How can it be stopped? Is genocide the only answer? Or are there more ethical and efficient ways to accomplish this? And is this terrorism a legitimate and predictable response to non-Islamic policies? Or is it part of a broader campaign against "heretics?"
Your thoughts would be encouraged but please remain civil.
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I believe the European reaction is being tooken the wrong way by many non Europeans.
I believe it is not the RISE of Islam that is irritating europeans. I believe it is the RISE OF ISLAM in EUROPE that irritates them. Moreso, I would be very mad if people come to my country, learn, study, then go back to theirs build waeapons and try to destroy me. However smart, that is not good and I can totaly agree with the Europeans.
You cant stop the rise of Islam. You can weaken it by discouraging their economy and encouraging your people to take a more progressive stand point. The enemy of Islam is Progressiveness.
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Is genocide the only answer?
No, genocide is killing all muslim. I dont think it will be necessary.
Or are there more ethical and efficient ways to accomplish this?
Today there is no legitimate and efficient way to fight those terrorist.
In the near future, after more and more western states(mostly EU) will
taste those terror attacks, measure that look brutal today will be
legitimate in the future.
Such effective measure can be Expelling muslim ppl out side the countries and making separation between non muslim and muslim.
I am talking about full separation- no trade, no economic relations no tourism and so on.
This measure sound impossible today but i think this is the only effective way if we do not want nuclear missiles start flying in the air.
“How can it be stopped? Is genocide the only answer? Or are there more ethical and efficient ways to accomplish this? And is this terrorism a legitimate and predictable response to non-Islamic policies? Or is it part of a broader campaign against "heretics?"
Your thoughts would be encouraged but please remain civil.”
Interesting question. Although I will remain civil about it, I would most certainly say that the question itself is any thing but civil.
To prevent any kind of terror, you have to see what is the issue that sparks off the acts. You also have to ask yourself what constitutes terror. Why is Hamas’s use of missiles against illegal occupying Israelis a terrorist act, but the use of much more powerful missiles by the Israelis that have killed allot more civilians is not considered a terrorist act? Also, who are the terrorists? Are the Iraqis fighting an occupying army terrorists, while the occupation forces who have murdered, raped and tortured so many civilians not terrorists?
Was Al-quaida not a terrorist organisation when the west was training and arming it and getting it to carry out attacks against the enemies of the west, but as soon as it turned against the west it became a terrorist group?
The fact of the matter is that “terrorism” occurs when a militarily weaker side is being oppressed, and there are no political or diplomatic methods of addressing the problems.
About 1 in every 4 people in the world are Moslem, and unfortunately these people haven’t given much importance to arming themselves against outside enemies, and therefore the foreign enemies have been able to exploit these people and oppress them for their own greedy ends. There has not been any political avenues that the Moslems have been able to use to settle their grievances, so the only other way left for them was to turn to violence to get their rights back.
The question should not be how to stop Islamic terror, but how to stop terror against the Moslems; after all it wasn’t the Palestinians who invaded Israel, it wasn’t the Chechens who invaded Russia, and it wasn’t the Iraqis who invaded the U.S. Moslems rights have been trampled upon for such a long time without anyone objecting or any civil way of settling the violations, that allot of the Moslems see their only chance of having their rights restored is through the gun, and one can hardly blame them!
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“believe it is not the RISE of Islam that is irritating europeans. I believe it is the RISE OF ISLAM in EUROPE that irritates them. Moreso, I would be very mad if people come to my country, learn, study, then go back to theirs build waeapons and try to destroy me. However smart, that is not good and I can totaly agree with the Europeans.
You cant stop the rise of Islam. You can weaken it by discouraging their economy and encouraging your people to take a more progressive stand point. The enemy of Islam is Progressiveness.”
Very interesting also, the fact of the matter is that when the Islamic countries were leading the world is mathematics and Sciences, the Europeans sent their people into the Islamic countries to learn and return back to help advance their countries. I don’t see what is wrong with the Moslems doing exactly the same thing that the Europeans had done in the Moslem countries before.
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Good responses Hadi. I hope you didn't take the question too personally.
