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February 6 2010 at 7:18 PM

seapanther  (Login seapanther)

Is this a parallel universe? How did I get here?

Strangely, I was at the url for Bartlett's Familiar Quotations and was morphed into a bible discussion? Ok; I'll try to fit in.

With thanks to the webgods.


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Bob
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Hey - a ray of light

February 6 2010, 7:31 PM 

This den of iniquity could use a miracle or two

Welcome from me.



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Thanks a lot, Bob

February 6 2010, 7:38 PM 

I'm an atheist ray of sunshine ; ). I may have climbed out of some primordial soup and ended up here (Mondo probably had a hand in it), and I'll do my best to be civilized as possible.

Btw, love your nuturing garden. Bob springs eternal.

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Miracles'R'Us

February 6 2010, 7:35 PM 

Yes, you are at the right forum. All fit in here. happy.gif

Welcome!


 
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seapanther
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I Knew It; It's Mondo!

February 6 2010, 7:42 PM 

Our posts crossed paths, Mondo. Thanks to you and all.

One day I'll find out how I got here; now it's too much fun to bother.


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Welcome fellow surfer and traveler.

February 6 2010, 7:39 PM 


May strength and peace be with you as you navigate the denizens that frequent this truck stop.

 
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seapanther
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Thanks, Noob

February 6 2010, 7:47 PM 

Did I wander onto an Ice Road? We'll get it all thawed out in no time. Seems like a great place for a 'Hello' and a discussion or two.


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Not sure about any miracles

February 6 2010, 7:54 PM 

but lots of stuff up for discussion; some of it is even relevant happy.gif

I'm Pam aka Mrs. Mondo...nice to meet you.

 
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seapanther
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Uh Oh Pam!

February 6 2010, 9:11 PM 

Thanks for saying 'hello', Mrs. Mondo. I think I'll just assign half of my being here to you! And thanks again.

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hello SP

February 6 2010, 7:57 PM 

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It is my SINCERE Prayer that you were brought here
not by chance, but so you may somehow come to know
and believe that God is Whom the Holy Bible says
He is, and Jesus came here from Heaven approximately
2000 years ago to make the ultimate sacrifice to save
anyone wise enough to believe in Him from sure death.

In Jesus's Glorious Name, i pray!

Amen happy.gif

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I wonder John

February 6 2010, 8:05 PM 

if people who are atheists were at one time Christian? To be a Christian seems to take a lot of faith and willingness to overlook some "foggy" details. I see a lot of discussion between literal and mythical interpretations of biblical events (Noah and the Ark for example) and I wonder sometimes if trying to reconcile it all turns people away? I know for myself, I want to believe in something that makes sense, not something that I have to work at to believe. Honestly, it all gave me such a head ache! Reading over the past few years between Christians and others regarding bible interpretation hasn't exactly cleared anything up for me happy.gif

Sorry to go on but reading your post made me wonder about it.

 
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i am honored that you would post that to me

February 6 2010, 8:33 PM 

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Here it is in a nutshell ....

BELIEVE and be "Saved"

that's basically it, dear Pam happy.gif

the reason you feel the need to learn all these things
like what really happened with Noah, et al, is because
you frequent these Bible discussion forums where gnostics
and lukewarm Christians shake and bake and dissect every
nook and cranny wthin the Holy Book's pages.

i am here to tell you that being a child of the King
is as easy as simply believing that this world needs
a Saviour, and God sent His only begotten Son here
to be that Saviour, and all we have to do is accept it
with no shaking, baking, dissecting, or questioning
everything that is not shining clear!

Just believe, and when in doubt?? PRAY, Pam.

Pray to the Father in Jesus's Name. Ask Him to
reveal things to you in a way you will understand

Everything else will fall into place.

Love ya! happy.gif

In Jesus, forever!

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Seems pretty simplistic to me

February 6 2010, 8:37 PM 

but I appreciate the reply. I just have a hard time letting go of some things that don't seem to be very "nice" in my books. For example...I can't reconcile that unless you believe in one very specific way you will go to hell. That doesn't seem to be a very loving God. I know I'm being simplistic with that as well and that it goes deeper than that, but that is where some of my discord comes from, in a nutshell.

 
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I don't blame you one bit! I am the same way

February 6 2010, 8:43 PM 

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That's why i am now a NON-DENOMINATIONAL Believer!! happy.gif

i don't believe any specific way i simpy BELIEVE!

and Pam, the evidence keeps growing and growing that
Jesus is real, He is here in my heart, and He
loves me like noone else does or even CAN!!

i will keep you in my prayers! And i don't just say that!

