We need to keep in mindJanuary 6 2012 at 6:34 PM
Vince (Login MoxiFox)
Response to The discussion is getting a bit confounded.
-watch and observe and digest- exactly HOW something is being used.
I see the pattern all over the place. Someone comes up with a really good, powerful idea. Almost immediately that idea is hijacked by people with totally nefarious and evil motives.
Just because something good has been stolen and perverted into something evil ... doesn't automatically mean that the entire thing should be condemned.
People continually get into heated emotional arguments over issues because of personal experience or because of idealistic brain-washed ideas they've impounded into their minds and fail to analyze the issues objectively.
Should drugs be "legalized" ... for example.
Should prostitution be "legalized"?
Should universal health care be implemented?
Should health food practitioners be banned from operating?
Is AA just a money-grabbing operation?
The problem is institutionalization. Whenever something is turned into a legal institution or forced on people, it is immediately subject to corruption and exploitation by those who are empowered to control the institution. THAT is the problem.
Doc Strange claims that AA is just a scam for extorting money ... because of his personal experience. A few others claim that AA has HELPED them (but of course, they weren't FORCED into anything).
Is AA a good or bad thing? Well, essentially, it's just a psychological tool to enable "victims" to gain an understanding of their condition ... to offer group support for helping them get control of their lives ... and to get them to understand THEMSELVES better.
I can see nothing wrong whatsoever, with the AA "solution" ... as long as it's totally hands off and arm's length from trying to force something on anyone. Take it or leave it. If you don't like the AA idea then leave it alone! It's really just that simple ... or should be.
People want to believe in God? Why not "let" them? Heck, belief in God is really not that much different from belief in AA. The principles are the same.
People have a propensity or need to believe in SOMETHING. A person who believes in nothing is what -a dormant person? We all operate on an idea that our lives are meaningful in some way to persons other than ourselves ... right? If our lives don't mean anything to anyone else ... can our minds accept the idea that there is ANY meaning at all ... even to ourselves?
So basically, we ALL believe that there is something greater than just ourselves and that ... we want to connect and be part of that greater thing.
AA might call it "God". Christians and other religious people call it "God". A spiritually awakened atheist would call it something else but would STILL perceive that this "entity" was something greater than him/herself.
A person who is totally self-absorbed and myopic to any other feelings than his own ... will be a very miserable person and will have to find some way -chemical or hypnotic- to escape from his miserable reality.
And ... I think that's precisely what the AA program intends to do: get such self-absorbed people woken up to the realization of the greater world around them.