As with other terrorism, dealing with Islamic terrorism needs both a carrot and stick approach. One needs to address the root cause that motivates that terrorism (for example, unequal distribution of wealth.) At the same time, there needs to be heavy punishments for crimes.
I feel China has dealt with its Islamic terrorism quite well, IMHO. The Chinese government addressed various grievences by pushing hard to reduce poverty and develop the economy; "affirmative action" programmes to bring more education to Uighurs (e.g. lowering entrance requirements for minorities); making it a law that an ethnic minority (usually Uighur) must be provincial governor of Xinjiang; never applying "One-child" to minorities; funding minority culture programmes; and discouraging Han males from marrying minority females. At the same time, when terrorist masterminds were caught, Chinese authorities played on extremist ideology by soaking their bullets pig lard and shooting them with those bullets; and other more cruel treatments. As a result, Xinjiang has been fairly quiet.
All of that to say, IMHO again, a multi-pronged approach can bring about a relatively peaceful solution, and hence more efficient.
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“At the same time, when terrorist masterminds were caught, Chinese authorities played on extremist ideology by soaking their bullets pig lard and shooting them with those bullets”
Well this is an idiotic idea that I have no clue as to where it originated fro, but if people think that Islamic ideology states that if you come in contact with swine flesh just before your death, then somehow this bars you from entering Paradise, then they are simply mistaken. Islamic ideology actually states that you will be jaded by the good and bad deeds that you do in this life, and that is the determining factor as what your fate will be in the next life, not if you have come in contact with swine flesh which was of no fault of your own!
In fact, sadistic and ignorant acts like this will only have one effect, and that is to radicalise the Moslems even further causing demands for more retributions!
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Hadi, do you at least agree that ISlam is rising because of the poverty issue? I know that christianity is declining because the people see no reason for faith.
In the other forum i went too harsh on muslims, becuase they really annoyed the hell out of me, especially turks, damn i hate turks.
Islamic terrorism is not easy to stop, you have to get rid of poverty and such radical thinking. Muslims need an education.
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Well this is an idiotic idea that I have no clue as to where it originated fro, but if people think that Islamic ideology states that if you come in contact with swine flesh just before your death, then somehow this bars you from entering Paradise, then they are simply mistaken.
I have heard otherwise. Similar tactics seemed to be used in Israel (settlers apparently have trained guard pigs!) and the Philippines.
Islamic ideology actually states that you will be jaded by the good and bad deeds that you do in this life, and that is the determining factor as what your fate will be in the next life, not if you have come in contact with swine flesh which was of no fault of your own!
If you caused the murder of innocent people and this is one of the stated consequences, then doesn't that mean it is directly their fault?
In fact, sadistic and ignorant acts like this will only have one effect, and that is to radicalise the Moslems even further causing demands for more retributions!
That is why I favour a moderate approach when possible, because you have to give people genuine hope that things can and will get better. At the same time, an extremist is usually not rational (think of Japanese kamikaze) and hence an example usually has to be made. And so far, in China at least, the multi-pronged approach seems to have worked; there haven't been any major terrorist attacks in China recently, and these extremists have gone on to cause trouble elsewhere.
But don't get me wrong, we Chinese prefer moderate win-win solutions.
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“Hadi, do you at least agree that ISlam is rising because of the poverty issue? I know that christianity is declining because the people see no reason for faith.
In the other forum i went too harsh on muslims, becuase they really annoyed the hell out of me, especially turks, damn i hate turks.
Islamic terrorism is not easy to stop, you have to get rid of poverty and such radical thinking. Muslims need an education.”
I totally disagree. Islam is in fact rising because human beings need faith, they need some thing to believe in. More people convert to Islam than any other religion in the world, especially in the west.
“Islamic Terrorism” has nothing to do with poverty or lack of education as they make out in the western media. The fact of the matter is that if someone was constantly punching you in the face, you will get annoyed and lash out regardless of you being literate or illiterate, rich or poor. They keep making out in the western media that the “Islamic terrorists” are somehow jealous of the people in the west, the only thing is that they forget about people like Osama Bin Laden, who is highly educated and a multi-millionaire. This guy could have lived like a King, why would he have been envious of the average American, who has to work long hours so to have enough money to put food on the table? Perhaps he wasn’t envious and was full of hate because of the injustices that the U.S government has carried out all over the world, and especially against Moslems.
