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June 17 2004 at 6:31 PM
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guys and gals,

 

for some reason, I have been unable to get the website submitted to google which as you know was essential for the growth of the forum. Despite my efforts and payments to traffic blaster, there are bugs and broken links that have made it difficult to get google to crawl the site. So for now the forum is stagnant and does not seem to be gaining members. I have e-mailed lunny and proposed that he allow all of you who have been banned from his site back for another try. If he accepts, I urge you all to do your best to follow the more stringent rules that exist there and one chance is all you will get. I myself will not be considered for reinstatement nor do I want to be.

it is a fact that lunny's forum has made some positive changes since I opened this forum. They added many more moderators simply to combat any mention of this forum, they watched the porno more carefully after network54 considered closing them down, luny started paying his bills on time (remember the old days when he constantly was losing the upgrades because he couldn't pay the money?), lunny started monitoring the forum more closely, adding things like the drop down menu he now has and more, he and his team started being more responsive to members there for fear they would lose them to here (spartan worried about this in his posts in the moderators forum). luny was less harsh and tried to be a little more evenhanded with his bans by making all of them temporary bans. these things occurred solely because of the success of this forum and the worries of his control freak team of moderators.

somewhere along the line they lost sight of the role of moderators which is solely to edit and delete not try to control members thoughts and make decisions or hand out warnings. A network54 exec even agreed that a couple of them had 'control issues' (spartan comes to mind). So the decision is for you- the valuable members- to make. If lunny accepts, do you want to go back to a more active forum? The more activity there is appealing. Also, the forum is no longer under the scrutiny it was since no reportable offenses have been forwarded to network 54 in some time. Another advantage, he should be able to pay the monthly bill easily now since it went down from 54 bucks a month to about 10. with the recent addition of a couple of moderators, things are improving and they are indepaendent thinkers who realize that spartan the self annointed supermoderator should be ignored. they are even considering implementing a rule we have had in place here from the start, which is the rule that moderators who lock a thread give a brief explanation and identify themselves instead of cowardly hiding. . I have trolled in there a couple of times just to keep the control freaks in line and tell the members things they should know (i.e. spartan wanted banning powers soon after his successful campaign to be a moderator and I thought the members needed to know this since I predicted all along he was some lonely old man on an internet power trip) many have noticed that they have improved afterwards for a little while. I can always go back under the many log ins that old timers there have provided me if I feel the desire to. they will never admit it but the opening of this forum and the alternative recourse that it gave to people who were disillusioned with the tactics of some of the ninnies on a power trip had more effect on the behavior of luny and his stooges than any and all of the complaints filed ever in the suggestions and complaints forum. network 54 has even deleted certain posts in that forum and noted the offensive nature of them for future considerationand/or action. so much has been accomplished and for that I congratulate all of you for forcing the improvement of luny's forum which is admittedly a good looking well put together forum. despite the efforts of lunny's stooges, the proposal is between he and I even though some of the control freaks will attempt to intervene and give unsolicited advice. the decision is yours guys. let me know.

btw, a couple of months ago abdullah posted a passcode of mine in that forum. He forgot that he had once given his log in information to me as well. When I posted in that forum under his name, he frantically let his fellow arab ahmed know. the stooges (mods) over there then had an msn strategy session which was set up for a certain time on a weekend day ( not making this up they really have no life). they agreed to have a network 54 employee cross reference Ip addresses so abdullah could have his log in back. While luny displayed those Ip addresses temporarily, I copied all of them and wound up with virtually all of his moderating teams Ip addresses lol. I have sent them to network 54 and they are investigating whether any of his moderators were involved as I suspect they were (spartan magically logged in along with several others at a time when this forum is normally slow). if it turns out any were involved, network 54 says they will take action.

if you want to send your thought by mail instead of posting, e-mail me. I will e-mail many waf members this thread. I opened this forum so that luny would be more responsive to his members since he had competition and also to keep in touch with many good people such as mehran who added credibility to the forum by administering it along with diunei, illaria, polizei and a few others. this group is far better than the present group of egomaniacs over there.



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June 17 2004, 6:38 PM 

NO Mikey,

HBN will always be here with your Forum.

