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Kurdish rebels to end Turkey truce

May 29 2004 at 9:06 AM
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Kurdish rebels to end Turkey truce

 

Turkish troops face the prospect of a renewed separatist conflict

 
 

Separatist Kurdish guerrillas have declared an end to their five-year ceasefire with Turkey, a news agency close to the rebels says.

The declaration by the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) on Friday comes after a spate of recent violence in which at least 20 people have died.

"The ceasefire will end on 1 June," said a statement from the PKK leadership, based in northern Iraq.
 
"The ceasefire's political and military meaning has been lost with the Turkish state's destructive operations over the last three months," said the statement, carried by the Europe-based Mezopotamya agency, a mouthpiece for the rebels.
 
"(The PKK) is warning foreign investors and tourists that with the end of the ceasefire, Turkey has become a risky country for economic investment and tourism," the statement said.

The PKK took up arms against Turkey in 1984 in a bloody campaign to carve out an ethnic homeland in the country's mainly Kurdish southeast.

More than 30,000 people, mainly Kurds, died in the conflict, but the violence fell off sharply with the 1999 capture and imprisonment of PKK commander Abdullah Ocalan.

International repercussions

A resurgence in violence could inflame tensions with neighbouring Iraq, where most PKK fighters are based.

Washington has urged Turkey not to intervene next door as US forces struggle to stabilise the Arab country.

The EU has often criticised the
treatment of Kurds in Turkey

It could also complicate relations with the European Union, which Turkey wants to join. EU members were critical of Turkey's treatment of Kurds in the 1980s and 1990s, accusing Turkish authorities of torture and other abuses.

The PKK threatened to end its unilateral ceasefire, announced in 1998, as recently as last September, then extended its truce.

Turkey has always refused to negotiate with the guerrillas, rejecting the ceasefire as a ruse.

Bloody clashes
 
This month has been the southeast's bloodiest in years, with at least 12 PKK fighters and eight security personnel killed.

A PKK fighter was killed on Friday in the remote mountains of Sirnak province, which borders Iraq, after a gun battle with security forces, a security official said.
 
In the southern city of Adana, which has been spared much of the violence seen in the southeast, police exchanged fire on Friday with three suspected PKK members, wounding two of them, Cihan news agency said.

Ankara has accused its close NATO ally the United States of not doing enough to stamp out the PKK's strongholds in northern Iraq.

Turkey keeps thousands of soldiers along the northern Iraqi border to pursue some 5000 rebels in mountain camps there.

 

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/5DF4DF3C-F67B-4EE7-B5B0-6BFB02E6CBF4.htm



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May 29 2004, 9:22 AM 

Well that is bad news for peace.

This could have bad consequences for Turkey, Greece and neighbouring countries to Turkey. Why? I will explain in a minute.

This is bad for Turkey because Turkish tourism has reached record levels during this 5 year cease fire. Turkey never really accepted a truce because of her stance that she will never negotiate with terrorists. Nevertheless, it will hurt tourism. How much or how little? Time will tell.

I believe that this move by the terrorist PKK has been made purely to hurt Turkish tourism revenue's and to try to harm Turkey;s EU bid.

This move is both smart and stupid by the PKK.

Smart because if it pushes Turkey over the edge, Turkey could fight so hard that it will piss the EU off and find itself isolated after deflating their ties with Israel and the US. By hurting your ties with Israel, Turkey also hurts its ties with the powerful jewish lobby in the US which comes in to bat for Turkey on issues like the so-called armenian genocide.

Stupid because this is a perfect excuse for Turkey to enter Northern Iraq to fight PKK terrorists in the war on terror. If the US, UK and its allies can enter Iraq to fight the war on terror, why cant Turkey? Great excuse to kill off and disband the 5000 or so PKK terrorists holed up in Northern Iraq.

As I was saying in the beginning, it will also be bad news for greece and neighbouring countries. Why? Because Turkey's defense expenditure was at its peak when it was fighting the PKK. In a time when Turkey has reduced its defense spending, this end to the PKK terrorist truce will renew huge military purchases again. This is bad news for greece and neighbouring countries. More weapons for Turkey means an even bigger threat.

There are obviously more political implications to this issue but I wont get into all of them now.

