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Tragedy at Tiananmen Square

February 3 2004 at 7:48 PM
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I have promised an explaination of the tragic events that happened in Tiananmen Square on 1989-06-10 for a while now and here it is.

Run-up to Tiananmen

Prior to 1989 Deng Xiaoping was making many gradual reforms, among them economic and political. The previously draconian measure imposed during the "Gang of Four" coup attempt were recinded, and "whistle blowing" was encouraged.

But the economic success brought with it large scale corruption amongst senior government officials and senior PLA officers. Why PLA? In 1981, when Deng announced the reforms, he slashed the military budget (in order to fund agriculture and social programmes) but encouraged the PLA to start businesses in order to finance itself. Unfortunately, some PLA officers would exploit their command of naval bases and use them to trade and undercut many state-owned and emerging private enterprises. This did not go unnoticed.

Foreign influences

Idealistic students decided to start a movement in early 1989 to inform people, and eventually mobilise them against these corrupt officials, much like Mao mobilised the people against Lin Biao (former defence minister) during the "Cultural Revolution." These "idealists" found inspiration in American-style mass protests of the Vietnam era, brought to them by Taiwanese and US intelligence agents, who happened to be "young students."

Why the interest by the CIA? The Berlin Wall came crashing down, the "Velvet Revolution" were coming about in Czechoslovakia and Poland, Nikolai Ceucescu was about to be executed and the USSR was near collapse. Quite simply, the CIA couldn't resist a chance to overthrow the other major pole of Communism.

So the "students" in China started to camp out in the early spring on Tiananmen Square. Initially they enjoyed great support amongst the populace, where parents and children alike would come to applaud these marches. Initially the government decided to let the issue die down or negotiate a solution, but after 2+ months of camping out and literally polluting Tiananmen Square (both with bodily excrements and garbage) the situation urgently needed to be dealt with by government officials.

Key players & their views

Zhao Ziyang, the Prime Minister and hence no.2 official in the government, was initially sympathetic to their cause. He had spoken with some of the "leaders" and said he would promptly address the matter in cabinet, with a probable investigation. But he also stated that as Prime Minister, he had a duty to ensure public security and thus had to bring in police and army troops into the area. These troops were mostly local conscripts from Beijing and were thus sympathetic to the locals and PM Zhao.

Li Peng was the minister in charge of public security and no.3 in the government. He no doubt had ambitions on Zhao Ziyang's job but he was also a hawk that was suspicious of both the way students managed to stay in the Square day in and day out (i.e. how was it they had tents?) and the way in which Zhao was so sympathetic. He suspected Zhao was recruited by CIA and thus ordered in troops from another region (possibly Jiling, near Shanghai) to "counter-balance" troops from Beijing loyal to Zhao. Having been educated in the USSR, Li Peng was a firm believer in Soviet KGB tactics and wanted a severe retaliation against both the "students" AND their suspected supporters, i.e. Taiwan and USA.

Deng Xiaoping was in a precarious position. His no.2 and no.3 men were going at each other and recruiting other ministers to their side, effectively dividing the government. One day Li would issue stern warnings against the students while Zhao would effectively rally them the next. With both sides trying to recruit both ministers and troops to their respective factions Deng Xiaoping had to put an end to this division. He also had to seperate this troops, lest the troops under Li's and Zhao's respective influences fire upon each other and the civilians. Therefore, Deng brought in his best troops that were under his direct command, what is now known as the 15th Airborne Army. The 15th Airborne was tasked with protecting the Paramount Leader's compound (Deng Xiaoping) and to swiftly put down, by force if necessary, any troops attempting a mutiny.

Explosion

With so much tension and confusion all around, a single spark would ignite this powder keg. From late April and early May "students" were already attempting to bait PLA troops into opening fire by attacking them with rocks and bottles, but the troops wouldn't fire. However, the incident, which is NEVER shown in Western media, occurred when a "student" threw a bottle at a soldier, except this bottle was filled with gasoline and ignited, burning that soldier alive. From then on these conscript soldiers acted the only way they were trained to, which was to fight back with deadly force.

Improperly trained for such a mission, these conscript soldiers believed they were now at war and acted as such. Li's troops would target the student "leaders," the ones they felt were responsable for attacking them. Their instinct was to kill and punish those that killed their platoon mates, and one of those shameful consequences was the crushing of some students by tanks. And Zhao's troops would fire back at these troops; caught in the crossfire were many civilians and the elements of the 15th Airborne, who would fire on both troops and some dying of course.

Aftermath

Precise figures of dead or wounded are still not known to this day, with estimates ranging in the hundreds to the thousands. What was immediately known was that the country was briefly at civil war and heads had to roll.

Zhao Ziyang was considered most responsable for inflaming the situation in the first place and he was therefore dismissed as Prime Minister and placed under lifetime house arrest. Li Peng received credit for being "correct" about the plot against China and thus escaped much of the punishment. However, he was never allowed to have a high influence in government again; despite being Prime Minister, he was clearly a "lame duck" until Jiang Zemin was ready to be leader and Zhu Rongji to be Prime Minister.

