I think we should stop flaming USA as a superpower.
In the military sense, US army is good at bully small countries, makes it look at a "super" power, but when facing a reasonable foe like Iran, N.Korea, then USA backs off.
It is indeed a Major power, but far far away from a Superpower.
My 2 cents.
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USA spends almost as much as the rest of the world combined that is a super power. It is hard to win a gorilla war especially when you are fighting the hole Moslem world.
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ummm... our defence budget is larger than the COMBINED budgets of China, Russia, Britain, France, Germany, India, Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, Italy, Spain, Japan, Brazil, Canada, and Israel.
How else would you define a superpower? Sure... we couldnt INVADE China or Russia... but there is no other country on the face of the planet with the kind of military, economic, and diplomatic influence the US has.
United We Stand.
"Now, while still pursuing the method of realising our overall strategic concept, I come to the crux of what I have travelled here to say. Neither the sure prevention of war, nor the continuous rise of world organisation will be gained without what I have called the fraternal association of the English-speaking peoples. This means a special relationship between the British Commonwealth and Empire and the United States. Thus, whatever happens, and thus only, shall we be secure ourselves and able to work together for the high and simple causes that are dear to us and bode no ill to any. Eventually there may come—I feel eventually there will come—the principle of common citizenship, but that we may be content to leave to destiny, whose outstretched arm many of us can already clearly see.
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I agree with HBN that USA is not a superpower.
Fool, when you said that if USA would have fought against all other nations, the only nation that would survive will be Americans, I think you mixed up, The only nation that would not survive would be the Americans.
who cares if your military buged is bigger and you spend it on tons of weapons, 1 terror attack is enough to scare the $hit out of the hole nation, imagine what happens if you nuke new-york, the hole Island of america will be empty, everyone will run away.
The weapons that you spend your buged on, you call "supirior", well actually they are not supirior anymore. acouple of days ago Russia introduced its new state of the art weapons. The USA admitted that the new Russian weapons are supirior to USA's weapons.
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While I disagree with your statement, I do agree with some aspects of the point you are making.
1. As opposed to what our press would like us to believe, communists are still our enemy. Communism and capitalism cannot coexist for long. (Despite the chinese experiment.)
2. The Russian / Chinese puppet masters are behind many of the frontline countries we fight. At some point we will have to face our real enemies.
3. Be careful in assuming you know our strategy. To assume conquest is the goal is to show a lack of understanding of our culture. Security in todays world is a wide net covering so much more that military issues.
4. China should be careful not to get caught in the web of it's own making.
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psychester, if you are new here then I welcome you! Allow me to rebutt your points if I may:
1. As opposed to what our press would like us to believe, communists are still our enemy. Communism and capitalism cannot coexist for long. (Despite the chinese experiment.)
Wouldn't you say there is a good compromise in the socialist countries of Europe like Sweden and Norway, for example? And I would have to argue that capitalism has proven by far to be more aggressive and unethical that communism. It has always been capitalist countries that promoted imperialism, in order to create its insatiable need to create economies/groups dependant on a controlling group.
2. The Russian / Chinese puppet masters are behind many of the frontline countries we fight. At some point we will have to face our real enemies.
Wasn't it the USA that put Saddam Hussein in charge and armed him to the teeth? And wasn't it the USA that supported the Taliban in Afghanistan, back in the days when this Taliban were merely anti-Soviet mujahadeen? And please don't tell me the Russians or Chinese were propping up South American countries; the USA was meddling in their affairs since the 19th century.
3. Be careful in assuming you know our strategy. To assume conquest is the goal is to show a lack of understanding of our culture. Security in todays world is a wide net covering so much more that military issues.
American strategy is to "outsource" it colonialism my maintaining military bases to enforce their puppets controlling the various states.
4. China should be careful not to get caught in the web of it's own making.
I think the USA has learned that the hard way. They wove the web that was Saddam Hussein's Baa'th party, Iran (helping to murder Dr Mossadegh) and Afghan mudihadeen. And Americans got caught up by invading Iraq; having Iranian revolutionaries expose many dirty secrets when the US embassy was seized; and in allowing Osama bin Laden to operate freely in Afghanistan.
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Capitalisme is proclaiming Slavery. Capitalists slave and exploit the labor workers no matter how good your life is you are mainly just a slave of Capitalists.
Morally Communisme is much better than Capitalisme.
So don't bring Capitalisme vs Communisme stuff here.