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Warm * Hug }}}}}}}}}}}}}}

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Vince
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Exactly

February 6 2010, 8:44 PM 

God supposedly made/makes ALL people ...

But he chooses one tiny bunch to be his pets. They are to do war with the others. It's pure foolishness.

-Vince

 
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who the heck ...

February 6 2010, 8:48 PM 

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... ever told you that we are supposed to make war with anyone??

Our mission is to love and tell others of Jesus. thats it.

i have no desire WHATSOEVER to make war with anyone! so Nah! happy.gif

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hmmm... That's not what you've told me before.

February 6 2010, 8:52 PM 


"We're in a battle"... "There is a war"... Those are things that I remember you saying. What did I not understand?

 
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Jay
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Re: Well now

February 6 2010, 8:56 PM 

What context did Johnuse Noob? I think I am the one that went into the military not John.

You come across as trying to stir the pot noob and I think you have that intent...jmv

 
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You consider this pot-stirring?

February 6 2010, 9:06 PM 

That's interesting.

In his post John says "Who the heck... ever told you that we are supposed to make war with anyone??". It seems clear to me that John is asking how anyone could draw such a conclusion because it makes no sense to him.

So... I showed John how I drew those same conclusions and why his statements are confusing, if not outright contradictory. And asked John what it is that I'm not understanding that holds his comments together.

How is that not a logical progression to clarify misunderstandings?

 
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Jay
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Kinda yes

February 6 2010, 9:15 PM 

I have read John make many statements about not going to war noob, however; he has also referred to war with principalities, demons and satan I suppose but I don't recall his ever supporting war like unto say Vietnam of the gulf war etc. Just curious how does John support war in your opinion?

 
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Well, that could be the misunderstanding.

February 6 2010, 9:19 PM 


I believe that John is against physical war. He has stated other types of battles and wars that he embraces, however -- the "war with principalities" as you've put it.

I interpreted both Vince's comments and John's replies to be regarding "wars against principalities". Not about a physical war of attacking people and nations.

I know of few people on the forums that advocate war.

 
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Jay
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Re: Well, that could be the misunderstanding.

February 6 2010, 9:27 PM 

Ok I understand now a slight misunderstanding of what is meant by war.

 
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seapanther
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POT STIRRING

February 6 2010, 9:20 PM 

If there no pot, or nothing in that non-pot to stir, this forum would be blank. ; )



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Ms. Panther, I respectfully disagree

February 6 2010, 9:25 PM 

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You have a point that this forum would not be
as active without so-called "pot stirring",
but blank? lol

Methinks not. happy.gif

Mondo is a peacenik, and he has enough topics
to where this forum would still be alive and
even interesting without any pot stirring.

Hope your Saturday's goin well, dear. Nice to
see a new face.

*Hugs

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Point Taken, John

February 6 2010, 9:53 PM 

I should have used more precise terms than 'pot stirring'. Since, however, the 'pot stirring' to which I responded applies to each and every subject on the docket here, and may be taken to mean questioning, disagreeing--perhaps at times disrespectfully--I stand by my statements.

Mondo does keep many interesting subjects in play here, and it's all the subjects to which I refer. I should have taken my own advice, John, and stated my case more precisely.

I'm happy to be corrected for my own preached doctrine. Hugs, John.


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If it helps...

February 6 2010, 10:11 PM 


To understand the context, several of the folks of this forum have known each other for several years. It turns out that the term "pot-Stirring" has multiple meanings with this group. For example, some will consider this post to be "pot-stirring". There are those that consider every post that I make to be "pot stirring". There are others whose every post is considered "pot stirring" by some. In general, it's the surfacing old and long-standing arguments (sometimes heated and emotional) that really will never be resolved. A lot of times it is simply an argumentative response that of itself, is "pot-stirring". That concept exceeds the abilities of several to grasp, which creates yet another type of "pot-stirring" that is affectionately referred to as "playing chess with the retards".

A welcoming word to the wise.

 
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LOL, noob!

February 6 2010, 10:32 PM 

Great explanation--I do need a clue or two at times! Pot stirring can be taken negatively or positively at all times, even when it's meant to be taken the opposite.

We all know the written word conveys not too much tone or intent, so it's easy to misunderstand. Qualifying words such as 'please' and 'thanks' only go so far, and many will take something the wrong way just because some think that way *normally?*.

No matter how elegant (KISS) a post may be, it's bound to be misunderstood and I've quit worrying about what some people infer from my terms. That's why I try to be precise.

