- What is your opinion; can both Israel and Arabs lives in peace and harmony, or these two people have too much hatred for each other, the war must continue? What is your opinion, specially from the Middle Eastern friends.


Or should we just nukes Jerusalem and kill every one on that damned place; let God sort out who is right and who is wrong? Who own what, and who done the wrong......etc!







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the two sides came very close when barak and arafat met in the later years of the clinton administration. If I were bush, I'd appoint clinton as special middle east envoy to try to resolve this crisis.

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"the two sides came very close when barak and arafat met in the later years of the clinton administration. If I were bush, I'd appoint clinton as special middle east envoy to try to resolve this crisis."

- How very true, Old Baastard Arafat now in comma must review and regret coming so close to settle peace with the Jews; yet, old hatred die hard and unable to bring forward a peace deal. What a Shame, it could have been a moment where all parties can be proud!

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Permit me to say that I am deeply moved.

I wish to thank each and every one of you, who have come here today to take a stand against violence and for peace. This government, which I am privileged to head, together with my friend Shimon Peres, decided to give peace a chance -- a peace that will solve most of Israel's problems.

I was a military man for 27 years. I fought as long as there was no chance for peace. I believe that there is now a chance for peace, a great chance. We must take advantage of it for the sake of those standing here, and for those who are not here -- and they are many.

I have always believed that the majority of the people want peace and are ready to take risks for peace. In coming here today, you demonstrate, together with many others who did not come, that the people truly desire peace and oppose violence.

Violence erodes the basis of Israeli democracy. It must be condemned and isolated. This is not the way of the State of Israel. In a democracy there can be differences, but the final decision will be taken in democratic elections, as the 1992 elections which gave us the mandate to do what we are doing, and to continue on this course.

I want to say that I am proud of the fact that representatives of the countries with whom we are living in peace are present with us here, and will continue to be here -- Egypt, Jordan, and Morocco -- which opened the road to peace for us. I want to thank the President of Egypt, the King of Jordan, and the King of Morocco, represented here today, for their partnership with us in our march towards peace.

But, more than anything, in the more than three years of this government's existence, the Israeli people has proven that it is possible to make peace, that peace opens the door to a better economy and society, that peace is not just a prayer.

Peace is first of all in our prayers, but it is also the aspiration of the Jewish people, a genuine aspiration for peace.

There are enemies of peace who are trying to hurt us, in order to torpedo the peace process.

I want to say bluntly, that we have found a partner for peace among the Palestinians as well: the PLO, which was an enemy, and has ceased to engage in terrorism. Without partners for peace, there can be no peace.

We will demand that they do their part for peace, just as we will do our part for peace, in order to solve the most complicated, prolonged, and emotionally charged aspect of the Israeli-Arab conflict: the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

This is a course which is fraught with difficulties and pain. For Israel, there is no path that is without pain. But the path of peace is preferable to the path of war.

I say this to you as one who was a military man, someone who is today Minister of Defense and sees the pain of the families of the IDF soldiers. For them, for our children, in my case for our grandchildren, I want this government to exhaust every opening, every possibility, to promote and achieve a comprehensive peace. Even with Syria, it will be possible to make peace.

This rally must send a message to the Israeli people, to the Jewish people around the world, to the many people in the Arab world, and indeed to the entire world, that the Israeli people want peace, support peace.

For this, I thank you.
by Late Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin's on November 4, 1995.



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we should nuke that land mass as soon as possible....the only reason christians support israel is because they believe christ will reappear in palestine in the last day..Muslims have their own reason for supporting arabs ... it all started when the Islamic general Saladin kicked the christians out of palestine ...it was the 13th crusade....The only solution is to do humanity a favour and nuke the shyt outta that place.

according to clinton, arafat nearly won 90% of what he was asking for and ehud barak (sp?) gave in to demands that were illiciting anger among many israeli government personnel. the two men could have made history.

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Even if Yaser Doggy Arafat had accepted Barak proposal it would not end the
fighting.

The palestinians want all the land, we see all the land - Judea ,Samaria , most of Syria, all Jordan and half of Iraq(until the river) as parts of
the Land Of Israel.

The fighting will end only when they arabs will understand that they can not
destroy us, the irony is that it will happen only while Israel will be bigger
(both in PPL and in territory).

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interesting view dan. just curious, are you saying that the fighting would not have ended despite a signed treaty between the two sides? which side in your opinion would have perpetuated (continued) the violence? are you saying that hamas and islamic jihad would not have cooperated or are you saying a new israeli administration after barak (such as sharon) would have not abided by the agreement because it gave away so much?

