beliefs do come from somewhere.....February 5 2011 at 3:38 PM
|Yvonne/Zafana (no login)|
Response to Re: I challenge u
ICEMAN: Obviously your beliefs came from somewhere. They weren't just absorbed through osmosis.
ME: my beliefs came from experience with reality; ever hear of "deep thoughts"? Well these come from deep experiences or they are just theories: If they come from experience, the thoughts follow the experience; if they come from theories, the experience may or may NOT follow.....
ICEMAN: You also keep quoteing the Bible scriptures so obviously you do study religion. At least the Bible. You've based your beliefs upon a God and Christianity and affirm that as the true faith. And so it is to you.
ME: I use the Biblical language to EXPRESS my experience because science hasn't FINE TUNED a language yet for the experience I had, even though it has come close......and will eventually explain it...
ICEMAN: Why critisize those who question? Why critisize the curosity of others? Why critisize anyone for the desire to learn about any of the great traditions, and the meaning they convey to others. What is wrong in understanding the joy and comfort they provide.
ME: there is nothing wrong with curiosity, desire to learn, great traditions......I speak of these all the time.....how they overlap and explain reality to the level that we are able to experience it and still live in the body....
ICEMAN: Yes! Mondo has a open mind and a mind that seeks knowledge not from a single source. He seems not to be grounded in belief other than being in spiritual comfort, and enjoining the world in a beneficial manner. He does that just as I do - in learning from experience and others.
ME: An open mind is great but it isn't enough in the end; The more a scientist finds the truth, the MORE FINE TUNED his mind must become: what begins as "everything goes" in theory, becomes "building billion dollar machines to prove one tiny point of reality": thats fine tuning: you have to know when the open the mind and when to SHUT out the noise that tries to KEEP you from hearing the radio station you found while dialing around....
ICEMAN: There is nothing in writing about my beliefs other than what a few european translators have taken the time to try to interpret. Sadly they label most of it myth. An example of ethnocentricity spouted by religious dogma.
ME: religion is a language that can be interpreted in many ways; for the immature it is in story form; for the developing it is in "meaning" behind the story: for the mature it explains the experience of OUR reality in a language that can be understood on other levels as well:
ICEMAN: And why do you assume you are more spiritual, or have more knowlege about life and the message than others? Your challenge is in itself a contridiction of the message.
ME: I never speak of what others have; they usually tell me what I don't have when I tell them what I have: CHECK it out if you don't believe me: If I tell you what I experienced and instead of telling me what you experienced you tell me what you DONT BELIEVE about my experience, who is really telling you about OTHERS? the person who says they believe or don't believe you.........not the person who is expressing their experience: For instance, if you experienced a trip to the South Pole and tell me about it and I haven't and tell you I don't believe what you experienced, who is being critical? who is being narrow minded? Who is challanging the message?? now if I also went to the south pole and tell you of my EXPERIENCE there and it turns out to be different, then we can say that we are both right; but to tell me that you don't believe what I experienced at the south pole doesn't make me the arguementative critical one at all:
ICEMAN: Disagreement is natural - that doesn't mean anyone is right. It's the resistance to ideas that is the failure.
ME: again........please try to hear me if you can.......or not.....I am not talking about "beliefs", or "ideas", but the experience of what all science is looking for....and I found it while in the body as most religious writers have........