thanks for the support to all who have posted and e-mailed..I appreciate it.. I will say that the comparison's between dragon and baghdad bob are outstanding! some funny sh!t!..in a way this whole thing was very revealing.. you saw people who were taking a crisis and trying to spin their own far fetched accusations.. when proof of different people's guilt and innocence was forwarded, the haters (dragon and BrotherAbdullah) kept trying to spin their theories to a group that finally stopped listening..

 

I found it funny how one way day dragon said that waff was deleted aroung noon his time and later wouldn't admit to making that very same claim.. why? because I sent proof as to when I paid for the gmf upgrades which shot down his entire theory.. at the same time, I shot down yet another lie by BrotherAbdullah...now dragon has returned to 'lets get further evidence' bla blah blah since the evidence points away from me... roflmao.. this is why he was removed as a moderator (he says he resigned, he was forced to leave) about 8 months ago because he cannot stand to be wrong!

 

anyway, thanks for the support guys.. now we see who the hypocrites are...

 

great, mike... now, where is the stuff Faz posted....l1o1l1o1l1o1l1

From all information upto now and the Confidence expressed by Mike, I can conclude:
Mike didn't press the Nuke Button to destroy WAFF. Period.

But before I issue my Formal Appology to Mike I want to wait a while before the fact is clear that: Mike did you exercise pressure on Diunei to press the Delete Button?

But still: the one who pressed the Delete WAFF button is a fcuking retarded moron loser what a disgrace as Person.

lol

Now I realize why Mike acted in the "suspected" way after WAFF was down:
Mike had NO clue either why WAFF was shutdown, Mike didn't know Diunei or other one did it so Mike thinks it was shut down by FBI or Net54 hence Mike posted the Thread called "You can all thank to Diunei and BrotherAbudulla for .."

lol

I find this "event" really fasinating, Mike you do can play good stuff

Well please still wait a while for my Formal Appology http://www.exinqing.net/bbs/images/smilies/lol.gif

lol hbn you are bound and determined to have some fault laid with me aren't you..

the only 'pressure' I exercised on diunei and a large number of moderators who came over from gmf was to quit overmoderating.. diunei was handpicked by me as were the other moderators to help moderate waff...I should say that the gmf moderators were handpicked by me and some did a good job while others were very bullying and inept.. I took it upon myself to help Faz get them to modify their behavior since it was becoming a problem and assured him I would be direct with them and not spare feelings.. this made some of them upset but at least they moved on..albeit some were bitter about it. ...diunei wanted punishment which was more severe than normal whenever a member insulted china.. I am the one who asked for hayq to be disciplined when he kept saying 'chink' but diunei got overly upset and wanted to post hayq's address and permanently ban him, etc..

 

in order to be a moderator, you have to be fair to every nationality no matter how you personally feel.. no double standards and no agenda's like BrotherAbdullah had.. he wanted to be 'the voice for arabs' (even though he is not arabic, lmao)...moderating is not about where you stand or where you are from.. it is about being fair to those you disagree with as well as those you agree with. end of story.. this is why lunatic removed dragon..BrotherAbdullah would moderate threads he participated in, and ask for discipline of those he had flamed in the past.. moderating for him was all about his own agenda and many threads made by those he disliked mysteriously dissapeared while his log in was visible leading me to only one conclusion.. he did it.

 

moderating doesn't depend on where you are from.. I have been vehemently opposed to American moderators when they moderate according to patriotism..anyone can verify this.. that forum could easily be moderated by persians.. all of them are perfect and have been greatly fair to all... also, polizei, gabraz,harry, liianpan,mantis, and of course Faz are great. I apologize for bringing over some of the people I did...

Mike in chats with other in Apex's forum I also stated this about you:
Mike is a very good man who can be very kind towards his friends and very bad towards his enemies, and Mike is too emontional type can quickly lose temper.

From above it's clear I am not blind type.

BUT:
Some stuff made and still make me to put you too as Big Suspects:
1. You said clearly in WAFF against Diunei 2 days before WAFF went down: You (Mike) can easily destroy WAFF during fights with Diunei. Mmmm, maybe you meant not to Press the Nuke Button but meant to get FBI or Net54 in, nnn, this can be quite possible.
2. I never thought WHY Diunei would delete WAFF, why? For what reason? Seems there is NO reason why Diunei would do that against the Whole Memebers, just because fights with Mike? This is only possible if Diunei is such a retarted moron disgrace coward.

Well, take it easy, I surelly hope Mike is a GOOD person.

Give me a couple of days to "think out" this Issue, it always needs time for HBN to change minds huh? :)

Good day

hbn, I never wanted the fbi on anyones case.. all I said was that I was tired of everyone else having to feel like they were being scrutinized because of one person who was being looked at- of austin, texas

 

he threatened one person who called authorities.. that one person happened to be a forumner who lived in the Nations Capitol and that person also happened to be a programmer who worked at the dept. of homeland security..

Diunei has always been perfectly logical in his arguements and posting.


I cannot recall one instance where Diunei resorted to flaming or emotional outbursts in any threads... not to mention his brilliant understanding of weapon system. I believe every forumer in WAFF can say that Diunei's record is quite an remarkable feat of self discipline. Never has Diunei spilled a hint of condescenion to his posts, even when he is providing counter-arguement to the most ridiculous claims. Every single of his posts are fair, balanced, and well supported, covering the topic in every angle.


Why would diunei do such a illogical thing?

Diunei has already snapped once before... Just after the passing of his father, and before the merger with GMF happened,(He was a regular posting member at thatime), on several separate occasions, he threw some nasty insults around and repeatedly posted pictures of dead, mutilated bodies, even ones of children. His behavious got so bad in fact, that Faz had to give out a one week ban to stop his rampage. Most of the time I've known, he's been very cool and level-headed, but he's already shown that he's not incapable of radical behaviour.

icic


i only know him from his postings on WAFF so i wuldn't know these things

Ok Mike,from now to all the futur we will can to sleep again!
Dont worry.
Kisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!

