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China Ends Su-27 License

November 23 2004 at 9:12 PM
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According to the report of the Russian news website mosnews.com on 2 November, China has suspended the production of Su-27SK fighter jets under their Russian license, Russia’s Vremya Novostej newspaper reported on Tuesday, Nov. 2. According to Chinese military officials, these planes no longer satisfy the requirements of the Chinese Air Force.

The license to produce 200 fighter jets was purchased by China in 1996. The conditions of the contract stipulated that the jets would be assembled at Chinese plants using Russian components. The value of the contract amounted to $2.5 billion. However, after assembling 95 jets out of the planned 200, the Chinese side addressed the Sukhoi Construction Bureau with a request to stop deliveries of the assembly kits. The request was made in May, and neither side disclosed the reasons for the contract being suspended.

Vremya Novostej quoted a source in the Russian delegation at Airshow China-2004 that opened on Monday, Nov. 1, as saying the Chinese side had requested the Su-27SK fighter jets be equipped with additional guided anti-ship missiles. However, this model of fighter jets was not designed to attack targets at sea.



Representatives of the Sukhoi construction bureau presented the new model of Su-27 fighter jet — Su-27SMK at the airshow. This plane could satisfy all the Chinese requirements, because it is equipped with guided “air-to-sea” missiles. However, it is unclear whether this new modification of Sukhoi jet will be delivered to China in the near future.

Date Last Updated: 6 November 2004





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November 24 2004, 1:03 PM 

This is typical of Russian military equipment that are better on paper than anything the west has to offer! That's why China that cannot get anything from the US, wants EU military embargo be lifted!


    
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November 24 2004, 4:58 PM 



"This is typical of Russian military equipment that are better on paper than anything the west has to offer! That's why China that cannot get anything from the US, wants EU military embargo be lifted!"


- Sorry, this temporary stopping of Su-27 License is because of excessive inventory at hand; plus also, China and Russia is currently re-negotiate this contract for a more advance version of these Su-27 for Navy strike role.

- So, keep your wet dream alive; for we are still building and buying more SU planes.

- As to your comments about European deals; it is not a big deal, for the European lifting of arms deals will only pressure the Russian to lower their price. While, European will never sell their top of their line stuffs to us anyway; it is only a political moves to play against the Russian for a better price points.

- What the West or the Russian don't sell us, we can either invented at home; or we can buy them from other sources. Liken the Tomahawk Missiles, TOW anti-tank missiles, Exocet Missiles....etc. Haa! Haa!



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November 24 2004, 5:13 PM 



""- As to your comments about European deals; it is not a big deal, for the European lifting of arms deals will only pressure the Russian to lower their price. While, European will never sell their top of their line stuffs to us anyway; it is only a political moves to play against the Russian for a better price points.""

Thats a bad analogy dragon Russia knows that Europe wont sell you there best and Russians know you'll look to them for arms cause the U.S. ain't going to sell you weapons. So there's no political move. dragon you need to go back to the commie forum and you need to sweet them for giving you false info.


""- What the West or the Russian don't sell us, we can either invented at home; or we can buy them from other sources. Liken the Tomahawk Missiles, TOW anti-tank missiles, Exocet Missiles....etc. Haa! Haa!""

Yes you can diffenitly do that if you find someone willing to risk there own chances of not getting arms from the west if there cought selling secrets to the Chinese.

But I like your determination dragon to sound logical.

 
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November 24 2004, 5:25 PM 



"Thats a bad analogy dragon Russia knows that Europe wont sell you there best and Russians know you'll look to them for arms cause the U.S. ain't going to sell you weapons. So there's no political move. dragon you need to go back to the commie forum and you need to sweet them for giving you false info. "


- Sorry to tell you; it is only a matter of time, when the French and German will be able to over come the rest of EU arms blocking. For the French and German are most happy to makes our Chinese money. We have a saying in Chinese, Money talk..... BulllShiiita walk! Well, I lied; actually, our Chinaman Mumbo Jumbo is "Money can get the Ghosts to turn the grinding wheel!" I thinks your English man version; sound better, then our Chinaman version! ROFLMAO




"Yes you can diffenitly do that if you find someone willing to risk there own chances of not getting arms from the west if there cought selling secrets to the Chinese."


