Let's take that apartFebruary 8 2010 at 11:51 AM
Vince (Login MoxiFox)
Response to It's a life of faith Vince
[ Rom. 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. ]
The Greek word for "whom" is not gender specific. It simply meant "who, which, what, or that." Look carefully at that verse. It speaks of a SINGLE person ... since this person would be "the FIRSTBORN" .... among many brethren. Moreover, this person would be "conformed to the image" ... of his son.
Remember, Paul's Jesus existed ONLY in his mind, through divine revelation. He saw his Jesus Christ as having gone through betrayal, crucifixion by peers in the heavens, and then his resurrection in the heavens. This was the heavenly prototype for something that would be duplicated on earth amongst humans. He believed that a HUMAN Jesus Christ would appear on earth amongst humans. This human would be predestinated to fulfill the role and he would be justified to fulfill it. He would be the firstborn ... with many others following to become his brethren. This person would be conformed to the IMAGE ... of the Jesus Christ in the heavens .... whom Paul had seen in his revelations.
In verse 30, Paul speaks of those brethren ... who were ALSO predestined and called .... in a comparative way to the first one who was predestined and called.
If you think of it in terms of a Sculptor picking a piece of marble to work with ...he doesn't just take any old hunk of marble and start chiseling away on it and then decides later, to chuck it because -oops- it has flaws in the wrong places which interfere with his statue. That's much too wasteful. No, he carefully chooses and then inspects the piece from all angles to see exactly how he's going to bring his "image" to reality ...within that block of raw marble. He predestines this block to be his statue and then he justifies it by shaping his statue to evade all of the flaws contained in the marble.
So too, the ONE (person) who was going to serve as the "firstborn" was carefully chosen on the same basis. He became "predestined" to conform to the image of the heavenly (cosmic) Jesus Christ that had been shown to Paul.
Then, perhaps, the firstborn would similarly choose his own stones to sculpture? I'm not sure.
So these verses have nothing to do with having or losing salvation ... do they? They ALL have to do with being chosen to DO some kind of special work ... which will BRING salvation to others who aren't chosen for this special work. Kind of like a politician is chosen to do a work for the common people to bring them "salvation" from something they don't like.