Also, this “Islamic terror” hype in the west serves a specific purpose, which is to create fear in the public mind so to easily force harsh measures on the population that otherwise wouldn’t accept such measures. The role of “Islamic terror” used to be filled by Communists, which allowed the politicians to scare the people so to adopt unnecessary things, like spending hundreds of billions of dollars on buying weapons to “defend” your country or bringing in intrusive laws like the "patriot Act". This defence budget made allot of money for the rich factory owners (who pay for the election campaigns of the politicians), and cost the average taxpayer allot and the taxpayer usually lost out on other social services and welfare programmes so to “defend” his country!
This very scenario is being played out right now in a massive scale in the U.S!
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“I have heard otherwise. Similar tactics seemed to be used in Israel (settlers apparently have trained guard pigs!) and the Philippines.”
Trust me on this, I’m a Moslem!
“If you caused the murder of innocent people and this is one of the stated consequences, then doesn't that mean it is directly their fault?”
Yes it does, and that is a big sin in Islam, but these people are not really thinking of Islam, they are usually desperate people having little choice and committing desperate acts, after all what is a Palestinian supposed to do when his land is occupied, his family members murdered, with no political means of addressing his grievances, and the world sits idly by and the U.S supplying the Israelis with all the weapons they want?
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You people need to get some Muslim friends or something, visit a mosque or two. Don't be talking like those know-it-alls on CNN, lol. These folks ain't talking Jihad or Allah every second sentence or something.
Muslim countries got INEPT leaders, that can't do shiit. They find some scapegoat or the other, to divert criticism from their people.
India's got 140 million Muslims, LARGEST MUSLIM POPULATION, you won't find Indians running around with Osama Kicks Yankee Butt shirts.
Another thing, is the level of civilization. Look at Arab, Pashtun, Turkish history BEFORE they became Muslim, they were still very war-like. It is just that their energies have today molded together under Islam, and they have not progressed at all.
Folks of the sub-continent are naturally pacific, that's why it was so easy for puny pricks like England to conquer us. It takes a LOT to fire us up.
Make the Arabs Christian. Actually, what am I saying, those Arab Christians of Lebanon were no less terrorist than Hizbullah durin the civil war. There is actually one Hindu Arab tribe surviving, in Jordan. EXTREMELY WAR-LIKE. There are Hindu Pashtuns surviving in Afghanistan, in an area called "Kafiristan". Same thing.
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I dont see how Osama is a terrorist......I think he is a great man...
what would you chinese indians etc etc do if a foreign power attacked your nation ? of course you would take up arms and kick your enemy's butt so hard...by any means neccessary...
it is the same concept here....
Americans nuked Hiroshima and mass-murdered German civilians in WWII... Is it considered a crime ? Yes.
Germans mass-murdered the jews in Europe ? is it a crime ? yes.
Pakis rape Indian children near the boarder area with India...is it a crime ? yes.
Chinese annex surrounding territories by bribing the local people and killing the opposition. is it a crime ? yes.
Osama kills 2000 people in the US. is it a crime ? yes
The US and the UK support dictators in the middle east and interfere in issues that are not their concern....is it a crime ? yes.
You see...i could keep on going till the middle of the next morning...This is what this world is all about...
You can not escape it. You have to face it. We can not and will not be able to live peacefully together. branding a group of people as "bad guys" is stupid.
I say you are the terrorists...The Americans Chiense Indians are the terrorists...Osama bin laden, Adolf Hitler, Benito mousilini, Joseph Stalin and Yamamoto were/are great heros.
but when You have a better propoganda machine and you can alter the public opinion through mass media then it makes Osama bin laden a bad man....Adolf Hitler Bad...Kerry good....Chirac good....but Bush bad...
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I know that christianity is declining because the people see no reason for faith.
Uh no. On the contrary, Christianity is the fastest growing religion (and this is in terms of converts, not of parents like in Muslim countries brainwashing their children to worship).