Live together, Die together.

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June 17 2004, 6:48 PM 

Mikey you know what, that if we are defeated then that bastaard will start KILLING some forumers there again, absolute power will finally lead to absolute abuse of power.

Due to the existence of your Forum, you have given a lot to the murdered innocent guys like me and many more.

Although my wife is sometimes angry at me cuz I don't go bed more but like to stick on here, but you know what that many people want your Forum to be HERE.

But it depends all on you.

If you keep this Forum open, I live here.
If you close this Forum, I die here.

Thanks a lot for your efforts, for so long time.






 
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June 17 2004, 7:46 PM 

you have a wife?! lol kidding.

 

thanks for your kind words.



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June 17 2004, 8:21 PM 

Leave it open Mike, people on this forum are more respectfull, well most are anyway, don't give in yet, I'm checking this forum almost every day.
I have an Idea, lets figur out a time we all can come into this forum for what you yanks call a smackdown instead of only leaving one reply at a time....







 
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June 17 2004, 8:26 PM 

btw I see an influx of 'guests'. those who choose to read and lurk without logging in. as usual, waf moderators are reading my forum while hiding the fact that they do which I think is delightful. don't worry, I won't tell luny that you visited here.  you constantly copy posts from this forum to place in your stooges (moderators) forum and I think that is hilarious.. I have warned some of you time and time again to not screw with me or this forum and you are slowly learning that I mean what I say and say what I mean.  

just so you know, if my members vote to keep the place open, I will heavily recruit via hundreds of e-mails (you're so lucky the boycott mass mail didn't get sent) and I will hire someone to fix the website (it has broken links) so that it gets listed on the search engines. jack (the guy who built it) has had some family related issues come up recently and is not available for some time (although he is a member of waf... care to guess which log in he is under?)



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June 17 2004, 8:29 PM 

1. Basically i support competition, so i think and hope it should be open.
2. I think that the strategic of getting more members from Lutanic is wrong.
3. Most of the members in this forum are also members in Lutanic forum.
4. Both forums are in bad situation because there is not new members, I dont knew why but it seem to me that there is dramatic decrease in the activity of both forums.







 
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June 17 2004, 8:39 PM 

dan I respect your opinions.

but when people are receiving instructions from others to not visit this forum (spartan fancies himself as some kind of greek leader and he got many greeks to agree to not visit this forum under any circumstances) then I feel the temptation to send e-mail since he runs a forum where the sole purpose of the forum (greek club) is to strategize among greeks as to how to get more influence in the waff. then he hurriedly deletes all posts so no record of his scheming can be found. dragon was right when he said months ago to ahmed and me ( I saved this quote in chat), "spartan wants a power grab of the forum." In other words, this control freak has a herd of sheep agreeing to boycott this forum instead of thinking independently and worse, they all call in favors in spartan's private forum as to how to get what they want from luny in the waff! strange but true- he runs a forum that exists only to talk about luny's forum! not making it up that's why you should know what a control freak he is its sad and sickening.



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June 17 2004, 8:51 PM 

Mike,

NO,

and im locking this thread.



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June 17 2004, 9:27 PM 

m8 keep it going and I'll recruit some brits and a few others.
they are too lame and serious over there ever since they got the control freaks you speak of.





 
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June 17 2004, 9:44 PM 

Mike:I would like to suggest if you close the forum all members of your forum go to Lunatic forum in a new group formed by we all and with you,ILLIRIA and POLIZIE like
boss and our moderators too.So we will stay all together in the lunni's.What do you think?

 
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June 17 2004, 9:49 PM 

Paje that is an amazing idea.... 

im laughing hard.that is hilarious

Great thinking though



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June 17 2004, 9:54 PM 

lol. thanks for the ..... unique suggestion paje but I don't think luny would be very receptive to that idea (understatement, lol). Me as one of his moderators would be like gw Bush making arafat his chief foreign policy advisor.

also, this forum closing down would potentially free up luny to have great moderators that are now helping moderate this forum such as mehran ( luny has wanted him for a while now) and diunei, polizei, etc. the greatest moderators by far reside here, not there...yet.



