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February 24 2004 at 2:05 PM
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France's Alstom becomes front runner in railway bidding

www.chinaview.cn 2004-02-24 15:28:46

BEIJING, Feb. 24 (Xinhuanet) -- France's Alstom has apparently become the front runner in the competition to construct the US$12-billion, high-speed Beijing-Shanghai railway.

It will be some time, however, before the winner is announced.

Compared with its competitors, the French company is stronger in terms of technology and political contacts, railway expert Jia Huijuan told China Business Weekly.

Jia is a professor at Beijing Jiaotong University, the nation's top post-secondary railway technology school. She has also edited several books on high-speed railways.

But Alstom's advantages might not translate into a construction deal, said Qiu Yuanlun, director of the Institute of European Studies under the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS).

"President Hu Jintao said last month during his visit to France that 'we welcome French companies to participate in China's economic development through competition'," Qiu added.

"This is evidence the Chinese Government has not yet selected Alstom ... to do the project."

Earlier this month, Hong Kong-based newspaper Ta Kung Pao reported China had decided to use the French TGV technology - owned and operated by Alstom - for the planned 1,300-kilometre, high-speed railway between Beijing and Shanghai.

Officials with China's Ministry of Railways have denied that report. They said any decision will be made through a fair and open international bidding process.

The call for tenders is expected to take place in the year's second half.

Alstom denied the report. "No contract has been signed," a spokeswoman with the French company said last week when contacted in Paris.

Jia said the newspaper's report reflected the opinions - which are becoming increasingly prevalent - of several railway experts and officials.

Decision still pending

The high-speed railway will shorten the travelling time - from 13 hours to less than five hours - between Beijing, China's capital, and Shanghai, the nation's financial hub.

Alstom and companies from Germany, headed by Siemens, and Japan, headed by Mitsubishi Heavy Industry, are vying to build the high-speed railway.

The German consortium, which began operating a maglev line in Shanghai in 2002, had appeared to be the front runner until trials of the maglev line were suspended last year after technical errors were detected.

The maglev line resumed operations last November, but, last month, media reported the State Council, China's cabinet, ruled out the possibility of using the maglev technology for the Beijing-Shanghai line.

The Chinese Government neither confirmed nor denied the report.

Experts suggested the extremely high costs - which have prevented the worldwide adoption of the maglev technology - have surpassed the project's anticipated costs.

Experts estimate it will cost between US$36 million and US$48 million per half mile, twice the cost of a traditional rail line, to construct a maglev line between Beijing and Shanghai.

Among builders of traditional railways, Alstom's TGV has led its Japanese and German counterparts, in terms of technology and safety, Jia told China Business Weekly.

The first TGV in France was put into operation in 1981.

Sources with Alstom's Beijing branch said the French company has mastered the 300-kilometre-per-hour technology.

The high-speed train has run safely for 2 billion kilometres.

Although its actual service life is shorter than that of Japan's shinkansen technology, TGV can travel 300 kph (kilometre per hour), faster than any other high-speed train in the world.

Alstom is also willing to transfer the high-speed train technology to China, and to set up joint ventures in China to produce high-speed trains, company sources said.

Germany's high-speed wheel-track lines, the ICE-3 series, were put into commercial operation only in 1999.

However, ICE's technologies are not as mature as TGV, Jia said.

The German consortium mainly promoted the maglev technology, and that has reduced, substantially, its chances of winning the contract to build the wheel-track high-speed line, experts said.

But Japan's shinkansen is presenting a strong challenge to the TGV technology.

The construction and operational costs of the shinkansen would likely be lower than those of the TGV, and the Japanese firms operating the high-speed railway are highly profitable, Jia said.

The Japanese companies have another advantage: China's quasi, high-speed railway - with an average speed of 200 kph - between Shenyang, in Northeast China's Liaoning Province, and Qinhuangdao, in Hebei Province, was built mainly with Japanese technologies.

