First of all you claim to be a universalist, then move on to SECULAR universalism, meaning ALL will be going to heaven in spite of the fact you don't believe in the God of the Bible
Now you're making yourself evfgen MORE the fool by manipulating what you claimed to mean something completely different from what you were first trying to ifer.
r> It doesn't say that Cain Was Left Out...
N> the universalist rev fraud.....if it doesn't say Cain was left out you were trying to instill your BS by implying it was saying Cain was saved. However, as I told you before rev. JUST BECAUSE you're stupid doesn't mean EVERYBODY is just as stupid as you are. ESPECIALLY ME. IOW rev. when it comes to me you WILL LOSE, not because of me but because of WHO is IN ME.
Now rev, PAY ATTENTION to WHAT I asked... I asked you to ..Show me Cain in heaven rev. I'm not asking you about others, I'm asking you to show me CAIN in HEAVEN. To respond with what it doesn't say IS NOT the answer to what I asked. So I'll ask it AGAIN rev.
..Show me Cain in heaven rev. I'm not asking you about others, I'm asking you to show me CAIN in HEAVEN.
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Now the next place you got caught with your pants down is where you said ..
r. Cain's eternal resting place cannot be determined...
You didn't say that AT ALL rev you liar....In the link you pointed to that statement was NOT THERE AT ALL
Hebrews 11:32 --
And what more shall I say? For time will fail me if I tell of
Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets...
There's just not enough time to mention everyone, Nucc...
Sooooo...
In THIS Chapter...
Rabbi Shecky, author of the Book of Hebrews...
-- Was ONLY Giving the Highlights.
N> That STILL doesn't give me what I asked you for rev. You're the universalist.
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So my questions remain rev.
Now I KNOW you're REALLY SLOW rev, but here's the question I asked again for about the 14th time now.
Heb 11:4
4 By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous, God testifying about his gifts, and through faith, though he is dead, he still speaks. (NAS)
Show me Cain in heaven rev. I'm not asking you about others, I'm asking you to show me CAIN in HEAVEN.
I also asked follow up questions that you're ALSO running away from rev.
HERE THEY ARE...
Show me ANYONE in Scripture from Scripture that has past from THIS LIFE in UNBELIEF that is found in heaven. You still haven't answered those questions asked of you months ago. Also explain secular universalism.
Since you are a SECULAR UNIVERSALIST, show me Cain in heaven WITHOUT using the Scriptures, since you can't do it from the Scriptures, and while you're at it show me ANYONE that has passed from this life in unbelief that is found in heaven. You can even enlist Mondo who has about as much intelligence as you do about secular universalism.
I await your answer
Unless we LOVE the truth, we cannot know it ~~ Pascal
Don't ask you questions you can't answer. Universalists are just stupid. That's not hard to reason Striver. I already showed you that you know nothing. Now you've admitted it. That's all I need to know. Go to university and come out with less brains than when you went in. LOL
Unless we LOVE the truth, we cannot know it ~~ Pascal
It is well known that Fundies prefer the invisible to the demonstrable, but please read the following. I'll shorten it, hopefully without losing its meaning.
I copied the following from "The Tao of Physics."
The classical contrast between solid particles and the space surrounding them is completely overcome. The quantum field is seen as the fundamental physical entity; a continuous medium present everywhere in space. PARTICLES ARE MERELY LOCAL CONDENSATIONS OF THE FIELD; CONCENTRATIONS OF ENERGIES THAT COME AND GO, THEREBY LOSING THEIR INDIVIDUAL CHARACTER AND DISSOLVING INTO THE UNDERLYING FIELD.
In the words of Albert Einstein:
We may therefore regard matter as being constituted by the regions of space in which the field is extremely intense.
There is no place in this new kind of physics both for the field and matter, for the field (intense space, Nucc, but space nonetheless) is the only reality.
Our sun is a condensation of space.
Our planet is a piece of the sun ejected from the sun by the sun's centrifugal force. Our planet is space at it lowest frequency.
