Personal or non-personal is irrelevant.June 22 2011 at 8:53 AM
Doc Strange (Login edstrange13)
Response to what about...
Kate said: what about a non-personal greater good?
Whether it's personal or non-personal is irrelevant. I see no evidence of it, personal or non-personal. So, I guess I gotta ask...
Do you have evidence of this greater good? No, you say?
Then how do you know it's there?
And if you have no way to detect it... why believe in it?
NOTE: "There just HAS to be" isn't a rational answer. There doesn't "have" to be anything.
Kate said: As an atheist or agnostic, if you knew an 80 year old woman lived next door -- didn't know the lady personally, just maybe had seen her a few times -- and her house was on fire, would you take reasonable measures to save her? Would you take heroic measures to save her, if you thought you could save her?
Why or why not?
Ah, the "you can't be a good person without god" argument.
Of course I'd try to save her, even if she was a perfect stranger. I'd risk my life to save her. You see, atheists do good... not because some deity wants them to be good... they're good because it's the right thing to do. And considering that atheists don't believe in an afterlife, I would do whatever I could to save the old lady and the only life she will ever have.
Which is more noble? The theist who does good because they want to get into heaven, or the atheist because he cares about the welfare of his fellow humans?
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion." -- Robert M. Pirsig
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