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"Judea ,Samaria , most of Syria, all Jordan and half of Iraq(until the river)"

That's a lot of shiit you know. Best of luck in getting all that land.

I am not an expert on Middle East history but weren't Iraq and Syria originally inhabited by the Babylonians?  And weren't the Babylonians the ancestors to the Arabs?  Furthermore, what evidence, archeological or otherwise, is there of an established Jewish civilisation in those parts of Iraq?

just curious, are you saying that the fighting would not have ended despite a signed treaty between the two sides? which side in your opinion would have perpetuated (continued) the violence? are you saying that hamas and islamic jihad would not have cooperated or are you saying a new israeli administration after barak (such as sharon) would have not abided by the agreement because it gave away so much?


The fighting would not end because any peace agreement will demand huge concessions from both side.
Israel is democratic state, so in the end, any thing that elected leader wants to do he will do. You can not say this on the Palestinians.

Assuming that the Palestinians will have moderate leadership and that leadership will sigh peace agreement that will not allow refugees to return, those refugees will not obey to the peace agreement and will continue to fight.

The history learn us that the Palestinians will not fight those people, so Israel will have to do it - end of peace.

This is only one example but there R more: water, religion, unstable regimes and so on.

The continuation of the fighting will allow Israel to capture more parts of the Land Of Israel.

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That's a lot of shiit you know. Best of luck in getting all that land.

haha,
I understand your doubts, i am talking about the future, more few decades.
Israel PPL is too small for controling all this land.


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I am not an expert on Middle East history but weren't Iraq and Syria originally inhabited by the Babylonians? And weren't the Babylonians the ancestors to the Arabs? Furthermore, what evidence, archeological or otherwise, is there of an established Jewish civilisation in those parts of Iraq?

Abraham , as much as i know, born in Iraq.
The Land Of Israel is from the "Euphrates and the Tigris to the river of Egypt."
There is debate what is the river of Egypt , some saying Al- Arish river other saying the Nile.

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Dude, but that's not justification. Can you, dan, trace your family line, back to the times when your family left the Middle East? I don't think so. Maybe, ONE person in the million or so ancestors you have from diaspora period was a Hebrew, and then married a European (but remained Jewish because you gotta become Jewish to marry a Jew), whose kids married Europeans, whose kids married Europeans.....................

What you are saying is like the Chinese claiming India cause India is the land of Buddha. I mean, Chinese got nothing to do with India, except for fact that they are Buddhist. And being of a certain faith doesn't make you of a certain race.

Yasser Arafat is dead; RIP!

- Now the Middle East struggle fall into a new generation of PLO and Jews. Lets hopes the new generation of leader from both sides, have more common sence as to the last generation of leaders!


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Let's get one thing straight, the Jews have no place in those lands. They left, remember? They were gone. Why did they not return when the Turkish sultan granted them freedom? Of course, they got used to the lush lifestyle of leeching off of europeans.

"Let's get one thing straight, the Jews have no place in those lands."
Agree

"They left, remember? They were gone."
The Jews or the Hebrews? Yeah, the Hebrews left, and mingled into the gene pool of wherever they went, so the Jewish race dissolved.


"Why did they not return when the Turkish sultan granted them freedom?"
Because they were well established in Europe. Their ancestors had also seen the fall of Rome, the invasions of Huns, the coming of Christianity, the medieval times, the renaissance, the industrial revolution, etc. You are a Christian, that doesn't mean your homeland is Jerusalem, because faith has nothing to do with your background.


"Of course, they got used to the lush lifestyle of leeching off of europeans."
You mean, they were superior to the average guy off the street, and flourished despite the discrimination they faced.




"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all,"..........Thomas Jefferson, commenting on factionalism in the world.

man, i am soo liberal on religion it doesnt even matter to me anymore.

They have caused more damage than they have caused good.

I wish that all humans live natural lives, no phony sh*t. Therefore this manipulation must end.

The Jews were expelled, they had no choice but to leave.
They did start to come back when the area was but of the Ottoman empire, but they needed to know they would be safe there and not at the hands of another people wanting to persecute them. If any of you know european history the jewish people have been murdered and expelled from most countries in europe. The reasons,
jealousy because they are hard workers and can make money,
people were scared as the jews were different,
someone to blame there own problems on, and I could go on.

The jewish people have been an asset to European countries for a long time but in the late 1800 they saw it was time they had to look after themselves as no one else would. So became the First Aliyah 1882-1903