The line has widely been viewed as a trial for future high-speed railways in China.

The Japanese Government has aggressively supported its companies' efforts to build a shinkansen line in China.

Several Japanese ministers, including a former prime minister, have visited China since last year to promote Japan's technology.

The Japanese Government also promised to offer low-interest loans to China if the Japanese firms won the contract.

But Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's decision to visit the Yasakuni Shrine, in which memorial tablets of Japan's war criminals are kept, has caused Chinese leaders to think twice about awarding the contract to Japanese firms, Zhang Shuying, an economist with the Institute of Japan Studies, told China Business Weekly.

The repeated visits to China by Japanese ministers might be a waste of time given Koizumi's visit to the Yasukuni Shrine, Zhang added.

Qiu agrees.

Political relations between nations certainly play an important role in a nation's decision to award billions of dollars in contracts, Qiu said.

During his state visit to France late last month, Chinese President Hu Jintao and his French counterpart, Jacques Chirac, signed a joint declaration that pledged to deepen the comprehensive strategic partnership between the two countries.

But the warmer relations between China and France does not ensure Alstom will win the deal, said Qiu.


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-02/24/content_1329288.htm



 
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February 24 2004, 2:06 PM 

In another words, being China's enemy, we will PUCK you one day, badly.






    
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February 24 2004, 2:43 PM 

Please edit out the F-word, there is no need for its use here.

Otherwise I would go with the French TGV because it would broaden China's technology base and I would not want to give any benefits to Japan. Historical reasons aside, the Japanese proposal is far inferior.

 
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February 24 2004, 3:41 PM 

The process of first PUCKING japs is just beginning.

We are getting more and more stronger each day, world belongs to us and our allies.



 
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February 24 2004, 4:14 PM 

In this case China are duing a good job ;or better explaining:Duing goods railways is very good to China;modens railways is a good way for progess in a country with a great land like China;but if you need to do manies roads to for the cars industry can sale manies car to the Chino's and get more progress with this two transports kind.

 
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February 24 2004, 4:45 PM 

Thanks Paje.

China has built great highways and railways, and is still building a lot of them every day.

Chinese infrastructure is getting more and more better.

Still, there is a long way to go to the level of USA.
But we are working on this, hardly.



 
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February 24 2004, 5:04 PM 

@Paje:

China cannot use cars the way North America does because it would produce too much pollution, oil costs would be huge and maintaining the roads would be too expensive.

Getting the French TGV would allow China to have more technology; we already have the German maglev and getting TGV would give us a different technology.

 
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February 24 2004, 5:16 PM 

@Diunei,

After 30 years I think the pratical electrical cars are a common practice then.

So the pollusion thing can basically be ignored.



 
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February 24 2004, 5:56 PM 

Yes,in some years we can have much more goods electric car and sun powers too and hidrogen moved.In Brazil we have some goods free-ways and goods roads too,we have thousands of km roads;but,unfortunaly,our railway sistem is very little this days and we have only few km in it,maybe in a futur,like Brazil is the country of futur or in a futur will be a new country ,I hope we get thousands of railwais km with the best modern like you Chineses will get and do with France,Germany ,Japan or another good like,like any color cat if he get the rat or mouse;best regards,greatings from Rio.

 
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February 24 2004, 5:59 PM 

Paje,

Brazil being a big country surely will play a much bigger role in S.America and the whole world.

As long as you get a good government and people are willing to work hard, you will be on TOP soon or later.





 
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February 24 2004, 6:54 PM 

True, hydrogen fuel cells are not far away, the technology already exists, it just needs to be refined. Nevertheless, the maintenance for roads and construction are very large, so you cannot afford to have 1 billion cars on Chinese roads, it's simply not practical!

 
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February 24 2004, 7:22 PM 

Yes Diunei and we arent talkink about 1bilion cars but some like 50 000 000 was good (between ttrucks ,bus ,car,pick-up) motocicle you can get some like 100 000 000 .

 
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