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do you think the placing of japanese citizens in prison camps was justified during ww2?

February 15 2004 at 5:20 PM
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Japanese American Internment
Santa Clara Valley

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During World War II, approximately 110,000 Japanese Americans were evacuated from their homes and businesses to internment camps scattered throughout the interior of the United States. Executive Order 9066, signed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in February of 1942, ordered that all Japanese Americans be evacuated from the West Coast. This order was carried out quickly, as Japanese Americans from all of California, Arizona, Oregon and Washington, sold what they could not carry and boarded trains to 16 assembly centers. There they would live in temporary housing for much of the spring and summer of 1942 until permanent camps were built. These permanent internment camps were constructed in rural areas where life was made more difficult by the harsh temperatures and desert and swamp-like environments. The barracks where the Japanese Americans would have to live were hastily built without consideration for the brutal climate or the need for privacy. In these conditions, surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards, the Japanese Americans would live until the end of the war approximately 3 years later.

This exhibit, on permanent display at the Japanese American Resource Center in San Jose, California's Japantown, depicts the internment camp life of the many local Santa Clara Valley Japanese Americans who were interned. This exhibit, not only displays some of the difficulties they experienced, but also the Japanese Americans' efforts to recreate some part of the life they had left behind.

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Re: do you think the placing of japanese citizens in prison camps was justified during ww2?

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February 15 2004, 5:59 PM 

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February 15 2004, 6:38 PM 

Hell NO,

Thats one of the black days in the american History along with the indian genocide,and slavery 


 
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February 15 2004, 9:18 PM 

Yes,in love and war all is justified and after the Pearl Harbour attack...very justified,of course.

 
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February 15 2004, 11:21 PM 

No, the vast majority of these people were patriotic Americans. Interestingly enough, the most decorated unit in US Army history was the 442nd Infantry Regiment during WW2. It was comprised almost entirely of nise and sansei (2nd and 3rd generation Japanese-Americans) from Hawaii and the West Coast. (most of the officers were white) Many of those recruited on the West Coast had been in relocation camps, or had family members there.







The American Marine Division has the highest combat effectiveness in the American armed forces. It seems not enough for our four divisions to surround and annihilate its two regiments.

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History of the 442nd

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February 15 2004, 11:24 PM 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/100-442in.htm

100th Battalion, 442nd Infantry

It is important to recognize the contributions of the Japanese Americans who served in the U.S. Army's 100th Battalion and 442nd Combat Infantry group. History speaks for itself in documenting that none have shared their blood more valiantly for America than the Japanese Americans who served in these units while fighting enemy forces in Europe during World War II. The records of the 100th Battalion and 442nd Infantry are without equal.

Because young Japanese men of the second generation [nisei] were often eager to fight against the Axis Powers Japanese-American units were created in the Army. In order to eliminate the confusion that might arise in the Pacific, the nisei units were to be employed only in the Mediterranean and European theaters of operation. The 442nd Infantry Regiment was the largest nisei unit. Fighting in Italy and southern France, the unit was known for its bravery and determination, as reflected by the unit motto, "Go for broke!"

The first all-Japanese American Nisei military unit was the 100th Battalion, which was the designation for the unit which was formed from the Japanese Americans who comprised a large part of the Hawaiian National Guard. These Nisei were sent to Camp McCoy, Wisconsin for combat training and later were moved to Camp Shelby, Mississippi for additional training. They adopted the phrase "Remember Pearl Harbor" as their motto.

In 1943, the War Department in need of manpower reverse itself and sent recruiters to the relocation camps asking for volunteers to form a new Japanese American combat unit the 442nd Regimental Combat Team. Volunteers were also accepted from Hawaii where 12,500 men had volunteered. The Nisei volunteers were combined with Japanese Americans still in the military and were sent to Camp Shelby, Mississippi for combat training.

At Camp Shelby, they were formed into the 442nd Infantry Regiment, consisting of three battalions plus support companies, the 522nd Artillery Battalion and the 232nd Combat Engineers. The unit designation was the 442nd Regimental Combat Team and most of its officers were Caucasians. The 442nd chose "Go For Broke", a Hawaiian slang term from the dice game craps. "Go For Broke" meant to risk everything, give everything you have--all or nothing!

While the 442nd was being formed and trained, the 1,432 men of the 100th battalion had entered combat in Italy, September 26, 1943. The Italian campaign bloodied the 100th battalion and it suffered heavy casualties earning it the nickname "Purple Heart Battalion" as it was depleted down to 521 men by 1944. Replacements came from men who had finished training with the 442nd at Camp Shelby.

On June 2, 1944 the 442nd had landed at Naples and pushed to the Anzio beaches. On June 15th the 100th Battalion and the 442nd were merged into a single unit. The 100th battalion became the first battalion of the 442nd because the original first battalion of the 442nd had been used for replacements for the 100th. They were attached to the 133rd Regiment in the 34th Division.

