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Ah yeah... what he said.

April 10 2012 at 8:37 PM
  (Login ArtieDent)


Response to Belief is assumed (personal) truth

I think.

Scientists believe. We cant personally experience or test everything. I believe that the atom can be split. I believe I can split the atom.

I believe the Nile starts at Lake Victoria, in Uganda. I havent tested these claims, but know that others have and that I can also test these claims gives me confidence in their truth.

How can I know that you have a brown sweater and blue Jeans on at present? In practice I cant. You might be wearing everything, or nothing and I'd be none the wiser.

You can tell me, and given a history of knowing how accurate your comments are then I can deduce that the chances are good that you arent running around butt naked.

I can also consider the fact thsat you do know whether you are dressed or not.

But when you claim that Jesus was resurrected (which is a pretty preposterous claim of course) there are so many reasons why you might be wrong.

Its a gigantic claim, and its a tenuous reason for thinking it might be true. Especially when I hear that the bible has been modified hundreds of years to make that claim. The witnesses were well and truly dead when the claim surfaced.

Do I believe what you've told me?

Whats wrong with provisionally accepting a claim, subject to further proof? I believe many things (in the sense of accepting something subject to proof) and I know many things which have been verified. There dont seem to be many christians who can tell the difference, in fact they seem to intentionally ignore them, by inserting such adjectives as "know" "proof" "fact" constantly, something they dont have.

I accept that you have a ticket, that you probably wont win, that you are wearing jeans, and believe in god. I dont know these things, I just register the claim as having been made.


"Feeling" is great for trying to form a hypothesis, it is irrelevant for proving something as fact.

Feeling that god is true, doesnt help prove it, it gets in the way of proof usually, and should be put aside.

Good scientists might be passionate about a hypothesis, they should also dispassionately test it. If they cant put it to death when its wrong, someone else will.

How do you feel about the bible having been created for 500 years without mention of resurrected?

Do your feelings make a difference here?




Zombie Jesus who sort of came back from the dead...

Away in a graveyard, a stone overhead
The zombie lord Jesus is raised from the dead
The bones and the corpses are at his command
And rise like their master to swarm o'er the land!
The women are screaming, then running away
Poor Mary and Martha are gnawed where they lay
I fear thee, lord Jesus, your curséd undeath
With worms in your bowels and rot on your breath.
Have mercy, lord Jesus, don't eat me today
Next year I'll be bigger, I promise! I pray
Some shaman or rabbi or priestess or such
Will stake you and save us from your deadly touch.

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I know Bible literalists apologists have their explanations, but they are ultimately just band aids over bull sh!t.

Biblical Pitfalls http://www.network54.com/Forum/660399/

 
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