When talking about Nation vs Nation, nothing to do with your ideology, it is only about the interest of a nation.
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I spent an hour responding to your response before getting blown of the website.
While your points are well taken I believe they are easily rebutted but I don't want to spend the next hour typing my response again.
The world has been a contentious place for the last 1000 years. I doubt that it will change in the next 1000. The war of words and ideas are extremely important but given the history of our world (especially in the 20th century)
those cultures that survive are those that fight for their survival.
The fight between socialism and the right of the individual, between communism and capitalism, will continue to shape the future of the world.
This is true for secularism vs religion as well. I do know that the communist dominated United Nations has been ineffective requiring the US to take action unilaterally.
When I have more time I would enjoy rebutting your previous points.
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ACE, I see already that you are a pretty articulate debater. Again, there are some points your bring up that I disagree with so I shall rebutt them.
Ask some of your country men if they feel like slaves.
Call Chinese society "pagan" if you like, but it is ingrained in our Confucian culture to work like "slaves" by your standards. For many Chinese, working 12 hour days 6 times a week is entirely normal. In fact, even in Hong Kong, with a very heavy British influence on commercial culture, people work 5 X 9 hour days during the week, and half the day on Saturdays. They only have one week during moon festival and one week during Chinese new years as holidays.
Tienemen square was a perfect example of your communist "good".. a few students wanting to feel the fresh air of freedom and you squash them like bugs for not walking the communist line...
Tiananmen square tragedy was far more complex than it is made out to be in the Western media. In brief, it was a civil war. Having family, friends and a professor that were there, I have a unique perspective that I used to write an essay. When I find that link I will be happy to post it for you.
Class rights can never exceed individual rights.
The initial protest was condemning corruption, which was about a few individuals profiting from the greater society. And Chinese democracy is interpreted as "ming zhu," or "dictatorship of the people." It was THIS concept that the majority of the protestors (pro-West collaborators notwithstanding) wanted restored.
Nations may come and go... but it is our basic human right to explore or individual thoughts and creativity.
You interpretation of individualist-centric human rights is based on protestant doctrine. This is not the case in Chinese culture and never was.
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Well here is the thing, there can not be only one superpower, it is not realistic. There is good and bad, each side has a superpower, and each side has a lot of global powers.
USA does spend a lot of money on weapons, but at what cost? USA brawn is a myth, the majority of the recruits are young black/white trash/hispanic males who come from poor families with the only reason to make money from the Army. No one is interested in fighting America's war, no one joins up for that.
USA undoubtebly has the biggest and best, however, do numbers really matter anymore? We know for a fact that America fighting in condensed areas such as Jungles or mountainous terrain is a failure, because US Armour and tactical missiles really have a hard time in these areas. USA against nations with wide plateaus, that is where the yanks shine, and at sea.
Arial combat, well, America has not proven itslef in a long time. And I am sorry to say that even with the raptor added, you guys still need skill to win, which obviously you dont have.
US nuclear attack subs are designed to counter Soviet Attack subs in the Atlantic and Pacific, those giant clumbsy tanks will surely get pinned down in seas like the Med or Baltic. US Aiforce believes that stealth conquers all, well with well placed radars, stealth means sh*t.
I know it sounds like I am bashing, but hey, think of it this way, when you say America can take on the world, you know that is bull ****. America can take on China? Korea? wow you guys actually have that much manpower that is WILLING to fight? Too many hippies in USA. America can fight in the jungles of the southeast?? In the crowded packed, dense cities of North Africa? In Siberia with the Russians?
What you said is bull ****, it only takes oone Philipines to bog down the American "war machine" built out of Foreign Developed weapons, Moraless young immigrant children, and an economy built on slave labor. HAHA, yes, God Bless the American war machine, I would like to see it conquer Iraq.
Not that easy to conquer a country, is it? Moronic Yankee Mentality.
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Man, the point is that you are cheering for the SLAVERY in your country, while we have at aleast an ideology of Communisme which is totally against SLAVERY.
You may make more bucks, but you are still a SLAVE, and you CHEER for it, silly.
Well, back to TOPIC.
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The United States is most definately a superpower, here's the definition:
“su·per·pow·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spr-pour)
n.
A powerful and influential nation, especially a nuclear power that dominates its allies or client states in an international power bloc.”
