I read your post on dragons forum..you said that steven's e-mail (worldsarmedforces@hotmail.com) was 'compromised'...did steven tell you this? how do you know?..I have never heard steven say this and no one else who regularly talks to him knows of this either..you suddenly appeared two days after this waff crisis and offered to help since you had 'all the e-mail addresses of the community'.. how is it you have this?

 

fact- the worldsarmedforces@hotmail.com e-mail addy is still the default e-mail address of the owner of waff because Faz never formally had all of the groups and subforums moved to his log in name..therefore, lunatic was still listed as the log in name owner... anytime a password is lost by the owner, it is resent by network 54 to that e-mail address.

fact-.you once had the lunatic password..when you had it, was it the same password steven used for his e-mail?

fact- you said that steven didn't use the worldsarmedforces@hotmail.com and used his school e-mail as his only means of communication..how do you know this?

 

I am beginning to think spartan that you knew the worldsarmedforces@hotmail.com password and had the lunatic log password resent by network 54..funny how you suddenly appeared wanting to 'help'..

after all, I wouldn't put it past you.. you are the one who pretended to be lunatic for months until I uncovered it and told mantis and ahmed. you even faked an urgent family matter and informed everyone under the lunatic log in that 'spartan is busy attending to family needs'..you went so far as to heap praise upon 'spartan' under the lunatic log in and tried to convince others that the waff forum should be disolved and go to another forum..all this was done by you under the guise of the lunatic log in.. people actually thought lunatic was in favor of moving out of network 54...remember when you wrote this quote under the lunatic log in?: 

'when spartan returns, he will have a plan for us'..

'time for spartan to build us a new home made of concrete and steel'

 

hmmmmm.

 

 

Mike,

- You open up a very good question; which I have also investigate for the possible reason how someone get hold of the latest updated password by Diunei.

- You see, inside the Network54; there is a Password Recovery Routine as listed in the following links. If anyone type in the userid email address for that particular userid; network54 automatically return the latest password of the id.

- So, theoretically, if someone knows the email address and able to read the email inside; then he can recover the latest Lunatic2666 and Faz password by running this recovery program to obtain the password. Also, with this back door path, the rat does not have to contact network54 to reset the password, which would require both Mike and Justin Credit Cards numbers for confirmation from network54.

- All this rat needed to do, is to run the password recovery, and then read the email in which the latest password is returned; so he will obtained the admin password. It would have been a major security oversigth on the admin part; for not resetting the email address used for Faz and Lunatic2666 Id; this could be the path where dirty troll can gain access to WAFF forum.



Password Recovery Program, Try It Everyone!
http://www.network54.com/Help/?topic=Accounts:Lost%20Password

here is spartans response he sent via e-mail....btw, he can post in my forum although his e-mail  subject title says he can't post in my forum...

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This is a response to your accusations. This is the second e-mail that I am
sending you.
. .




I got an e-mail that I was summoned! LOL

Point by point......

--I think it was in the beginning of summer when someone had registered
worldarmedforces@hotmail.com instead of worldsarmedforces@hotmail.com and
got a hold of some people password. At that time, I asked Lunatic to change
his e-mail address because people could confuse the two or worse still, it
may have been hacked. Steven said he was sure it was not.

--Since last September, I would NOT e-mail Lunatic anything to
worldsarmedforces@hotmail.com and would ONLY mail him at his school address.
Since I can see the IP of his school address, I can be reasonable sure it
was him.

--This weekend, either in chat or in Dragon's forum, I asked if Faz was
still using the worldsarmedforces@hotmail.com and I don't think anyone
replied. On Sunday, I was in chat with Lunatic and I were discussing what
could have happened, AGAIN I brought up the possibility of someone getting
access to the forum password through the e-mail. AGAIN, Lunatic was sure
that the worldsarmedforces@hotmail.com has not been hacked.

--At this point, I am not even sure if ANY of this is even valid if the
worldsarmedforces e-mail is not the forum e-mail addy. Faz may have changed
it. Then again, if Faz HAS changed it and it was public knowledge the same
thing still applies.

--Last weekend, people where pointing fingers at everyone (including YOU,
Mike) so I brought up the possibility and the potential of someone hacking
the forum e-mail account and accessing the forum password. To me, the act
was too malicious for any long standing forum member.

--My concern about forums getting hacked stems from me losing a forum and my
friend losing his forum TWICE. Because of that and the fact that WAFF has
been threatened so many times, I always backed up the e-mails AND a back-up
forum at the ready at a DIFFERENT host. What good is it to have a backup
forum in the same host if the host goes under? As far as the e-mail are
concerned, I still have them and they are current to Oct. 18, 2004.

--When I learned about what happened to WAFF in a different forum, I came
over to see what was going on. Things looked pretty chaotic and people
thought everything and everyone was lost. I thought that it would help calm
the situation if people knew that things would be okay and everyone could be
reached. On Sunday, when I was in chat with Lunatic, I asked him what I
should do with the e-mail list and he said to hold on to it and see what
happens. Now that Faz is back and if the e-mails are lost, I will send it to
him.