Let this be a lesson to you Mike. If you push people too far, they can snap and have very extreem reactions which can lead to unpredictble results. As I told you in the WAFF suggestion forum before it got deleted, get a hold of your emotions and stop thrashing about recklessly like a wild horse in a china shop because you don't know what you're going to end up breaking, OK! Fortunately in this case no one got seriously hurt. Check your thin skinned behaviour and show more self restraint.

This is not to discredit anyone or vice-versa. However, so many accusations have been levelled at Mike. Almost all, if not all, are untrue simply on the basis that they`re not possible.

The Faz1 and lunatic2666 log-ins are admin log-ins which is why i have the
Justin177 log-in as well. This will allow the other admins to use the Faz1
and lunatic2666 log-in as and when they need it.Admin log-ins are used to change the forums. Only 3 persons have the
passwords to those two log-ins; myself, Diunei and Polizie. Which is why
Mike could`nt have deleted the forums. He just could`nt. Only someone with the pass-code could have done it.

There is also speculation that Mike may have hacked the forums. That is unlikely and next to impossible. The
forums belong to networks. If you do that, you are hacking into networks and
they have a competent technical staff to ensure it does`nt happen. Also,
Mike isn`t really in the know of such stuffs. He specializes in other professions. And how are you going to justify this? Ask networks? Be my guest...

It is also said that Mike might have used his credit card information to wrest hold of
the pass-codes. This is untrue. While mike paid for the sub-forums
under lunatic`s log-in long ago, in order to preserve the forum and allow
the upgrades, the main forum was paid by me. It is linked to your account
really. The main is under Faz1. So the credit information is mine. Nope. No
one has actually hacked into my Citibank account. I have intentionally left
the sub-forums under the lunatic log-in for the time being as I need time to
transfer the members and groups. It has to be done manually. Networks won`t
do it for you. And there`re more than 2200 registered members.

The reason why GMF was upgraded is because it was left as a back-up for WAFF
should the latter fail. And Mike did exactly that. Most of the mods involved in the merger are in
the know of this. Many have remained silent because there`re just too many accusations flying around it would be senseless to say anything then.

A lot are due to misplaced vendettas which rear
thier heads at this time. Many are opportunistic. I don`t have to mention the persons involved. And I can`t blame them either as it involves personal disputes which have been around for a long time. Some are truly concerned while other just want to take pot-shots at others; settle old scores. For some others; both. Under such circumstances, reason and truth bares the same face as wild fabrications and lies. I don`t have the time to read all the
mails per se. I have received close to a hundred mails(and prolly much more) from so many people that it jams up my e-mail acount. But if there is anyone whom you all should believe, it`s
network54 themselves whom Im liasing with to restore the forums. There is`nt much more you can go from there.

Im not too sure what went on really. I was away for two weeks. Im not going to point fingers at anyone though I did initially. It was probably done in a sudden rage or panic or both. That person had presumably and probably wanted to protect the forum. I managed to speak to
Diunei recently where I did`nt get the chance to do so before. He flatly denied all these. There are reasons which point that he did`nt do it as well. I could`nt blame him too(if he really did it);especially if he did that in his own self defence and the defence of the forum. Sometimes, it gets too hot in there. However, how much more can we expect from another person under such circumstances is hard to determine too. The so-called `evidence'which has been piling on by many are unsubstantial to indict anyone. It is possible that I could find out the true culprit from networks. I will ask them of it. However, that depends entirely on networks whom you can talk to yourselves if you want.


regards,
Justin
(Faz)

<b>@Faz

"This is not to discredit anyone or vice-versa. However, so many accusations have been levelled at Mike. Almost all, if not all, are untrue simply on the basis that they`re not possible.

The Faz1 and lunatic2666 log-ins are admin log-ins which is why i have the
Justin177 log-in as well. This will allow the other admins to use the Faz1
and lunatic2666 log-in as and when they need it.Admin log-ins are used to change the forums. Only 3 persons have the
passwords to those two log-ins; myself, Diunei and Polizie. Which is why
Mike could`nt have deleted the forums. He just could`nt. Only someone with the pass-code could have done it.

There is also speculation that Mike may have hacked the forums. That is unlikely and next to impossible. The
forums belong to networks. If you do that, you are hacking into networks and
they have a competent technical staff to ensure it does`nt happen. Also,
Mike isn`t really in the know of such stuffs. He specializes in other professions. And how are you going to justify this? Ask networks? Be my guest...

It is also said that Mike might have used his credit card information to wrest hold of
the pass-codes. This is untrue. While mike paid for the sub-forums
under lunatic`s log-in long ago, in order to preserve the forum and allow
the upgrades, the main forum was paid by me. It is linked to your account
really. The main is under Faz1. So the credit information is mine. Nope. No
one has actually hacked into my Citibank account. I have intentionally left
the sub-forums under the lunatic log-in for the time being as I need time to
transfer the members and groups. It has to be done manually. Networks won`t
do it for you. And there`re more than 2200 registered members.

The reason why GMF was upgraded is because it was left as a back-up for WAFF
should the latter fail. And Mike did exactly that. Most of the mods involved in the merger are in
the know of this. Many have remained silent because there`re just too many accusations flying around it would be senseless to say anything then.

