Who the hell picked these teams?

Something very wrong here.


http://www.gthlcanada.com/bulletins/06_U17Roster.pdfRepresentation

Thanks for fixing the URL.

Take a look at the representation.

Thats right, thats what good agents do, they have a ton of influence, I don't think people really understand what an agent does completely.

does anyone have the Georgetown/Alliston under 17 email info?

Whats the big deal

Oops repsonded to the wrong person. I hate these computers I'm all thumbs.

What is wrong with the teams? I don't understand the problem.

what are the teams

It appears he is questioning the teams they were selected from.

Number of players picked from each team

Jr. Canadiens 11
Toronto Red Wings 11
Toronto Marlboros 12
Mississauga IceDogs 7
Vaughan Kings 3
Don Mills Flyers 6
Toronto Young Nationals 6
Markham Majors 8
Mississauga Senators 10
Mississauga Rebels 3
North York Rangers 1
Wexford Raiders 2


Coaches

Max Saegert
Ron Short
Tony Palermo
Alan Sherman
Bill Giesler
Brad McCourt
Terry Richmond
Nick Bokalo

How can the Sens get 10 players and finish out of the playoffs?

Team Black
# Team Pos
1 Troy Passingham M Sen G
30 Matthew Hoyle T Marl G
2 Nicholas Crawford DMF D
3 Mark Cundari V Kings D
4 Matthew Russo M Reb D
5 Daniel Tanel M Sen D
6 Robert Brennan Jr. Can D
7 Michael D'Orazio Jr. Can D
8 David Mathers TRW F
9 Cameron Flint MI Dogs F
10 Behn Robertson M Majors F
11 Stefan Salituro T Marl F
12 Jeffrey Vanderlugt M Majors F
14 Dustin Laren M Reb F
15 Anthony Luciani DMF F
16 Joshua Dadic TRW F
17 Ryan Hancock T Marl F
18 Joshua Brittain Jr. Can F
19 David Morley TY Nats F
20 Francesco Salituro DMF F

Coach Max Saegert
Coach Tony Palermo
Trainer Phil Voutier


Team Blue
# Team Pos
1 Peter Di Salvo DMF G
30 Justin Soave Jr. Can G
2 Brandon Burlon V. Kings D
3 Jarred Seymour T Marl D
4 Ryan Goldberg Jr. Can D
5 Nicholas D'agostino TY Nats D
6 Emyle Morgan T Marl D
7 Tyler Cuma MI Dogs D
8 Kain Allicock TRW F
9 John Girman M Sen F
10 Marc Rubino MI Dogs F
11 Guy Carteciano TRW F
12 Philip Varone V Kings F
14 Dane Horvat Wex F
15 Anthony Nigro DMF F
16 Marco Franchini MI Dogs F
17 Kelly Jackson T. Marl F
18 Chris DeSousa Jr. Can F
19 Jaskirat Gill DMF F
20 Jason Koumaris M Sen F

Coach Ron Short
Coach Alan Sherman
Trainer Jim Parcels
Trainer Rob Minimae


Team Red
# Team Pos
1 Michael Covello TY Nats G
30 Jonathan Rumley MI Dogs G
2 Myles Micallef TY Nats D
3 Robyn Sertic T Marlb D
4 Justin Di Donato MI Dogs D
5 Cameron Watts M Sen D
6 Howard Edwards TY Nats D
7 Alexander Pietrangelo Jr. Can D
8 Erik Axell Jr. Can F
9 Steven McDonald TRW F
10 Taylor Law M Majors F
11 Stefan Della Rovere Jr. Can F
12 Stephen Francella TRW F
14 Cole Rubinoff M Majors F
15 Matthew Sisca MI Dogs F
16 Michael Colavecchia TRW F
17 Michael Moher M Sen F
18 Matthew Ribeiro M Sen F
19 Michael Sardella T Marl F
20 Vito Carnovale Wex F

Coach Bill Giesler
Coach Terry Richmond
Trainer Joe Picko Jr.

Team White
# Team Pos
1 Michael Hutchinson M Majors G
30 Edward Paquale TRW G
2 Jesse Hebscher TRW D
3 Nicholas Avgerinos M Majors D
4 Trevor Montague M Sen D
5 Andrew Oreskovic M Sen D
6 Jesse Juha T Marlb D
7 Mitch Gaulton TRW D
8 Tyler Allen T Marl F
9 Zach Pilote M Majors F
10 Ned Bowland Jr. Can F
11 Corey Trivino T Marl F
12 William Heelis M Sen F
14 Bryan Weinberg NYR F
15 Jake Carrick M Majors F
16 Nicholas Vassos TY Nats F
17 Dylan MacEachern Jr. Can F
18 Chris Dunham TRW F
19 Lindsay Sparks M Rebels F
20 Adam Scuglia T Marl F

Coach Brad McCourt
Coach Nick Bokalo
Trainer Nicholas Kovachev

These are the top 80!