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bar genocide,time and an whole lot of patience is the way to go imo.
Islam,whether muslims agree or not..is the most hated religion on the planet,india,USA,europe,south america,russia etc etc has got a problem with this agreesive religion.With the rise of china and india and the recovery of Russia happening during the next decade..Islamic extremism will become a minor problem.
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The problem with Islam is it tends to be an intolerant religion. In some countries where it has been practiced by the majority religious minorities were treated with less political rights. In Turkey where my family came from non-muslims had to pay added taxes. The alleged reason for this was non-muslims were supposed to not have to be in military service, but they ended up in "work batallions" anyway! So, they paid more taxes and they got they didn't realize all the nations benefits.
The issue many folks have with Islam is it's strict conservatism in many cases. Of course, there are very strict Christian sects as well, but they don't push their intolerance on the people around them. They just practice it themselves. Some ultra-orthodox Jews are similarly intolerant like fundamentalist Muslims.
Islam needs to address it's core problems with intolerance, militarism and extreme conservatism. If it doesn't, it will not be a religion that will be practiced much longer in this century-except in backwards countries. My opinion.
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I would say christianity + Judaism + islam are all the same crap....But it has been a common belief that Christianity is a "peaceful" religion....peaceful religion my rebel cock ...check these verses from the holy bible and tell me what ye think.
Numbers 31:17-18. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Numbers 31
35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.
36 The half share of those who fought in the battle was:
337,500 sheep, 37 of which the tribute for the LORD was 675;
38 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the LORD was 72;
39 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the LORD was 61;
40 16,000 people, of which the tribute for the LORD was 32.
2 Samuel 4
12 So David gave an order to his men, and they killed them. They cut off their hands and feet and hung the bodies by the pool in Hebron. But they took the head of Ish-Bosheth and buried it in Abner's tomb at Hebron.
2 Kings 2
23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!"
24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD . Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.
Exodus 13
14 "In days to come, when your son asks you, 'What does this mean?' say to him, 'With a mighty hand the LORD brought us out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
15 When Pharaoh stubbornly refused to let us go, the LORD killed every firstborn in Egypt, both man and animal. This is why I sacrifice to the LORD the first male offspring of every womb and redeem each of my firstborn sons.'
16 And it will be like a sign on your hand and a symbol on your forehead that the LORD brought us out of Egypt with his mighty hand."
Numbers 25
17 "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them,
18 because they treated you as enemies when they deceived you in the affair of Peor and their sister Cozbi, the daughter of a Midianite leader, the woman who was killed when the plague came as a result of Peor."
Ezekiel 21
3 and say to her: 'This is what the LORD says: I am against you. I will draw my sword from its scabbard and cut off from you both the righteous and the wicked.
Deuteronomy 22:13-18
If a man takes a wife and, after laying with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, 'I married this woman but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,' then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. The girl's father will say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity.' Then her parents shall display the cloth with before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him.
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yes...go to church everyweek and kiss the cross like your kissing arse...
I would say Islam is more peaceful than christianity...
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Thats all Old Testament stuff. Most Christians abide by the New Testament.
There have been times in history-during the Crusades, for instance-when certain Chistian sects like the Roman Catholics were intolerant and militaristic. But that was 1000 years ago. Much of Islam today is as intolerant and aggressive as the Catholics were back then.
I don't profess to be an expert on Islam, but from what I've seen in many societies that are majority Moslem is intolerance for many things that are accepted in the west. Aggressive intolerance. I don't think that kind of mindset is compatable with a modern, technological, western nation. Iran has all the capability of being a major player in the world, but they have a bunch of extreme religious kooks running the country. Thats why young Iranians are moving away from the revolutionary fervor and extreme Islam. They want to live in a country with modern beliefs and a good chance to become a leading modern nation.
Extremism in religion is self-defeating. It's not compatable long term with mans desire to be free and to realize his full potential. My opinion.
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"Thats all Old Testament stuff. Most Christians abide by the New Testament."
yeah but they are part of the bible arent they ? hahaha
All religions are intolerant.....not just islam in particular...
