making headway.My story has been widely
distributed to
authors,reporters and,more importantly, to
Marines of all ranks and at all
levels.

Any additional information you would supply would
be very much
appreciated.If I can answer any questions just
ask away.Thanks for
writing.Good to hear from you.

Semper Fi,Ray Jacobs
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Reference
Ray Jacobs Eyewitness Iwo Jima Flag Raising

http://carol_fus.tripod.com/marines_hero_ray_jacobs.html
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R.W. "Dick" Gaines
GnySgt USMC (Ret.)
1952 (Plt #437)--'72

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Friday, 9 December 20054:40 PM
I Met Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller,,,,

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R.W. "Dick" Gaines
GnySgt USMC (Ret.)
1952 (Plt #437)--'72

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