A lot are due to misplaced vendettas which rear
thier heads at this time. Many are opportunistic. I don`t have to mention the persons involved. And I can`t blame them either as it involves personal disputes which have been around for a long time. Some are truly concerned while other just want to take pot-shots at others; settle old scores. For some others; both. Under such circumstances, reason and truth bares the same face as wild fabrications and lies. I don`t have the time to read all the
mails per se. I have received close to a hundred mails(and prolly much more) from so many people that it jams up my e-mail acount. But if there is anyone whom you all should believe, it`s
network54 themselves whom Im liasing with to restore the forums. There is`nt much more you can go from there.

Im not too sure what went on really. I was away for two weeks. Im not going to point fingers at anyone though I did initially. It was probably done in a sudden rage or panic or both. That person had presumably and probably wanted to protect the forum. I managed to speak to
Diunei recently where I did`nt get the chance to do so before. He flatly denied all these. There are reasons which point that he did`nt do it as well. I could`nt blame him too(if he really did it);especially if he did that in his own self defence and the defence of the forum. Sometimes, it gets too hot in there. However, how much more can we expect from another person under such circumstances is hard to determine too. The so-called `evidence'which has been piling on by many are unsubstantial to indict anyone. It is possible that I could find out the true culprit from networks. I will ask them of it. However, that depends entirely on networks whom you can talk to yourselves if you want."</b>

- Thanks for your clarification in the matter; it should be much relief to clear Mike from the implication of deleting WAFF. For that, I owned Mike a personal apology to suspect he may be involves in this incident. With your above added information; it open up to two additional questions.


<b>"Only 3 persons have the passwords to those two log-ins; myself, Diunei and Polizie. Which is why Mike could`nt have deleted the forums. He just could`nt. Only someone with the pass-code could have done it. "</b>

- On the day that Diunei changed the admin password; he has email the updated password to Polizei and UAE, while you are away. So, the three person who is aware of the latest password for the Faz and Lunatic2666 id is not yourself.


<b>"There are reasons which point that he did`nt do it as well. I could`nt blame him too(if he really did it);especially if he did that in his own self defence and the defence of the forum. Sometimes, it gets too hot in there. However, how much more can we expect from another person under such circumstances is hard to determine too."</b>

- Why would Diunei deleted the entire WAFF forum; just to spike Mike over a simple argument. Since Diunei is one of the Admin person; it is within his power and rights for Diunei to banned Mike id from the forum, rather then deleted the entire forum? Is that a logical moves?

- In fact, according to both Diunei and UAE; they have agreed to banned Mike Id on an emergence admin meeting, due to the escalation of fights between Diunei and Mike.

- Also, being the last person to have changed the admin ID; would it be suicidal for Diunei to delete the forum, when overwhelming implication will be pointed in Diunei direction?



<b>Summary:</b>

- At best, I believes that both Mike and Diunei is innocent of this incident! Unless Network54 can determined the originated IP Address used to issue the <b>"delete"</b> command, we would only be left with an unknown and unanswered questions.

- Mike; please accept my personal apology for not believe in your story, and suspected you were involves with this incident.

- Diunei; I still have person trust and believes you are innocent, and I would hopes that network54 return with a definite answer to which regional IP address is used to delete the WAFF.

A correction...

As I was not an admin at the time, I did not agree to him banning mike, I told him to do whatever he wanted to.

Dragon,
First i thought you had really concerns about the forum and i kept telling that to Mike, and that it wasnt your fault to suspect Mike because the truth is that everyone here including those who are sucking it up to Mike now did so even though some didnt say that. What i had to say i told Mike on the phone , and im really glad Mike Murphy is not the person to do such an act, what irritates me is that you cowardly are still backing up Diunei...and i also said to HBN in the chat, why didnt he think that it was Diunei,
is all this backing because he is chinese.Im sure it is.And that is pathetic. Get some balls to admit that ****tard did it, and the reason he was my number one suspect is that this punk didnt have the balls to speak to anyone and dissapeared.
He sent me an email from which after seeing that he had banned Mike i can now understand that this coward was trying to Ban Mike, by finding an excuse. He emailed me the night before supposely he wanted a ASAP response on how dangerous Mike is and if he threatened me on the phone when we fought.He thought I will endorse this, since i havent been in the WAFF,and i might be upset over him, thus using that as an excuse to Ban Mike and tell the rest he is really dangerous and thats y he had to do it. This never happened.I emailed him the day after he deleted the forum and asked him what is going on,Obviously he didnt respond.
Me and Mike never fought on the phone and every time we had a fight, including the last one in the Mods forum, me and Mike were extremely cool on the phone like nothing happened....
Anyway....Good that the forum is back, too bad there are many threads missing, or i hope they are just restoring them.

<b>@ILLIRIA

"First i thought you had really concerns about the forum and i kept telling that to Mike, and that it wasnt your fault to suspect Mike because the truth is that everyone here including those who are sucking it up to Mike now did so even though some didnt say that."</b>

- I do care about waff enough to voice my concerns and raise these questions; but, more importantly .... I care more about both Mike and Diunei and not having either person being wrongfully lynch mob on the forum by one side opinions.

- That is way, I have take the time and energy to listen to all sides of the story; my suspect is not just Diunei and Mike for I have also suspected UAE along with Polizei. After a lengthy conversation with Polizei, I have rule him out as a suspect for a sound reason; thus leaving three other candidate on the list.

- Also, throw my asking questions; I have determined this is not an outside job, nor a hacker who have "time-ingly" remove WAFF right after Mike is banned along with the most recent admin id changes. This is an insider job; one who have access and reason to act so cowardly.