- Yeah, me also heard our Paki friends more then willing to loan us one of their F-16 plane for evaluation; alone with the Egyptian who allows our scientist for a very close and personal inspection of the M1 tanks and her armors! ROFLMAO

- Also, me also very much heard the Jews are most interesting in our Chinaman money; for they have being selling all her top missiles and RADAR into our camp! You fat American feed the Jews, with money and technology; and the fat Jew feed us Chinese with weapons and technology! Money talks..... Bulllllshiita Walks! Haa! Haa!


- And please tell, how did we get a piece of your F117 Stealth Fighter, and the Tomahawk system? Oops! Our Red Bird Cruse Missile is very much the same as your Tomahawk system; just why is that? Haa! Haa!


"But I like your determination dragon to sound logical."

- Yeah, continue to watch your Fox and CNN news; it gives you American great insight to be dumb and stupid! Yooo knows that the World is passing USA by, and you American don't even knows it! Haa! Haa!


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November 24 2004, 5:40 PM 

""- Yeah, me also heard our Paki friends more then willing to loan us one of their F-16 plane for evaluation; alone with the Egyptian who allows our scientist for a very close and personal inspection of the M1 tanks and her armors! ROFLMAO""

Very old bird we have moved on to next generation. Have fun with used blow up doll. LoL


""- Also, me also very much heard the Jews are most interesting in our Chinaman money; for they have being selling all her top missiles and RADAR into our camp! You fat American feed the Jews, with money and technology; and the fat Jew feed us Chinese with weapons and technology! Money talks..... Bulllllshiita Walks! Haa! Haa!""

Yes I,m sure you have but them Jews are not to be trusted for they give you a rolex made of gold plate. Remember here in America the jew is the altimate fraudster so enjoy there toys.


""- And please tell, how did we get a piece of your F117 Stealth Fighter, and the Tomahawk system? Oops! Our Red Bird Cruse Missile is very much the same as your Tomahawk system; just why is that? Haa! Haa!""

Yes last generation technology if you remember f-117 was developed during the 1970's dam your a fool. Tomahawk same thing there 2 generations old missle you have. Dragon it's easy to copy but to develope your own is the bigger challange.
dragon I'm sure you mean will for the Chinese but you need to know your facts cause I believe you watch and believe in "cnn msnbc fox" to much. POOR dragon.

 
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November 24 2004, 5:50 PM 



"Very old bird we have moved on to next generation. Have fun with used blow up doll. LoL "


- Just don't sell your F-22 birds aboard; for we are very good at copy cat! Hell, we have copied all your movies, sound....etc! Haa! Haa!


"Yes I,m sure you have but them Jews are not to be trusted for they give you a rolex made of gold plate. Remember here in America the jew is the altimate fraudster so enjoy there toys."


- So far, our Jewish friends have delivered few of their top weapons system to us; thank you very much! And thank you for your American tax payer into the Jewish defense industries! Lavi or J-10.... Haa! Haa!


"Yes last generation technology if you remember f-117 was developed during the 1970's dam your a fool. Tomahawk same thing there 2 generations old missile you have. Dragon it's easy to copy but to develope your own is the bigger challange.
dragon I'm sure you mean will for the Chinese but you need to know your facts cause I believe you watch and believe in "cnn msnbc fox" to much. POOR dragon."


- This is where you are wrong, for an original ideas is hard to come by; but, to improves and to modified an existing and tested ideas..... this saved us millions of dollars, and years of development effort. Why reinvent the wheels, when the American already done it and consolidated her invention into your existing hard wares! We might see the last generation of American equipment; but, the fundamental concepts behind these equipment are still sound and valid! Therefore, any pieces of USA equipment we can get our hands on; is most valuable! Just liken your top of the line Spy Plane, who volunteer into your air field; and get systemically taking apart to see your top security spy equipment! Thank you, please accept our humble thank you for your American are most generous! Haa! Haa!



