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    • truth-b-told (Login JVH)
      Posted Apr 21, 2010 1:20 PM

      The illusive Jesus the Christ

      There is this supernatural man, Jesus, born of a virgin, traveling the country-side, who: performs miracles; starts a movement; is a nuisance to Romans and Jews alike; is killed; comes back to life again, and all the while other supernatural occurences directly related to this supernatural man's existence take place.
      A remarkable person like this doesn't go unnoticed, neither do directly related and even so remarkle events. Yet, independent, contemporary commentators/historians - all of them - somehow decide to not note it down?

      The NT

      According to the NT, a supernatural Jesus the Christ was a historical person. When trying to substantiate that claim, it proves problematic due to the lack of independent, contemporary ie during-the-events, corroborating, verifiable accounts of a supernatural Jesus the Christ as portrayed (in the NT).

      It appears impossible to produce demonstrable, firsthand witness accounts outside the NT gospels about a supernatural Jesus the Christ as portrayed (in the NT). Nor do we seem to have self-written manuscripts, works of carpentry, dwellings i.e. artifacts. There seems to be no demonstrable trace of this supernatural person himself.

      Even though the writings of several independent, contemporary commentators/historians have survived and remain to form a library available for perusal, there's not a single sentence of this supernatural Jesus and/or the supernatural occurences directly related to this supernatural man's existence.

      Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny (the Younger), Suetonius et al

      Even when the passages apparently referring to Jesus/Christ are genuine, none of them qualify as personal, eyewitness testimonies of the alleged authors themselves in respect to a historical and supernatural Jesus the Christ as portrayed in the NT.

      None of the authors lived during the purported advent of the supernatural Jesus the Christ as their birth dates will confirm. Their words therefore, are hearsay - which explains how come none of them claim they have personally met or witnessed a supernatural Jesus the Christ - because what they are saying is what was being said. These authors share this characteristic with the gospel authors.

      Except for an introduction in "Luke" -in which it is stated what is to follow is hearsay- the gospels are not signed and are written in the third person perspective (as by an invisible narrator). The authors never situate themselves within the unfolding narrative nor give any hint they themselves were involved in the events described. Several narratives even involve Jesus by himself without any witnesses present.

      A Silent Witness

      Aren't there any witnesses then who had an interest in noting down the exceptional adventures of Jesus and his band of merry men as they happened?
      Yes, there are a few, and all are silent in the field. One of them however, sticks out as the proverbial sore thumb.

      Hellenistic Jewish historian and philosopher Philo (of Alexandria) (25 B.C.E.-47 C.E.) living at the purported time of Jesus; a contemporary therefore, and at the right place; Jerusalem thus, is someone, given the nature of his works; the main themes of biblical thought - the relation of God and man, one would expect to mention a supernatural person of his time in direct relation to God. Yet, Philo, of all people, who had all the reasons to comment upon a god-man of his time, makes no mention of a supernatural Jesus the Christ whatsoever.

      As it so happens then, we have an excellent witness to the events in Judaea and the Jewish diaspora in the first half of the first century CE.

      Yet, Philo says not a word about a supernatural Jesus the Christ, Christianity, nor any of the related events described in the New Testament. In all his work, Philo makes not a single reference to this alleged contemporary "Jesus the Christ"; the god-man who supposedly was traveling up and down the Levant performing all kinds of miracles, who got himself killed and then came back to life again.

      Odd, very odd, but only if we believe a supernatural Jesus and his merry men existed and that they established the church. Then again, when we recognize that the Christian fable was still at an early stage of development when Philo was pondering the relationship of god and man, there is nothing strange here at all.


      And we have returned to square one: the lack of verifiable documentation of firsthand, during-the-event accounts outside the NT leading to the doubt about a historical and supernatural Jesus the Christ as portrayed in the NT.

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