<b>"What i had to say i told Mike on the phone , and im really glad Mike Murphy is not the person to do such an act, what irritates me is that you cowardly are still backing up Diunei...and i also said to HBN in the chat, why didnt he think that it was Diunei, is all this backing because he is chinese.Im sure it is.And that is pathetic. Get some balls to admit that ****tard did it, and the reason he was my number one suspect is that this punk didnt have the balls to speak to anyone and dissapeared."</b>

- My continue believes of Diunei is innocent; not because he is fellow Chinese, but, rather a lengthy and detail chronicle letter he have sent to me, which reviews his side of the story in full. His letter provided detail explanation carry considerable weights and logic; thus lead me to believes other person may be the cause of WAFF deletion.

- Thinks with you logic for a moment; Comrade Diunei is one of the Admin of WAFF, he carry full weight to banned other member if they have step out of line and violated the TOS. According to Comrade Diunei, he have collected evident and email letters to implicated Mike for an escalation of threats; thus, he have forward these evidence to network54 for review ..... in a case like this, where Comrade Diunei already have the "Upper Hand" to banned mike, why goes the route and extreme measure to delete the WAFF?

- You tell me, would it not be more simple and effective to banned mike from the forum; and be done with it? Does that makes logical sense to you, when you held all the trump cards, why would you toss it into the drain?



<b>"He sent me an email from which after seeing that he had banned Mike i can now understand that this coward was trying to Ban Mike, by finding an excuse. He emailed me the night before supposely he wanted a ASAP response on how dangerous Mike is and if he threatened me on the phone when we fought.He thought I will endorse this, since i havent been in the WAFF,and i might be upset over him, thus using that as an excuse to Ban Mike and tell the rest he is really dangerous and thats y he had to do it. This never happened.I emailed him the day after he deleted the forum and asked him what is going on,Obviously he didnt respond."</b>

- I can not comments on conversation between Diunei and yourself; it is up to Diunei answer your questions. But, for one thing I am sure; is that Diunei will issue a banned of member or mod, when or if he have collected strong evident for calling the ban ..... nor does he gather mods support in his action. Case in point, in the removal of Dim_Bar; Diunei removed Dim_bar as a mod, due to the posting of pornographic material by Dim_bar .... did he asked for your mod permission in this case. So, I highly doubt that Diunei needed your permission to banned mike from the forum; if Diunei collected enough evident against Mike, he can do so with the consent and discussion with fellow admin ..... rather then consent with a mod!


<b>"Me and Mike never fought on the phone and every time we had a fight, including the last one in the Mods forum, me and Mike were extremely cool on the phone like nothing happened...."</b>

- What lend weight to Diunei side of the story; is that mike have in the passed allows his temper to get the better of him, and he have contact member private phone number when argument escalated. I am not using the incident of General-Lee nasty letter to mock mike son to hold against him; but, these are the past incident that stir questions. You can hardly blame me for being suspicious of the three admin in questions.

- So far, the public have seen and read one side of the story from mike perspective; for most of the member have not seen Diunei side of the story. As I have say before; I suspected everyone, but not one ..... until solid facts are presented to implicate one candidate as the cause of WAFF deletion.


<b>Summary:</b>

- So, allow me to restate my previous summary; at best, this moment in time ..... either Mike or Diunei is proven guilty, nor are they proven innocent at this moment. Also, the three prime suspect of Mike, Diunei, and UAE are still the prime suspect; until any of you can prove with solid facts, I will stand by all three candidate as innocent, but, they are still being suspected!




<b>"Anyway....Good that the forum is back, too bad there are many threads missing, or i hope they are just restoring them."</b>

- Thank god for that, now the forum is restored; it is only important for Diunei to come out and to present his side of the story in person. This is important for Diunei to fight his own fight, if he is wrongfully named!

- With that said, I encourage you Comrade Diunei to stand before the rest of the member, and to present your views and proves that you are innocent. Unless, if you are guilty of deleting the WAFF then you will have reason to run and hide from the truth .... then it would been a major disappointment to myself, to countless other members who have trusted you through these years.

- So, Diunei, it is up to you now to come forward and to present your case to everyone; no other member can fight for you! You needed to stand up for yourself and to stand before the community for what you believes is right! If you have all these evidences( threaten email ... etc ) as you have claimed to me; then you have every rights on your side and you needed not to be afraid of politic nor confrontation in public.

- If you are reading this post, Diunei; I encourage you to stand up for yourself and present your case to the public as you have presented to me! This is the mature things to do, and this is what owned to the rest of the community and you owned to Comrade Faz who have entrusted you with the admin responsibility. Above all, you owned it to yourself to clear your own name; if you are innocent of this terrible deed!

- How about it, Comrade Diunei; can you raise to my challenges I have put forward in this open letter to you?




BTW: let me added, seeking truth by asking sound questions; is not an act of coward! Seeking truth from facts, is not an act of coward either! For the person who ignore both sides of the story without asking hard questions; are the incompetent fools ...... who are too lazy to seek truth, and only seeking comfort by boot licking the community for brownies point. You knows who you are!

Dragon ol' boy is an old basstard, for I seek truth by asking difficult questions; oh well, life is a bitch! Are you a basstard liken Dragon Ol' Boy, ILLIRIA to seek truth and justice? ROFLMAo ;)


Regards,

Dragon

- BTW: Comrade Diunei; if you don't feel comfortable to post your reply on the GMF forum, you are most welcome to post your reply on the restored WAFF or on my temp forum ..... it does not matter where you post your reply, as long as you post your story.

- We would rather to see you to post your reply and your version of the story on the restored WAFF; for this will quickly clear the air and clear your name.

- So, please think about my above email and hopes you will be able to raise to my challenge and post your reply on WAFF forum.