Deng Xiaoping personally oversaw investigations into corruption, with many senior PLA and government officials arrested and some senior bureaucrats executed. Deng also groomed Hu Jintao to eventually become Paramount Leader and entrusted him to carry out further reforms. And, of course, Deng oversaw the specialised training for Hong Kong garrisson forces from the PLA that would be trained for non-lethal riot control. Unfortunately, Deng died in early 1997, just before he could witness this special force go into Hong Kong.
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I hope you take the time to read this and realise that the PLA, overall, does not take joy in killing its own people. And thanks for reading.

 
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Re: Tragedy at Tiananmen Square

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February 6 2004, 5:15 PM 

I take it everybody agrees with my telling of the events?

 
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February 6 2004, 8:03 PM 

interesting version to say the least. have no reason to doubt you thanks for the thread it was nice of you to post it.

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June 3 2004, 5:41 PM 

Since it is the anniversery of the tragedy at Tiananmen Square, I felt I should bump up my mini-essay on the events.

May the victims RIP.


 
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June 3 2004, 5:43 PM 

I can agree with everything you say but I have trouble with the forigen influances

I think it was a Chinese event, in respose to Chinese problems and with Chinese people

 

but you right RIP





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June 3 2004, 5:47 PM 

Yes, every 4th June keep 1 minute in silence to pray for those young students who died for their dreams and those soldiers who followed order to guard the Country.


It is a tragedy, no one who loves China would like that to happen, only those who hate China would like to see it happened and want it to happen again.







 
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June 3 2004, 5:55 PM 

Why the interest by the CIA? The Berlin Wall came crashing down

That's not right. Beilin Wall came down much later after the Chinese student's Protest and the tradegy in TianAnMen Square.






 
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June 3 2004, 6:18 PM 

That's not right. Beilin Wall came down much later after the Chinese student's Protest and the tradegy in TianAnMen Square.

The entire Berlin wall officially came down in 9 November 1989, but sections of it were already, essentially, broken down.  It's fall was imminent and it was clearly in the West's interests to make all the dominoes tumble down in Asia as well.


 
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June 3 2004, 6:26 PM 

Again western conspiracy?

It was much more simple then U think.
Young brave Chinese students protest for democratic reforms.
The "elected leaders" of China think different.
The outcome is ~1000 students dead.

Very simple!!!




 
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June 3 2004, 6:26 PM 

Before 6.4, only Poland was losing position.

All other E.European nations went down after 6.4 happened in China.

But of course water does not become ICE in one second, America must have been planning (co-operating) the CARD for long time.






 
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June 4 2004, 9:06 AM 

It was much more simple then U think.

And what makes you such an expert on the matter?  I will have you know that my compilation of facts was based primarily on eye witness accounts.  I had family, friends and professors that were there.


 
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June 4 2004, 11:03 AM 

You can count me in. I am there too personally as a junior high school student with my school within a couple of km of Tian An Men Square.

It is simply absurd to assume that the West had no hand in this matter, but how much it is the spontaneous will of the people on strike and how much the West (US & UK) did stir up and fund certain factions of the strike is unknown. But it is plain obvious that the majority of Chinese was calling for changing at the time.

Like HBN put it, it was a tragety for both the students and the soldiers killed, burned by the mob. However, the decision to avert the destablization of the country is entirely correct, although the situation was not completely getting out of hand; there was no revolt, no looting, no social unrest anywhere and the situation could have been settled in a more peaceful manner. Of course, one can't discount the fact that one of the reasons that the government went in was to preserve communist hegemony over the country for any negotiation will lead to the inevitable loss of some power by the CCP.

RIP

May God Bless China!

 
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June 4 2004, 2:23 PM 

one of the reasons that the government went in was to preserve communist hegemony over the country...

I would have to say it is more fundamental than that.  Not even a democratic government would/could/should tolerate any attempted coup d'état or mass disorder/anarchy in the capital city.  The similar circumstances would not have been tolerated for 2+ months in London, Washington, Paris, Brussels, etc.  The only major difference between Western and Chinese authorities would have been the methods to disperse the crowds.  Just like the West, if Chinese police had water cannon trucks and specialised riot police with tear gas, the crowds would have been dispersed long before the situation got out of hand.


 
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June 4 2004, 6:58 PM 

From another Chinese forumer:

I was watching BBC newsnight, and they did a documentry on China about 6/4 tianamen protest, they said that the Chinese goverment Massacred the students, and made no mention on the student's violence towards the PLA nor the mystry of where did the protesters got their funding, and wat the protest leaders were like, and that the Chinese goverment now are apleasing the country by making them rich!
the newsnight presenter said that the chinese goverment's only legitimacy to rule china is by economic sucess, they say that the chinese goverment adopts a rule of "stand against us and we will crush u, work beside us and we will make u rich", i found that very offensive the BBC is still in the cold war symdrom, they are like the americans helping to stir anti-chinese goverment feeling, not long ago did they comment on the dala lama visit to the UK and how Blair's refusal to see him was a disgrace to the nation.
Can anyone give me a comment on what they think about this?







 
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