After heavy fighting at Belvedere, Luciana, and Livorno, the 442nd was pulled back for a rest and was presented with a Presidential Unit Citation. After fighting at the Arno River in August, 1944, the 442nd moved to France for an attack in the Vosages Mountains. While in France, the 442nd was detached from the 34th Division and attached to the 36th Division of the Seventh Army. Given the assignment to capture the town of Bruyeres, the 442nd fought a bitter house to house battle and captured over 200 German soldiers.

Their bloodiest battle occured during their rescue of the "Lost Battalion". The First Battalion of the 36th Division had been given the assignment to clear a ridge deep in the Vosages, but had been cut-off by the Germans. The battalion, the 1st Battalion, 141st Infantry Regiment (a former Texas National Guard unit), had been cut off since October 24,1944. The other two battalions of the 141st were unable to break through. The 100th /442nd, was ordered to rescue the Lost Battalion in a real-life "Saving Private Ryan" mission (More men were lost in the 100th/442nd in the rescue operation than there were to save in the 1st of the 141st.).

The 2nd Battalion jumped off at 0300 on the 26th. Before dawn on the 27th, the 100th and 3rd Battalions were called in, too. Fire support came from the 522nd FA Battalion. Enemy resistance was fierce; captured German prisoners revealed that orders from Hitler were to prevent any relief of the trapped battalion. The soldiers of the 100th/442nd fought in dense woods and heavy fog in freezing temperatures. Late in the afternoon of October 30, scouts from the Lost Battalion spotted soldiers in olive-drab uniforms and with Japanese faces approaching and knew the 442nd had broken through.

In five days and nights of continuous combat, the 100th/442nd RCT had suffered more than 800 casualties. In the 3rd Battalion, Company K had 17 riflemen left and Company I had eight riflemen left. Sergeants commanded both companies; all the officers had been killed or wounded. The 2,000 men on the casualty list included 140 killed.

In spring, 1945, the 442nd was sent back to Italy. The 442nd was made part of the U.S. 92nd Infantry Division, which also included the all-African American 370th Infantry and the all-white 473rd Infantry. 1 Mounting a diversionary attack in the Appenine Mountains, the 442nd took their assigned objectives cracking ther German defensive line. By May 2, 1945 the war was over in Italy.

These Japanese American units suffered an unprecedented casualty rate of 314 percent and received over 18,000 individual decorations. Many were awarded after their deaths for bravery and courage in the field of battle. Among the decorations received by the 100th/442nd soldiers were one Medal of Honor, 52 Distinguished Service Crosses, 560 Silver Stars, 28 Oak Leaf Clusters to the Silver Star, 4,000 Bronze Stars and 1,200 Oak Leaf Clusters to the Bronze Star and, perhaps most telling of the sacrifices made by these gallant soldiers, 9,486 Purple Hearts. The 442nd Combat Infantry group emerged as the most decorated combat unit of its size in the history of the United States Army. For its service in eight major campaigns in Italy and France, the 100th Battalion and 442nd Regimental Combat Team earned eight Presidential Unit Citations.

Second Lt. Daniel K. Inouye, who received a battlefield commission in November 1944, was one of those brave men. On April 21, 1945, while leading his platoon in an attack on enemy positions on Mount Musatello in Italy, Lieutenant Inouye was wounded in the right arm by an enemy grenade and in the right leg by another bullet. For his bravery in leading the attack while wounded, Lieutenant Inouye received the Distinguished Service Cross. His arm proved to be more seriously wounded than first realized and required amputation. Inouye was promoted to captain but not released from the hospital until February 1947.

President Truman was so moved by their bravery in the field of battle, as well as that of African American soldiers during World War II, that he issued an American order to desegregate the Armed Forces.

Although their impeccable service earned the 442nd the respect of their fellow soldiers, they were not perceived in the same way by American society when they returned to the West Coast. It is a shameful legacy in the history of the country that when the patriotic survivors of the 100th Battalion 442nd Infantry returned to the United States, many were reunited with their parents, their brothers, and their sisters who were locked up behind barbed wire fences living in concentration camps. Immediately following their return, the 442nd realized that the attitudes of many Americans had not changed. World War II veterans of Japanese ancestry were welcomed home by signs that read, "No Japs Allowed," and "No Japs Wanted." In many cases, veterans were denied service in local shops and restaurants, and their homes and property were often vandalized or set on fire.

Following post-war occupation duty in Italy, the soldiers of the 100th/442nd -- who had once been suspected of disloyalty because of their Japanese ancestry -- came home as heroes in the summer of 1946. President Harry Truman, in a ceremony on the Ellipse in Washington on July 15, 1946, personally pinned the 100th/442nd's seventh Presidential Unit Citation on the unit's colors. A month later, the 100th/442nd was inactivated in Honolulu, Hawaii.

In 1947, the 100th/442nd was reactivated in Hawaii as an Organized Reserve unit.