FAR FROM IT

10 from the Senators and only three from the Kings. The selection process seems somewhat skewed. How can a non playoff team rate 10 players? I guess Max delivered after all!?! Brad McCourt gets to fill water bottles one more time.

Kids had to apply to be evaluated.

Good coach selection to boot

The whole process is an absolute joke and the GTHL should be ashamed of themselves for even attempting to feed us this crap. 10 Senators come on who are you kidding.

The politics of sport!

Why didn't they pick little Freddie S. on the Sens and make it "11" ?

Herb, Max here.

Max.

Max Saegert.

Max, M-A-X Saegert, S-A-E-G-E-R-T.

You know, I'm the coach of the Miss Senators Minor Midget team.

Well we would have done better but the players didn't do what I told them.

Did I ever tell you that I'm a scout for the Peterborough Petes?

Oh I did?

Well I still am. I would have been coaching too but I heard Dick was a little hard up for cash & needed to come out of retirement.

Listen, I'm already coaching & scouting the Minor Midgets, if you want for a small fee I could scout & help with the selection of the players for the U17 camp.

Really, it's only a small fee.

Did I ever tell you that I'm a scout for the Peterborough Petes?

Oh.

Okay I'll do it for free.

Have I told you that I'm a scout for the Peterborough Petes?

How much will it cost me?

I'll do it.

I'll have the list of players for you soon.

Oh, by the way, did I tell you I'm coaching Minor Midget again next year?

Bye

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Sherman - Saegert here, we got a new gig

oh...well...that was, uh..wierd...go somewhere else with your wierd jokes no one gets

why are these bum coach's picked for this,
where are the top coach's.

I thought it was pretty funny. He was pretending he was talking to Herb Ebisuzki who has something to do with the GTHL under 17.

what a joke.....!!!!

Gardiner: Who can we get cheap
Oakman: How about the last place coach and the ninth place coach,
Gardiner:Ok, anyone else you can think of?
Oakman: do you have any relatives or friends?

yes, it was political but you also have to see the list of the boys that did not apply, that will answer some of your questions as to why they are not there.

In addition, some of the boys picked could have been picked to make others look better or worse. Just another hockey event, almost meaningless. In the end it is really all for fun so enjoy this and the Prospects and may your boy enjoy himself and be healthy.

O.K. here's my take on the selection process.

The Nats, Majors and Senators have 50% more players selected than the Ice Dogs,Kings and Flyers because for some unknown reason they just happened to underachieve during the season, when in fact their players were far superior to the Ice Dogs, Kings and Flyers. The fact that the Flyers actually won the Championship is the work of some satanical force that obviously knows nothing about the game of hockey. That just should not have happened.

The fact that the Senators didn't even make it to the post season and that the Nats and Majors exited the post-season without even a wimper, is just as absurd, because obviously they had a much better core group of players than the Ice Dogs, Kings and Flyers combined.

Why doesn't the GTHL just come out and say that their policy is to give back to those unfortunate few players, who just happened to be on lousy hockey teams, but were coached by some form of wannabe scouts, a chance to play in this event. It's not about gathering the best available talent to compete for spots on the Under 17 squad, it's to make a farce of the whole evaluation system, because they can and will. End of Story.

The question to be asked here is DO THESE MORONS WHO ARE SUPPOSEDLY IN CHARGE OF THIS FARCE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW STUPID THEY LOOK?

I would bet the house that they don't. How else can you explain this lunacy?

Could a kid be chosen to go to the next camp (level) without attending this camp? In other words could a kid be on the Under 17 team without having attended the initial GTHL camp?

Why would you bring the Nats into this. There is not one coach in this camp for Uner 17that is associated with the Nats organization.

So we all know this Max guy is with the Senators but who are the rest of these coaches?

Max Saegert
Ron Short
Tony Palermo
Alan Sherman
Bill Giesler
Brad McCourt
Terry Richmond
Nick Bokalo

I guess we should also believe that of the top 24 defensemen in the GTHL the Senators had 4 of them?

Can I sell you some swamp land in Niagara?

Oh I forgot, so did the Jr. Cdns have 4. I guess the Senators defensemen are as strong as the Jr. Cdns and obviously stronger than all of the other GTHL teams!

Yeah right. Oh I'll take 10 acres of the swampland, please.

It is possible that a lot of kids didn't register for the under 17 camp therefore a lot of other kids got in. Is it not possible?

No it is not possible. This list is as close as it gets to those that truly belong at this prestigious camp.