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November 24 2004, 6:00 PM 

Actually Llakos, China has successfully reversed-engineered the Tomahawk.  In 1998 when Bill Clinton ordered missiles strikes against the Taliban, a few Tomahawks landed in Pakistan unexploded and relatively intact.  Pakistan, of course, invited Chinese scientists to thoroughly inspect it and gave one to China.

 
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November 24 2004, 6:03 PM 

""- Just don't sell your F-22 birds aboard; for we are very good at copy cat! Hell, we have copied all your movies, sound....etc! Haa! Haa!""

Yes we know tell us something new ooh wise one.

""- So far, our Jewish friends have delivered few of their top weapons system to us; thank you very much! And thank you for your American tax payer into the Jewish defense industries! Lavi or J-10.... Haa! Haa!""

Again old plane have fun with it.

Jezz dragon btw do you like left overs too.

""- This is where you are wrong, for an original ideas is hard to come by; but, to improves and to modified an existing and tested ideas..... this saved us millions of dollars, and years of development effort. Why reinvent the wheels, when the American already done it and consolidated her invention into your existing hard wares! We might see the last generation of American equipment; but, the fundamental concepts behind these equipment are still sound and valid! Therefore, any pieces of USA equipment we can get our hands on; is most valuable! Just liken your top of the line Spy Plane, who volunteer into your air field; and get systemically taking apart to see your top security spy equipment! Thank you, please accept our humble thank you for your American are most generous! Haa! Haa!""

Ohh my god this fool must not be real am I sure i'm not talking to a BOT.
Dragon we know what can defeat that missle too you don't you don't even have a counter for the lastest generation tomahawk. Man you are a BOT.






 
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November 24 2004, 9:04 PM 

Where you at dragon asking other formers for advice. It must be a dragon thing.

 
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November 24 2004, 9:48 PM 



"Where you at dragon asking other formers for advice. It must be a dragon thing."


- Yoo, me is chatting on four different forums; there are plenty of Red Necks and Hill Billies required my Dragon butt kicking on line! You needed to wait for your turn; me knows your butt is itchy for Ol' boy to stamp on it! Please take a numbers, you get your turn and me will cane your assso real good! ROFLMAO


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November 24 2004, 9:56 PM 



"Again old plane have fun with it.

Jezz dragon btw do you like left overs too."


- If you considered Jewish Phyton missiles is old and outdate system; then you are more misguided then we give you credit! Haa! Haa!


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November 24 2004, 10:05 PM 


- Eat Your Heart Out, Mr. Cyclop! For your Jew friends are most willing to get our Chinaman money! ROFLMAO


- Come out and play, Mr. Cyclop; don't hide in your Santorum, come out and play with Ol' boy! Haa! Haa!



http://www.radioislam.org/historia/zionism/9601012.html


Special Report: U.S. Military Technology Sold by Israel To China Upsets Asian Power Balance

By Tim Kennedy

January 1996, Pages 12, 96



Israel's Lavi fighter-bomber was designed to be one of the deadliest weapons in the air. However, it now has been revealed that after Israel discontinued the largely U.S.-funded project, it sold China the plans for the Lavi and the associated secret U.S. technology. This has enabled the Chinese to build their own version of this new generation of fighter aircraft.

The illegal transfer of plans for the Lavi aircraft from Tel Aviv to Beijing first became known by the Pentagon when an American surveillance satellite orbiting over China spotted several new fighter planes on the runway of a Chinese air base traditionally used for the test and evaluation of prototype aircraft. Imagery experts at the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) created rough sketches of the jet, then processed the graphic data through high-speed supercomputers in order to obtain three-dimensional representations of the prototype Chinese fighter planes.