Regards,

Dragon

Well regarding Mike calling poeple....
1)whoever he called that number was given to him by the same individual, in all cases.
2)when i was argueing with Mike and i had a big beef in the mods forum, he called me politely to discuss what is going on, something that was solved in less than 10 seconds, and discussion was friendly and long.
I never spoke to Mike on the phone and argued or fought, so trying to picture Mike as the upset and tempered guy thaT calls people it is not true and unfair to say, and i have spoken to Mike on the phone dozens of times.
3)Diunei is a coward just for not showing up and facing things.Thats enough to proove his giult,otherwise why the fu.ck someone could be hiding so much,
4)He didnt need my consent but it could have helped his cause to get ridd of Mike, and present Mike wrong for his forecoming Ban of Mike, which was orchestrated by him, in an effort to find and add more things against Mike in their personal dispute that i have no idea. So stop trying to shift the fault to everything else because you dont want to admit that you are wrong, and that a fellow Chinese is screwed up.PERIOD, the more you talk about it and try to blame CIA,S.W.A.T,N54,genitors,cockroaches and other insects, the more stupid it looks on you, and more credibility you are losing in the eyes of the rest of the guys.

<b>
@ILLIRIA

"3)Diunei is a coward just for not showing up and facing things.Thats enough to proove his giult,otherwise why the fu.ck someone could be hiding so much,"</b>

- Just in case you are too dumb to read between the lines; my last two post is precisely asking Diunei to step up to the plate and to defend himself in public. If you are an intellectual light weight, then it is best you learn to read my posting prior to making your comments.


<b>"4)He didnt need my consent but it could have helped his cause to get ridd of Mike, and present Mike wrong for his forecoming Ban of Mike, which was orchestrated by him, in an effort to find and add more things against Mike in their personal dispute that i have no idea."</b>

- No one care about your input; least of all, involves the banning of other mod. Since when is your input is asked when Dim_bar were banned as mod and as member; if or when the admin have a cause and justification; they act as such. Now stop making yourself as the kingpin to influence the admin decision. After your fight with mike on the forum; you have practically AWOL from your mod duty, so it is highly unlikely that Diunei would have to seek your approval. The two person that would have make a different in regards to this matter from Diunei perspective, is he fellow admin friend, in which case .. he did consulted with UAE in this regards.


<b>"So stop trying to shift the fault to everything else because you dont want to admit that you are wrong, and that a fellow Chinese is screwed up.PERIOD, the more you talk about it and try to blame CIA,S.W.A.T,N54,genitors,cockroaches and other insects, the more stupid it looks on you, and more credibility you are losing in the eyes of the rest of the guys."</b>

- Since you are an intellectual light weight; please allows me to repaint the picture to you! There are three candidate that have the means and possible motives to delete the WAFF, which are Diunei, Mike and UAE. Network54 already confirmed this is done by the owner id; so this rule out an outsider job who may have deleted the forum.

- So, unless you have a concrete evident to prove that Diunei did the delete; it is rather premature for you to paint him as guilty! If you wanting to say Diunei is guilty, then prove it to us with hard evidence! If you have solid evidence to proves this is the fact, I will rest my case!

- In the same argument, we don't have solid prove to implicate Mike as the guilty person; so it is wrong to say mike is guilty. What I am saying is that equal treatment for all; this is the fair and even handed approach. If Diunei have something to hide and be afraid to stand in front of the forum and to speak for himself, he is the only one to get hurt by his lack of maturity. Get it, this is about dual process; rather then a kangaroo show.

- Since you are a willow tree, ILLIRIA; who is sway from one popular opinion to the next without intellectual integrity! It is rather useless and wasted my time to further my discussion with you! If you have hard evidence to proves that Diunei is guilty; then present it to us! You either put up the evident, or STFU!

Good day Sir!

You are a ****en moron and thick headed to understand anything.No wonder all chinese are ashamed of you.That says it all.
you got no ****en life that your responses are even to sentences that have nothing to do with you.Uglywitt, your chinese fellow you are trying hard to defend has been a coward to hide from the face of the earth, because he simply has no answers,
Bamboo **** my answers are simple and short, stop ****en writing essayes because i dont have time to read all your moronic context, and learn some ****en english in the process you retard....
You keep writing so much everyday, only a moron like you couldnt be able to improve his english, and correct his grammar, no wonder it is hard for you to comprehend things.

****face, my response was to your ampty accusations trying to portray Mike as a person who calls people to scare them,****o Mike calls poeple that are willing to talk to him, thats why everything is in a friendly tone, but you should take Diunei's D,ick up your ass because you have been sitting on it for few weeks,

ILLIRIA why waste your breathe with a proven Bull$hiter!!!!! dragon's fiasco with Mike has proven him to be a COMPLETE LIAR. As I've said about dragon before, he's an old guy with no life no lady & and his only outside life is his JOB. Look how he got when WAFF went down, he acted as lf his life was sucked out of him. To bad his days of flaming on WAFF are done since we all NOW KNOW that dragons a FRAUD.............



P.S. Like I said, when WAFF is restored I can't see dragon coming back the same as before. He's been exposed and now will have to find a new forum to destory......


Happy Trolling dragon!!!!!!!!!!

Well, how is dragon wrong in refraining from from finger-pointing?



In any case, there definitedly needs to be a publicized discussion btw all the admins..... mike included to give all the members an understanding of the forum deletion

<b>You are a ****en moron and thick headed to understand "anything.No" wonder all "chinese" are ashamed of "you.That" says it all.
you got no ****en life that your responses are even to sentences that have nothing to do with "you.Uglywitt", your "chinese" fellow you are trying hard to defend has been a coward to hide from the face of the earth, because he simply has no answers,
Bamboo **** my answers are simple and short, stop ****en writing "essayes" because "i dont" have time to read all your moronic context, and learn some ****en "english" in the process you retard....
You keep writing so much everyday, only a moron like you "couldnt" be able to improve his "english", and correct his grammar, no wonder it is hard for you to comprehend things.