On June 21, 2000, twenty-two Asian Pacific American U.S. Army World War II veterans (or their surviving family members for those deceased) received the nation's highest decoration for valor, the Medal of Honor. This action corrected their not receiving these decorations in World War II, when the prejudice of the time kept them from receiving their just recognition then. Twenty of the 22 recipients were members of the 100th Infantry Battalion or the 442nd Regimental Combat Team. This unit (The 100th was attached to the 442nd in June 1944 and fought as the 442nd's first battalion for the rest of the war.) was already considered the most highly decorated unit of its size in U.S. military history. The June 21 ceremony added a new statistic to the 100th/442nd's history: it has 21 Medal of Honor recipients on its roles, the 20 now added to its one earlier recipient.

The American Marine Division has the highest combat effectiveness in the American armed forces. It seems not enough for our four divisions to surround and annihilate its two regiments.

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Re: do you think the placing of japanese citizens in prison camps was justified during ww2?

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February 15 2004, 11:59 PM 

well in a way i think it is justifed because the japanese slaughted and murdered millions people in China,singapore,Thailand and all over Aisa.

And believe me it was bloody brutal

the japanese must compensate for this madness

 
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February 16 2004, 12:01 AM 

Operation 12,

You do realize that these people had nothing to do with those atrocities right? In fact most of them were born in the United States.

The American Marine Division has the highest combat effectiveness in the American armed forces. It seems not enough for our four divisions to surround and annihilate its two regiments.

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February 16 2004, 4:54 AM 

To: Gyrene

do these japanese hold US passports?


    
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February 16 2004, 5:04 AM 

If they are citizens they don't need passports, of which the vast majority were.

The American Marine Division has the highest combat effectiveness in the American armed forces. It seems not enough for our four divisions to surround and annihilate its two regiments.

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February 16 2004, 6:11 AM 

Yes,

the US had little choice,couldnt take any chances....

Not like any of the jap/americans died.

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February 16 2004, 6:25 AM 

well if those japanese had japanese passport than that means they are being represented by the japanese imperial government and because they are being represented by the japanese government i say throw them in the camps.

After all the japanese did murder millions of our people so there for we must hit them back.

 
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February 16 2004, 11:54 AM 

My personal feelings aside, I must say it was justified at the time because the Japanese assault on Pearl Harbour was a sneak attack, a "sucker punch" if you will. Furthermore, it was said that a Japanese posing as a Hawaii resident was conducting espionage for the Japanese forces prior to the assault.

 
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February 16 2004, 12:37 PM 

Just a question for those who support the detention:

Would the US be justified today in placing all Arab-Americans, or Muslim Americans in detention camps?

The American Marine Division has the highest combat effectiveness in the American armed forces. It seems not enough for our four divisions to surround and annihilate its two regiments.

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February 16 2004, 1:05 PM 

« Would the US be justified today in placing all Arab-Americans, or Muslim Americans in detention camps? »

From a realist/Realpolitik perspective, yes given the conniving nature of suicide bombers. It would remove a place where a suicide bomber could hide and it would also protect Moslem Americans from assault by non-Moslem persons. Remember the Sikhs that were attacked shortly after 9/11, just because they were "similar" to the Taliban?

 
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February 16 2004, 1:10 PM 

''Just a question for those who support the detention:

Would the US be justified today in placing all Arab-Americans, or Muslim Americans in detention camps?'

If US mainland was attacked again(like 9'11) detaining Arab-Americans, or Muslim Americans would stop ALL attacks.



remember , the USA was at war with japan at the time.

Quite sure most germans liing in britain were locked up or repatriated to germany.








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February 16 2004, 1:31 PM 



The Japanese incident at that height of the Pearl harbour situation may have been neccessary but I believe on ahamn side also possibly wrong.
Given the circumstances the reactions were understandable.
Currently however, If all Arabs/Muslim Americans were to be "Imprisoned' in such a way, especially in this day and age, it would be wrong and dangerous.
Many of them (most) are respectable citizens who have started new lives for themselves and businesses.
It could seriously damage their lives and/or reputations.
And especially nowadays if such an act was taken at hand, it would anger even the Mulim/Arab allies of the Us and therefore destory any support for US.
It also opens up possibilities for more terrorist attacks, not less.
Reminds of the Movie, The Siege with Denzel washington...I believe they collected all American Arabs/Mulsims and kept them in Camps...
It also goes against their rights as American citizens without discrimination by way of the constitution.
They may be of Arab descent, or muslims, but they are still Americans and group classifying and taking action against them in this manner would be wrong.


Picture this.
Japan or Germany both of which have Americans living there with families. Many with possible citizeship of the host country as well.
Now If terrorist attacks begin or hostilities beginn between the nation and the Us, and they round up ALL the Americans and their families and kept them in camps, would this be acceptable?

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February 16 2004, 2:14 PM 

at times of war our goverments have to take drastic action,what seems bad now was nessecary back then.

Nowadays if america was in serious trouble or under serious threat from say a muslim 'coalition'(lol sorry couldnt think of a better word). Locking up all american muslims would be an important part of americas defense.

Ofcourse they would eventually release the genuine americans and those that would fight for the USA ,not islam.

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