Gotta Love Good old Winston ... So was the Tommy gun really the 'prototype' for the Thompson Sumb Machine gun used during ww2 that the US Forces used?
I know the UK and CommonWealth Forces (Canada, Australia, New Zealand) used the Sten and the Germans used the MP40
what did the Italians,French, Polish, Russians use?
"An Invasion through Canada into the US would become a disaster, they are the only country that does not follow their doctrine, unpredictability and innovation is what scares the russian bear" - Russian Infantry Officer shortly after the cold war
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"An Invasion through Canada into the US would become a disaster, they are the only country that does not follow their doctrine, unpredictability and innovation is what scares the russian bear" - Russian Infantry Officer shortly after the cold war
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The Tommy gun wasn't the 'prototype' for the Thompson sub-machine gun it WAS the Thompson sub-machine gun. They are exactly the same weapon. The US Army used a straight magazine with no forward grip, while in the early days of the war the British tended to use the traditional drum magazine, with the forward hand grip. But the Thompson sub-machine gun is a 'Tommy gun'.
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Americans used the Thompson A1 SMG and the "Greasegun", both of which were .50 caliber weapons. Germans used the MP-38 and MP-40 for the most part. Russians used the PPSh-41 and the PPS-43 mostly. Brits used versions of the Sten. Italians had excellent SMG's produced by Baretta.
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Umm... yes, they are almost equal but .45 is a bit bigger which have heavier punch than German standard 9mm. Anyway someone mention about "Greasegun". Greasegun was develope because it's cheaper and easier to manufacture. Top simplity weapon in WWII. It fired .45 APC and also can be converted to fired German standard 9mm.
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You guys are right of course. Don't know where my brain was when I posted that! .45 caliber, like the Colt pistol.
The "Grease Gun", otherwise known as the M3/M3A1, was designed for mass production. The designers studied the British Sten and German MP-30/40 and came up with the design. General Motors participated in the design since they had a lot of experience with mass production. The Gun was mostly sheet metal stampings held together by rivets and welds. Only the barrel and breech block required any machining. It had a simple sight and was designed so you only had to replace the barrel and breachblock and it would be ready to fire 9 mm ammo!
It was a hideous looking gun, but was much cheaper to make than the Thompson (I read once where the Tommy cost almost 4 times as much to make!) and it worked. Thats about all that matters for a firearm in a major war of production like WW2. US troopers preferred the Thompson whenever they could get it, but the GreaseGun gained grudging respect as it acquired field experience. For a low-cost, mass produced weapon it was superior to the Sten or MP-40 in my opinion.
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