One thing is for sure, no FBI, or any other law enforcement agency was involved.
Second, Network54 had nothing to do with the deletion as well.
So who did it? There are 5 possibilities.
1.POLIZEI= I'll let you deceide if I am guilty
2.Ahmed=He didn't even know how to ban a person, nor what the owner password was, so not him.
3.Dunei=Changed password the morning of deletion, sent it to me, and one other person.
4.Faz=Nope, he's been out of town for two weeks. So no way.
5.Mike Murphy=You have been paying for the upgrades, my understanding is that you had/have some type of access. You also have been fighting with Dunei and BA that has been ugly at the very least.
Of the five people above, I can say for sure that Ahmed, and Faz had nothing to do with this mess. I do not wish to have fights with any of you, I do my very best to stay neutral.
Mike, I don't understand why you, and Dunei can't make up, you two have been friends for a long time? Anyways, to who ever deleted the WAFF, I ask you to please put it back up, there are allot of people that are not aware of this site, and they will be lost. WAFF has been running for about 3 years, and I have been there for about 2.5 years, it would realy be a shame if everything is lost.
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3.Dunei=Changed password the morning of deletion, sent it to me, and one other person...
was the one other person an administrator?
4.Faz=Nope, he's been out of town for two weeks. So no way.
then who was logged in under 'Faz' who locked a thread in suggestions and complaints just before the deletion? also, I saw a 'faz, chat' thread authored by ahmed where 'Faz' responded saying he was on his way to chat...who was that?
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I don't know who the other person was, my guess was that it was an Admin.
As for the Faz login, all the Admins had access to the Faz login including myself.
We also had access to the Lunatic account as well including myself.
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I heard that diunei e-mailed dragon and told him he changed the passcode.. can you find out if this is true? if so, ask him if he gave that passcode to dragon..
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well you said he e-mailed 'one other person' and I'm wondering who that was.. someone said dragon was a recipient of an e-mail from diunei boasting of the password change.. dragon sidestepped my question about this earlier.
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"well you said he e-mailed 'one other person' and I'm wondering who that was.. someone said dragon was a recipient of an e-mail from diunei boasting of the password change.. dragon sidestepped my question about this earlier."</b>
- Sorry Mike, you are balking up the wrong tree; for Comrade Duinei have not sent me an email about to me about Lunatic password change.
- Polizer did informed me afterward about Comrade Diunei have make a password change during that day; because according to him, there were someone no supposed to be in the admin forum having access.
- So, don't tried your any trick to taint me in this smelly business! I don't knows of Lunatic Password prior to this incident; I came award of this password change issue, after Polizer have informed me yesterday ..... after the WAFF is deleted!
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some good news has come about.. BrotherAbdullah and dragon both have said that I opened gmf prior to waff being gone.. this is critical.
in chat, dragon repeated this statement and challenged me to provide proof of receipt from network 54 sent me a mail with a time and date as to when I got the upgrades...I responded that I would indeed e-mail that receipt..I sent it to mantis, pyhteus, ahmed... it was forwarded e-mail... the loss of waff took place over an hour before I bought those upgrades and according to russinapride, he was surfing gmf when it was without upgrades well after waff was down..so anyway, I called dragon's bluff and everyone in chat saw it.. as further prrof, I forwarded an e-mail I got well before gmf was upgraded...that e-mail was from dragon asking if I knew what happened to waff...both the e-mail from dragon and the e-mail from network 54 confirming my receipt of upgrade show that waff was gone well beofre gmf was upgraded.. so there goes the theory from dragon and BrotherAbdullah..again..poof!!! lmao.
p.s. dragon won't even admit that he said earlier today that waff was gone arounf noon his time.. he is silent..caught in his own bullsh!t rolling in it with BrotherAbdullah the brain damaged idiot.
