But it was the west that drew those borders in the first place... so we are at fault.
Africa, by no means, would have been some kind of PARADISE if we never had touched it... but it would have been better off than it is.
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"Now, while still pursuing the method of realising our overall strategic concept, I come to the crux of what I have travelled here to say. Neither the sure prevention of war, nor the continuous rise of world organisation will be gained without what I have called the fraternal association of the English-speaking peoples. This means a special relationship between the British Commonwealth and Empire and the United States. Thus, whatever happens, and thus only, shall we be secure ourselves and able to work together for the high and simple causes that are dear to us and bode no ill to any. Eventually there may come—I feel eventually there will come—the principle of common citizenship, but that we may be content to leave to destiny, whose outstretched arm many of us can already clearly see.
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Some people in this forum only write bias about Africa and use the situation in Africa to blame Western nations.
Id love to see you point some people out, can you name anyone?
Seeing the west chop up Africa into little parcels, decimating populations for the slave trade... lol... i would love to see a westerner chained up to a post in Cuba with a lioncloth. Payback. that is why we chiense do not get involved, we stay neutral, good friends with everyone.
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Some people in this forum only write bias about Africa and use the situation in Africa to blame Western nations.
Id love to see you point some people out, can you name anyone?
Seeing the west chop up Africa into little parcels, decimating populations for the slave trade... lol... i would love to see a westerner chained up to a post in Cuba with a lioncloth. Payback. that is why we chiense do not get involved, we stay neutral, good friends with everyone.
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"that is why we chiense do not get involved, we stay neutral, good friends with everyone."
China has mostly made good decisions in foreign policy in the last 3-4 decades. But your policy in Tibet is a mistake. You should admit it and change the policy. It's no shame to make a mistake. But you should try and correct it when you realize you're in error.
E Tan, E Epi Tas!
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We are never really wrong wrt to Tibet. It is a Chinese territory and will be. Tibet is a peaceful place, unlike the other hot spots of the world: chechnia, kashmir, northern ireland, cyprus. We have been very successful in improving Tibetans' standard of living. As a result, the Dalai Lama himself has claimed that he has given up tibentan independence. So I think the rest of the world should move on with the tibet issue and upgrade yourselves on the situation.
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The west has done some damage but the Africans can at least rise up and do their best to try and repair the damage. Instead of fighting civil wars and such.
If there was no Western input into Africa it would not be better it would be worse.
Besides I dont exactly like how they brought over AIDS to North America.
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who told you they brought AIDS to north america. For all we know, it could very well be created by the west. Plus, I believe the africans didn't appreciate you guys bringing in slavery and bringing out their resources. YOu see, the problem is not that simple and one-dimensional.
Obviously, the US could have invaded the entire african continent and save the these "poor people" from their grief, but Iraq has more oil.
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Western Commander... you are an idiot. End of story
United We Stand.
"Now, while still pursuing the method of realising our overall strategic concept, I come to the crux of what I have travelled here to say. Neither the sure prevention of war, nor the continuous rise of world organisation will be gained without what I have called the fraternal association of the English-speaking peoples. This means a special relationship between the British Commonwealth and Empire and the United States. Thus, whatever happens, and thus only, shall we be secure ourselves and able to work together for the high and simple causes that are dear to us and bode no ill to any. Eventually there may come—I feel eventually there will come—the principle of common citizenship, but that we may be content to leave to destiny, whose outstretched arm many of us can already clearly see.
Winston Churchill
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Becasue i discuss my views on the Africans. Call my racist or whatever but i know what i know...I have relatives in South Africa. and Believe me ive seen pictures and heard their stories.
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China is powerful, but not rich; plus we didn't plunder, steal, genocide, enslave the africans. So the blame is indeed squarely on the sholders of the Europeans no less.
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You telling us to shutup becaseu you demostrated you cant argue? don't worry, we alreday know.
Again whenever you refer to Africa you only use it to blame western Nations.
That is what I don´t like. You are really interested in the African people.