Buddhist aphorism: Matter is Spirit at it's lowest frequency and Spirit is Matter at its highest.
Our planet is, therefore, space. Please don't cause some on this board to be embarrassed for you by denying that our planet, there we, is Space at its Matter frequency.
So it doesn't matter if God made patti-cake with some Earth (some sun...some space, some Matter) and created us, or if the Creator Aspect of the Trinity of homogeneous Aspects (not Persons) composing Space created us via the evolutionary process. Either way, we are that part of the planet, therefore the sun, therefore space, that got up and walked, later thought.
We are made of space, and it doesn't matter whether or not you choose to believe it. Carl Sagan said astronomers can see 100 'new' solar systems form every second. No, that's not a typo...every second.
Being made of space, we are made of the universe. WE ARE ALL , therefore, UNIVERSALISTS. We have no choice. Being ignorant of this in no way negates its being true.
Many interesting VISIBLE astro-events are seen via the Hubble. But so far, no God, Heaven, or Satan have been identified.
You obviously are determined to be among the Hares, while others have opted for Tortoise status. Have a good sleep! When you awaken, don't be frightened. That strange world you see will be the 30th century. Don't look for a Bible, or shouting Preachers polluting the cosmic web with their sermons of condemnations. There won't be any...anywhere!
FYI, I didn't learn the above while in L.S.U. I was a journalism major. I learned a lot of history, but no physics. You could learn it too. Of course it would rquire you turning you billiard ball mind into a sponge.
... have you ever noticed that the invisible and the non-existent look very much alike?
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People are intrinsically intelligent
When people are put together, they could become a herd
When people turn a herd, they could become sheeple
When people turn sheeple, they could become dumb animals
When people turn dumb animals, they become treated as such
You're diverting with subjective conjecture Striver
April 21 2010, 6:14 AM
You're ignoring REALITY as well as my questions
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S> But back to this God business. ..God is Space and space is God.
N> You've gone off topic here Striver and are diverting from my question to you. You ORIGINALLY SAID........
S> What the scientist calls energy, the spiritual man calls God,
You were EQUATING ENERGY with God....
I responded with If energy is equated to God then you surely must be able to prove scientifically that energy is eternal. Let's see if you can prove this without breaking the laws of science.
The SPIRITUAL man sees God has having NO BEGINNING and NO END. All you've attempted to convince me of is that energy cannot die. Since the TRULY SPIRITUAL MAN sees God as having NO BEGINNING can you equate ENERGY with God SCIENTIFICALLY as having NO BEGINNING WITHOUT BREAKING THE LAWS of SCIENCE?
In your response there is NOTHING whatsover showing that ENERGY has NO BEGINNING so WHERE IS THE ANSWER to my question that you've claimed you answered?
Now you're claiming God is space and space is God. I'm sure you are aware that modern science is now owing up to a beginning. So you're claiming that SPACE existed before the universe existed. Tell me Striver what are the physics that made up the SPACE that caused the universe to begin and what is the makeup in SPACE that caused SPACE to create the universe? Remembering of course that you must explain so WITHOUT BREAKING THE LAWS of science.
Unless we LOVE the truth, we cannot know it ~~ Pascal
There are probably stupid people in all belief systems of the world, and some very intelligent people too.
Making emotional claims that some whole group of people are stupid does not reflect on that group of people in the least, but it does reflect on the individual making the statement.
go on with living the rest of your life. It's going to take Nucc many THOUSANDS of coffees before he finally arrives. Go ahead and live. There's no chance of missing him when he arrives. He'll be crossing the finish line as 10 nanometers per hour.
And what an excuse for MANY lattes and MUCH reading - waiting for Godot!
"Let us not waste our time in idle discourse! (Pause. Vehemently.) Let us do something, while we have the chance! It is not every day that we are needed. But at this place, at this moment of time, all mankind is us, whether we like it or not. Let us make the most of it, before it is too late!"
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