Alot of players did not register....what you see is what did out of a possible 204 (est.) AAA MM players. Many are missing out on a great experience.

So the OHL does not want to come out & watch prospects. But they will come out & watch this poorly selected excuse of an under 17 camp because the GTHL will be making the money instead of Turow.

It doesen't matter at this point, Prospects or U17. The list is cut off. If your not on the list as of this March 25th then you won't be put on no matter what you do at either of these camps.

It doesen't matter at this point, Prospects or U17. The list is cut off. If your not on the list as of this March 25th then you won't be put on no matter what you do at either of these camps.

I'm just assuming that looking at the number of Kings chosen that maybe a lot of them didn't register for the programme allowing more from another team. You had to register to be chosen!

The responses to this posting are typical of what the 1990 site has been for the last three years. People posting responses without thinking or "my boy is the best and never gets a break" or just people being idiots. To the person who made some sense, yes you had to apply to get selected, many boys apparently did not apply. As for the coaches, many have been part of the under 17 program for many years. As for dissing Al Sherman, if you have been around the GTHL you will know Al is one of the most respected and dedicated individuals around and considered to be a top level coach. Once again Max Saegert gets more shots and not deserving. Once again look at where the Sens have come from only three years ago. This year's 31 points would have gotten them into any other AAA division playoffs this year and thats with only 33 games played. Minor Midget AAA was one of the tightest divisions and more competitive then anytime over the last three years and Sens were there is most games. Another note, the Sens played 8 of the teams in this years OHL Cup and beat or tied 7 of them, some more than once.

Stop the bitching. What is, is!!

Good luck to all the boys competing, don't forget to have fun and get to know some more hockey players.

It's just a game!!

Yea okay Max.

Talk around the rink, OHL CUP and Prospects, was that there were severel boys that did apply but were not accepted for whatever reason. Some of those not selected are on the OHL draft list. One is rated a "A" player. So don't say something doesn't smell here because it does. Best of luck to those selected.

GTHL standings Before & after Max

Before Max

Peewee AAA, 2002-2003
Team GP W L T GF GA Goal avg. Pts
1 Jr. Canadiens 36 31 2 3 189 51 0.7875 65
2 Vaughan Kings 36 28 6 2 165 56 0.7466 58
3 Markham Islanders 36 21 11 4 164 85 0.6586 46
4 Mississauga Rebels 36 18 9 9 105 82 0.5615 45
5 Toronto Red Wings 36 17 13 6 137 103 0.5708 40
6 North York Rangers 36 17 13 6 111 99 0.5286 40
7 Toronto Marlboros 36 14 12 10 106 95 0.5274 38
8 Toronto Young Nationals 36 17 15 4 117 100 0.5392 38
9 Wexford Raiders 36 14 16 6 101 134 0.4298 34
10 Mississauga Senators 36 5 25 6 56 138 0.2887 16
11 Mississauga Reps 36 1 31 4 55 177 0.2371 6
12 Don Mills Flyers 36 1 31 4 52 238 0.1793 6


After Max

Minor Midget AAA, 2005-2006
Team GP W L T GF GA GF avg Pts
1 Jr. Canadiens 33 24 5 4 126 43 0.7456 52
2 Toronto Red Wings 33 21 8 4 115 52 0.6886 46
3 Toronto Marlboros 33 21 8 4 108 64 0.6279 46
4 Mississauga IceDogs 33 20 8 5 153 79 0.6595 45
5 Vaughan Kings 33 19 11 3 120 69 0.6349 41
6 Don Mills Flyers 33 17 12 4 129 82 0.6114 38
7 Toronto Young Nationals 33 14 13 6 84 95 0.4693 34
8 Markham Majors 33 13 13 7 93 80 0.5376 33
9 Mississauga Senators 33 11 13 9 98 90 0.5213 31
10 Mississauga Rebels 33 11 22 0 80 113 0.4145 22
11 North York Rangers 33 1 30 2 38 196 0.1624 4
12 Wexford Raiders 33 2 31 0 32 213 0.1306 4


Just a quick glance but I think the Miss Reps/Ice Dogs & Don Mills may have made a more significant improvement.

Yes they did. I would have to say point wise and goals for and against there was a significant improvement with all three teams. And look how far the Rangers, Islanders and Rebels have fallen.

Since Max came into the 90's loop his Senators have improved by 15 points. The Ice Dogs have improved by 39 pts & DMF by 32 plus add 1 GTHL championship. Pat yourself on the back if you want but as the poster a couple of spots up said "the Miss Reps/Ice Dogs & Don Mills may have made a more significant improvement". More points & much more than moving up 1 position and still out of the playoffs. Some other teams have gone into the toilet but the Senators have not yet climbed out.

