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An American Sharp Shooter, Chase And Hunt Down Five Other American Hunters!

November 24 2004 at 7:27 PM
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- Wow, this guy is some Asian Rambo on a nutcase hunts! One against few white hunters and he shot his way out, scary nutcase!





Suspect, survivor differ
accounts of hunter slayings
Conflict began over shooting stand,
but what happened next is unclear
Chai Vang is being?held for Sunday's murder of?six hunters near Hayward, Wisc.
The Associated Press
Updated: 12:58 p.m. ET Nov. 24, 2004

HAYWARD, Wis. - The man suspected of shooting six hunters to death and a survivor agree that the tragedy began with a confrontation on private land. But they sharply differ on what happened next.

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Survivor Lauren Hesebeck told investigators Chai Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minn., turned around after a verbal exchange and started shooting his rifle from 40 yards away.

But Vang told Sawyer County investigators he began firing only after one of Hesebeck??s hunting buddies, Terry Willers, shot at him with a rifle from about 100 feet away and missed.

Vang, a Hmong immigrant from Laos, also claimed the hunters taunted him with racial slurs and warned him he would be reported to law enforcement for being on private land, according to a document filed Tuesday.

Hesebeck??s version, contained in the same statement, makes no mention of that type of language or verbal hostility, other than saying Vang used profanity at one point.

Divergent accounts
Hesebeck, who was released from a hospital Tuesday after treatment for a shoulder wound, told investigators Willers shot at Vang after Vang fired first but missed.

Both accounts agreed that Vang shot the others as more people from the deer camp arrived at the scene after Hesebeck used a walkie-talkie to call for help.

Vang said he continued firing as the group scattered, and at one point chased one of the hunters and shot him in the back, only to find the man had no gun, the document states.

Authorities have said there was only one gun among the victims. According to investigators, it??s believed Vang fired at least 20 shots.

Hesebeck told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis on Tuesday that much of what he has heard in news media reports about the incident is not accurate.

??A lot of it is not true,?? he said. ??But at this point, I just can??t discuss anything.?? Members of his family and another victim??s family had planned to talk with reporters Wednesday but canceled the news conference.

Sunday??s shootings occurred after Vang got lost while hunting, climbed into a tree stand on private property and then got into the confrontation with Willers and others hunting with him.

Victims on annual outing
The victims were part of a group of about 15 people who made their annual opening-weekend trip to the 400-acre property co-owned by Robert Crotteau and Willers.

Killed were Crotteau, 42; his son, Joey Crotteau, 20; Al Laski, 43; Mark Roidt, 28; Jessica Willers, 27; and Denny Drew, 55, all from the Rice Lake area. Terry Willers, Jessica??s father, remained hospitalized Wednesday in good condition.

Vang, an immigrant from Laos, was arrested about four hours after the shootings as he emerged from the woods with his empty semiautomatic rifle. Five people died in the woods; a sixth died Monday in a hospital. Two others were wounded.

There have been previous clashes between Southeast Asian and white hunters in the region. Hunters have complained the Hmong do not understand the concept of private property and hunt wherever they want. The tension once led to a fistfight in Minnesota, and a Hmong bow hunter in Wisconsin this fall reported having at least two white hunters point guns at him.

About 24,000 Hmong live in St. Paul, the highest concentration of any U.S. city. Hmong leaders condemned the shootings and offered condolences to victims?? families.

Hmong leaders condemn killings
??What happened in Wisconsin is in no way representative of the Hmong people and what they stand for,?? said Cha Vang, no relation to the suspect.

??We stand before you as representatives of the greater law-abiding Hmong community to unconditionally ?? unconditionally ?? condemn these atrocities.??

New details about Vang began to emerge Tuesday.

Military records obtained by The Associated Press show he spent six years in the California National Guard and earned a sharpshooter qualification badge. But his primary role during his time in the Guard, from 1989-95, involved clerical duties.

After his discharge, he spent two more years in the Individual Ready Reserve. His records also include a Good Conduct medal.

Circuit Judge Norman Yackel ordered Vang jailed Tuesday on $2.5 million bail. He ruled that evidence submitted to him was sufficient to hold Vang on suspicion of murder and attempted murder, pending the filing of formal charges.
? 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


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November 24 2004, 7:48 PM 

this guy is my hero!!!

May God Bless China!

 
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November 24 2004, 7:54 PM 

"this guy is my hero!!!

May God Bless China!"

yeah some hero, shoots one armed man, and then chases down and kills four other unarmed people including an unarmed WOMAN. Nice to know the kind of people you consider worthy of such a title.

This guy is scum.



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November 24 2004, 7:55 PM 

No. He was attacked by 5 armed men and he did it out of self defense. This is why americans are allowed to have guns: to pretect yourselves from these dumb scums and the government. He is a true american! Salute!

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November 24 2004, 8:02 PM 

Did you even read the fu<king article???