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June 17 2004, 9:59 PM 

Mike take Paje's suggestion under consideration.

he is right.I agree with him



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Mike, I'd have a real hard time going back to Loony.

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June 17 2004, 10:00 PM 

He phucked me over, frankly. Booted me while keeping those who tasked me on a daily basis. Either you let things go, or you discipline everybody the same way.

I suggest you give this site 3 more months. Lets all get off our butts and start inviting folks over here. I just had an IM from an active member over there and I asked him to send more folks our way. He had NO idea this site even existed but is going to spread the word now! Once we reach critical mass over here, the rest will follow.

I do not want to rejoin Loony. I want to drive him nuts by the success of this forum! Lets start inviting folks on a daily basis!

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If I could post on the Lunny's site, I'd invite more folks.

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June 17 2004, 10:03 PM 

But I can't. I can read the posts, but I can't post myself. He has me blocked. I'd like to invite over more of the Greek guys, but I have no way to get ahold of them. Only the one guy who just IM'd me. He said he'd spread the word around.

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June 17 2004, 10:07 PM 

lol thanks landos.

btw, I saw what happened with you and it looks like you were banned for no reason while idiots such as gface smella, yavez slime, and kirlizoo  were allowed to remain. you tried to handle things the right way (with humor and class) while they were vitriolic little kids. but luny and his clown supermoderators try to equivocate instead of research who did what so they sacrafice one nationality a piece no matter who was actually the instigator. your ban was one of the worst I ever saw and I told luny that during one of our many recent conversations



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June 17 2004, 10:14 PM 

lol he blocked your Ip? don't you have aol? I have tons of Ip addresses, internet service providers, and multiple computers at my disposal so he can't block me. when he tried to constantly block me late last year, he ended up blocking many others except his intended target. he even accused you and I of being the same person! once, when abdullah used the administrative log in (viperbite777) that I gave him the pass to so he could ask network 54 people a question in the network 54 help forums, luny copied and pasted the Ip address (they are displayes in the network 54 help forums) and blocked it. he didn't realize he had unintentionally blocked BrotherAbdullah until he (luny) IMed me and bragged that he knew I lived in texas ( I don't, BrotherAbdullah does). lmao.

its the roadrunner versus the coyote he just can't seem to be able to block me, lol.



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June 17 2004, 10:45 PM 

Mike.

For the love of God, and in the name of Capitalism, keep this forum going.

The very exitance of this forum creates competition for Luny's, and forces them to be better at what they do.

It is also a vital forum for some of us good ole boys from back in the day (the admins) to shoot the ****!

Dont give up hope on this place going. Its a matter of patience and time.

It is somewhat slow... ubt who cares, we have some fun discussions.




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June 18 2004, 12:28 AM 

I think there's no need to close this forum.

 
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June 18 2004, 1:07 AM 

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June 18 2004, 3:23 AM 

Yeap, i agree with all of you especially Landos and Mundine. This place maybe little slower now but with patience and determination will rise, because it deserves so.

This place is run much better and it is fair.

Lets each one of us bring one more person,

 



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June 18 2004, 3:58 AM 

Hi

I am a user from the other place who likes to drop on here from time to time, I rearly think you should keep it going as compitition is good. This place has a diffrent atmospher, much less constrained and confined then WAF. If you shut it down then there will be imperative to improve WAF, and guys who get blocked from there will have no place to go.

My advice (lol and I know no one cares!) is to stick it out, you need to recuit a critical mass of members to rearly get this place going. Well you have one right here, maybe you should try posting on other sites to bring in more users?

Rearly though dont close!



    

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June 18 2004, 5:49 AM 

I also think that this forum should stay open.
In the other forum are too many freaks who call for banning every five minutes...

Of course we need some more forumers here to make the forum a little bit more vivid.



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June 18 2004, 7:43 AM 

"lol he blocked your Ip? don't you have aol? I have tons of Ip addresses, internet service providers, and multiple computers at my disposal so he can't block me."

There is no need for more then one ip.
People have the right to surf as anonymous without being recognize.

There R several of software who change and scramble the ip.
I recommend Steganos Internet Anonym or the Pro version.
This software is changing the ip in some interval of time(the default is 1 second),
it is also have small map telling U from where your fake ip is.
download from here
http://www.steganos.com/?layout=default&content=index&language=en

The program R trial version so serial number is needed after period of time,
I am sure U will find way to get over it.