We've gone quite a long distance tonight without getting into a knock down drag out 'tiff'. A good bet would be "how much longer can polite last?" ; )

It is helpful to know the background of the forum in order to understand it from the inside. Thanks for the tips, noob.


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I cannot tell you.....

February 7 2010, 1:42 AM 

how glad you are here sea.....


honestly......

try not to get too frustrated...i am goign to sit back and watch this unfold....no one i know supports their position better than you do and doesn't take crap either.

trust me....mostly this site is alike being at the zoo trying not to let the monkey hit you as he flings his feces your way....

anyhow...hope you are well...have missed you at jim's.

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Thanks, GERARD

February 7 2010, 2:48 AM 

No sense in becoming frustrated; no reason either. Thanks for your support. I think we'll navigate this site with the civility that all correspondence deserves.

If anyone flings, I'll deflect. Not a problem though I must confess I didn't expect that much resistance to logic!

See you here.


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Of course, the Ultimate Pot-Stirrer...

February 7 2010, 5:31 AM 


Is THIS Guy...
When he shows up...
Things can get really HOT...!

BTW...
I would have said "Hello" earlier...
But, I've been busy...
-- "playing chess with the retards".

Perhaps not the most productive pastime...
But...
-- Quite entertaining.

-PRev1-




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I thought you were gonna say Jesus

February 8 2010, 9:42 AM 

He sure did stir the pot!


 
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Pope Reverend I, BV
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That wasn't a pot...

February 8 2010, 9:53 AM 


That was a Can of Worms...!

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Vince
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Pot stirring

February 6 2010, 10:34 PM 

has many harmonics. Some of them are odd and unpleasant to the ear.

-Vince

 
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Haha

February 7 2010, 1:36 AM 

amuzingly well said....i hate allowing myself to be a retard at times....grin

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seapanther
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Any God and His/Her Plan

February 6 2010, 9:03 PM 

God and Jesus have a very complex set that's necessary for one to be saved. It's not so simple to take all of God's philosophies and put them into a nutshell, John. Would you agree?

I see another problem, John, in your term "BELIEVE". Believe what? Also in being "saved". Saved from what?

One may garner some disrespect from such imprecise language, John, by almost anyone. One cannot, in reality, live a life by a few words in a nutshell.

While the language of religion and the language of science and other disciplines are very different and many times oppositional, it is necessary to speak in terms that everyone can understand. I confess that I don't understand many groupings of terms you have used above.

Any God should be strong enough to be questioned. There is no disrespect meant; to attempt to learn about your God by discussion is a compliment that shows many are open and respectfully curious. My wish is that you would use terms that are constructs that everyone can understand. Thanks.

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Any God and His/Her Plan

February 6 2010, 9:20 PM 

The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. - The Bible

 
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I am sorry if it displeases you to know how simple Jesus's plan is

February 6 2010, 9:32 PM 

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However, the fact is: Believe in Jesus, IOW believe
that He once walked among men and that He exists now in
Heaven, tell others about your belief, love your
neighbor, do unto others as you would have them
do unto you, and leave the rest up to Him {Jesus}

That's really all there is to it, luv.

Honest! happy.gif

As I explained to Pam, the rest will fall into place.

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Yep, quite simple

February 6 2010, 9:45 PM 

The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. - The Bible

 
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That's not Biblical -- here is the key to eternal life according to Jesus

February 6 2010, 9:59 PM 

And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. 22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich. And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved? And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

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Re: That's not Biblical -- here is the key to eternal life according to Jesus

February 7 2010, 2:23 AM 

SO what is your point Mondo? Just curious. What must one do?

 
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NOT AT All Displeased, JOHN--Occam's Razor Works For Me

February 6 2010, 10:13 PM 

I am happy to know any fact. My criterion for knowing when to believe is proof. A simple belief means nothing whatsoever to me; a belief or non-belief may or may not be true no matter who believes or doesn't believe.

Before one states a belief in a God, due to my reliance of 'logic and the scientific method', one must first prove that there is a God in which to believe.

There's my simplicity, in a very substantial nutshell, John. Accept it? What do you think, John?

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God be praised.

February 6 2010, 10:26 PM 


A new poster that embraces logic and understands Occam's Razor.

Praise the Lord, and pass the logical propositions! This is indeed a blessing.

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seapanther
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NOOB

February 6 2010, 10:40 PM 

Now all that needs to be known is which God gave this blessing. I'm pretty darn curious.

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There is only one.

