For anyone that nos the current political stage in nothern ireland the british control the north. Would it be possible for the irish defence forces to keep control for the british? (I have no political affliteration when it comes to this)

why would we, there are more unionist/loyalist's then there are Republican/Nationalist's up there, anyway mute point, some people have the idea that the IRA are freedom fighter's, there not, they want a "united" Ireland under their marxist government, and to them I being a member of the defence forces am a traitor, so their as much my enemy as the Brit's, but to a purly military point, although we're in the process of a major re equipment drive, new AFV's, recon vehicles, uav's ect ect, no we couldn't to many hostiles upthere

(GLAINE AR GCROI, NEART AR NGEAG AGUS BEART DE REIR ARM MBRIARTHAR)

(I'd like to point out im irish born in Northern Ireland)

1- The irish defence forces may be possibly the worst army in Europe besides latvia, but even i know with your 8,500 strong army is more than adequately equiped to deal with the likes of the small force (royal irish) present in the north of Ireland who are mainly their to support the police.
2- For an irishman you should know that their is no greater cause than the freedom of ireland.
3- In my opinion that communist/marxist s**t is all finna fail* propaganda.
4- Tell your commanders "proper tanks" (insted of wheels) would be nice.
(well you can't but help be a little embarassed)
5- the unionist/nationalist population is nearly the same.
6- what does-(GLAINE AR GCROI, NEART AR NGEAG AGUS BEART DE REIR ARM MBRIARTHAR) mean?
7- Thank you for replienig to my original messege!

Ummm, in today's worls it's all about airpower, and lets just say that the UK would have that for sure. The UK isn't going to let itself be invaded, and you'd be trying to fight one of the most powerful countries on the planet.

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1- The irish defence forces may be possibly the worst army in Europe besides latvia, but even i know with your 8,500 strong army is more than adequately equiped to deal with the likes of the small force (royal irish) present in the north of Ireland who are mainly their to support the police.
2- For an irishman you should know that their is no greater cause than the freedom of ireland.
3- In my opinion that communist/marxist s**t is all finna fail* propaganda.
4- Tell your commanders "proper tanks" (insted of wheels) would be nice.
(well you can't but help be a little embarassed)
5- the unionist/nationalist population is nearly the same.
6- what does-(GLAINE AR GCROI, NEART AR NGEAG AGUS BEART DE REIR ARM MBRIARTHAR) mean?
7- Thank you for replienig to my original messege!<<



I'll take it point by point,

1.what can I say....that's wrong, we've alway's been highly professional, but yes we were poorly equipped, not so much really anymore, from armoured vehicles to helo's we're in the process of getting even an amphibious transport ship,, the Brit's in East Timor and Kosovo often complained that we had much better personell equipment then they did, we were also specifically requested to be the rapid reaction force fot the whole UN mission in Liberia, included under Irish command was the Swedish unit there,

2.ah yes the call to action for the Irish, the country will almost without question "reunite" one Day....the L/U will probably come around to the idea, maybe in a federalised system, but Irish freedom won't be won by blowing the crap out of people,they'll all vote on it one Day, either NI and the ROI will join up or it won't, doesn't really effect us, you have no idea how very little people down here care anymore,we just look North and see a bunch of barely out of the cave savages stoning and beating and kneecapping each other, we want no part of that, we've spent 80+ year's getting to the stage where we have a sucessful country with out mass emigration, or unemployed, we're not goingh to throw that all away to get some sort of fancifull utopian Sinn Fein ideal of a socialist Ireland, sorry if that's harsh but that's the way it is,

3.you should talk to Gerry and Martin then, there the one's who say it down here

4.you mean we should get tank's?.....why we're not going to be facing a Soviet Tank army driving throgh Wicklow,anyway I'll take our brand new Javelin ATGW's to take care of them nasty tamk's