 
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June 18 2004, 8:35 AM 

Mike - Dont close this forum mate. Lets not go crazy. The only one who's going crazy is lunatic. He ALWAYS visits this faorum .He told me himself about 3 weeks ago.

Remember when i told you to add his email address to your MSN? A few days later he messaged me when i was online and asked me if i was trolling in his forum under the name of somnething which i forgot now. I denied because it truly wasnt me.Besides he banned me and i havent even checked to see if im still blocked.Then he went on to ask what i thought of this forum, why i come here and if he removed my ban would i go back if the greeks accepted me....

 

wow. I always suspected he was concerned about this forum and I absolutely knew that he let certain greeks (spartan) run that place like some cult. that is extrmely comical that he can't stand up to one nationality and that they basically get what they want by privately discussing and whining in a private 'club' as to how to deal with other waff members. lol.

thanks Mundine. that story is reason enough to keep this place going I feel motivated to keep at it now.

and the troll he likely accused you of being is mcgorgious (sp?).

mcgorgious is a guy who was blasted by quite a few greeks as being a troll since he politely asked that all greeks and turks post in english and you wouldn't believe the angry reaction it got. he also asked that greeks be a tad bit more civil and after he was constantly bashed, he was forced by luny and spartan to remove himself from the 'hellenic phal..' group. luny had to tell them he wasn't Mundine but that wasn't enough for a few crybabies.  spartan and lord make all of the decisions for that group (with the exception of fantaros who doesn't follow the rest blindly) and spartan is not an old timer. who the f**k does he think he is!




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June 18 2004, 8:44 AM 

Good. i like it. Lunatic bans me for 2 years now, i dont care because this forum replaced it. however, more people like Dragon come here be better.

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June 18 2004, 8:47 AM 

well I see the moderators from luny's place have been notified of this thread. only one had the balls to come under his log in. lol.

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June 18 2004, 10:10 AM 

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June 18 2004, 10:17 AM 

For someone who was flamming blatantly, you sure talk a lot Mundine.

 
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June 18 2004, 10:33 AM 

If this forum is to succeed, it will succeed by its own virtues and none other. Not by comparing it to Lunatic`s or a continuous stream of invectives and put-downs. I have seen so many criticisms and most of them nothing more than personal differences made greater than life itself. So much so that it seems this forum was set up soley to help exorcise those differences. Ironically, this is the internet. It should`nt consume your lives like so. People will be people. There will always be differences. You win sometime. And you lose sometime. It will be a mark of the quality of this forum if it seeks to go on its own and relinquish whatever links it has with Lunatic`s forum. And not a place to play on your personal vendettas for some. People want to come to talk about military issues not the former. I think there is much scope for growth but it will take time but it also means forgetting about Lunatic`s forum or drawing comparison with a forum which has been around for 3 years. And the negative posts there-in about the latter has been nothing more than unethical. How it performs and is managed has got nothing to do with this one. The basis of this forum has got to be a platform where views about global security and military issues are aired. Im sure that Mike and his good moderators will strive to make this one successful with its own bunch of resident posters.

I used to post on this forum but no longer. I am moderator on the other side and I have taken it upon myself not to post on this one because of the conflict of interest it will cause. The same conflict of interest that is the source and focus of many of the posts in this forum pertaining to Lunatic`s one. I would`nt have done likewise if this had not been the case. But I take exception this time as I see Mike`s post as an opportunity to say a few things. In all fairness, I hope Mike will not delete this post.

 
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June 18 2004, 10:46 AM 

faz1. you msn chatted with me the other day and said you were getting tired of lunatic's forum and were resigning from luny's moderating team in a couple of months. you said a lot more than that.

make up your mind buddy.

this forum was created to give people more freedom to express views and freedom from the increasingly stringent guidlines that a few over there imposed. it's too bad that a few control freaks constantly lock threads in order to make up for the helplessness they feel in real life. some threads were locked for going slightly off topic and that is ridiculous.  you have people who beg to be moderators and after they are appointed, they sneakily ask for banning powers. that is worrysome for old timers who remember many enjoyable memorable moments on that forum. the old days were fun and they shall return here provided there are no violations of tos.