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"some good news has come about.. BrotherAbdullah and dragon both have said that I opened gmf prior to waff being gone.. this is critical.
in chat, dragon repeated this statement and challenged me to provide proof of receipt from network 54 sent me a mail with a time and date as to when I got the upgrades...I responded that I would indeed e-mail that receipt..I sent it to mantis, pyhteus, ahmed... it was forwarded e-mail... the loss of waff took place over an hour before I bought those upgrades and according to russinapride, he was surfing gmf when it was without upgrades well after waff was down..so anyway, I called dragon's bluff and everyone in chat saw it.. as further prrof, I forwarded an e-mail I got well before gmf was upgraded...that e-mail was from dragon asking if I knew what happened to waff...both the e-mail from dragon and the e-mail from network 54 confirming my receipt of upgrade show that waff was gone well beofre gmf was upgraded.. so there goes the theory from dragon and BrotherAbdullah..again..poof!!! lmao.
p.s. dragon won't even admit that he said earlier today that waff was gone arounf noon his time.. he is silent..caught in his own bullsh!t rolling in it with BrotherAbdullah the brain damaged idiot."</b>
- Sorry Mike, I understand you take pride in small and petty snipes; for I am not interest to be part of your petty issue, nor can you press my hot button!
- As I have stated clearly on the forum chat; we are in the stage to collect evidents trying to find this rotton rats who deleted WAFF. Any information present by you is most welcome; and we will gather this information and present to the rest of the member for reviews. We let the community to judge, and we let the evidents to prove or disprove the one who deleted WAFF.
- So far, the information gathered this far have pointed to two members who have access to delete WAFF forum; and we are further to gather more information from all sources, we don't stop gather this information until a clear picture is reviewed.
- We are not interest in petty claim or counter-claim at this moment; for we are still in the gather information stage. You can continue to make empty remarks if you want; and we will respect your side of story.
- But, as I have said before; the real proves is from solid evidents, until we get all these information together and compared notes ...... why muddy the water by claim this or that?
Anyway, the following is our current focus!
Response From Network54 As To Why WAFF Is Deleted!
http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=44985&messageid=1109280522
Our Focus And Priority To Recover WAFF!
1. Restored the old WAFF through Network54.
2. Regroup and preserves as many old member as possible, via their email.
4. Find out the dirty bastard who deleted WAFF with his sick sense of humor.
5. ....... then as a community; we decided which direction to go, either create a new forum, stay at the old WAFF forum ..... etc.
- Any scumbag who is thinking of siphon off the WAFF membership at this moment while WAFF deletion is unclear is a dirty bastard ....... very low life, IMHO!
- The community as a hold, will not rest until this matter is properly clear!
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keep sidestepping dragon.. everyone saw how you were silent after issuing a challenge for me to send e-mail of the confirmation time in which i purchased the upgrades.. then you clammed up.. is this another glory grab by you attempt?.. I met your challenge and you were silent.. for once.. I sent the e-mail to ahmed and mantis and proved I bought the upgrades after, way after, waff was done... this after you claimed that I bought the upgrades before waff was gone.. and besides, I didn't have that passcode.. you said earlier that the waff was gone before noon.. I proved that I bought the upgrades at 2 something and russianpride verified when he saw gmf upgrades reappear...you then wouldn't comment and everyone privately said you were scum.
face it, you want to protect your 'comrade' diunei and the forum is your whole life..you depend on it to survive...you are grasping at straws and you owe me an apology.
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"keep sidestepping dragon.. everyone saw how you were silent after issuing a challenge for me to send e-mail of the confirmation time in which i purchased the upgrades.. then you clammed up.. is this another glory grab by you attempt?.. I met your challenge and you were silent.. for once.. I sent the e-mail to ahmed and mantis and proved I bought the upgrades after, way after, waff was done... this after you claimed that I bought the upgrades before waff was gone.. and besides, I didn't have that passcode.. you said earlier that the waff was gone before noon.. I proved that I bought the upgrades at 2 something and russianpride verified when he saw gmf upgrades reappear...you then wouldn't comment and everyone privately said you were scum. "</b>
- As we all knows, I don't side step nor do I back track my statement. As I have stated during the forum; the one eye witness have seen the WAFF being deleted at around noon time and he have seen the GMF upgrade were already in place. This is the statement this person have email to me; I am repeat this information as I have heard it! I don't needed to side step nor to back track on my statement; for I am just relating the comments from this eye witness while the WAFF is being delete.
- I don't claim nothing at this moment; I make a statement as I gather the source of information, and I post this question to you .... so that we can hear your view and your side of the story! Nothing more, nothing less; a question for clarification does not mean we frame up on you. If you are not the one who delete the WAFF; then you have nothing to be worry about our question, and you don't needed to be defensive about it!