Religions are just a tool for politicians to advance their interests....if we are critisizing religions we should critisize all of them together...what you hear is little or no concern to me....the religion itself should be discussed not what you hear from CNN or Xinhua or what you see in a village in pakistan...different people havedifferent interpretations of ther faith...so you cant judge the religion just like that....the only reliable source is the "holy" scriptures..like the verses that i provided in the former post....
To me...All religions are evil...whether it is christianity or islam they are all the same shyt but have different colors...
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“The problem with Islam is it tends to be an intolerant religion. In some countries where it has been practiced by the majority religious minorities were treated with less political rights. In Turkey where my family came from non-Muslims had to pay added taxes. The alleged reason for this was non-Muslims were supposed to not have to be in military service, but they ended up in "work batallions" anyway! So, they paid more taxes and they got they didn't realize all the nations benefits.”
Islam itself actually calls vigorously for Moslems to defend the rights of the oppressed people, whether they are Moslem or not. Islam is the most tolerant religion that I have ever studied, the thing is that Turkey hardly is a Model Moslem country, why should the narrow minded approach of the Turkish government reflect on Islam when it has nothing to do with Islam?!
Also, Islam calls for the “middle Way”, that is to say that Moslems should not act in a radical manner that harms the people around them. In fact, if you look at the history of Islam and Christianity, you will see that Moslems have been allot more tolerant of None Moslems and have permitted none Moslems to live in their lands, while the Christians often killed none Christians, or even Christians that were not Christiana enough in horrific manners.
If any thing, I would say that people should take on more Islamic Ideas if they want to act in a more peaceful manner. The problem is that most of the “Islamic terrorists” have no Islamic objectives. Hamas is a good example. This organisation was created as a secular organisation with the objective of expelling the Israelis from their lands. They only side Islam when they want Moslems’ help, or when they try to justify some of their acts like Suicide bombings, the Japans used to use similar tactics when training their kamikaze pilots. The problem is that these groups are not Islamic and behave in an un-Islamic manner, and their objective is to free their land and not to defend Islam, yet the mainstream press labels them an “Islamic terror” group! I hope you can all see the problem with the false news that fills the press in cases like this, and how it shapes the minds of simple people who have little to no idea as to what Islam represents.
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“Thats all Old Testament stuff. Most Christians abide by the New Testament.
There have been times in history-during the Crusades, for instance-when certain Chistian sects like the Roman Catholics were intolerant and militaristic. But that was 1000 years ago. Much of Islam today is as intolerant and aggressive as the Catholics were back then.
I don't profess to be an expert on Islam, but from what I've seen in many societies that are majority Moslem is intolerance for many things that are accepted in the west. Aggressive intolerance. I don't think that kind of mindset is compatable with a modern, technological, western nation. Iran has all the capability of being a major player in the world, but they have a bunch of extreme religious kooks running the country. Thats why young Iranians are moving away from the revolutionary fervor and extreme Islam. They want to live in a country with modern beliefs and a good chance to become a leading modern nation.”
The thing with Christianity is that it only exists in name. The fact of the matter is that God has instructed the Christians to behave in a certain manner, but whenever someone comes up with a new idea that differs with the Christian teachings, they change their religion and not the idea to fit with their religion. The new testament was also written by human beings, and is not the word of god, and should be taken with allot of caution, especially books such as that of John, who has written the Most about Jesus, yet he never had met him!
The thing with Islam is that we say that God instructed human beings to live in a certain manner, and those rules were meant for all human beings for all times; that’s why Islam will not be destroyed the same way Christianity and Judaism have. If some one doesn’t want to be a practicing Moslem, that’s their own choice, but they should not be able to change the religion to suite their lifestyle.
As for the case of Iran, People understand the true meaning of Islam better than most other Moslem countries, and practice Islam as it was originally meant, that’s why Iran has advanced so much and other Moslem countries have not. It is true that people have moved away from Politics, but Iranians are just as true Moslems as they have ever been.