BTW, I knew that if I showed up and the smoking gun was not found, sooner or
later someone would yelp "Spartan did it". And even if I didn't get
involved, the same thing was going to happen anyway.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Through Lunatics, myself and Faz's time periods, WAFF was ALWAYS under
threat of closure. I was so sick and tired of it that I wanted to move the
community out of Network54 and into my own server where NOBODY could
threaten the forum (within reason) thus the "concrete and steel" metaphor.
Ultimatly, Faz may have to do that because the threat will still be there.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"fact-.you once had the lunatic password..when you had it, was it the same
password steven used for his e-mail?"

I don't know. I never asked for the forum e-mail password because he was
getting PRIVATE e-mails as well as forum business. At one point, I did ask
him if I can change the forum e-mail because I was concerned if Network54
was sending mail.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"fact- you said that steven didn't use the worldsarmedforces@hotmail.com and
used his school e-mail as his only means of communication..how do you know
this?"

Lunatic still thinks that the above e-mail is "safe".  He may use that
e-mail with OTHERS but I never used that e-mail and I have explained why. In
fact, on Sunday, I would NOT believe that Lost Soldier was Steven UNTIL he
e-mailed me from his school addy.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"I am beginning to think spartan that you knew the
worldsarmedforces@hotmail.com password and had the lunatic log password
resent by network 54..funny how you suddenly appeared wanting to 'help'.."

For someone who screams that you were unfairly accussed, you certainly can
accuse others at a whim and a fancy. It is interesting that at the time
where people where pointing fingers at you and Duinei, I brought up another
posssibility. The forums were turning into a cyber version of Lord of the
Flies and I wanted to calm the accusations at you two. This is how you
return the consideration? Thank you.

In conclussion....

Mike, if you want to spin and respin this and imply that I was involved,
well, there is nothing I can do other then turn the other cheek. I am not
entering the world of accusations and finger pointing......






P.S. This morning I did try the original forum password that I had and it
was NOT the same for the worldsarmedforces e-mail account. THANK GOD!

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Spartan never had the password for my e-mail (worldsarmedforces@hotmail.com), that e-mail is not compromised. The password is changed very often.

Worldsarmedforces@hotmail.com is no longer the owner's e-mail and I dont get e-mails regarding the forum any more. I.e membership applications

So relax everyone...

thanks steven.. spartan has often claimed that you have told him that your e-mail address was compromised.




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"spartan has often claimed that you have told him that your e-mail address was compromised."

Well Spartan has claimed this, never myself but ive no problem with that. Thats why i gave him my college e-mail which we now use to communicate.

I should have worded it differently.. he often said you told him that you thought your worldsarmedforces e-mail was compromised...anyway, thanks for your effort in clarifying everything..




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Did Network54 contact you ? Since you paid for the forums recently , you could prolly prove with Faz that you both owned the forum..

no. they contacted Faz who they consider the owner.. the problem is this:

the ownership transfer back in december went like this:

 

lunatic requests that the forum 211833 be transferred to Faz... meanwhile, before the transfer takes place, I pay for the upgrades under the lunatic log in and the upgrades are up within seconds.. then the transfer of ownership is approved for forum 211833 but not the subforums (which are actually technically seperate forums)...so now the main page (211833) loses the upgrades because lunatic (the account I paid for) no longer owns forum 211833 , the main page.. so now Faz has to pay for the main page.. in essence, network 54 got a double payment, one from me and one from Faz...then Faz tells network 54 to transfer the groups and they say it has to be done manually by him.. this means that over 2000 names have to be manually transferred... hence the reason why the lunatic log in owns the subforums and the Faz log in owns the single main page.

wouldn't it be easier for Faz to just start a thread telling everyone to apply under whatever group name instead of him having to dig and manually add people?..then all he has to do is approve them..right?

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worldsarmedforces@hotmail.com has always been lunatic`s email account. There is no doubt about that.

you`re right mike. To tell you the truth, i was worried bout the lurkers who number prolly ard 1000 registered members and it would be troubling to many. everyone will have to register again. but it`s prolly the most straight-forward approach. I will create a special e-mail to accomodate everyone though. i can`t use my own as it`s too small.

Nah. Mikroft@hotrmail.com was the default e-amil after worldsarmedforces@hotmail.com . It was changed by the person who deleted it; which is why we have to use the credit information to reset and retrive the pass-codes.

- After Spartan left( removal from ) the WAFF mod team; I don't believes he have further access or anything to do with WAFF, so it would be far fetch to say Spartan is the reason for this WAFF deletion incident.

- At this time, the three primed suspect are still Diunei, Mike, and UAE; unless or until Network54 can provide solid evidences to proves which regional IP address is used to login to Lunatic2666 and Faz admin id on that morning .... it will be hard press to clear the air and to determine the smelly rat!

let's see.. dragon apologized to me now still calls me a prime suspect... he has msned me and said he now suspects UAE and claims UAE is talking bad about me behind my back...hypocritical bumbling idiot anyone?

