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Lion Head, Koizumi Visiting War Criminals Shrine ..... Is Illegal!

November 3 2004 at 2:41 PM
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- I have always wondered; why European will not accepts German to parade in Waffen SS uniform and to visit Hitler Grave! Yet, we Asian allows and accepts modern day Japanese to dressed up in Imperial Japs uniforms and to visit Yasukuni Shrine?

- Is this the way for Japanese to repentance for her WWII sins; by continue to makes mockery of her victims! Can anyone stand up and to explain to me for this double standards! Me wanting to know?


- Modern day Japanese dressing up as Imperial Jap, pranking yearly around in front of Yasukuni Shrine; only add insult to ten of millions of her victims! The silent is too long in waiting; it is time for Asian to speak out against these transgression by Japanese!

- One voice, one action; to let the Japanese knows, it is a shameful act... and illegal act, to continue their silent and not acknowledge WWII crimes!






Japan PM's shrine visit illegal




Koizumi has been to the shrine four times in three years
A Japanese court has ruled that Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's visits to a controversial shrine are illegal.

A number of war criminals are honoured at the Yasukuni shrine, which Mr Koizumi has visited four times since taking office in 2001.

A district court said that the visits breached Japan's constitutional separation of religion and state.

But Mr Koizumi said that he found the ruling "strange" and would go to the shrine again in the future.

"I don't know why it violated the constitution," he said.

Government officials have argued that Mr Koizumi's visits were made as a private citizen and therefore did not breach the constitutional separation of church and state.


YASUKUNI SHRINE

Built in 1869 to honour victims of the Boshin Civil War
Now venerates the souls of 2.5m of Japan's war dead
Those enshrined include 14 Class A war criminals


Japan's controversial shrine
The BBC's Tokyo correspondent says the Japanese public is divided over the shrine's symbolism, with vocal minorities on the right and left supporting and opposing the prime minister's visits.

'Fantastic'

The hearing in Fukuoka, southern Japan, concerned a visit made by the prime minister to Yasukuni in August 2001.

The case had been brought by 211 people, some of whom were relatives of war dead and other members of religious groups.

"This is a fantastic ruling that clearly acknowledges the prime minister's visit to Yasukuni as unconstitutional," said Tsuneaki Gunjima, leader of the plaintiffs, on Wednesday.

Chief Justice Kiyonaga Kamegawa ruled that Mr Koizumi had made the visit in his official capacity as prime minister.

Other groups have brought similar cases in the past, but this is the first time that a court has ruled against the prime minister.

However, Mr Kamegawa rejected claims for compensation from plaintiffs who said they had suffered mental anguish.

Last month, another district court threw out a case in which relatives of war dead had tried to stop Mr Koizumi visiting the shrine.

Scepticism

Neighbouring countries, who suffered from Japanese militarism and colonialism in the years before and during the Second World War, have frequently complained about Mr Koizumi's visits - the most recent of which took place on 1 January.

South Korea and China both made diplomatic protests, with Beijing's Deputy Foreign Minister Wang Yi expressing what he called "righteous indignation" on behalf of the people of Asia.

On Wednesday, a South Korean government official who did not wish to be named told Reuters news agency it was "difficult to imagine" that the ruling would put an end to the issue.

The China Daily, China's leading state newspaper, said in a commentary that Mr Koizumi's repeated visits to the Yasukuni Shrine had tied relations with Beijing "in a fast knot".

Among those honoured at Yasukuni are Japan's wartime Prime Minister Hideki Tojo, hanged for war crimes in 1948.

In earlier comments about the controversy, Mr Koizumi suggested it was wrong to "comment about another country's respect of its history, traditions or customs".


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November 3 2004, 2:43 PM 

i have a question

where the war criminals enshrined before the war ended or after?


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November 3 2004, 2:47 PM 

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November 3 2004, 2:56 PM 

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November 3 2004, 3:02 PM 



"sorry guys this is not on the subject but i have asked almost evryone and no one has replied plz reply.to this question. how do you get a picture on your signature?"