“Italy unfortunately has been long excluded from the number of European powers. If Italians today are worthy of resuming their rights, someday they will see their country arise with glory among the powers of the earth.”--Napoleone Buonaparte
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I think HBN is trying to say that the world today is more multi-polar than, say, the Clinton years, that the rest of the world has caught up. In that sense he may be on to something.
Diplomatically the US under Bush has been routed. He could not get the UN to support a war against Iraq; US diplomacy has not been able to solve the North Korea nuclear weapons issue, and has alienated much of the world.
Economically, the USA has enormous budget and trade deficits and US dollar hegemony is being questioned, as witnessed by its large decline.
Militarily, despite its quantitative (naval and air forces) as well as generaly qualitative edge, the world does not necessarily fear the US military as much as during the 1990s. Iraq illustrates this because poorly armed insurgents have managed to bog down 100 000+ US soldiers and stretch the US military to the breaking point.
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Diunei made my points completely clear. Thanks mate.
For some puppet countries USA is a "superpower", but in the eyes of Chinese (at least HBN), USA is just a Major power, no more, no less, I don't treat you as some "super" one at all, that's it.
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well the whole world outlook is diffrent for China, the aspiring superpower.
But as to the Communist Vs. Capatilist argument.
I actually REALLY like the ideals of communism, but you would need a computer government to run society because every human is curropt and will seek power. (well Castro has done a real good job of it though)
But capitalism encourages natural recations, like to be better than others and the be the leader. It also follows a Dwaranistic policy of the strong will survive(Be rich have a nice car, beautiful wife/husband, big house, lots of money, health) and the weak will work at McDonalds(minimum wage etc..)
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Those guys make me ANGRY when they actually are SLAVEs of Capitalists yet they start to critisize Communisme, ya know what SHAMELESS is, I hope.
Because Communisme does not work well in THIS evil world where almost every STRONG nation is Capitalis, that's why WE (CHINA) has to "stop" even with Communisme and get the Country strong first (so sacrifice many people's interests and dignity), and you see what happened in the past 20 years "REFORM=Capitalistic)".
But still Critisizing Communisme is SHAME.
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Diplomatically the UN security counsel voted to allow the invasion of Iraq. Check the facts.
Bilateral negotiations under the Clinton Administration were fruiless because N. Korea was talking out of both sides of their mouth. Buying time. Certainly not negotiating in good faith.
Bush uses a multilateral approach with China, Russia, Japan and S. Korea and still you criticize him for it.
I'm not sure what you mean by large decline? Large decline in what?
As far as militarily goes, we do not want the world to fear us. We have done more for the nations of this planet than any other nation in history. (Including China!)
To say that the Iraqis are poorly armed is ludicrous. We are not just fighting Iragis fighters we are fighting arab and Islamic militants from the entire arab and persian populations.
If you would like believe that this little event in history portends the end to the US's position in the world you do so at your own peril.
If you think that our only goal is world dominance, you clearly do not understand the forces at play here. Soon Europe will finally get it's act together, India will contiue to progress, even without a strong US, China's quest to become the world's dominant power is not a sure thing.
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No way. right there are 3 major powers almost as strong as US so how can it take 3 on 1
think of a street fight. The three will be intimidated at first but once found weaknesses the US will become overwhelmed with the responsibility of defeating the world and will lose.
Never will happen but a different perspective is good
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Diplomatically the UN security counsel voted to allow the invasion of Iraq. Check the facts.
And the facts are that the UNSC never voted for that. Most international law scholars said so and Kofi Annan said so. Remember, international law is NOT codefied, it is based on jurisprudence (i.e. precedents) and there was never a case that said "serious consequences" was the trigger phrase for war. That trigger phrase has always been "...by all necessary means."
Bilateral negotiations under the Clinton Administration were fruiless because N. Korea was talking out of both sides of their mouth. Buying time. Certainly not negotiating in good faith.
But Clinton's diplomacy built multi-national coalitions working in and against Yugoslavia, achieved various international treaties and institutions (e.g. transforming GATT into WTO, creating NAFTA, Kyoto, etc.) Clinton was also successful with peace summits between Israel and Palestinian authorities.
Bush uses a multilateral approach with China, Russia, Japan and S. Korea and still you criticize him for it.
yet Bush unilaterally withdrew from Kyoto and ICC. Bush also was unilateralist in his approach to the UN and Iraq. (Please don't be so naive and say the USA, UK and Australia was a grand invasion coalition.) And Bush bringing China and Russia into North Korea is not so much good faith as it is grooming potential scapegoats.