****face, my response was to your ampty accusations trying to portray Mike as a person who calls people to scare them,****o Mike calls poeple that are willing to talk to him, thats why everything is in a friendly tone, but you should take Diunei's D,ick up your ass because you have been sitting on it for few weeks,</b>

- Greek boy( ILLIRIA ), learn to spell and write; given that English is your first language, shame on you! While you lecture about my poor pigeon English, intellectual hooker liken yourself are busy committing even worst mistakes then me! Willow Tree, what direction is the wind blowing today? You still trying to boot licking the community for brownies points?

- Moron you are, can¡¦t even replied to my logic with sound reason, now you going down the trashy road of personal flame, you are such a dirty hooker! ROFLMAo ;)

BTW: me so kind, I have quoted "" few of your English mistakes; get your assshole busy to learn how to write and spell properly! Learn how to punctuate and capitalized proper nouns while you are at it, Intellectual Hooker! Haa! Haa! ;)

- Also, where is your phucking evidence to proves Diunei is guilty, put up or STFU! Mulaahaaahaa! ;)

<b>Gay Kangaroo!

"Happy Trolling dragon!!!!!!!!!!"</b>

- What a dirty shame for proud Greece, to have two Intellectual Light Weight like yourself and ILLIRIA; no wonder you boys can't fight the Turks. ROFLMAo ;)

- Guest what, there at least few smarter members on here then you two lonesome Greek! Keep talking, the more you two Greek talking trashy; the more reasons the rest of the community would what to knows the full truth!

- Who done it? How it was done? Why it was done? My two Greek friend better have some good supporting evidences ........ Looks to me, you two boys better leave your shields with me, and start running back to mama! Haa! Haa! ;)



<b>"Well, how is dragon wrong in refraining from from finger-pointing?

In any case, there definitedly needs to be a publicized discussion btw all the admins..... mike included to give all the members an understanding of the forum deletion"</b>

For those accusing me of "cowardice" because I haven't showed up, that is simply because I do not care about Internet politics, I have been fed up with all the nonsense conspiracy theories and false accusations, and I have commitments in the REAL world, i.e. mid-term exams. Quite simply, I had more important things to do. But since there are people pressing me to give my side of the story...

Illyria, it is funny you should be demonising me and once again being Mike's right hand man, since I remember it was not too long ago that Mike was threatening to go to New York to fight with you, that Mike was bad news and that you were also pissed off about having so much of your time wasted on Internet quarrels.

Mike Murphy, where should I start...As usual with your temper tantrums, you become unreasonable and drum up all sorts of conspiracy theories when you misunderstand and fail to take the time to think things through. YOU were the one posting private Yahoo transcripts of your conversations with BrotherAbdullah (and trying to goad him into a fight by posting nothing but cursing.) I simply remarked I wouldn't be surprised with you posting private e-mails from me too, since you already set that precedent by posting your e-mails from Gyrene when you got into a spat with him about whether UK or USA marines were better. You lecture me about integrity? If you had it then you would have retorted to that remark in the Moderators forum instead of simply trolling in and threatening me in private e-mail. In fact, I was about to remove BrotherAbdullah from the Mods staff until you started threatening just about everybody in WAFF. Proof of this was that BA put in a thread in General Discussion that he was ready to resign. Furthermore, you would have admitted to the rest of the forumers that you were, in fact, part owner of WAFF instead of putting yourself in such a conflict of interest position of regular forumer/secret owner. I discussed with the other admins Polizei and Ahmed, and they did not object to banning you, since on the last day you were bashing everybody that had even the slightest difference of opinion to yours.

So Mike Murphy was blocked; why would I need to delete an entire forum just to Mike Murphy out of my sight? Since I wanted proof to use against any argument of his then why would I delete the very source of my proof? Why would I put myself in such a no-win position? In fact, shortly after Mike Murphy began his quarrel with me, key threads from both the Moderators and various sub-forums began disappearing. As soon as the password for the "Faz1" and "lunatic2666" IDs were changed, they were sent to Ahmed and Polizei via e-mail; Faz's e-mail was overloaded since he was in Aceh for two weeks. Yet shortly after Mike Murphy was blocked, the forum was deleted.

Since Mike Murphy was, in reality, a part-owner of WAFF, it is logical to conclude that he would get updates on all changes to the "lunatic2666" ID. From Network54's perspective, why would they betray a paying customer? Why wouldn't Network54 allow him to have hint questions, in case he "forgot" the password? Just as Mike Murphy was harassing/pressuring Fantaros, Illyria and Landos to leave the WAFF staff, so too was Mike Murphy harassing/threatening me to leave as well.

So Mike Murphy, you seem to have gotten what you want, which is full control over your passionate hobby, a forum with most of WAFF's membership.

Great to see you represent yourself Diunei




wouldn't believe that you'd be the kinda person to hide from accusations :)

Although I could have edited out my previous post, I will not do so. Instead, I will retract them after the fact and admit they were too harsh, especially after reading this section from Network54's Terms of Use:

http://www.network54.com/Help/?topic=Terms

<b> 11. ENFORCEMENT OF RULES/TERMS OF USE.
Network54 has the right to access any area of Network54 and may edit, delete, or restrict access to any posted content or Resource at its sole discretion, but also to enforce its Terms of Use. Network54 is not required to explain why any login or Resource was edited, restricted, or deleted. </b>

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Since Network54 can alter ANY forum at ANY time, I think it is fair to say that there is plenty of blame to spread around.

Comrade Diunei,

- I am glad you have taken the time to rebuttal against charges from members. :)



@ILLIRIA( Willow Tree )

"I never spoke to Mike on the phone and argued or fought, so trying to picture Mike as the upset and tempered guy thaT calls people it is not true and unfair to say, and i have spoken to Mike on the phone dozens of times." by Intellectual Hooker Illiria!