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November 3 2004, 3:18 PM 



@Lee

"where the war criminals enshrined before the war ended or after?"


- There are 14 Class A Imperial Japs War criminals enshrined inside Yasukuni, these are real hard-core bastard liken your Waffen SS commanders in Germany.

- The issues is more tricky then first you see; Yasukuni is the temple where the Japanese have hold their ancient warrior and worshipped their ancestor as such for a long time.

- What makes this issues so explosive; is that after WWII, when the allies hangs these Imperial Japs criminals(Liken Tojo The Dog,...etc) their ashes were also moved into this historical Yasukuni Shrine. For a long time, no Japanese PM will dare to goes visit and worship at Yasukuni War Shrine; until Lion Head(Koizumi) who have crossed that taboo line. At the time of Lion Head being elected; he is newbie and needed the neo-conservatives segment support for his government.

- What this translated; is that Lion Head can no longer back down to not visit Yasukuni because he have drummed the Japanese national pride and the current Japanese population will not support his back tracking on this issue!

- IMHO, the proper way to release the pressure and to remove this issues from current Japan vs China/Korea dead lock; is to removes the 14 bastard Imperial Japs ashes from Yasukuni, and allows Lion Head and future Japanese PM to visit their ancient ancestors..... while not worships and bow before Tojo the phucking dog!

- This way, it saved face for the Japanese; so that they can continue to worship their proud Samurai ancestors, with out worshipping Class-A mass murders! This will definitely improves the relationship of Japan with the rest of Asian neighbors.

- But, will the Japanese listen; this is another question, because they now are on a mono-track..... unable to back down, unable to admit to war crimes, unable to reverse the history text book white wash... without losing face.


PS: Can you imagine, the head of Germany PM were not allows to visit England for the last few years. This is what happened to Lion Head; he have been refuse entrance into China to officially visit since his Presidency! This is a laugh, consider Japan is China largest trading partner!






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November 3 2004, 9:46 PM 


- Just a sense of Asian outrage toward these Japanese; especially Lion Head!



Protest The Korean Ways! Finger Chopping!




South Korean protest


Twenty South Korean men chopped off their little fingers on Monday in a macabre public protest hours before Japanese Prime Minister Junichir? Koizumi visited a Tokyo shrine to war dead. Standing in pouring rain in front of the Independence Gate in Seoul, the men took it in turns to chop off their fingers with small guillotines laid on the ground after shouting slogans against Koizumiˇ¦s plan to visit the Yasukuni Shrine. The burly men, wearing black tee-shirts and headbands declaring they were ˇ§prepared to die to save the country,ˇ¨ laid their severed digits in a South Korean flag which was wrapped and then tied in a knot

Their maimed hands tended to and bandaged ˇV each man cut off one finger ˇV the men again shouted slogans without showing any sign of pain. A reporter for South Koreaˇ¦s YTN television said the men identified themselves as members of a martial arts group. But Korean martial arts authorities said they had not heard of the group and local news photographers who witnessed the incident told Reuters the men appeared to be gangsters, identifiable by their short-cropped hair and language. Cutting off a little finger is a method Japanˇ¦s ˇ§yakuzaˇ¨ mobsters use to atone for mistakes. The protest, triggered by Japanˇ¦s war-time atrocities in occupied Korea, failed to stop Koizumi from paying homage at Yasukuni. The shrine honors Japanese war dead, including convicted war criminals from World War Two

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- No apologies and acceptance of Dirty Imperial Japs war crimes; no true friend ship! Period, end of story!




A REAL SINO-JAPANESE RAPPROCHEMENT IN THE MAKING?

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By Eric Teo Chu Cheow

The recent Asian Cup finals in Beijing on August 7 could have constituted a watershed in Sino-Japanese relations and ironically launched a real rapprochement between Beijing and Tokyo.