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June 18 2004, 10:53 AM 

btw, luna's site hasn't been around for 3 years try 2. and you are a relative newbie and are another example of a newbie moderator trying to kiss up to luny and impose his will upon old timers who remember the good old days where threads were rarely censored. I don't care if you don't post here, you added nothing. you initiated getting me on your msn list so you could criticise lunatic and his stooges while running back to them and doing the reverse. I'm not that stupid.
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June 18 2004, 11:07 AM 

faz1. you msn chatted with me the other day and said you were getting tired of lunatic's forum and were resigning from luny's moderating team in a couple of months. you said a lot more than that. you then had something very different to say privately


- Yes. I should be doing that in time. You have wrote it in another fashion though. I decided to moderate because there was none other at that point of time to represent my country. I was the one who requested for the induction of moderators for the SEA threads. Also, I made a point then about getting others to try out too as I feel it`s only good that people see for themselves as moderators so they know how bad things can turn out. I am tired about how sometimes discussions went out of topic and the necessity for moderators to come into the picture. I would like some of my countrymen to try out at modding as well. Afterwhich, I`ll just be a poster.

- Yes. Your interventions were disruptive. As moderators tasked to preserve the viability of that forum, we have every reason to take every action necessary to preserve the latter; look into possible sources of problems as well as solutions. Im sure as a forum owner, you will concur with me. You had your own problem then with a hacker or flammer; Piggy was it? You would definetely have your own dicussions with your own set of moderators which im not privy to know. Your actions as a poster and you as person are separable though.


this forum was created to give people more freedom to express views and freedom from the increasingly stringent guidlines that a few over there imposed. it's too bad that a few control freaks constantly lock threads in order to make up for the helplessness they feel in real life. some threads were locked for going slightly off topic and that is ridiculous. you have people who beg to be moderators and after they are appointed, they sneakily ask for banning powers. that is worrysome for old timers who remember many enjoyable memorable moments on that forum. the old days were fun and they shall return here provided there are no violations of tos.

- I could`nt agree with some of your points you`ve brought up Mike; pertaining to some of moderators or posters. I have a different view. And respectfully, this is where we will have to dis-agree. And I do not intend to argue out the origins or basis of this as this does not concern me rightfully. But the viabiltiy of Lunatic`s forum does. At any rate, the forum with more than a 1000 members could not possibly be dealt with the same way. But again, this does not become your prerogative any longer. You would have own forum to manage and no doubt your own challenges as well.

"this forum was created to give people more freedom to express views and freedom from the increasingly stringent guidlines that a few over there imposed"

- I talked about this in my previous post. IT should`nt be case. You may want to make it freer by your own terms Mike. But the basis should`nt be Lunatic`s forum or the members there-in. In time, you`ll get your own resident posters Im sure.


 
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btw, luna's site hasn't been around for 3 years try 2. and you are a relative newbie and are another example of a newbie moderator trying to kiss up to luny and impose his will upon old timers who remember the good old days where threads were rarely censored. I don't care if you don't post here, you added nothing. you initiated getting me on your msn list so you could criticise lunatic and his stooges while running back to them and doing the reverse. I'm not that stupid.

- It`s true. I`m new but I would still have to discharge my responsibilities no matter who the owner is; including yourself.

- Mike. I tried to help out by starting some posts when you first started your forum. Could you not remember that? Please dont make this an issue about me and attack me. Neither is it an attempt by me to attack you. I was trying to highlight a couple of points. I have no history with you but I do have certain responsibilites invested in me. There is a lot of scope for growth in this forum but it no longer has anything to do with Lunatic`s.