February 6 2010, 10:51 PM 

The one that is beyond the reach of all understanding, knowledge, reason, and logic.

If you're a believer in holism, the whole can always be expanded to a larger context - ad infinitum.

If you're a believer in reductionism, the parts can be reduced into smaller and smaller contexts - ad infinitum.

The unanswerable questions inevitably reduced to:
- how, why, when... was the universe created?
- how, why, when... was life created?
- how, why, when... was consciousness/knowledge created?

And if those are answered, it will only beg even more questions. The only simple answer left is faith... And what we place our faith in... Simple, pure, and logical.

fwiw... I am a Christian, although many won't support me in that statement. (A potentially pot-stirring comment, but it is the truth.)

edited to add: This is my opinion/belief. It may, or may not, coincide with what actually is.

 
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Reason precedes Sentiment

February 6 2010, 10:36 PM 

The individual, in the process of forming an opinion, examines carefully all of the facts of the matter, forms a hypothesis, and then attempts to disprove its own hypothesis. After a certain amount of rigorous examination and refutation of its own hypothesis, the individual may or may not conclude that the hypothesis is sound.

If the hypothesis does not survive close examination and refutation, it is discarded and a new hypothesis is formed. If the hypothesis is sound, the indidvidual incorporates it into its world view.

In the process of incorporating the hypothesis or idea into its world view, the individual attaches certain sentiments to the idea; the idea becomes a "belief".

In short: reason precedes sentiment. Unfortunately, this is the rare mode of thinking (reasoning).


'here are the demonstrable facts, what conclusion can we draw from them'
VS
'here's the conclusion, what facts can we conjure to support it'

 
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We all have our reality tunnels

February 6 2010, 10:55 PM 

For many, or most, it may be said that usually reason precedes sentiment. But there are certain issues that are clouded for whatever reason.


 
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truthbetold
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Apparently

February 7 2010, 1:39 AM 

... and it may be said that usually reason precedes sentiment, it is actually the opposite that proves true, again and again.

The opposite of reason precedes sentiment (the rare mode) is, as we might guess, sentiment precedes reason (the common mode).

Sentiment is the foundation of all thought, it is the motive force behind thought. So, even before a hypothesis is formed, there is sentiment, but there are competing sentiments and it is the hallmark of the rational mind to allow reason to be the justification for sentiment. Once a rational/reasoned hypothesis is decided upon among competing hypotheses, a sentiment is chosen from competing sentiments and attached to the idea.

Sentiment preceding reason is, by far, the most common form of thinking (reasoning).

In this mode of reasoning, a sentiment is chosen first from competing sentiments, then hypotheses are formed to "rationalize" the sentiment. The individual seeks facts and ideas which justify the sentiment. This is an inferior and primitive form of thinking because the individual "rationalizes" emotions. Why does the individual choose one sentiment over another? What is the justification for choosing one sentiment over another at first? That's just it, there is no justification, it is irrational.

To a large extent it depends on the imagery of childhood experience, an imagery which can be influenced and controlled by early exposure to propaganda and indoctrination (lovingly called upbringing and education). People who apply emotional thinking are easily susceptible to imagery and pandering, and the efficacy of propaganda is directly proportional to the percentage of people engaging in emotional thinking.

It's learned behaviour really.

In short:

'here are the demonstrable facts, what conclusion can we draw from them' : reason precedes sentiment

'here's the conclusion, what facts can we conjure to support it : sentiment precedes reason



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Excellent post.

February 7 2010, 6:45 AM 


This triggers much thought, even some "cognitive dissonance" to resolve.

Results yet to come.

Thank you.

 
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Excellent post.

February 8 2010, 5:38 AM 

You're welcome.

As for this state of mental tension caused when confronted with contradicting cognitions; when pre-existing sentiment is challenged by incontrovertible evidence to the contrary which results in rationalizing (ad hoc), i.e., myopic focus on facts, logic, or experience which reinforces the already existing worldview, the following might be interesting.


Resistance to evidence which exposes or threatens a person's philosophy is well known to behavioural science. We do not give up our convictions easily, we somehow fear to have them challenged. We find it very difficult to accept evidence when it is opposed to our basic beliefs. In other words: primary cognitions of the emotional thinker confronted with unassailable secondary cognitions results in cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive Dissonance is a mental state of tension which occurs when primary cognitions are confronted with indisputably contradicting secondary cognitions, by what they infer, rendering the primary cognitions no longer maintainable. Cognitions confirming primary cognitons is thus 'friend', cognitions contradicting primary cognitions is therefore 'foe'.