To the horror of the Japanese audience, Chinese fans in the Workers' Stadium in Beijing drowned the Japanese anthem at the start of the game with shrilling boos. Then, when China lost 3-1 (including one controversial goal), hostilities broke out outside the Stadium; Japanese players and fans had to be escorted out by Chinese law-enforcement officers. These pictures were broadcast to the world, reportedly even stunning the Chinese leadership. The incident could have been perceived as Beijing having lost control over Chinese fans, thus projecting bad sportsmanship and an "unworthy" image, just four years before China holds its "showcase" Olympics in 2008. This image seems especially unwanted after China's recent star performance in Athens, with 32 golds, just behind the United States and ahead of Russia and Japan.

A Japanese diplomatic source recently indicated that Chinese ministers and officials have been making it clear to Tokyo (though embarrassingly) that it was not a deliberate official Chinese policy or attempt to support such an outburst of "ugly nationalism against Japan" during the Asian Cup finals. On the other hand, a Chinese diplomatic source suggested that China was itself fearful of rising nationalism on its soil, which apparently vented itself on Japan given its limited channels to do so in China under the present political context.

Chinese leaders could now perhaps be equally concerned that they may not be in full control of this rising nationalism, not only in China, but also in Japan, which is itself facing (in the eyes of the Chinese leadership) a real threat of "rising militancy." Both sides experienced this during the recent landing of Chinese activists on Senkaku/Diaoyutai islands. Nationalist sentiments almost came to a boil at that time, just as the two governments showed utmost restrain in resolving the issue expediently. The gap between the governments and popular sentiments has inevitably widened and there is now a common concern in both capitals that they may ultimately become hostages of public opinion and rising nationalism. (Possibly in a way akin to the May 4, 1919 incidents in China after the First World War, or the Sino-Japanese feud of 1930-1945, when Japanese militarists made use of popular Japanese nationalistic sentiments to launch the Second World War and garner popular support within Japan against China.)

It is beyond doubt and fully recognized that "economic enmeshment" between the two Asian giants has progressed enormously in the past years, as Japanese investments and manufacturing capacities flock to China for obvious economic reasons. However, some observers see clear limits to Deng Xiaoping's "economic enmeshment" theory (which was originally to be applied to Hong Kong and Taiwan), especially with the current mammoth exhibition in Beijing and Hong Kong to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the birth of paramount leader Deng Xiaoping.

The conventional wisdom propounded by Deng was that economic enmeshment and increasing people-to-people exchanges should fuel political rapprochement and tie societies and peoples even closer together. However, the reality of the situation today is that socio-economic rapprochement may also need political will for it to be effective, especially when history continues to play such a determining factor in inter-state relations. The decision to have Japan's tourism advertisements in China not feature Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi because of the latter's persistent visits to the Yasukuni Shrine, is a good example of such will. On August 15, Beijing again expressed disappointment with some Cabinet Ministers (though not Koizumi) for visiting Yasukuni, asking that this tradition be terminated, as long as fourteen "Class A criminals" from the last War are interned in Yasukuni and not removed. The LDP had actually planned a release two years ago, but those plans were stalled thanks to the rising anti-Chinese feelings in Japan at that time. Despite the economic enmeshment between Beijing and Tokyo, the two countries are still very far apart politically. Yasukuni, Senkaku/Diaoyutai and the apologies issues will constitute this political barrier, which harks back to the paramount place that history continues to play in this part of the world.

But this economic enmeshment has also provoked certain problems, fears and concerns within Japan vis-?vis China. Although the latter currently enjoys booming trade and even a small trade surplus with China for the first time last year, there have been concerns of increasing Japanese job losses as its manufacturing capacity shifts to China. Unemployment is a powerful specter that hangs over every developed economy today, but mixed with nationalism and the threat of unresolved history, this Sino-Japanese economic enmeshment may indeed also contain the seeds of potential social problems or disruptions. The 100-yen shops in Japan underscore this point further (although consumers do indeed benefit from cheaper Chinese goods), just as Chinese illegal immigrants remain a real social issue in Japan. This is especially true at a time when Chinese triads are now reportedly competing with the Japanese yakuza to "gain territory" and control gambling, "certain trade," pachinko and other "concessions" in sections of Shinjuku in Tokyo. In daily life in Japan, China still poses a threat in their socio-economic psyche, just as Beijing raises political and historical fears and vice versa.