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how is that faz? it si a netork 54 forum where members can log in and post with the same account,etc. since some of you all are so obsessed with my 'little hole' and its such a hot topic in your stooges forum, I will retaliate every time one of you e-mail my people or come in to view a spamming and my retaliation will be a harder hit than anything you all can do. I'll resume the weekly e-mails to network 54, create (in all caps) log in names that advertise this site, and mass e-mail and troll in too! wanna play! sad that certain network 54 people have felt the need to personally delete offensive threads and file reports to the los angeles headquarters about behavior there (ahmeds death threats come to mind)- Mike Murphy


 
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June 18 2004, 11:23 AM 

you said it was worded differently? please be specific. I don't think I misrepresented a word you have said. you accused me of being behind anglophile's boycott effort. it was his idea and his alone. I supported his idea and even proposed an idea where no boycott be considered which was a viable idea (diunei shadowing dragon's posts). I thought this was an unselfish idea because I knew that someone (turned out to be you) would ASSume I was behind the boycott idea. you owe me an apology and you owe luny more loyalty than trying to initiate a chat with me on msn so you could blast his forum. you are only now trying to make amends by standing up for him here.

as for me being disruptive, spartan and a few others suddenly showed here when the spamming began (and when no one is usually logged in at 2am). for every disruption toward this forum. 10 will occur toward that one. got it?

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June 18 2004, 11:27 AM 

and no luny doesn't have 1000 members, not even close. he has a couple of hundred and then many of those have several troll log in names and it is an out of control problem.

he also has several internet explorer windows going at the same time which gives the impression that several guests are always visiting.



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you said it was worded differently? please be specific. I don't think I misrepresented a word you have said. you accused me of being behind anglophile's boycott effort. it was his idea and his alone. I supported his idea and even proposed an idea where no boycott be considered which was a viable idea (diunei shadowing dragon's posts). I thought this was an unselfish idea because I knew that someone (turned out to be you) would ASSume I was behind the boycott idea. you owe me an apology and you owe luny more loyalty than trying to initiate a chat with me on msn so you could blast his forum. you are only now trying to make amends by standing up for him here.

- You always try to turn things around by baring yor fangs; even when people try to reason with you. Even when a personal attack is not forthcoming.

- It`s only natural that the suspicion falls on your shoulders don`t you think. And you have no reason to support his idea as well given the current predicament you have found yourself to be in. I reserve no apologies for making a suspicion naturally as you would with problems you face here. Given the kind of restrictions we face in this world of make believe, its only proper to work our way from those kind of hypothesis. I never said anything more than that.

as for me being disruptive, spartan and a few others suddenly showed here when the spamming began (and when no one is usually logged in at 2am). for every disruption toward this forum. 10 will occur toward that one. got it?

- Yes Mike. Neither do I believe its him. More threats. You should let go. This is not your world(make believe) and you know it.




 
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June 18 2004, 12:23 PM 

lol. you make no sense. you are trying to make amends for the backstabbing you did when you trashed luny's forum and provided me information. did your conscience catch up to you? why do you pretend to be mr. understanding when engaging me in private conversation on msn? why do you try to play both sides against the middle? I don't make threats, I make promises. those who want to play around will be embarrassed. ask luny what happened when he challenged me and taunted me via e-mail. his forum hasn't been the same. his waf homepage that you all were so excited about turned out to be a dud, his forum is under constant scrutiny and has far less posts compared to a year ago. thanks for coming here to motivate me faz, I needed the boost and now I'll get to work. let the games begin.

and please explain what 'predicament' I am in? everything is fine. I offered to close the forum for the sake of my loyal members who are probably impatient that the website promoting it has so many bugs. it's still a better website than that laughable waf homepage and I can log in to waf forum anytime under a host of log ins so no, I am in no predicament.

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June 18 2004, 12:28 PM 

I did`nt `Thrashed' Lunatic`s forum Mike. No doubt evryone will have his/her own view about how things are run. But I certainly did`nt `thrash' his forum.

 
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and please explain what 'predicament' I am in?

- Predicament? Your total lack of disregard for that forum, constant interventions where it does`nt concern you, vitroile here on this forum makes you a dubious collaborator. Tell me. Why does it interest you so much to fulfill your vengeance?

 
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June 18 2004, 12:30 PM 

hmmmm. let's see if I can find that msn chat we had. what exactly did you say then? you were 'highly critical'. is that fair to say or are you calling me a liar?

