who is doing well, who is there but not getting much ice, and who will be there in the future

sam gagner is doin amazing

Not a 90, born in 89

http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/stats/statdisplay.php?type=top_scorers&subType=2&season_id=29&&leagueId=1&lastActive=&singleSeason=

Top Scorers
Hodgson 7-5-12
Stamkos 7-3-10
Pieterangelo 1-7-8
Moon 3-2-5
Henrique 2-2-4
Jenks 1-3-4
Howard 0-4-4

Lomas - Brampton 3 G 4 A = 7 Pts

Here is the break down of the top 3 rounds of last springs OHL draft.

I should preface this by saying that I have no idea how much icetime these kids have received. They may have played 6 or 7 games & only had 5 or 6 shifts in total. Then again they may have had lots of quality ice. Of course I have not seen them all play yet this year.


I have highlighted a few of the more exceptional stats & a few of the surprises whether in a positive or negative sense.


1 1 Sarnia Sting Stamkos, Steven Sarnia OHL 6 GP 7 G 3 A 10 PTS

1 2 Oshawa Generals Del Zotto, Michael Oshawa OHL 6 GP 0 G 3 A 3 PTS

1 3 Mississauga IceDogs Pietrangelo, Alex Mississauga OHL 6 GP 1 G 7 A 8 PTS

1 4 Erie Otters Gaulton, Mitch Erie OHL 6 GP 1 G 1 A 1 PTS

1 5 Sault Ste. Marie Livingston, James Sault OHL 8 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

1 6 Ottawa 67's Cuma, Tyler Ottawa OHL 6 GP 1 G 1 A 2 PTS

1 7 Windsor Spitfires Nemisz, Greg Windsor OHL 7 GP 2 G 2 A 4 PTS

1 8 Owen Sound Attack D'Orazio, Michael Owen Sound OHL 8 GP 0 G 1 A 1 PTS

1 9 Belleville Bulls Beauchamp-Lalonde, Shawn Belleville OHL 7 GP 1 G 2 A 3 PTS

1 10 St. Michael's Majors O'Neil, Dylan St. Mikes OHL 8 GP 1 G 1 A 2 PTS

1 11 Sudbury Wolves Staal, Jared Sudbury OHL 8 GP 0 G 1 A 1 PTS

1 12 Saginaw Spirit Crawford, Nick Saginaw OHL 7 GP 0 G 1 A 1 PTS

1 13 Plymouth Whalers Cooper, Vern Plymouth OHL 7 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

1 14 Kingston Frontenacs Brittain, Josh Kingston OHL 4 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

1 15 Guelph Storm Nigro, Anthony Guelph OHL 6 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

1 16 Barrie Colts Della Rovera, Stefan Barrie OHL 5 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

1 17 Brampton Battalion Hodgson, Cody Brampton OHL 8 GP 7 G 5 A 12 PTS

1 18 Kitchener Rangers Kadri, Nazem Kitchener OHL 7 GP 0 G 0 A 1PTS

1 19 Peterborough Petes Bogosian, Zach Peterborough OHL 6 GP 1 G 0 A 1 PTS

1 20 London Knights McRae, Philip London OHL 6 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS



2 21 Sarnia Sting Prout, Dalton Sarnia OHL 4 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

2 22 Oshawa Generals Howard, Dean Odhawa OHL 4 GP 0 G 4 A 4 PTS

2 23 Sarnia Sting DiSalvo, Peter Chatam Jr. B 6 GP 1 W 3 L 0 T GAA 5.23 SV% .859

2 24 Windsor Spitfires Henrique, Adam Windsor OHL 7 GP 2 G 2 A 4 PTS

2 25 Sault Ste. Marie Jones, Sean Sault OHL 4 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

2 26 Ottawa 67's Lindsay, Cody Ottawa OHL 6 GP 0 G 1 A 1 PTS

2 27 Windsor Spitfires Battani, Thomas 1989 Windsor OHL 6 GP 2 G 0 A 2 PTS

2 28 Ottawa 67's Nesbitt, Thomas Ottawa OHL 6 GP 1 G 0 A 1 PTS

2 29 Windsor Spitfires Cundari, Mark Windsor OHL 7 GP 0 G 1 A 1 PTS

2 30 St. Michael's Majors Billingsley, Tim St. Mikes OHL 7 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

2 31 Sudbury Wolves Larson, Justin Sudbury OHL 7 GP 1 G 0 A 1 PTS

2 32 Belleville Bulls Tipoff, Matthew Belleville OHL 5 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

2 33 St. Michael's Majors Gaunce, Cameron Markham OHA 9 GP 0 G 3 A 3 PTS

2 34 Kingston Frontenacs Moon, Nathan Kingston OHL 6 GP 3 G 2 A 5 PTS

2 35 Guelph Storm Moran, Patrick Guelph OHL 6 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