5.yes they are, so what, if the Loyalist's say no to a joining then that's it, we will not force them, and we sure as hell will not take the place of the British but this time against the Loyalist's,we are not going to have an IDF version of Bloody Sunday

6.the purity of our heart's, the strenght of our limb's and the commitment to our promise", it's the motto of the ARW our SF unit


7. no problem , sorry for the delay






PS, sorry if I come on a little strong, it's not personell, just my opinion on the NI situation







(GLAINE AR GCROI, NEART AR NGEAG AGUS BEART DE REIR ARM MBRIARTHAR)

in response to banner man ill talk in depth with the points ill raise in my next post(busy stonein army)

-your supposed to defened us but the britsh cross the border 64 times annually
-you talk about mass immigaration acording to an irish servay in 2050 the irish will be a minority.
-you also mention how youve worked the last 80+ getting ireland succesful, ireland is notin with out the eu if not for membership ireland would be 3rd world.

-this is not an attack on ireland
-thanks for th response "banner man"

in response to banner man ill talk in depth with the points ill raise in my next post(busy stonein army)

-your supposed to defened us but the britsh cross the border 64 times annually
-you talk about mass immigaration acording to an irish servay in 2050 the irish will be a minority.
-you also mention how youve worked the last 80+ getting ireland succesful, ireland is notin with out the eu if not for membership ireland would be 3rd world.

-this is not an attack on ireland
-thanks for th response "banner man"<<

we're supposed to defend you?.....we can't protect the citizen's of a different country, that's an act of war if we crossed the border with intent, btw where did you get 64 times a year?

2.I know that survey, it's not Irish it was from a UK think tank and the Irishman on the board has disowned it as inaccurate and faniciful, have you read it?, I have, it's very funny, for it to come to pass, the "native" population would have to go into negative birth/death ratio, there would have to be annual 15% year on year increase of forign born person's entering the country for 35 year's!, plus a jump of 10% year on year increase in emigration, and it would still take 50 year's for that to happen, to put it simply there's more chance of us taking over the UK then there is that

3. never said it wasen't with out the EU, but we spent the structural aid on practical thing's, just look at the difference between us and Greece, they spend massive amount's on weapon's, by your logic they should be thriving like us, but there not, it's a 2 way thing, the EU help's but if your not on the ball yourself then it's wasted effort,btw you'd be surprised the number of NI "loyalist/uninionist" working down South, it's pretty funny and ironic, your right about the 3rd World part, we came close to it in the 80's but we learned the lesson


I know it's not an attack on Ireland, if I didn't this conversation would be going a different way

(GLAINE AR GCROI, NEART AR NGEAG AGUS BEART DE REIR ARM MBRIARTHAR)

when i said about defending the irish people i was reffering to the one south of the border because of several servays by am irish independent serveyers said that british forces cross of into ireland 64 times a year without irish detection and are to have knowen to assult irish civllians.Refare to such sites as:-
http://www.safrc.com/Militarisation/html/fru4.htm
(there is more i just cant be bothered to find them)

I know and you know if it was the other way around the brits would see this as an act of war.But what im angry about is that there garda or IDF were not ordered to increase border patrols and in the rare occasions the the british security forces were intercepted* the irish athouritys* escorted them back over the border.
Your a squadie in the IDF is their a proper protocal*? After all isnt your main role to defened the irish state? and really are the irsh defence forces really in any position to defened the state? and out of curiosity* if we were attacked by the brits could the IDF hold out against the briish if airpower was ruled out?(we sure as hell dont have that)and do you recon weed have allies if it was an unprovoced basis.and as for that sarcastic coment on us takin the uk bucking- ham palace would make a good barracks?
thanks for reponding to my last posts and not so harsh im only 15!
(*sorry for bad grammer)

when i said about defending the irish people i was reffering to the one south of the border because of several servays by am irish independent serveyers said that british forces cross of into ireland 64 times a year without irish detection and are to have knowen to assult irish civllians.Refare to such sites as:-
http://www.safrc.com/Militarisation/html/fru4.htm
(there is more i just cant be bothered to find them)