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June 18 2004, 12:33 PM 

I have my own views as I have said before and I feel free to air them. But the running of the forum is u to him and I will follow his lead

 
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Why does it interest you so much to fulfill your thirst for vengeance?

answer; I prefer to label it how we label it here in the south; straightening.- Mike Murphy. 


 
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June 18 2004, 12:38 PM 

when I receive a link and see members over there spewing crap about my forum or calling me names, I respond and it does concern me so there goes your theory. also, if I see something that reminds me of how I was treated unfairly, I call a spade a spade. my family was mercilessly insulted and instead of acting against the perpetrators, a couple of your fellow stooges took the cowardly way out and luny went along with it. since luny has felt the need to e-mail me in the past with taunting remarks after no such provocations from my end, this has continued. he even posted an e-mail he sent to me on his forum so yes, I intervene when I want and also at the request of others. so many others that old timers from there who don't even post on my forum have offered passcodes to me just in case I want to respond. pissants like you and spartan are what keep this feud alive and right now I'm relishing it.

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when I receive a link and see members over there spewing crap about my forum or calling me names, I respond and it does concern me so there goes your theory. also, if I see something that reminds me of how I was treated unfairly, I call a spade a spade. my family was mercilessly insulted and instead of acting against the perpetrators, a couple of your fellow stooges took the cowardly way out and luny went along with it. since luny has felt the need to e-mail me in the past with taunting remarks after no such provocations from my end, this has continued. he even posted an e-mail he sent to me on his forum so yes, I intervene when I want and also at the request of others. so many others that old timers from there who don't even post on my forum have offered passcodes to me just in case I want to respond. pissants like you and spartan are what keep this feud alive and right now I'm relishing it.

- And when it happens to yours(forum), it is`nt right?

- And you have had your fair share of responses Im sure about the family issue.

- You also had more than your fair share of criticisms here. Where does it end? Why should relish a feud? How long has it been that you have carried this? And must others be pulled into the picture as well just so long as you could live out your thrill of getting back at people?




 
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June 18 2004, 12:44 PM 

Do the others really care as much as you do? What do you want?

 
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June 18 2004, 12:49 PM 

I never pulled anyone into the feud you pathetic liar. who? name one person? people who post here who are reputable membes of waf have offered to never visit luny's site again and I have never encouraged that. I have instead asked them to continue to participate there. never once have I asked anyone to become involved in a dispute or been the person behind anglo's boycott (non) effort. I have in the past solved some of waf's troll issues and e-mailed dragon and or luny telling them who was a troll. who do you think solved the shinji troll issue (japanese imperial flag)? I did. without me no one would have known golani was shinji. that's just one example and what do I get for it? trash talk from idiots like you. luny only became civil when network 54 started coming down hard on him. he should keep it that way before he gets shut down.

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June 18 2004, 3:09 PM 

Sorry, I am kind of late in response. Mike, you should keep it open!

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June 18 2004, 3:26 PM 

lol Mikey,

I know what your joking mean lol

You know that a man cannot always stick at home he needs breath some fresh air occasionally lol






 
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June 18 2004, 3:53 PM 

Everyone should know that faz regularly used to provide me information on the goings on of the inner circle of stooges over there but he recently had a change of heart after I quit receiving his msn Im's.

This thread is for posters who want to have their voice heard over the future of this forum not for hypersensitive control freaks who stress themselves crazy over the very existence of this forum. I will now increase my activity so that all members over there know what is really going on.



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June 18 2004, 4:04 PM 

hbn send me the information by mail so competitors don't steal the idea.




 
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June 18 2004, 4:06 PM 

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hbn it is interesting but don't post it here I don't want competitors getting the idea that they can do the same.

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June 18 2004, 6:34 PM 

But the very thought of shutting down this forum for the reasons you stated is RIDICULOUS!!

That being said, let's try to keep things in perspective.  The main reason forum activity is down is because it is summer for the majority of the Internet population!  Many students (myself included) are working full time.  And I am sure others are occupied with outdoor barbecues/family and friend get-togethers, wedding preparations, camping, rollerblading or other outdoor activities.  Simply put, most people are away from their computers and outdoors.  Once September rolls around then I am sure there will be a surge of people getting back to their computers and the Internet, and hence come across here.