2 36 Barrie Colts Hutchings, Alex Barrie OHL 3 GP 0 G 1 A 1 PTS

2 37 Brampton Battalion Lomas, Michael Brampton OHL 8 GP 3 G 4 A 7 PTS

2 38 Kitchener Rangers Mascioli, Mike Kitchener OHL 1989 1 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

2 39 Ottawa 67's Ribeiro, Matt Ottawa OHL 1 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

2 40 Mississauga IceDogs Dadic, Josh Mississauga OHA 13 GP 1 G 3 A 4 PTS



3 41 Sault Ste. Marie Perlini, Brett SOO Thunderbirds NOJHL 6 GP 3 G 3 A 6

3 42 Oshawa Generals Peters, Anthony Oshawa OHL 3 GP 0 W 2 L 0 T GAA 6.29 SV% .802

3 43 Mississauga IceDogs VanLaren, Chris North Bay NOJHL 4 GP 1 G 3 A 4 PTS

3 44 Erie Otters Geoffrey, Kelly Erie OHL 8 GP 2 G 5 A 7 PTS

3 45 Erie Otters Shaw, Brian Erie OHL 6 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

3 46 Ottawa 67's Seymour, Jarred Wellington OHA 2 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

3 47 Saginaw Spirit Brodie, T.J. Saginaw OHL 5 GP 0 G 2 A 2 PTS

3 48 Kingston Frontenacs Mignardi, Robert Kingston OHL 4 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

3 49 Barrie Colts Lashoff, Brian Barrie OHL 4 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

3 50 St. Michael's Majors Allen, Tyler St. Mikes OHL 6 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

3 51 Sudbury Wolves Gill, J.K. Sudbury OHL 7 GP 1 G 1 A 2 PTS

3 52 London Knights Hunter, Tucker London Nationals Jr. B 6 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

3 53 Plymouth Whalers Kane, Tom Thunder Bay Bearcats SIJHL 5 GP 0 G 0 A 0 PTS

3 54 Guelph Storm Steckley, Kyle Fort Erie Jr. B GHL 8 GP 2 G 4 A 6 PTS

3 55 Owen Sound Attack Burlon, Brandon St. Mikes OHA 13 GP 2 G 4 A 6 PTS

3 56 Belleville Bulls Pasquale, Edward Wellington OHA 3 GP 3 W 0 L 0 T GAA 2.67 SV% .887

3 57 Brampton Battalion Zarbo, Matt Boston Junior EJHL 6 GP 0 G 1 A 1 PTS

3 58 Kitchener Rangers Commerford, Jamie London Knights Midget

3 59 Peterborough Petes Ciampini, Daniel Don Mills Flyers Midget

3 60 St. Michael's Majors Carrozzi, Christopher St. Mikes OHL 5GP 1W 1 L 0 T GAA 4.27 SV%.887

this is a great report on progress. the stats can be even more meaningful if you could add +/- per player. this could help show relative ice time and quality of ice. another key piece is line-mates and depth chart for the team but this gets too complicated. try running report again with +/- as well after 10 games or so...

A lot depends on which team u went to and what role you are put in, if you are a 3-4th line player on a good team tou will see little ice early on and you have to earn your way up the ladder. You will see no PP time and no ice late in close games. If u go to a weak team and you are getting all the PP and key ice like Tavares did last year or Stamkos did this year, your stats will look a hell of a lot better. As a coach if you have solid 18-20 yr old players who are gettinig it done, why not ease your pick in the games as the season progresses. You don't need to play your new kids much and u have better harmony in the room.

True, different teams, different coaches, different situations, different linemates, different roles & varying amounts of icetime will create different results.

One problem with some coaches though is they will ease players in too slowly based on nothing but their year of birth. They may allienate the player or bust his confidence & desire. If the player is good enough, you have to let him run with it. He'll make mistakes & learn & correct those mistakes. If a 90 is better than a 20 year old he would get the ice on my team. He'll be there for 2 to 4 years & the potential & rewards for my team team far outweigh the learning curve mistakes.

Sam Gagner as an 89 rookie seems to have jumped the learning curve. If he was stuck with a coach that wanted to "ease the rookie in" then he might have drastically different results. Meanwhile McRae appears to be struggling while on the same team. Different roles, different linemates could also play a part here???

The bottom line here is that kids who are used to being the "go-to" guys are now having to learn a role they've never played before.

This is where the "weeding-out" process starts as some have no idea how to adapt to new roles while others are adjusting.

Numbers only tell about 1/2 the story in this game.

Another stunning number....

Out of the OHL kids drafted to the NHL since 1999 - 44% of the NHL draft picks - DIDN'T PLAY IN THE OHL AS 16-YEAR OLD UNDERAGERS!

Check your CJHL, NOJHL, OPJHL, WOHL, MOJHL, GHJHL rosters, look at the 90's and find 10-15 guys who will end up being NHL Draft picks who aren't on OHL rosters right now!

The real wakeup call comes at the end of June 2008.