Stunning Images

CIA officials specializing in aviation technology were stunned at the 3-D images generated by the computers. China's newest fighter jet was in fact a copy of the Israeli Lavi, which itself was modeled upon the U.S. F-16 Fighting Falcon multi-role aircraft.

Although Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI), Israel's biggest state-owned manufacturer of arms and defense technology, was the Lavi's prime contractor, nearly 90 percent of the Lavi was funded by the Pentagon. This is just one astonishing aspect of the story of the U.S.-Israeli aircraft, the evolution of which was almost as Byzantine as its surprise ending as the most formidable weapon in China's military arsenal.

The Lavi program, as conceived in the early 1980s by Israeli military planners and their supporters in the Pentagon and Congress, was intended as an exceedingly generous gift from America to the people of Israel. The Pentagon never had any intention of including the Lavi in its own military aviation fleet.

The thinking among U.S. Defense Department officials was that the United States, having provided Israel for two decades with some of America's best fighter aircraft--including F-4 Phantoms, F-15 Eagles and F-16 Fighting Falcons--now should give the Jewish state the ability to manufacture its own state-of-the-art fighter planes.

It took American military officials very little time to decide which American fighter plane should serve as the model for the Lavi. They chose the F-16 Fighting Falcon.

The F-16 was--and still is--the American fighter plane most sought after by foreign governments. Compact and with a high-
ly maneuverable design, it has proven itself in air-to-air combat and air-to-surface attack.

General Dynamics, the prime contractor for the F-16, touts the Fighting Falcon as an "aircraft that provides a relatively low-cost, high performance weapon system...While operating in air combat role, the F-16's maneuverability and combat radius exceed that of all potential threat fighter aircraft. It can locate targets under all weather conditions and detect low-flying aircraft in radar clutter. In an air-to-surface role, the F-16 can fly more than 500 miles, deliver its weapons with superior accuracy, defend itself against enemy aircraft, and return to its starting point. An all-weather capability allows it to accurately deliver ordnance during non-visual bombing conditions."

Foreign military sales officials at the U.S. Department of Defense traditionally are tolerant of Israeli mismanagement of U.S. arms programs. However, as the delays, cost overruns and blatant moves by IAI to stamp "Made in Israel" on American-made Lavi avionics evolved, the Pentagon decided to terminate the program.

The U.S. Department of Defense therefore formally ceased sending money to Israel for the Lavi program in 1987, but only after American taxpayers had paid some $1.5 billion to fund the project. The interruption of cash flow effectively killed the program, but left Israel with two fully functional Lavi prototypes.

While the Lavi program was underway, China repeatedly initiated talks with U.S. government officials regarding purchase of the F-16. These requests always were turned down, largely because American defense officials feared China's possession of the F-16 could destabilize Beijing's relationships with its neighbors, specifically Taiwan, India, Russia, Japan, and the Philippines.

Unbeknownst to U.S. officials, however, at some point the Chinese also initiated talks with Israel. As a result, according to a declassified Air Force study obtained by the Washington Report, the Chinese version of the Lavi--which has been dubbed the
F-10 by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization--will be "built in large numbers" by the year 2003 "and will possess a radar-evading [read stealth] capability."

Currently, China's most sophisticated aircraft are domestically-produced copies of the Russian MiG-21 Fishbed fighter, a relatively slow, short-range day fighter which first saw service in 1956.

Morton Miller is a retired State Department intelligence analyst who formerly tracked sales to Beijing of other Israeli weapons, some of which also have involved illegal Israeli export of other sophisticated U.S. defense technology to China. He has told journalists that the close defense relationship between Israel and China dates back to the mid-1980s, and involves the transfer of "five billion dollars' worth" of U.S.-made computers, high-tech electronics and advanced manufacturing equipment used to create long-range missiles, nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction.