So I would encourage you to take advantage of the "natural downtime" and fix whatever errors there are, so the promotion will be good to go come September.  And even though this forum is new, I believe we have quite a few positives going on here; the biggest one being the lack of idiots here!


 
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June 19 2004, 6:56 AM 

Diunei you took my words...

Thats what i actually told Mike on the phone, now it is summer and we all are alittle busy, but whenever we get on the internet this site is one of the first ones to visit and check.....

 



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Way to bitch slap that stooge, Mike!

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June 19 2004, 7:06 AM 

He's probably whimpering in a corner somewhere licking his wounds and rubbing his azz! Heh, heh.

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June 19 2004, 7:21 PM 

well it looks like it's unanimous. the forum will stay put and a new, energized effort to improve will be implemented. thanks for the response guys and the input. I began the thread because I was ashamed at how the website http://www.global-military.com/phpx/index.php  has not made it on any search engines and I thought you all were upset about it as well so I felt responsible. I will double my efforts to see why google hasn't picked it up yet.thanks for the confidence. at one point today we had more people logged in than luny's forum did and the hits have dramatically increased yesterday and today. we will aggressively pursue new members and all administrators will be responsive, not arrogant, to the suggestions and/or criticism's of the members. the arrogant statement, '' it's the owners forum to do what he wishes'' will not be made to members here. I firmly believe it belongs to all of you, the members as it should belong to those who make the community here. thanks for the inputand enjoy YOUR forum.

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June 19 2004, 10:53 PM 

Ok,Mike,good choise.Thnks.We all agree with you.
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June 20 2004, 1:39 AM 

Thanks for keeping it open. Without this forum there is no other place to go.

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June 20 2004, 7:34 AM 

I also would like to let you know that Fass1 is not banned.This thread was opened so we could discuss regarding its future, and it was not meant for someone from another forum to try to find this moment as an excuse to kiss his owners ass.Thats the difference between this place and the other.

I wonder what Lunass could do if he banned a member, and one of his moderators lifts the ban,

U all know the result, most likely the moderator could have been also banned,

Thanx Mike, again. You are true to your words.

By the way this is not ass-kissing owner, otherwise i couldnt have asked in the mod's forum for the ban be lifted.

Now Fass1, if you want you can kiss some more ass, and invite Lunass to come and see, and be proud of the moderator he has.Democratic enough. 



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June 20 2004, 7:48 AM 

Hey Fass1 arent you jelous alittle that moderators of this forum have the right to disagree with decisions of their owners,lock owner's threads and excersise their rights as moderators in attempt of doing the right thing, and what is best for everyone, if they judge so, while you guys will always be kissing Lun-ass. Enjoy your "slave" moderating there,

 



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June 20 2004, 8:14 AM 

Mike, I really don't think you should, I frankly do like this forum (even if I rarely come aboard). But, anyway, it's really your decision...
http://free-submissions-to-search-engines.com/
http://www.ineedhits.com/
http://www.freewebsubmission.com/

Try these for web submissions. And search google for me of these links. They're absolutely free (most). You'd like them. There is more than just google you know!


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June 20 2004, 10:46 AM 

looks like youve got an awful lot of support to keep it open mike.People obvoiusly respect you.Keep it open

sorry for not particpating in this forum enough.





 
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June 20 2004, 11:07 AM 

don't mind at all about the participation nero. sry to hear about your injury. hopefully things will work out in the future.

azzuro thanks I will use those submissions but I'm a little miffed that I paid money to traffic blazer (godaddy.com) and it wasn't submitted like I thought it would be. jack fixed the broken links they said were holding up the submissions and re-submitted and still, nothing..jack also had to redo the meta tags.  I'll try what you gave me and thanks again.



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July 2 2004, 2:07 PM 

I'm back after a long trip.

@landos.. if you are Ip blocked by l;unaprick try www.proxify.com then type in his forum address (211833) if you want to start e-mailing people who are friends you wanted to keep in touch with.

I for one will begin monitoring and reporting them again effective immediately since they want to play games. I will now show them what hardball is all about.

some interesting facts about faz1 and spartan will be posted there very soon.



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July 2 2004, 3:01 PM 

OK that's why I didn't see Mike for a while.






 
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