"Illyria, it is funny you should be demonising me and once again being Mike's right hand man, since I remember it was not too long ago that Mike was threatening to go to New York to fight with you, that Mike was bad news and that you were also pissed off about having so much of your time wasted on Internet quarrels." by Comrade Diunei


- ROFLMAo, so which ****hole are you hiding today; you little smelly hooker low life? Come out, for Dragon Ol' boy wanting to flame your assshole! Haa! Haa! ;)

- Man, I was not aware you and mike were going to fight physically in New York; I gather this is your version of never argued or fought with mike over the phone. Well, me gather physical fight is not considered to be phone fight! Moron! Mulahaaahaaaaaa! ;)

- I wanting to see your remarks now; you little piece of trashy! Come out and no hiding ILLIRIA and Llasskos, Dragon Ol' boy got Dim Sum for you two Greeky boys! Cum out and leave me your shields, for you two dirty spartans are naked like a homo! lol ;)

quite simply diunei, you are a pathological cowardly liar... your e-mail to various members the very morning of the deletion of the forum is indicitive of a coward liar.. you claimed that I posted a chat with gyrene after he and I disagreed on uk marines vs. American marines.. not true.. we disagreed over him wanting to call authorities on members.. quit twisting the facts..also, illaria and I never talked about fighting in nyc.. it just didn't happen.. you and dragon have tried and tried to paint me as the person who did this.. dragon is desperate to paint me as the guy who did this.. he can't stand to be wrong and have a fellow chinaman be wrong...you did this diunei and you know it.. your log in name itself is a sick, perverted translation and a violation of tos.. you bullied people endlessly in that forum..

 I wish regular members could see how you behaved in the moderators forum.. it was despicable.. and no, I could not access the moderators forum so your stupid theory goes out the window. wasn't it you who wanted to trace a large number of members such as llakos, scntip, and anyone else who criticised china? didn't you want to use your administrative access to the forum to do so? also, let's just ask illaria if I ever threatened to fight him in ny? let's ask Mundine if I ever called him on the phone as your idiotic buddy dragon claimed?

and now you are claiming that I called your house?! you are trying to desperately portray me as something I am not.. I understand that you are a pussy but this attempt to act like some poor victim is ridiculous. therefore, after dragon made that claim yet again I called your local Police Department and asked that your claim be fully investigated...funny, they don't seem to have any record of you calling them or making a report?! hmmm. could it be that you are lying?..anyway, if in fact you have received calls, they can easily get to the bottom of it along with your making a request to the telephone company..I doubt that it happened though.. btw, did you lock a thread in suggestions and complaints under Faz's log in name just before you closed the place down? did you not have the power to lock under your own log in? so why use Faz's log in? hmmmm.

 

seems that dragon is your biggest cheerleader but guess what?! the administrators have pretty much cleared me and flat out said you did it.. now network 54 has  said I wasn't responsible as well.. credit cards have nothing to do with obtaining a passcode.. just ask network 54.. Faz paid for the main forum so how could I have deleted the main forum even if credit cards could be used to obtain the passcode..?... you took several days to make up your story little boy and it doesn't hold water..one thing for sure, you are a pathetic coward trying to wiggle your way out of something..

 

btw, dragon is a coward.. he can't stand being wrong. he has kept up this charade in defense of you after switching his theories several times.. dragon, you are not allowed to copy threads from one forum to another unless I give you permission.. I didn't give you permission..

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since diunei is acting all innocent, I will divulge many of his posts in the gmf moderators forum where he constantly advocated using people's Ip addresses in order to find out where they lived.. screenshots don't lie.

 

 

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dragon one word for you. hahahahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahahahahaahhahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahhahhahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahaahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha............................................................




Like I said troll you better find a new chat forum home......


Ohh and about ILLIRIA, he has more class then your LYING @$$ dragon......Happy trolling midget..........



P.S. Where's your proof dragon, Oh I forgot you got NONE.....hahahahahahahaha

yeah dragon claims on msn to me  that he is trying to 'flame bait diunei' and gives me this huge apology but he is so embarrassed by being exposed as not crediblr that he again changes his versions.. lmao.

llakos, didn't diunei give you an address and ask for yours? all because you were saying negative things about china!?..he e-mailed me and asked me to use my gmf ownership to trace you.. I declined.. that address he gave was actually not his home.. it was his karate class.. he's a coward! lmao.

 

fact- diunei is making this 'phone call' stuff up.. total absurd lie! I will have that claim by him looked into and get a case number complete with results.. I bet anything that he never received any strange phone call as he keeps claiming..

fact- illaria and fantaros had huge fights in the moderators forum which spilled out into the greece and turkish forums. I tried to make peace between the two and at different times I managed to upset both...as for diunei's claims about landos and I, that is bull****..total rubbish.. landos said himself that my urging of the moderators to back off and stop overmoderating was a timesly and sensible thing to say..

fact- I didn't properly prepare any gmf moderators for waff moderating and that is my fault.. I never expected diunei to want to exceed the guidlines in place.. he agreed with everyone else that discipline would be progressive.. that anyone banned would get a temporary ban then a bit longer based on repeated offenses.. in diunei's case, he wanted permanent bans for those who bashed china and wanted to post thei home address.

 

fact- diunei claims he sent e-mail to ahmed and polizei the night before the deletion.. in that mail he talks about drastic measures he will be taking....he failed to post that he sent that mail to others as well and everyone agrees that he sounded very suspicious in that mail after they re-read it when the forum was deleted...diunei says that ahmed supported my banning but ahmed denies this.. hmmmm. more lies diunei?