If China is so powerful and rich as you always claim why don´t you support the Africans?
Most of the money for UN is still paid by the Western nations and Japan. So you ultranationalistic chinese better shut up.
When we refer to Africa, we are usually talk about the present situation. Corruption, poverty, aids. You cannot argue that most of the blame lies upon western shoulders for ruthelessly exploiting and dividing these nations. USing them as buffer states for a few hundred years does no country good, so maybe you should rethink your argument idiot.
Also, we are intrested in Africa. We want to bring africa into the 21st century. you may laugh and say china still in middle ages but we do not spit on poor people becasue we are richer. we do not destroy and take over countries becasue they are weaker, no, we help. However, you use this to your own advantage and exploit them agaiin. Africa is not your toy, Puma, and its about time you got that colonial attitude out of your head. The British have long ago abandoned it yet you seem to be living back then.
China is Not as Rich, Nor that powerful but we are willing to help in any way possible. You western nations hand money to them. agreed. we give them miliotary hardware. you say this is pointless but it isnt. lots of money donated by the west and Japan somehow siphons off into the Armys pockets. AMny have yet too see this.
Most of the money is still paid by the west and Japan, but i wouldnt use the UN as an idea for the worlds best charity. they are just an organization created to hinder developin nations like World Bank and IMF. Under the guise of "Intrest Free Loans".
So maybe you should shut up and stop writing BS and think about your next arguement.
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Britain has made many mistakes in Africa. One of the more recent was leaving some of them far too soon. With the country bled dry fighting two wars in europe, Britain was almost bankrupt and needed to contract and consolidate. It helped do that by pulling out of many colonies- many of them far too soon without leaving them the proper process of democracy, parliament etc. If we would have stayed longer then the gradual process of passing on these standards would have taken route. As it now stands the current state of many African states is poor with dictatorships rife. This is our lasting legacy. I hope the Chinese do a better job than we did.
The Western countries arent helping by subsidising their food mountains leaving many poor countries unable to sell their food and textiles onto the world markets. The WTO isnt making their life of the average African any easier either
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Everyone makes mistakes Mao..Some just make more wise mistakes.
I will admit that the British Commonwealth was a good thing but at the same time a bad thing, it created a Global Network between British Colonies and people. They did take and use the African people and their recources...
Without Britian the US/Canada/Australia/New Zealand/ and many other Colonies wouldnt be what they are today if it were not for the British.
I cannot see many other nations becoming so strong and such a great impact on the global community if it were not for the "Imperial Way"
Italy/France/Germany/UK/Holland/ and other EU Nations had colonies. most of them were productive and created travel and commerce. Without the European Interaction the world would be a total different place.
If it were not for UK's Imperial Ways.... WW1 and WW2 would be lost wars.. we would all be Germans today and the West would not be free. The Germans were strong but the British were stonger...Its only natural to want more "Personal Space" for your nation to survive in. I do not blame any nation for wanting more space...just that the space needed better have some use...
China does not interfer with Africans becasue they know Africa will be a bid-to-Highest-Bidder land by the time they relize that they are wasting time and money. If the Africans do not become one nation they are doomed to occupation in near future.
I do not bs as some may say... I speak my view and what i have learned from Relatives and Friends in South Africa.
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No HBN, I finished school recently.
from 1,0 (very good) to 4,0(bad)
I got 2,1 in my A-level.
And on Sunday I will go to America for 9 weeks to work there. I think I will not have many time to post in the next weeks.
The overhaul situation of living in Africa was better in the 1950ies and 1960ies.
Many cities in Africa have grown too large.
Very concerning for Europe is the situation in Northern Africa in Algeria, Maroc, and Egypt.
Kairo has 20.000.000 people- many of them in slums.
The same in Casablanca and Algier- millions of people jobless and poor.
We in Europe fear that one day there will be masses of immigrants coming to Europe. Honestly this has already begun. Look at southern France or southern Spain- there live already many arabs and blacks.
So we in Europe we will keep involved in Africa because Africa is our neighbor continent.
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