 

no one cares about your one man investigation dragon.. no one.

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""no one cares about your one man investigation dragon.. no one.""


I agree with mike.....

from the mail I am receiving, dragon has pretty much buried himself under aan avalanch of lack of credibility.. he was so quick to point his slimy fingers at me and try to influence everyone against me but when the evidence pointed to his chinese 'comrade', he suddenly said that Faz and polizei should stop speculation and wait on the 'evidence'....

 

double standards indeed.....made an ass out of himself.. again..

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Dragon, networks has already said it is`nt mike.

They also said they are unable to find out who did it. That being the case, it is best to let the matter go as it will just create more misunderstandings.

if there rearly is no way to find out its time for the recriminations to stop guys

I am glad Diunei has put his side of the story forward just for completneses sake though

seeing as er cant find out who did it lets draw a line under it and move on

just my tupence worth :)

<b>@Faz

"Dragon, networks has already said it is`nt mike.

They also said they are unable to find out who did it. That being the case, it is best to let the matter go as it will just create more misunderstandings."</b>

- This is a contradiction; since as you have said, the Network54 can not find out who done this ...... then who is Network54 able to clear Mike? Am I missing something; for the mechanic to determine innocent, should it not be the same to determine the guilty.

- Just for my understanding; what methods is used by Network54 to determine Mike innocent, if this is involves the use of IP address ..... then would this not allows clue us to which region of the IP address is used by the rat who actually deleted WAFF. Just curious to understand what methodology used by Network54 in their founding?


<b>
@Lee

"if there rearly is no way to find out its time for the recriminations to stop guys"</b>

- That is very true; since we can not determine the actual person who deleted WAFF, at least .... none of the suspect are guilty, and none of them are innocent! The question is now left to the imagination of the read; we have no problem with that. As far as I am concern, all there are innocent ..... so we closed and buried this for harmony! Amend!

Not sure how they did it Dragon. I don`t own networks. That`s what they said. I said this before. You always have the option of speaking to them all the time instead of solely relying on your own cache of information. Im sure you want to find out who did it but it will save you a lot of time, trouble and effort.

What I know is that they are aware that;

1) someone else (apart from the paid members(myself and Mike)shut it down

2) They did an investigation

3) They can`t find who did it

I release fore-with the correspondence of relevant mails with networks.

It is unfortunate and regrettable that it has come to this.

The membership is eager to get to know who did it. But in the absence of that capability to know who did it, they`d rather move on and not sit around. In that case, it would be better that you move on.
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From: Nick
To: 'Faz'
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:11 AM
Subject: RE: {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Nick. Need your urgent help.please read


Faz,



Not sure I understand your question about the back-up forums. Please explain.



Once, I confirm that cc match up, I’ll put your passwords for the logins. You should email the passwords you want for the two logins, and I will put them in that information.



We don’t know who deleted – but in the future, you should not give out the passwords to other members as this could happen again.



Regards,



Nick

N54 Customer Support Specialist


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----- Original Message -----
From: Nick
To: 'Faz'
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:33 AM
Subject: RE: {Spam?} Nick. Need your urgent help.please read


Faz,



I temporarily revived the forums, pending the investigation. However, I need the credit card number so that I can send the login/password information to someone. This is very important as these forums tend to generate responses that require moderating. They cannot be left without an owner. Without verification via the credit card, these forums will probably have to be shut again.



Please see what you can do.



Regards,



Nick

N54 Customer Support Specialist
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Mike,



Okay. So it looks as though someone else shut it down. Not much I can do, as Network 54 presumes that the owner has absolute control over whether the forum stays live or not. I could only revive the forums if I receive a request from the presumptive owner – i.e. someone who has the login and password.



Regards,



Nick

N54 Customer Support Specialist






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From: Free4moi@aol.com [mailto:Free4moi@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 10:25 AM
To: nick@network54.com
Subject: Re: Mike Murphy.

@Faz

- Thanks for sharing the correspondence letters between you and Nick; this is most helpful for everyone would like to move on regards to this incident, your in conclusive letter should at least clear the name for Diunei.

- Since there is no concrete proves that Diunei is the person deleted WAFF; I would urges all members from reframe to point pointing at Diunei, just as we should not pointing finger at Mike.

- To that effect, I believes Mike owned Comrade Diunei and Brother Abdullah an apology; for openly blames them for the WAFF deletion with out concrete evidence as posted on the following thread! So, this finger pointing games is not started by Diunei; hell, it is not started by any other members, accepts by Mike himself!


<b>"you all can thank diunei and BrotherAbdullah for waff being gone."</b> posted by MikeMurphy on February 24, 2005.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=269944&messageid=1109277663&lp=1109360990

lmao.. dragon you are so pathetic.. I don't owe you or your flunly midget coward diunei a damn thing! diunei is far from in the clear.. s a matter of fact, I will provide some full proof facts regarding him that will be quite eye opening.




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