I'm not sure what you mean by large decline? Large decline in what?
None of the major European, South American or African countries respect US diplomacy.
As far as militarily goes, we do not want the world to fear us. We have done more for the nations of this planet than any other nation in history. (Including China!)
China contributed much more to the world before white people even set foot in North America. Paper, paper money, astronomy and advances in early mathematics are just some of the things you take for granted. China cancels debt from Africa but I have not seen the USA do that.
As for contribution to the world, I won't deny my gratefulness for the US nuking Japan and other scientific advances. But look at what American foreign policy has done to South America alone. Look at how it devastated Vietnam. In fact, look even closer, the USA was built on genocide.
To say that the Iraqis are poorly armed is ludicrous. We are not just fighting Iragis fighters we are fighting arab and Islamic militants from the entire arab and persian populations.
Oh come on, the best weapons the Iraqi insurgents have are RPGs, which compare rather poorly to F-15s, M1A2s, cruise missiles, etc.
If you would like believe that this little event in history portends the end to the US's position in the world you do so at your own peril.
I am not saying that. Again, the argument is not that the US has declined so much, as it is world countries that have caught up.
If you think that our only goal is world dominance, you clearly do not understand the forces at play here. Soon Europe will finally get it's act together, India will contiue to progress, even without a strong US, China's quest to become the world's dominant power is not a sure thing.
All countries ultimately act in their own self-interests. Vast military bases around the world help the USA maintain its best interests. Are you trying to tell me that it doesn't benefit the USA to have dollar hegemony and to dictate the petrol economy as much as possible?
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i agree with HBN that America is not a superpower and that we have to stop it from growing and that America is only a super power to its puppet countries. but you also forget that apart from China and Russia there is also another great Asian power which is India. I dont know why but people seem to think and because India has been ruled by the British and has been an independent countrie only for 50 years that it isnt a major power but i think that it is. i think that the three Asian powers... Russia China and India should form stronger alliances and stand up to America who are acting rather like tyrants around the world at the moment.
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Of course India is already a Major Power, a power in the Top 5 in current world, and in some 30 years, India will be on Top 3 Major powers in the world.
There is NO superpower at all, USA is only a "Super" power for its puppet allies.
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what is your opinion on the fact that china russia and india should join up in an alliance and give america a taste of its own medicine but not necessarily by ilitary means
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But actually we 2 countries China and India already Huge enough to take down USA, we can use some Russian help, but we definitely don't need Russia that much.
20 years already enough.
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yeah thats the idea that i had and that we could stop america through thr un or militarily from terrorising small helpless countries such as Iraq especially without un aproval
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ye your right we would be able to make america back off with out having to resort to our vast military did you know that india has that largest navy in the world and china has the largest army? imagine the force if they were put together. but if it did come to a fight would numbers beat technology? would we use nuclear weapons?
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No, there will be no war btw USA and China or USA and India.
USA is just a paper tiger who barks a lot against small countries, but when facing Big Buys it will back off, blaff a bit then retreat, look at N.Korea
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And the facts are that the UNSC never voted for that. Most international law scholars said so and Kofi Annan said so. Remember, international law is NOT codefied, it is based on jurisprudence (i.e. precedents) and there was never a case that said "serious consequences" was the trigger phrase for war. That trigger phrase has always been "...by all necessary means."
There is no "international" Law. The UN, as corrupt as it is, finally voted to take action on IRAQ after thirteen resolutions.
Kofi Annan is a joke, for him to say the action was "illegal" after the security council by majority vote approved it is beyon ludicrous.
But Clinton's diplomacy built multi-national coalitions working in and against Yugoslavia, achieved various international treaties and institutions (e.g. transforming GATT into WTO, creating NAFTA, Kyoto, etc.) Clinton was also successful with peace summits between Israel and Palestinian authorities.
I thought we were talking about N. Korea where bilateral talks amounted to N.Korea trying to strong arm US into giving them food while they continued to work on developement of the bomb.
That did work.
yet Bush unilaterally withdrew from Kyoto and ICC. Bush also was unilateralist in his approach to the UN and Iraq. (Please don't be so naive and say the USA, UK and Australia was a grand invasion coalition.) And Bush bringing China and Russia into North Korea is not so much good faith as it is grooming potential scapegoats.
You gotta be kidding. The ruler of N. Korea is a "Freak" even the Chinese and Russians think so. Bush did the right thing to go multilateral. That cannot be disputed even by the anti-american crowd.