To the poster three spaces above: Don't forget that OHL coaches are under trememndous pressure to win. They may not play their 16 year olds because they feel they can't help their club win right away. Players who are able to "produce" right away will get the ice time regardless of age. For example, Stamkos, Hodgson, Pietrangelo and DelZotto seem to be getting more ice time because they are producing points right away. Players who don't seem to be able to put up the numbers right away will likely be "allowed to develop slowly". OHL coaches won't allow 16 year olds to develop by going out and "making mistakes and correcting them later". Being a healthy scratch or sitting at the end of the bench and developing in practice may not be a good choice for those who aren't playing regularly every night.

Hey 3:17

I watched Stamkos and Del Zotto play live and yes they play a lot but they are on lusy teams so the have to play them. Stamkos is a special player and a #1 pick, Del Zotto looked like a 16 yr old when I watched him which is okay but I like the story about learning your role. it is a great lesson to go and be at the back of the bus and earn your way to the front by proving to your teammates that you are a top 4 d or a top 6 fwd instead of being annointed as such.

I guarantee every 90 playing in the OHL is making mistakes. For that matter so are all the 17 to 20 year olds as well. The major point is that they have to correct them. Look at Hodgsons numbers, he is a -2 in the plus/minus. He is the ONLY player on Brampton with a point that is in the negative column. His offensive benefits right now give him a little leeway, but he is expected to learn from the mistakes & correct them. It's the players that do not learn nor correct them that will not see the icetime or will have a very short OHL career.

If I wanted to I could watch any OHL player for 10 minutes & then pick apart his game. If any coach doesn't give those players that opportunity to make the mistakes & correct them later, then he is an idiot & should be avoided as a team to report to. That is what coaching is about, minimizing & correcting mistakes that his team makes. It is expected the players will make the mistakes right on into the NHL.

So are you saying that 56% that played as 16 year olds since 1999 have been drafted in the NHL?

No, what he is saying is that of the 100% of player that were drated to the NHL 56% played as 16 yr olds

Sounds like I said the samething just in a different way.

Other than a handful most of these boys are seeing a limited amount of ice time. With the new rules if you're not getting PK or PP that time is extremely limited. Stamkos, Hodgson, Petroangelo(sp?)Delzotto, Geoffrey, Gaulton, Lomas, Howard, Lalonde, Henrique, Cundari to name a few are getting a chance. Now these boys are capitalizing which is great for them, but their at least getting the opportunity. The rest and may I say some very talented players are paying their rookie dues and learning from the crowd. Unfortunately, not all Coaches at the "O" level are willing to use rookies unless it is in a very limited role. Next year will be interesting.

I would say that any of the drafted players, playing for their respective teams that were handed an opportunity to play a regular shift and get the odd PP would put points up ,some that have always done well would obviously do better just like they did last year.Trouble is each team is very different,the 89's and 90's are the best players on the team which is why their team is in last or close to it,where as the teams that the 89's and 90's are middle to bottom players right now and not playing as much are more likely on teams closer to the top.What would you rather be, on the team that always loses but you play lots(do you learn anything in that situation)or on the team that wins makes the playoffs but you get limited ice time till you earn it.Try to remember some kids from last year that had great numbers but their team didn't make playoffs or bowed out early,hard isn't it.Now try to remember kids from winning teams,Waxers,Canadiens,Red Wings etc. a lot easier isn't it.so who is to say which is good which is wrong ,only time will tell.

Call me crazy but I would rather play a lot on a weak team than sit in the stands or rot on a bench of a strong team.

I am glad to see most of the boys are getting an opportunity and some have excelled. Yes most will be making lots of mistakes given the opportunities, and it will show in their +/- stats. Most is because of the transition period from minor hockey to Junior. What they did in minor cannot be done in junior and once they iron it out, their stats will get better. It is the coach's responsibility to correct the mistakes. But,if those mistakes continue to happen, they are no longer mistakes but habits, and if that happens, ice time deminishes until those habits are broken. In the end, the coach's job will be to win, and if players are not performing, you will see ice time will be taken away. I think you are starting to see that in a few kids in the OHL that were at the top of the game just a several months ago.

why are people forgeting tavares, he was born in 90

Things will really start to happen in the next 10-15 games. The players that are getting power play and penalty kill time will probably start contributing 5 on 5 as well with their confidence being up. The others that have been patiently waiting their turn may get more "earned" ice and will really appreciate it and start putting up some numbers as well.

Dec & Jan should allow enough time to better gauge how the players are adapting and performing in their rookie year....

As for Tavares, no one is forgetting him. He is one year ahead of all 90s and ahead of many 89s !!!

is T.J Brodie gone up to saginaw since they had that conflict with all the players

personally,I would say the game is catching up to john taveres.

and probably learning nothing and go nowhere,crazy !

Have there been any fights in the games involving the 90's in efforts to revenge some the moments from minor hockey?

no

Cundari and D'Orazio fought. Give the decision to Cundari.