- As I have stated number of time; we currently is still gather information. When and if all these evident are gathered and solid proves is provided to pinpoint the rat, then you will knows it when I come out to point finger. So, far; there are two candidate that have the motive and access to delete WAFF. This is what we knows at this stage; so why you needed to play up this macho defense is beyond me? Do you have something to hide, why not allows the process to complete and just wait for truth to be out?
- I have told you before; we will be open book and not hide any thing from all members. This included any evident and supports for pointing out the rat. We will try to find the truth, that is the bottom line!
<b>"face it, you want to protect your 'comrade' diunei and the forum is your whole life..you depend on it to survive...you are grasping at straws and you owe me an apology."</b>
- I wanting to protect Comrade Diunei as much as I wanting to protect MikeTheMurphy; the reason is simple, an innocent man should not be wrongfully tainted. Whether you believes me or not; but, I will try my best to get solid leads and to present to all member for review. So, a little patience is in order; why rush the process?
- Like I have say before; the most reliable source to prove or disprove a rat ...... is the source log from Network54. For most computer system, there is a daily transaction trace log, which generally capture useful information liken IP address, User Id, day/time stamp, action liken removes ....... etc.
- This is standard computer procedure, and if we can obtain this information from Network54; then the truth will be reviewed. This transaction log will tell us, when WAFF is being remove, by which Admin ID, by which IP address, and at what time frame this action is taking place ..... etc.
- Also, this transaction log will review; when the GMF is upgrade in relation to when WAFF is deleted.... etc.
- You see, this is not a empty buff; when I told you there is a systemic ways to flood out the rat on the computer system ..... these are very standard computer tracing operation we do all the time in my computer career!
- Mike, my advise is to give it a rest; for you are going in circle and to defense each and every accusation and rumors from the members. The best and most solid way to clear your name and to flood out the hidden rat; is from the reliable tracing log from Network54.
- Unless Network54 unwilling to release this information to us; then we are stuck! But, if Network54 does release this information to us; then all will be reviewed, and there is nothing anybody can hide or try to spin their way out!
- Get it now, Mike? You may be very good at what you do as a dog trainer; but, when it comes to computer, I am very good at what I do as a programmer! There is no black box, or black magic about this; all is very logical and tracerable.
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fact is dragon, quite a few 'eyewitnesses' pointed out to a large number of chatters last night that the upgrades were not in place at gmf until well after waff was gone...fact is, you have been making asumptions based on nothing..you have not a shread of evidence pointing to me and you know it...
you said that I was 'getting desperate' and 'trying to hide something' in your forum so you are clearly wanting to point the finger at me....it is crystal clear.. even the greeks are e-mailing me and laughing at you
you categorically stated that waff was gone at around noon your time on the day it hapened.. you repeatedly asked when I bought the upgrades and said this was crucial.. you challenged me to forward the network 54 e-mail confirmation for the time I purchased the upgrades... I sent it to mantis and ahmed...I also sent a mail that you sent which was well before I bought the upgrades..that mail you sent asked if I knew what had happened to your beoved home..known as waff...both mails are a timeline of proof...I am tired of your bashing dragon.. I didn't pay for this forum to make it your detective agency.. let network 54 compile the proof or someone neutral.. you are not some detective and you are just making an ass out of yourself.. take your inflated ego elsewhere..
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*** fact is dragon, quite a few 'eyewitnesses' pointed out to a large number of chatters last night that the upgrades were not in place at gmf until well after waff was gone...fact is, you have been making asumptions based on nothing..you have not a shread of evidence pointing to me and you know it... ***
- Well, that is good; and this is the reason why we post the question! We don't just believes one source of eye witness, that is why we post this question in the open to hear the other side of the story; and to gain further insight into this matter! You are a policer dog trainer; you should knows that standard police investigation don't just listen to "one" side of the story and ignore the rest of leads. Like I keep telling you; we are in the information "gather" stage, and we have yet to come to a conclusion as to "who is the rat", so don't get all tits hard about any rumors, questions ...... etc. Don't fall into a viscous cycle of defense and counter-defense; not at this stage, let get all the evidence then there is a time to cross examine these evident.