None of the major European, South American or African countries respect US diplomacy.
What? How old are you? For 25 years the america policy has been to ignore the UN and work with countries indiviually. We have always used bi-lateral negotions where ever possible. Why would we ever put our hopes on a communist dominated body whose orgination is based on the POLITBORO. Americans hate the UN.
China contributed much more to the world before white people even set foot in North America. Paper, paper money, astronomy and advances in early mathematics are just some of the things you take for granted. China cancels debt from Africa but I have not seen the USA do that.
Which country in africa? The US has done plenty for Africa. Ethiopia in the 50's; Somalia in the 90's; Liberia, Eqypt....
There is NO county in the world that has done more for the African content. Britain may be a close second. China doesn't even rate.
As for contribution to the world, I won't deny my gratefulness for the US nuking Japan and other scientific advances. But look at what American foreign policy has done to South America alone. Look at how it devastated Vietnam. In fact, look even closer, the USA was built on genocide.
So was China! Most of your Dynasties were maintained through bloodshed. You pratically wiped out the nomadic tribes of the north. The communist revolution killed how many million? You have no platform to stand on when it comes to genocide.
Oh come on, the best weapons the Iraqi insurgents have are RPGs, which compare rather poorly to F-15s, M1A2s, cruise missiles, etc.
Indeed, it is a guerilla war in an urban setting. Get serious. F15's and heavy armor does not work around urban populations. That's why this will take time.
If you would like believe that this little event in history portends the end to the US's position in the world you do so at your own peril.
I am not saying that. Again, the argument is not that the US has declined so much, as it is world countries that have caught up.
If you think that our only goal is world dominance, you clearly do not understand the forces at play here. Soon Europe will finally get it's act together, India will contiue to progress, even without a strong US, China's quest to become the world's dominant power is not a sure thing.
All countries ultimately act in their own self-interests. Vast military bases around the world help the USA maintain its best interests. Are you trying to tell me that it doesn't benefit the USA to have dollar hegemony and to dictate the petrol economy as much as possible?
What about the euro? THe dollar is not the only currency used world wide. As far as our bases are concerned, they are a double edged sword. The cost of them is very high and there are many who believe they are not worth the price. We should have been out of Germany years ago for example... Everytime we tried to close down bases in Germany and Britain..... they both cried like babies.
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And the facts are that the UNSC never voted for that. Most international law scholars said so and Kofi Annan said so. Remember, international law is NOT codefied, it is based on jurisprudence (i.e. precedents) and there was never a case that said "serious consequences" was the trigger phrase for war. That trigger phrase has always been "...by all necessary means."
There is no "international" Law. The UN, as corrupt as it is, finally voted to take action on IRAQ after thirteen resolutions.
Kofi Annan is a joke, for him to say the action was "illegal" after the security council by majority vote approved it is beyon ludicrous.
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None of which proves the war was legal.Its hypocritical to claim something is legal and they refute your own point by claiming there is no International Law. WIth super powers absuing the current International law , it is nothing more than an rubber stamp endorcement of none vetoable actions.
get rid of the securtiy council Veto and things may change.
One thing I wonder is the costs. I see that the invasion of Iraqi cost $ 40-50 billion and the occupation is about $ 100 billion per year. I hear some predicting the Americans will be in Iraq for years if not decades. How much per year did the 'quarranteeing' of Saddam under the UN during the 1990s cost?
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USA is the superpower and not a major power among others because it is the
single most important shaping force on this earth. Global politics depend
and are defined by the United States of America and every other power on
earth can do nothing but to react to what the superpower decides.
Most probably in a couple of decades China will rise from major power to
superpower and there will be a bipolar world again but until that day
the world remains with one single superpower.
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(Saadi Shirazi and later Mustafa Kemal Ataturk)
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ok that is just not funny infact its stupid dont bother wasting youre time just to do that dont you have anything better to do? lets get back on the subject of this thread
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I suppose a "superpower" is something way way way stronger, EVERYONE will follow his order.
There are in this world just some MAJOR powers, although some MAJOR power like USA is WAY WAY stronger and has alot of "allies", but it is still just a MAJOR power.
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yeah you are right... a super power would have 99% of the world countries at its beck and calll but as you have clearly seen in iraqs case some countries strongly disagree with america and the U.S wouldnt dare to challenge india china russia france and the uk on serious desicions if any 2 or any 3 were strongly for or against the desicion without atleast two powers backing it up therefore it cant truly be called a superpower but it is a major power with capabilities beyind any other major power.