Ignoring these charges, the Israeli Ministry of Defense officially acknowledges that it is working with China to manufacture jointly an advanced fighter plane, but denies that any of the technology from the Lavi is used in the Chinese F-10. Nevertheless, IAI documents dating from 1985 credit the enormous role the Pentagon played in helping to build the Lavi, and acknowledge that "about 50 percent of the Lavi is built in the United States...The program is supported by the capabilities of no less than 120 American firms."

Pentagon sources revealed to the Washington Report that when U.S. Secretary of Defense William Perry confronted Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin with the allegations concerning transfer to China of U.S. stealth and other fighter aircraft technologies last year in Tel Aviv, Rabin promised to "resolve the issue." That was before Rabin's Nov. 4 assassination.

Requests to IAI by the Washington Report for further details on the Lavi technology transfer to China were stonewalled. "That's a story that's been going around for a number of years," said Lisa Gordon, assistant to the director of IAI's military aircraft office in Washington, DC. "We're just seeing it come around again," she said. "Beyond that, we aren't commenting on it."

The CIA, which for some time has been concerned about the increasingly close link between Israeli and Chinese defense industries, and the threat this alliance poses to world stability, has been similarly frustrated.

Former CIA director R. James Woolsey informed the U.S. Senate in late 1993 that he was "alarmed" by the military partnership between Tel Aviv and Beijing, and officially accused Israel of "illegally supplying China with classified defense technology from sources in the West."

Reading from a declassified CIA report while appearing before the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, Woolsey added: "We believe the Chinese seek from Israel advanced military technologies that U.S. and Western firms are unwilling to provide."

Woolsey revealed that Israel has been selling military technology to China for over a decade, and that the sales may amount to several billion dollars.

During subsequent testimony, Woolsey said the CIA is convinced China also is relying on its friends in Israel to assist in developing advanced engines for the next generation of Chinese combat vehicles. He said also that China will rely on Israeli expertise to create sophisticated airborne radar that employs super-secret technology that has been entrusted to Israel for another multibillion dollar joint project--production in Israel of the Arrow missile defense program which also has been funded largely by the United States.

"[These are] systems," concluded Woolsey in his testimony, "the Chinese would have difficulty producing on their own." Now it appears that, thanks to Israeli transfer of highly classified U.S. military technology, the Chinese have done just that, setting off alarm bells among China's neighbors, and America's allies, all around the rim of Asia.

Tim Kennedy is a free-lance writer specializing in military affairs based in Washington, DC.


    
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November 24 2004, 11:50 PM 

Why them basturds we must get them back . But how. Will send dragon.

 
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Ohh BTW we already know this pal.

 
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"Why them basturds we must get them back . But how. Will send dragon."


- Haa! Haa! Since yoo American is the bitch of the Jews; please continue to send your massive yearly tax money into the Jewish land! Me heard, pork belly politics is very good! Suck it up, Americano! Haa! Haa!


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November 24 2004, 11:59 PM 

Hay don't tease me remember I like pork and that pig looks good.

 
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"Hay don't tease me remember I like pork and that pig looks good."


- For a real bacon; me heard, last year..... yoo American pork over $10 billions into Israel in foreign aids. Is that true; when American are cutting back on social health care, yet the Jewish master race still gets a lion share of your tax money! Does that makes you proud! Haa! Haa!


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November 25 2004, 12:07 AM 

See I told you about them pesky zionist you want them will trade Taiwan for Israel you in.

 
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"See I told you about them pesky zionist you want them will trade Taiwan for Israel you in."


- Nah, Taiwan have Forex Cash Reserves of USD $160+ Billions; while your Jewish Masters have one massive headpain of 100+ millions suicidal Palestinians! Which is better; crazy suicidal human torpedoes or hard cold green bucks?

- We Chinese liken money; far more better then the Jewish issues! Thanks but no thanks! Yooo keep your Jewish problem to thyself! Haa! Haa!



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November 27 2004, 8:36 AM 

Russia has the Su-34, wich has great anti-ship capabilities, but I don't know if it is for sale or not.

 
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