Since the emotional thinker feels compelled to nullify 'new' secondary cognitions in conflict with 'old' primary cognitions - meant to somehow maintain them in order to do away with the unpleasant (mental) tension caused by what the contradicting 'new' secondary cognitons infer - the emotionalist will rationalize the 'old' primary cognitions although they can no longer be maintained rationally due to what the contradicting 'new' secondary cognitions undeniably reveal.

In order to assimilate inconsistent information to an existing worldview anyway, the emotional thinker will increase the number of consistent cognitions, thereby 'reducing' the dissonance. This involves rationalizing, i.e., myopic focus on facts, logic, or experience which reinforces an existing worldview (the Ad Hoc 'Rescue'). Or, the offending inconsistent cognitions are dismissed altogether as a result of this myopic focus on extant consistent cognitions.

It is called "rationalizing" because the emotionalist seeks out semi-logical and ill-logical conclusions using extant and even newly created (thereby consistant) cognitions through prevarication and such in order to find a way to invalidate the inconsistent cognitions. This, of course, is intellectually dishonest when done wittingly and when done 'unwittingly', the result of conditioning - habit, conviction, believe and so on. Either way, they are expressions, consciously and subconsciously, of the dogmatic refusal to face up to (the possibility of) being mistaken/wrong.

Again, learned behaviour really.



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Believing 'your' opinion is fact is sheer arrogance

 
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Pope Reverend I, BV
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Quite "simple" -- Yet, misleading.. at best.

February 7 2010, 1:08 PM 


Because...
THAT is not precisely what you believe.
And, if you were to take the time to consider...
Precisely what it IS that you believe...
You would be able to understand that...
What you believe IS, by far...
Much More Complicated...
Than that which you profess.

For instance...

You Say: Believe in Jesus,
IOW believe that He once walked among men
However...
Even though I believe that Jesus walked among men...
-- Having been born the son of Mary and Joseph...
-- Jesus was the legitimate heir to both...
-- The High Priesthood of the Zadokite Lineage...
-- AND... The Royal Throne of David.
THAT, according to YOUR beliefs...
-- Is not enough.

Because...
-- We differ on the very definition of Jesus himself.

You Say: and that He exists now in Heaven
And, as a Universalist...
I can honestly say that I believe THAT to be True Too.
However...
Once again...
My belief, according to YOUR belief...
-- Is not enough.

Because...
-- We differ on the definition of... "Heaven".

You Say: tell others about your belief
But, when I do that...
Your beliefs are offended...
And I am declared to be...
-- A Heretic and a Reprobate.

You Say: love your neighbor,
do unto others as you would have them do unto you,
Which, I agree, seems to be a perfectly fine philosophy to live by...
And, it should be sufficient to say that...
-- I do believe I've got that covered.

You Say: and leave the rest up to Him {Jesus}
However...
When I did that...
I was led to the beliefs which I hold Today.
Beliefs which...
-- Because You are not yet able to comprehend...
Once again...
Are declared to be...
-- Lies and Heresy.

And, of course, as I have pointed out before...
Yours isn't the ONLY belief structure...
To be held, beneath the Theological Umbrella of "christianity".

Yes, John...
There are others, also proclaiming to be "christians"...
-- Who believe differently than YOU.
And, according to THEIR beliefs...
YOUR beliefs would be considered to be...
-- The Anathematic Prattlings of Heresy.

So, you see, John...
Your belief is more complicated...
-- Than you profess it to be.

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Hi There, John Beckett777

February 6 2010, 8:11 PM 

Thanks for your sweet welcome. Right now I'm blaming Bartlett and Mondo, but it may have been a higher power that brought me here.

Time may tell--or someone will keep it a secret! Anyway, I'm pleased to be here.


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Vince
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Time has never told me anything yet

February 6 2010, 8:33 PM 

So I think it's about time it does.

What you say, time?

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Vince, you're still young yet!

February 6 2010, 8:35 PM 

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Vince
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Von Klumpen

I kinda doubt it

February 6 2010, 8:41 PM 

I can tell time; time aint nevah told me nuthin.

-Vince

 
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Bob
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Sufi

Time is an interesting thing

February 7 2010, 10:38 PM 

I am a (very) amateur photographer and I love taking pictures that show time. Old decaying buildings (and people) are great examples. Some day I may post some of them.

From the song 'When You and I were Young, Maggie'
"They say that I'm feeble with age, Maggie,
My steps are less sprightly than then,
My face is a well-written page, Maggie,
And time alone was the pen. "


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