"Authorities have said there was only one gun among the victims. According to investigators, it??s believed Vang fired at least 20 shots."

One gun, meaning one armed man, four unarmed.

"Killed were Crotteau, 42; his son, Joey Crotteau, 20; Al Laski, 43; Mark Roidt, 28; Jessica Willers, 27; and Denny Drew, 55, all from the Rice Lake area."

Names of the dead, yeah Jessica is the name of a man alright... fu<king scumbag chased down and shot an unarmed woman.

I hope Wisconsin has the death penalty.


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November 24 2004, 8:12 PM 



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- Sorry, Comrade; I have to disagreed with you on this matter! I would not call this Hmong Laos hero; for we don't fully knows the circumstance for this shooting.

- Also, he have shot and kill one person by chasing and shooting him in the back! This is hardly self-defense when you chase down another human being and shot him in the back!

- What I see; is that Mr. Vang may be a trouble sole, who was brain damaged while inside the US military! For the USA military do truly turn out crazy killer from her army; normal human being are hard pressed to kills! Inside the army, they break you down and turn you inside out to be a trained killers; so, I would blame the USA army for this tragic incident!


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November 24 2004, 8:12 PM 

well, he did overreact if the accounts given were correct. But those guys should not have provoked in the first place.

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November 24 2004, 8:15 PM 



"well, he did overreact if the accounts given were correct. But those guys should not have provoked in the first place."


- Lets wait and see; let our friend "Time The Equalizer" to sort this matter out! If Mr. Vang acted in self-defense, then fine; but, if he over reacted and killed inocent people..... then he needed to be punish before the law! As simple as that!


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November 24 2004, 8:16 PM 

agree

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November 24 2004, 9:02 PM 

LoL two pathitic cowards applaud a murderer. LoL Losers I must be getting to you lil dragon.

 
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November 24 2004, 9:49 PM 



"LoL two pathitic cowards applaud a murderer. LoL Losers I must be getting to you lil dragon."


- Have you gone complete nutso; Mr. Cyclop? Since when did I applaud these hunters murders? Please explain thyself; or you are a lonesome loser who just wanting to flame bait Ol' me? Haa! Haa!


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November 25 2004, 5:36 AM 

Apparently the hunters made racist taunts such as "gook" and "chink". He has lived 25 years in the USA and served in the US army.

 
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November 25 2004, 6:24 AM 





"Apparently the hunters made racist taunts such as "gook" and "chink". He has lived 25 years in the USA and served in the US army."


- Being called a Gook, Chinky, Japs, Wop, Wet-Back, Baastard, Smelly.....etc; does not give you any special rights to take another human being life, let alone six! There is no excuse nor justification for this; unless it is for self-defense. This level of anger and outburst is crazy under any situation, let alone for a crazy minor verbal disagreement or for deer hunting!

- Also, this gun issues in the USA is gone crazy mad; where great many of American citizen are armed to the teeth, and guns are easy reach for all!

- In China, if Mr. Vang is found in the wrong for this serious crimes; he would be sentenced and shot within one week of the court day! And yes, his family would be charged .50 cents for the cost of the bullet use to carry out that sentence!



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November 26 2004, 4:03 AM 

"Being called a Gook, Chinky, Japs, Wop, Wet-Back, Baastard, Smelly.....etc; does not give you any special rights to take another human being life, let alone six! There is no excuse nor justification for this; unless it is for self-defense. This level of anger and outburst is crazy under any situation, let alone for a crazy minor verbal disagreement or for deer hunting!"

Nobody said it was justified. I'm merely describing the circumstances without making any kind of judgement. Vang also claims one of the hunters took a shot at him which missed and hit the ground 40 feet beyond where he was standing.


"In China, if Mr. Vang is found in the wrong for this serious crimes; he would be sentenced and shot within one week of the court day! And yes, his family would be charged .50 cents for the cost of the bullet use to carry out that sentence!"

Maybe the USA should outsource it's death row inmates to China seeing how cheap it is there. They could save a lot of taxpayers dollars.


 
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November 26 2004, 9:44 AM 

Very sad situation. I have no problem believing that this man was subjected to ethnic slurs by the redneck landowners. Unfortunately, he let his anger get the better of him and we have a tragedy.

You have to be careful when you're hunting in remote spots in the US. I had a similar situation nearly happen to me in northern Michigan. I ran into some hostile azzhole when I was out hunting by myself. I'd been invited up to hunt on private land that a friend of mine owned. Unfortunately, there were no fences and some of his neighbors were weirdo's. I ran into one while I was out and the guy was really hostile. I honestly was concerned I was going to get a bullet in the back as I walked away.

Never hunt by yourself-go out with buddies and make sure you all know where each other are. There are some borderline nutcases out there carrying high powered rifles who have no problem "offing" someone if they think they can get away with it.

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