- Tonight, Policer is going to put up more tidbits of evident for all to see; this may or may not proves conclusive of the rat ..... but, this is the normal process to bring out information, hopefully which may lead to the real conclusion.
- So, again; so far, the information I have seen .... it pointed to two person who have the motives and access to delete WAFF. There is yet conclusive evident to point to one single person as of yet! So, relax and take your family out for a walk ..... etc; don't get yourself all bent out of shape at this moment. If you did not delete WAFF; then all you needed is to sit tight, for your name will be clear. Belief me, we will do the best to protect all party in this regards; I thinks you Westerner have a motto called "Innocent Until Proven A Rat" or something like that! ROFLMAo ;)
*** "you said that I was 'getting desperate' and 'trying to hide something' in your forum so you are clearly wanting to point the finger at me....it is crystal clear.. even the greeks are e-mailing me and laughing at you" ***
- My remarks about you getting desperate for your deletion and lock down of GMF forum yesterday. If you don't have anything to hide, then you should not have acted the way you did yesterday. Get it, an innocent man does not have to blow balloon, bang the pipe ..... and all the cosmetic tribes; so once again, please sit tight, and relax the truth will be known.
*** "you categorically stated that waff was gone at around noon your time on the day it hapened.. you repeatedly asked when I bought the upgrades and said this was crucial.. you challenged me to forward the network 54 e-mail confirmation for the time I purchased the upgrades... I sent it to mantis and ahmed...I also sent a mail that you sent which was well before I bought the upgrades..that mail you sent asked if I knew what had happened to your beoved home..known as waff...both mails are a timeline of proof...I am tired of your bashing dragon.. I didn't pay for this forum to make it your detective agency.. let network 54 compile the proof or someone neutral.. you are not some detective and you are just making an ass out of yourself.. take your inflated ego elsewhere.." ***
- I categorically stated what I have heard from this eyewitness; he stated in an email that WAFF is delete around noon while he was inside the Soldier forum.
- Like I say the 100 times; we listen to all information, but we trust no information at this stage of the game. We will compare notes and cross reference the information from all sides so that a clear picture is gained; and hopefully we can flood out the rat from this mess.
- As I have keep telling you; the most reliable and sure ways to flood out this dirty rat is by getting the access to Network54 daily transaction log, this will review: which Admin Id is used, which IP address is associated with this Id, what time is the WAFF deleted, when is GMF upgraded ..... ?
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mantis told you that you didn't have **** until you named your so called eyewitness...btw, who made you a detective?
several people (all named) have all consistently said they observed what time waff was done and all say the same time.. so your so called eyewitness (someone you made up) is a lone voice in the wilderness... you are floating a theory because you want your 'comrade' to face less scrutiny...he won't answer anyone anywhere..
let the bosses decide who did what.. I look forward to their conclusions..
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I too visited the Soldiers forum and it was allready upgraded. After soldiers forum i went to the History forum and it was still up. The only admin or mod login i saw at that time was FAZ, but he is said to be on vacation or something like that.
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*** "mantis told you that you didn't have **** until you named your so called eyewitness...btw, who made you a detective?" ***
- Anyone can tell any thing at this moment; until a solid evident is provided to conclusively point to a smelly rat, then all these petty snipes are just that! You can continue to drives this petty snipes war by keep drags other member names into this; but, Mike ..... I have told you, you can not press my hot button, nor can you makes me to trade trashy snipe with you.
- I repeat again, at this state; there are information pointed to two candidate who have the motives and access to delete WAFF, until a solid evident is present ...... but are suspect and none are a rat! Western Motto: "Innocent Until Proven A Rat"!
*** "several people (all named) have all consistently said they observed what time waff was done and all say the same time.. so your so called eyewitness (someone you made up) is a lone voice in the wilderness... you are floating a theory because you want your 'comrade' to face less scrutiny...he won't answer anyone anywhere.." ***
- What is there you don't understand the standard police investigating technique; you listen to all sides of the story, please the good cops/bad cops on the suspect to flood out more leads ...... etc.
- Every one on the forum is formulate a theory, a rumor, a suspect ..... etc. This is why, it is important to listen to all side of the story, and to cross reference these small tidbit of information to seek truth! Do you agree?