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The U.S. is absolutely a superpower. Any nation that can project it's power and presence in 7 seas simultaneously day in and day out for decades at a time, is a SUPER POWER. Any nation that can fend off an invasion of any combination of conventional forces is a SUPER POWER. Any nation that can make war half way round the world and keep at it for years at at time, is a SUPER POWER. Normal average nations, even those that are "strong" cannot do the things I mention above. That's why the term "super power" is reserved for the U.S. and the U.S. ON-LY.
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"Any nation that can project it's power and presence in 7 seas simultaneously day in and day out for decades at a time, is a SUPER POWER."
decadesssss??? america has only been in control of all 7 seas for 12 years and even now they cannot control all the seas yes they are powerful but you exaggerate too much and i think that is because you are and american
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Even if you were correct ("12 years") that would still prove my point. Any nation that could control the 7 seas for "12 years" is a super power. Glad you understand.
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>ok if america is a super power why do so many countries reject it
Super power status does not mean that you will not be rejected. The Romans were rejected as well by some, doesnt mean they werent a superpower. Your logic is severely flawed.
> why does it seek world opinion before doing anything?
Being a superpower entails certain responsibilities. You can't just FORCE people to do things all the time or else you will not be a superpower anymore. You're being naive.
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well if you were a proper super power the people would not reject you in the first place and i know this is a bit of the subject but the romans were NOT a super power.
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ok do you even know what a super power is it is a vastly powerful state. yeah sure they were but there was also the german empire. the persian empire and the indian empire and other asian empires and so they are either all super powers but i think theyt were all just major powers noit super powers.
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Yeah lets get back to the subject of how mal-informed you are about what a superpower is and how it states in the super power "rule book" that a super power must be liked by all or else it is not a super power lol!.
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ok i admit i was just trying to get a point across but tha tis useless now. this thread is getting boring. i am not going to post many messages now this subject is old and stagnant. im outgunned and outnumbered anyways.
wassup everone hope you all doin well see ya laterz.
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I would like to see more bases belonging to America closed and troops sent home. In other words, let many of the nations who now rely on protection from America spend more on defense.
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Let me bring a little reality into this thread.FACT:the USA,at present is the MOST powerful nation,in the world,militarily,politically,and economically.Never in the history,of the world has one nation been as dominant,in relation to other nations,in the world.If thats not a superpower I don't knoiw what is.Some of you have a very skewed idea of what is the formula for superpower status.
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"Let me bring a little reality into this thread.FACT:the USA,at present is the MOST powerful nation,in the world,militarily,politically,and economically.Never in the history,of the world has one nation been as dominant,in relation to other nations,in the world.If thats not a superpower I don't knoiw what is.Some of you have a very skewed idea of what is the formula for superpower status."
Reality Check!!
- Ten years ago, after the Soviet Union Collapsed; when Uncle Sam tells other nations to jump, each and every nations responded How High! Fast forward to present; when Uncle Sam tells other nations to jump; each of the big nations tell you American to Phucker Off! Well, I lied; each of the big nations except the British dog who liken to licks American balls! ROFLMAO
- Never in history; have we see such a bright Superpower being washed out, only sustained a limited 60 years of glory! Some Superpower, LOL! Even our Shiita Song Dynasty lasted longer then your 60 years of Eagle Score! Haa! Haa!
Don't worry Dragon,if China manages to stay one country for the next 50 years(doubtful),you'll get your chance.
Oh yes,one little story for you,I have a friend who is a finance manager for a Honda dealership,here in Louisville.He won a trip to Japan,because of their dealerships sales numbers.They had 3 extra days so they went to China.He said it was night and day difference between Japan and China.The hotel they stayed at,only had water for half the day as it was being rationed,do to a shortage,alot of the food on the menu wasn't available and there were oxcarts on the street!There was unimaginable poverty right next to nicer buildings.The building codes were horrible(their hotel door,wouldn't shut all the way,due to the frame being warped).But what he found to be almost funny was the machine,in their hotel lobby,that reads your forehead(for a temperature,due to the SARS epidemic)had HONEYWELL on it! An American made machine is checking for fever,in China?Whats wrong Dragon?...haven't back-engineered that technology yet?! ROFLMAO!! LOL...LOL..ROFLMAO!
BTW,they only stayed two days in China,and didn't stay for the third.