Also, there is no such thing as “radical Islam”. Radicalism is against Islamic teachings. So you are either a Moslem, or a Radical, you cannot mix both. The reason why the media calls Iranians Radicals is the same reason they used to call certain people “radical nationalists”, and that is because they deviated from the interests of imperialist nations, not because they are actually Radicals.
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Good stuff Hadi. So it seems to me that everybody has to work together to defeat terrorism that is done in the name of Islam. IMHO, I think Moslem moderates have to speak up and unequivically disown those that commit acts of terror like Hamas. And since Hadi says Iran is a modern, advanced country (I have never been there but I will trust Hadi's word on this) then I think Iran has a good opportunity to further assume the leadership of the Islamic world.
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No one is trying to gratuitously bash someone else's religion, and if I've offended my Iranian friends then I am sorry. My experiences with Islam have been what my Greek ancestors had to deal with under the Ottoman Turks and Ataturk. They were treated like second hand citizens and called "subject peoples of the Ottoman Empire". Like the Armenians and Assyrians. Not Turkish citizens of Greek, Armenian or Assyrian ancestry but "subject peoples". They had to pay extra taxes for not being Moslem and we're not treated as fairly in Turkish courts and Turkish government offices. Thats a fact.
Also, the face most Americans see of Islam is Wahabiism of the Saudi's and the Taliban, women walking around in Burka's and getting accosted on the street by thugs if they show an inch of skin. In our modern western society thats anachronistic.
I understand that many young people in Iran are turning away from the Mullah's and their oppressive ways. Thats encouraging. In my view, religion should be confined to the Churches, Synagogues and Mosques. It should not be part of our government. It's meant to enlighten people, not to be a burden to living. At least thats the way I look at it.
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Diunei ma main man, the reason why the majority of the Moslems cannot speak out is that there is a huge injustice going on. How can the Iranians or any other Moslems condemn groups like the Hamas when they are being savagely oppressed, with the absolute support of the only superpower in the world, by a country that is much more powerful militarily, with no political or peaceful methods at their disposal to get justice. The reason why the majority Moderates do not condemn Hamas is simply because the Israelis have left no other way for Hamas in getting their rights back. This has come about because the international community is ignoring the Zionist atrocities, and the U.S is actively supporting the atrocities. What else would you expect from an oppressed Human being in the situation of the Palestinians? It’s the oppression, the lack of justice, the active support of the world community for the oppressors and the lack of diplomatic avenues in settling the problems that lead to groups like Hamas from forming! What would you do if you were in the shoes of the Palestinians, who had his land stolen, his family members tortured and killed, his community humiliated, with no one to get help from, and no political means of getting justice. I would bet you or any other reasonable person in their shoes would do exactly the same, regardless of your wealth states, your education background or your religion!
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I think it is human nature that if you remove all the good things in their life, then bad things like indiscrimminant killing aren't so bad. The Israel-Palestine conflict is a good illustration of this. If Israelis remove a Palestinian's dignity, family members and give no hope that things will get better, then this Palestinian has nothing to lose and can go about committing mass murder in Israeli city buses. At the same time, other Arabs must realise they must put their energies to better use than merely demonising others.
It's a chicken and egg problem, I suppose. But it's sad for the Arab world that many of their best and brightest are coming to places like Canada, France, Australia, etc.
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Hello everyone,this is my first post here. I would just like to say that religion is a source of problems. With so many religions, either mainstream or secular, and so many ways to interpret them, there are bound to be discrepancies between how one person interprets Islam persay, to another who also claims to practice Islam. This can apply for any religion. Don't get me wrong, I am personally religious to one religion, and that is the human religion. Religion has been a backbone to many wars, but all in all, it is not "god" that points to our enemy and tells us to shoot them, bomb them, kill them, etc. I've been noticing in these posts that people are defending their given religion very rigourously. Religion is a blind following of something that "God" said way back when. "Religion" these days seem to be used as reasons to kill other people. Don't get me wrong, I am not a pacifist, but it riles me up when people use religion as a excuse for war. There is no way to stop Islamic "terrorism", nor is there any way to stop the American "threat". It's all about money and power, and whoever gets in the way of one's quest to these will always be deemed as a "terrorist".
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