*** "let the bosses decide who did what.. I look forward to their conclusions.." ***
- The only boss in this sorry mess; is a solid evidence to conclusively point out this rat who is very petty to delete years of works from hundreds of people around the globe.
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yeah and so far all you have is a so called eyewitness that makes people think you are full of ****.. when I countered you with concrete proof last night your tone changed..entirely... russianpride and hbn and many others such as pyhteus all say waff was gone at about the same time.. gmf wasn't upgraded till much later...period. end of story..you lose.
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"yeah and so far all you have is a so called eyewitness that makes people think you are full of ****.. when I countered you with concrete proof last night your tone changed..entirely... russianpride and hbn and many others such as pyhteus all say waff was gone at about the same time.. gmf wasn't upgraded till much later...period. end of story..you lose."</b>
- Mike, by now; you should knows Dragon Ol' boy don't buff, or lies about this type of matter! If I said I can prove my words, you damned certain I can prove my words and post solid links; any other ways, I will be the laughing stock of the community!
- You counter nothing; all you did is put up additional information, which we all welcome from you. My tone have always been the same, politic and not openly accused one member of deleting WAFF; but work the questions to hopefully get an answer.
- Give it a rest Mike; if this petty round the cycle snipes will feed your eagle; that is fine, I respect your insecure feeling about this!
- Now, lets all sit tight; and wait for further information from polizer tonight! There is no needed to rush the process; he may have some solid lead into this matter!
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- I urge you; stop talking with Mike, and reference from further reply to him until more information is reviewed by Polizer tonight!
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You counter nothing; all you did is put up additional information, which we all welcome from you. My tone have always been the same, politic and not openly accused one member of deleting WAFF; but work the questions to hopefully get an answer.
-nope.. you need to give it a reat.. you are the one making accusations but you excuse yourself by saying you were 'mad'.. fvck you..
you challenged me in chat to find a receipt that would have a time stamp of when I purchased the upgrades and openly suspected that I got the upgrades at gmf as part of a plan to have it in place prior to deleting waff.. I called your bluff then you refused to repeat the statement you made earlier in the day.. so it is you that has something to hide.. you sir are a power hungry liar.
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"-nope.. you need to give it a reat.. you are the one making accusations but you excuse yourself by saying you were 'mad'.. fvck you.."</b>
- I am resting quit well, thank for your concern mike; in fact, me is going to visit my Dim Sum God this morning! I worshipped my Dim Sum God every weekend! LOL :)
<b>"you challenged me in chat to find a receipt that would have a time stamp of when I purchased the upgrades and openly suspected that I got the upgrades at gmf as part of a plan to have it in place prior to deleting waff.. I called your bluff then you refused to repeat the statement you made earlier in the day.. so it is you that has something to hide.. you sir are a power hungry liar."</b>
- Why do you always needed a challenger; per chance, you are seeking all challenger on this virtue world of Internet ...... so to keep you preoccupied?
- At this moment, like I have said many time; I challenged all rumor, theory, suspects ....... etc! I listen to all information, and yet believes in any information until it is proven with solid facts! We seek the truth from facts; not rumor, not empty buffs ....... etc.
- Why don't you bring your family out today and enjoy the outdoor; I am! Cheer! ;)
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Why do you always needed a challenger; per chance, you are seeking all challenger on this virtue world of Internet ...... so to keep you preoccupied?
lmao everyone that was in chat saw it as a challenge...quit crying because you were exposed..
- At this moment, like I have said many time; I challenged all rumor, theory, suspects ....... etc! I listen to all information, and yet believes in any information until it is proven with solid facts! We seek the truth from facts; not rumor, not empty buffs ....... etc.
do you mean bluff? anyway, someone mentioned a good point, they said that diunei has not posted any defense in any forum and you have not openly questioned this while you quickly question me..chinese bias? hmmmm.
- Why don't you bring your family out today and enjoy the outdoor; I am! Cheer! ..
lmao... dragon why is it I can leave for several hours and come back to see that you have been on the forum the entire time I was gone? is this forum your life?!..
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*** lmao everyone that was in chat saw it as a challenge...quit crying because you were exposed.. ***
- No Challenge at all, my question is asked so you can present your side of the story and to back up your remarks with solid proves when GMF is upgraded. I ask you for a recipts which you provided to few members; I am happy you able to come up and provide this information.
