- I still remember the long raping and killing of Indonesia's Chinese population during their purge of Chinese population; now these shameless Indonesian are begging for weapons! Should China help them? Hmmm!
China, Indonesia look for ways to boost military ties
JAKARTA (AFP) Nov 05, 2004
Indonesia and China on Friday discussed defence cooperation, exploring ways for Jakarta to obtain new arms supplies as the Southeast Asian country struggles to rebuild military ties with Washington.
Visiting Chinese State Councillor Tang Jiaxuan said he had met with new Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, discussing broad bilateral issues including defence cooperation.
"We held talks on defence cooperation and we have agreed to increase cooperation and consultation on security," he told reporters.
The United States halted most military-to-military contacts with Indonesia after Jakarta's troops ran riot in East Timor during a 1999 independence vote. US legislators say abuses must be accounted for before ties can resume.
US officials have repeatedly expressed disappointment at the outcome of Indonesian tribunals to try military, police and civilian officials accused of atrocities linked to East Timor's violent separation from Indonesia.
Separately, Foreign Minister Wirayuda said Jakarta hoped from the talks China could "provide ways to help (us) rejuvenate our weaponry."
Tang, who is due to hold separate talks later with Vice President Yusuf Kalla, top security minister Widodo Adisucipto and foreign minister Hassan Wirayuda, said he was "satisfied" with his meeting with Yudhoyono.
President Hu Jintao's also extended an invitation for Yudhoyono to visit China, Tang said, adding that the two leaders could possibly hold separate bilateral talks at the November 22 to December 1 ASEAN summit in Laos.
Indonesia's relations with Beijing were put on ice after Jakarta accused the Chinese Communist Party of backing an abortive coup blamed on the Indonesian Communist Party in 1965.
In a sign of dramatically improved relations, former president Suharto, who rose to power after the coup attempt and outlawed communism in Indonesia, visited Beijing in 1991. Suharto stood down in 1998.
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November 6 2004, 9:23 AM
I think we should not help indonesia; rather we should sanction that shiithole of place. What they did in 1998 is so appalling that I can only think of some backward african countries doing this sort of barbaric acts. They are still a bunch of barbaric morons.
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November 6 2004, 9:30 AM
@Hawksss
"I think we should not help indonesia; rather we should sanction that shiithole of place. What they did in 1998 is so appalling that I can only think of some backward african countries doing this sort of barbaric acts. They are still a bunch of barbaric morons."
- I have the same comtempt for these Indonesian as you; I don't believes Chinese needed to help them arms, until they have fully apolozie and put their raping criminals in jail.
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November 6 2004, 9:49 AM
Actually you will NOT be settling any disputes in the main forum. You can take any disputes either to Chat, Suggestions & Complaints, Flame War or private e-mail, but NOT the main forum!
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November 6 2004, 10:10 AM
An admission of their involvement, and sincere apology, from the Indonesians should be a precondition before even contemplating selling weapons to Indonesia, let alone buying things from them. And Beijing should put them on notice that if something similar happens again, they will be attacked by the PLA.
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November 6 2004, 10:09 PM
- Hmmm, me is glad; all my Comrade agreed with me, we should not sell or aids these Indonesian to weapons! No basstard monkey criminal in jail; no arms support, and we needed to give them a hard warning! Next time monkey shows; we sent the PLA to hunt them down.
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November 7 2004, 5:19 PM
If the PLA can get there in the first place,and I don't see China getting any amphibious capability able to have them project troops into Indonesia within the next decade anyway.Possibly from 2010 onwards,definitely from 2020 onwards China will have the amphibious capability to project it troops to Indo,but not currently.
besides,why should China care?I thought it disavowed all Chinese outside of China sometime in the 1960s?
btw,perhaps such an action will serve to confirm the fears about China harboured by a large minority of people,that it is a hegemonic power in nature?
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November 7 2004, 5:37 PM
If the PLA can get there in the first place,and I don't see China getting any amphibious capability able to have them project troops into Indonesia within the next decade anyway.Possibly from 2010 onwards,definitely from 2020 onwards China will have the amphibious capability to project it troops to Indo,but not currently.
Capabilities is not the question, because China certainly has the amphibious, parachute and missile forces to strike Indonesia if Beijing choose to. The question is whether it would be wise to risk dropping the guard against Taiwan seperatists.
besides,why should China care?I thought it disavowed all Chinese outside of China sometime in the 1960s?
As I recall, the treaty called for Chinese people in Indonesia that previously had dual citizenship, to be treated fairly if they renounced their Chinese citizenship in favour of Indonesian citizenship. I will try to dig up the more precise text for you, but nevertheless the faith of the agreement was violated, if not the terms outright.
btw,perhaps such an action will serve to confirm the fears about China harboured by a large minority of people,that it is a hegemonic power in nature?
That would be more like a self-fulfilling prophecy due to provocations. It's just like Indonesians complaining about Western interventionism, when East Timor declared independance, Indonesians tried to massacre the Timorese and then Australia led a UN-backed intervention force.
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November 9 2004, 4:40 AM
"I have the same comtempt for these Indonesian as you; I don't believes Chinese needed to help them arms, until they have fully apolozie and put their raping criminals in jail"
last time i heard the goverment/official even denied it that there were raping,killing....
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