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""llakos, didn't diunei give you an address and ask for yours?""

He sure did when dragon was flaming the U.S. and I responed to him about China, then diunei jumped into the flame and wanted to fight me. That was comidic.....Also whats funny at the time diunei knew dragon was flaming the U.S. and diunei still had the nerve to call me out when it was his buddies who started this whole ordeal.....You don't see me flaming with the Arabs or Iranians who have beef with the U.S. cause they don't flame out there @$$e$ as the Chinese DO!!!!!!!!!!!!

<b>
@Mike,

"yeah dragon claims on msn to me that he is trying to 'flame bait diunei' and gives me this huge apology but he is so embarrassed by being exposed as not crediblr that he again changes his versions.. lmao."</b>

- Correction Mike, during our MSN chat; I did told you my recent for my above two open letter posting to Diunei, the purpose it get Diunei to the forum and to explain his sides of the story to the group. I am glad, Diunei have return and given his side of the story.

- Also, as I have told you during our forum chat; I said, if Network54 and Comrade Faz find conclusive evident to clear you, I would apologize to you on the forum. As Comrade Faz have stayed an in conclusive result form Network54, for they can not pin point the source of this rat who have deleted WAFF; thus, it leave us in a stay of unknown. Since Comrade Faz have made his statement; and I am a man of my words, I still give you the benefit of the doubts and so I issue my open apology to you as above.

- But, this still leave us with an unknown question; who done it, why it was done, and for what reason. As I have said before, being unknowns does not mean proven innocent; until it is proven so! At the same time, being unknowns does not mean being guilty; until it is proven so!

- So at best, the three primed suspect have not been clear, not being vindicated; if this stay of affair is acceptable by the community, so be it! We just let this mystery be an unknowns ....... who done it!

<b>
"seems that dragon is your biggest cheerleader but guess what?! the administrators have pretty much cleared me and flat out said you did it.. now network 54 has said I wasn't responsible as well.. credit cards have nothing to do with obtaining a passcode.. just ask network 54.. Faz paid for the main forum so how could I have deleted the main forum even if credit cards could be used to obtain the passcode..?... you took several days to make up your story little boy and it doesn't hold water..one thing for sure, you are a pathetic coward trying to wiggle your way out of something.."</b>

- I forget to add, Mike; since Network54 said that credit card information were not used to obtain the Faz and Lunatic password; this effectively lay the question on three person who knows of the latest updated password, that is Diunei, UAE and Polizei. We have no problem with that!

well well,
See Dragon i dont pay too much attention to a pathological lier like you.You have no life, so i will chill, take my time, take my girlfriend and have few drinks and whenever i have some time i will respond to your monkey ass comments,
Damn you are pathetic.I honestly didn t believe this WAFF deletion will have a toll on you and expose you in such extent.
Diunei i told you on MSN Mike never said about coming to New York and fighting here.We talked on the phone always like friends, for hours many times. I even spoke to his wife, who wished me condolences when my grandmother had died.
Dragon, lonely cockroach,one more comment,
English is my fourth language, after albanian,Greek,Italian, so go and suck an egg with noodles now.

<b>
"well well,
See Dragon i dont pay too much attention to a pathological lier like you.You have no life, so i will chill, take my time, take my girlfriend and have few drinks and whenever i have some time i will respond to your monkey ass comments,
Damn you are pathetic.I honestly didn t believe this WAFF deletion will have a toll on you and expose you in such extent.
Diunei i told you on MSN Mike never said about coming to New York and fighting here.We talked on the phone always like friends, for hours many times. I even spoke to his wife, who wished me condolences when my grandmother had died.
Dragon, lonely cockroach,one more comment,
English is my fourth language, after albanian,Greek,Italian, so go and suck an egg with noodles now."</b>

- Hmm, I don't knows how you comes to the conclusion that I lied? For asking question is not a lies! Unlike you, Hollow Willow ( ILLIRIA ); you lack principle, integrity ..... for all you wanting is to gain brownie points! You don't care about the truth, nor do you care to blame innocent people for crimes they may not have committed.

- So, to a Hollow Willow liken yourself; you are un-important, and people on the forum see you will sway from one direction to the next ...... just so you can gain few token of brownie point! In other word, you are a cheap Intellectual Hooker! ROFLMao


BTW: Mr. Greek; your spelling still sucky, don't you cheap Greek have Ms-Words to make spelling correction! WTF: learning few language does not excuse for being lazy, for you can't even run your post into MS-word for spelling correction! You proves to be a lazy phucker, both intellectually and in person! Get a life and learn some logic and spelling while you at it!

dragon go fvck yourself.. no one cares what you think.. you speak only for yourself.. as pax said, 'stop giving orders like you are some committee or something..'

diunei said nothing that would lead any reasonable person to believe him..he thought up an excuse which took him a week to give the sorry explanation he did..

 

I have been backed by network 54, Faz and polizei while diunei is backed endlessly by...dragon...roflmao..

dragon-"Mike did this and is hiding'

Mike- 'I didn't do it'

dragon-'your explanation holds no water you must provide proof'

Mike then provides lots of proof and is backed by all the people who matter and would know.

dragon-'comrade diunei e-mailed me and said he didn't do it.. me thinks either Mike or Uae did this'

Mike-' I didn't do it and have proven that I didn't do it'

diunei (7 days later)-'I didn't do it'

dragon-'oh thanks comrade diunei.. there we have it the proof that must undoubtabley be true! I am so relieved at my comrade's explanation.now we know diunei didn't do it. Mike must have done it!'

 

dragon then does a google search for e-bay where he can try to buy some credibility.. his actions and biased behavior proves he has abosolutely no credibility.. lmao.

 

dragon= the lone voice in the wilderness...

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