As China's foreign reserves rise to an almost estimated US$600 billion versus Japan's US$800 billion, competition and rivalry will inexorably increase. China has already indicated that it would no longer need Japanese Official Development Assistance (ODA), just as Tokyo decides to re-deploy its ODA towards India. With rising Chinese international prestige, Japan would also need to equally seek China's concurrence to join the prestigious United Nations Security Council (UNSC) club as a permanent member. Some hard bargaining between the two Asian giants can be expected here. China can be expected to ask for a greater voice and role within the Asian Development Bank (ADB) in exchange, just as Haruhito Kuroda, Advisor for Financial Affairs to Koizumi, is now tipped to become the next ADB President. China could also try to impose certain limits on Tokyo's participation in the American-led Theatre Missile Defense (TMD) framework, especially in the present charged-up ambience over Taiwan and cross-Straits relations and after Tokyo's constitutional revision, which now allows peace-keeping operations beyond Japan's territorial boundaries.

Sino-Japanese rivalry will intensify in the region, especially in Southeast Asia. The on-going talks for an ASEAN-China Free Trade Agreement by 2010 and its recent spectacular hosting of the Third International Conference of Asian Political Parties or ICAPP, as well as leaders of Malaysia, Philippines and Thailand to Beijing testify to Beijing's tremendous efforts in building up its presence within the Asia-Pacific region. Elsewhere in Southeast Asia, China has begun a charm offensive and even a dollar diplomacy, like the recent Chinese US$400 million loan to finance the high-speed link between Manila and Clark (a former U.S. airbase and today, a growing logistics hub for the Philippines). In return, Manila has most probably agreed to conclude a defense cooperation with Beijing (despite Manila's own defense alliance with Washington). Even more pertinent would be the growing rivalry between Japan and China in the Greater Mekong Sub-Region (or GMS), where increasing Chinese financial clout would challenge Japan's role in the regional economies of Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Myanmar.

It is significant to remember the 1995 gestures of Japan's socialist Prime Minister Murayama in signaling political rapprochement and professing Japanese apologies to South Korea and Southeast Asian countries. However, Japanese sources have always blamed the stalled rapprochement with China on the showdown between former Chinese President Jiang Zemin and ex-Japanese Prime Minister Obuchi in Tokyo during the former's visit to Tokyo, when an apology drafted by the Japanese government was deemed "insufficient" by Jiang. After the incident, Beijing accused Tokyo of not being sincere in apologizing to China for its past atrocities. Jiang probably has personally experienced the horrors of the Japanese invasion (he was a student in Shanghai). It is hoped that the fourth generation of leaders will perhaps be less emotional with Japan and take a more off-handed relationship with Tokyo, as most of them have not lived through the harsh realities of "Imperial Japan's expansionist war." Nationalistic sentiments unfortunately continued to rise on both sides after the Jiang-Obuchi episode till today, but based on latest indications, both China and Japan may now be intent on reducing this nationalistic flare-up with perhaps a real rapprochement in sight.

Indeed, recent changes in China's diplomatic representation to Tokyo (which could have also been a direct fall-out of the Asian Cup fiasco in Beijing) could signal the beginning of a rapprochement between Beijing and Tokyo. Wang Yi, a Japanese speaker and specialist, who headed the Chinese delegation to "six-party" talks over Korea, is now the new Chinese Ambassador to Tokyo. The appointment is perceived by Tokyo as an "upgrade" of Sino-Japanese relations and perhaps a signal of better times to come. Hopes are high in the region for an East Asian Community one day and a budding Sino-Japanese rapprochement could definitely help restore confidence to the region and pave the way towards this end.


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