- Now, thanks to you; we now have another piece of information hopefully to prove or disprove another rumors! This is the reason for my question and my intension to hear your side of the story; this is no challenge as you put it! If you percieves this is a challenge, the you are mistaken; if we turn the table and I question Comrade Duinei, I would also asking him for proves and solid reference ..... me is even handed in this regards!
*** "do you mean bluff? anyway, someone mentioned a good point, they said that diunei has not posted any defense in any forum and you have not openly questioned this while you quickly question me..chinese bias? hmmmm." ***
- I don't do bluff, for bluff is for kiddies; I told you I have an eye witness ...... and I have yet to review this eye witness at this moment for I don't wanting you to badger him! I have listen to this eyewitness remarks in the form of email; and I will follows this leads and to try and flood out to see if there is any truth in this regards. This is all, nothing more, nothing less.
- Each leads we get; we will ask question and allows the participant to rebuff this questions and to provide solid support. Like I said before; I listen to all information with and open mind, I still have yet to make a conclusion as to which is the rat who delete WAFF.
*** "lmao... dragon why is it I can leave for several hours and come back to see that you have been on the forum the entire time I was gone? is this forum your life?!.." ***
- I leave all my computers on 24/7, me have six computers; get it, I work on computer for a living! This does not mean I am alway at the terminal ..... but, my computer still is on! Unlike you, who have to goes out to feed your dogs and train them outdoor; I train my "computer dogs" while sitting indoor in the comfort of in-door! ROFLMAo ;)
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I still have yet to make a conclusion as to which is the rat who delete WAFF.
and who cares what your conclusion is?
and you know nothing about what i do for a living...those dogs capture lots of suspects every year.. I know that you type posts all day long.. I return from hours away only to see that you have authored posts after posts with no break in between.
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- The entire WAFF care enough to find this petty rat; this is not about Dragon conclusion, for I mean nothing in the over all of thing. The evident and solid proves hopefully will review the smelly rat!
- I am certain; Polizer may have some information which may break open the smelly rat, so let wait and see tonight!
*** "and you know nothing about what i do for a living...those dogs capture lots of suspects every year.. I know that you type posts all day long.. I return from hours away only to see that you have authored posts after posts with no break in between." ***
- How true, I don't knows your dogs and your work; just like you don't knows about my Computer Codes and my work! So, lets not pissing about what we do; as long as we both making good money, that is important! ROFLMAo ;)
*** "good news dragon how about posting it for everyone to see?" ***
- I am sure you also have a copy of this chat conversation, why don't you post it for all to see.
- I knows you are a pack rat and save away each and every email and conversation; so that you can use this information to fight with members. I have no interest to engage with you on this petty issue; I post my questions, you provide support information! We now going to cross reference and double check all these information; and we listen to all side but don't believes in any information at this stage!
- So, be my guest; if you wanting to post our conservation so to feed your eagle! I am all for stroking eagle! ROFLMAo ;)
- Anyhow, I have to run and to meet with my Dim Sum God; we don't wanting him to get cold! Cheer! ;)
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- I knows you are a pack rat and save away each and every email and conversation; so that you can use this information to fight with members. I have no interest to engage with you on this petty issue; I post my questions, you provide support information! We now going to cross reference and double check all these information; and we listen to all side but don't believes in any information at this stage!
actually no I didn't save that chat but you said you did so post it! what are you wanting to hide?
and what's this 'we' talk? after last night and your ill fated attempt to expose me, you appeared to be the one exposed so you don't seem to have much credibility here..lol.
yeah I save e-mail it happens automatically.. its an aol feature! roflmao! it seems that you are the pack rat since you are copying posts from here and pasting them elsewhere in other network 54 forums without authorization..
I do recall since you want to mention fights you acting this way when luny wanted to give up his forum once before.. people are tired of your charade dragon.. not long ago you vowed to leave waff forever if fantoros remained a moderator and mailed me 12 e-mails with a 'ten point plan' making senseless demands. quit being mad that I got the best of you yesterday with your ridiculous allegations.. a lot of people saw your true character.. anyway, I understand that you don't want to post that chat.. I think you would be embarrassed.. roflmao
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