However you want to slice pie, they still never made the playoffs. What usually happens to coaches at any level when you don't make the playoffs? Enough said.

Oh, a post from Hamilton Public Library, I wonder who that could be.

You need to compare apples with apples. Some teams improved by the simple fact that players migrated from one team to an other. The Flyers are are good example. They draw Nigro,Villa and Crawford from the Rebels. Rebels went down and Flyers up.
So be careful of statistics use simply to justify a bias point of view

The OHL boys' were NEVER EVER interested in the Prospects.

This tournie was for "Turrow" to line his pockets. Didn't u know that before u paid ???

Please, "The OHL boys' were NEVER EVER interested in the Prospects.", Were they too busy talking to the NHL scouts about how much they are going to sign for?

The selection sucks. Come on 10 Senators and only 6 from the GTHL champs. A few of those kids selected should be playing AA forget about making the under 17 camp.

If this Max guy has convinced you to look at his accomplishments with the Senators over his term as coach, to try and justify his manipulation of the process to favour his kids. Then you are just as corrupt and incompetent at evaluating talent as he is.

He has made this whole process a farce and the proof is in the selections of 10 Senators and a few others who because of their deep pockets, and only their deep pockets, have managed to buy their kids way into this camp.

Shame on all of you, but soon it will all come to an end.

I don't know why your shorts are in such a knot, only the correct kids will make the team, theothers simply applied and were selected, so a few kids slid in, big deal. The final team will have top kids on it and that is all that matters.

Your right. Why even bother. Nobody in the GTHL has any principals anyway. The whole process is a farce from start to finish. Nothing to get excited about, we should all teach our kids that the reason things don't make sense in life is that anybody can be bought and in the end who really cares.
Right from the recruiting through to the favouritism displayed by the various coaches and their paid pets. In the end it's all BS. Thank God for the Brent Sutters of the world, who will stand up and say, I don't care where he's from or where he's been, I will pick only the best available players to be on my team. Refreshing concept isn't it!

A lot of kids will end their minor hockey career with the manipulation and bull**** of the GTHL U17 camp selection. Kind of an appropriate sendoff since it has become synonymous with minor hockey.

"You need to compare apples with apples. Some teams improved by the simple fact that players migrated from one team to an other. The Flyers are are good example. They draw Nigro,Villa and Crawford from the Rebels. Rebels went down and Flyers up.
So be careful of statistics use simply to justify a bias point of view"

And what the hell does this have to do with the selection process being a complete joke? Although, I'm not sure if people should be directing their criticism at those coaches/orgainizations (Sens, Nats, Majors and let's not forget the Marlies leading the league with 12) that did a great job of promoting and endorsing their own. I wonder if people should be directing as much criticism to the coaches/organizations (Kings, Flyers and Ice Dogs)for failing to promote and endorse their own. I know of one player believed to be an A rated player who has been contacted by several OHL teams, another player who is believed to be a B rated player who has been contacted by a couple OHL teams and another player who is not on the draft list but without doubt should be at the GTHL under 17 camp well ahead of several of the players that will be attending. Shame on the GTHL, Shame on the selection committe and shame on Hockey Canada for allowing such a blatant mockery of the selection process to take place. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

I couldn't agree more! But then again the GTHL has always made it's own rules. The problem is that although the concept of an elite league, with little or no restrictions on player movement, is acceptable. The fact is that the corruption and deceit displayed by the coaches, parents and organizations has gotten out of control.

Okay Mr. Barber

A CHALLENGE TO ALL, I agree with 66.49.211.50 in the U-17 blog.
There is an obvious conspiracy. I personally know of A players that have been contacted by several teams in the O and ,there own team, because of politics and $$$$$ didn't give them the accredation they deserved.
Somebodies Daddy has big bucks cause there are also A rated players that are and have predominantly been liabilities to there team all year. However, they are also the ones on the ice all the time.
I don't even want to go into the fact that there are a couple of AA rated players that have stepped up to the plate all year long and again were pushed back because of politics. I'm not a parent just a huge fan whom is getting discouraged by the obvious demise of the GTHL who is supposed to personify the best development in minor hockey in ontario...Its become a joke. Those poor players who keep looking for the accredation that is so deserving to get on the radar quicker by the scouts have had to work that much harder. I attended the OHL Cup and other then a handful of household names there were kids there that, a few years from today, will surpass them all....I found them and if you know your hockey let me know who you think they are????

I think the GTHL has now become a business
and they cater to their big customers;
their big customers family and their friends.

It's Toronto- lots of teams, lots of money around.

Boy ain't that the truth!

Any predictions ?

Look for the dynamic duo of "Vassos" and "Trevino" to light up the net.