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May 29 2004, 9:40 AM 

Because Turkey's defense expenditure was at its peak when it was fighting the PKK. In a time when Turkey has reduced its defense spending, this end to the PKK terrorist truce will renew huge military purchases again. This is bad news for greece and neighbouring countries. More weapons for Turkey means an even bigger threat.

 

Well PKK has nothing to do with more weapons for turkey...

Unless Turkey needs more weapons to fight few Freedom Fighters few thousands of poeple....

Do they Need more F-16 to fight them...or buy new MBT .... and Submarines and few more Corvettes....or Anti-Air Missiles...

I think with the current inventory Turkey can fight them anyway....This is a guerrila war, 

Main weapons were bought to be used against neighbouring countries.....and self defense....

unless you are trying to say that 5,000 Freedom Fighters will cause rise in your military budget by billions of dollars,....



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May 29 2004, 10:03 AM 

Illiria - You make me laugh every time you say something.

Do they Need more F-16 to fight them...or buy new MBT .... and Submarines and few more Corvettes....or Anti-Air Missiles...

Submarines? Corvettes? anti-air missiles?

Are you on drugs? Im talking about helicopter purchases, more tank upgrades, new tanks!

Do we need tanks? Hell yes! When fighting a war with fighters on the ground, you need these weapons to minimise losses for yourself. Look at the US and UK. Its fighting Iraqi militia groups with AH-64D's, F-16's etc. State of the art weaponry.

Turkey will DEFINATELY increase defense spending.

You make it sound like 5000 terrorists are nothing. Let me tell you, fighting 5000 fighters hiding in mountains which they know very well is hard stuff. The US couldnt eliminate the taliban and al-qaeda from afghanistan yet with all this mdoern equipment.

But you think that you dont need weapons. LoL

You moderate this forum? With what knowledge?





 
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May 29 2004, 6:37 PM 

You moderate this forum? With what knowledge?

 

Too bad for you i have alot of knowledge about your country....that i can respond to your nationalistic articles.....therefore that doesnt please you

Anyway my point is that you guys will purchase things that you really need anyway...you already have many Appaches Squadrons which United States gave you and you guys are using them mainly against the Kurds.....its not like its gonne make a difference using your 50 AH64 or using 500,,its not like you gonne use all of them against the Kurds...  

And just seethat the Turrkish Military Budget will not change because of the Kurds..U guys finally understood that having a terrible economy while strengthening your military is not the way to go, and you will use those Billions of Dollars for economical reasons, improve economy, and a better economy will make a stronger military. 



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May 29 2004, 7:00 PM 

Kurds should establish a country, they have a very big population.

If they don't have a country, they will continue to fight for this, it means a lot of trouble for the involved countries (Turkey, Iran, Iraq etc).






 
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May 30 2004, 6:08 AM 

Anyway my point is that you guys will purchase things that you really need anyway...you already have many Appaches Squadrons which United States gave you and you guys are using them mainly against the Kurds.....its not like its gonne make a difference using your 50 AH64 or using 500,,its not like you gonne use all of them against the Kurds...

What? Turkey has 50 AH64 Apache's that the US gave to us? You dont have any idea! Turkey does NOT have any Apache's. We have Cobra's. AH-1P/W Super Cobra's.

You know fu*ck all about Turkey. Shut up before you make a fool of yourself evenmore.

Mike - This guy is a moderator? Turkey has apache's?

Yeah and Yemen has Challenger tanks, Burkino Faso has S-400 missiles and Chad has the JSF!





 
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May 30 2004, 6:57 AM 

HBN i never agreed more with you on this issue...Kurds number more than 15 Million poeple in Turkey, the Hugest minority in the world without a Nation and they still dont have their own country, KURDISTAN.

I forgot someone again will come to say that maybe they dont even exist in Turkey, and this is all a propaganda, and they number those 5,000 rebels who are actually illegal gypsies .....as Kurdish, and question my moderation....

   

Mundine, some things never change.....

Mike should fire me because it is unacceptable for a moderator to get confused on the kind of helicopters Turkey purchased....how dare i said 50 Apaches, while it was Cobra...

Mundine let me tell you something,,, I will never forgive myself

   

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May 30 2004, 8:32 PM 

Illiria, tyhats not the only thing. Turkey didnt buy 50 either!





 
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May 31 2004, 12:26 AM 

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