I know and you know if it was the other way around the brits would see this as an act of war.But what im angry about is that there garda or IDF were not ordered to increase border patrols and in the rare occasions the the british security forces were intercepted* the irish athouritys* escorted them back over the border.
Your a squadie in the IDF is their a proper protocal*? After all isnt your main role to defened the irish state? and really are the irsh defence forces really in any position to defened the state? and out of curiosity* if we were attacked by the brits could the IDF hold out against the briish if airpower was ruled out?(we sure as hell dont have that)and do you recon weed have allies if it was an unprovoced basis.and as for that sarcastic coment on us takin the uk bucking- ham palace would make a good barracks?
thanks for reponding to my last posts and not so harsh im only 15!
(*sorry for bad grammer)<<


firstly that number 64 is bogus, in 2004 it was 7, 3 foot patrol's, 2 vehicle and 2 helo, the border is not demarcated well, if at all in certain places, you can walk across a field and be in the Republic with out realising, it's not fenced or walled in any way, and yes we know almost instantly if the border is crossed, we do have radar and ground sensor's up there to track illicit entry, it's not just the Brit's with all the cool ****, even the SAS have been caught crossing a few time's although 99% of those were accidental,and no it has happend twice to the IDF crossing the border and the BA didn't say anything, infact in pursuit of someone who flee's across the border the IDF or Gardi can cross with out stopping the same for the PSNI, this isn't the 19th century anymore we're allies with the UK, I've even served alongside them in Kosovo and we still do, we train with them, member's ofour SF unit were in Belize at the jungle warfare school. although yes there are regiment's that do hold "anti Irish" views,mostly the Scottish and to a lesser extent the Para's, but the exact opposite is true for the Royal marines, never met a nicer bucnch, although I guess it's because of all the Irish lad's in it , I can't get into SOP's for us, with you sorry, it's a no go area, could we hold out ifthe Brit's had no airpower,....Ireland is bad tank country so they'd lack that advantage, we do have ATGW, and a highly trained professional military, we have and are getting first rate kit......in the short term yes we probably could hold them off, we could cause alot of casualties more then the Iraqi's have managed for sure, and that's what it come's down to, would we be just too hard a nut to crack, we'd give them a hell of a ****ty time of it, there would be no safe zone for them, and after the conventional war ended there would probably be a protracted guerrilla war like usual here, we'd be talking of British casualties running at hundred's dead a year, I don't know if they'd think we're worth it.........but it's never going to happen, and yes we probably would have allies

(GLAINE AR GCROI, NEART AR NGEAG AGUS BEART DE REIR ARM MBRIARTHAR)

oh BTW just to make clear, we wouldn't be winning many battle's against the Brit's, but it would be like Afghanistan for the Russian's or Vietnam for the US, they'd win the battle's but have unsustainable casulaties forcing a political solution

(GLAINE AR GCROI, NEART AR NGEAG AGUS BEART DE REIR ARM MBRIARTHAR)

fair enough, you can detect if the brits cross the border,but strictly speaking what are you suppose to do with them? detain them? have G2 interagate them? i know bertie had kittens (i have the aritcal(not a british paper))!!! and yes to be fair most of these incersions are "99%" as you put it are accidental but what about the other 1% and how do you know this is accidental? I no the police have halted gardi (in persuit) at the black lion border cross and threaghted to arrest them!

btw Ireands is europes no.1 recuitment ground for foriegn intelligence agencys.

My My My I never knew this place was still active!

Intersting descusion here no doubt however its not going to happen Ireland and the Uk are friends now its no the early 1900's anymore and there an insain amount of Southern Irish lads in HM Forces. If we tried to invade we would have to leave half the army at home!

BTW you may want to head over to WAFF thats where 99% of the posts actualy are GMF is kind of the emergency back up in case anything goes wrong

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