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"Don't worry Dragon,if China manages to stay one country for the next 50 years(doubtful),you'll get your chance."
- Interesting; for China is the longest continuous civilization that have lasted 5000+ years! Are we head rush to break up and going the way of Yugoslavia in the next 50 years! I don't think so! ROFLMAO
- When your mighty Eagle Score for the next 500 years, then come back and talk shop with us Chinaman; Newbie! ROFLMAO
"Oh yes,one little story for you,I have a friend who is a finance manager for a Honda dealership,here in Louisville.He won a trip to Japan,because of their dealerships sales numbers.They had 3 extra days so they went to China.He said it was night and day difference between Japan and China.The hotel they stayed at,only had water for half the day as it was being rationed,do to a shortage,alot of the food on the menu wasn't available and there were oxcarts on the street!There was unimaginable poverty right next to nicer buildings.The building codes were horrible(their hotel door,wouldn't shut all the way,due to the frame being warped).But what he found to be almost funny was the machine,in their hotel lobby,that reads your forehead(for a temperature,due to the SARS epidemic)had HONEYWELL on it! An American made machine is checking for fever,in China?Whats wrong Dragon?...haven't back-engineered that technology yet?! ROFLMAO!! LOL...LOL..ROFLMAO!
BTW,they only stayed two days in China,and didn't stay for the third."
- Care to tell which cities your friend stayed inside China; sure, there are plenty of back country and dirty poor area in China. We never say we are perfect and fully developed; but, there are plenty of Hick Village where Hill Billie lives in USA also.
- Have you been to your North Eastern Washington Capital, where run down housing complex are the norm; and young black man sitting on each street corners to peddle their drugs or teenage mom prostitute themselves? What is the matter, my wealthy American friend can't afford to feed and house all your poor? You wanting to see the dirty poor living in your wealthy land? I have plenty of picture during my travel across Eastern States; wanting to see Philadelphia, Queen or Brooklyn in NYC? How about the dirty poor Mississippi? ROFLMAO
- Given your small population base, and abandon Land mass; it is a national shame for you American can't even afford to have national health care! If we Chinese are blessed with your American land; we would have advance ten fold compare to what you have achieves at this stage! Dear me! LOL
ah i see i have a few supporters (mike) well paljoey no offence but have you evr done history? if you have then you would actually know that the US is not the MOST powerful state EVER because only a century ago the British Empire was existing and that at one point controlled 1.25 of the worlds land mass all from one tiny island about a third the size of california. that was a real feat. it held far more sway in the world than america does now. much more.
wassup see ya laterz.
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Um yes,I do have a very good grasp AND knowledge of history.The problem with your argument is the US has no France,Spain or the other European colonial powers to contend with.The US is the most powerful nation in the world in " relation " to its peers,that the world has known,from a military,economic and political standpoint.Also I might add,the US isn't/wasn't a colonial power.If America WANTED colonies,historically speaking,of course,it would have them.For example,at present,the US Navy alone,comprises some 53-55% of the worlds total naval power,alone.Since the USSR collpased,the US is the pre-dominant power.
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Actually the USA was a colonial power, and technically still is. The Phillipines and Hawaii were the two largest American colonial posessions; only Hawaii was incorporated formally into a province. The US still holds various Pacific islands and Guantanimo Bay, not to mention Puerto Rico.
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Diunei,true,to an extent,however,the US could have made much larger inroads in South America and Asia,than it did.,but inheirently felt that colonialism,at its core was evil.Because,the USA possessed colonies,it was hardly a colonial " power ",in the sense of the word. The holdings of said colonies didn't " pay " for themselves,and were more out of a strategic neccessity,than material gain,for the US.Hawaii,also voted to become a state,officially.The British ,French and Spanish empires were MUCH larger and benefitted their respective nations much more than the US's did.
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"An Invasion through Canada into the US would become a disaster, they are the only country that does not follow their doctrine, unpredictability and innovation is what scares the russian bear" - Russian Infantry Officer shortly after the cold war
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- Me heard, IQ Bush is going to dump ASScroft; is that true!
No Wonder This Dude Got A Great Voice, He Swear To Three Bible At The Same Time! Triple The Effects, Praise The Lord(X 3)! LOL
....... Let The Eagle Soar, Let it S-O-A-R Some More! LOL
........... Look like ASScroft is going to do singing for the rest of his career! Me love American; only happen in America, a singing Attorney General!! ROFLMAO
