the three main characters in the Bible are


God ............Israel............the nations



God is the spirit of LIFE........Holy of Holies of the temple (we are)

Israel is the HEART................Inner court only Israel could enter



nations is the mind................the outer court or animal nature.....




these are perceived in the brain as


Primal brain.....Lymbic systerm/emotional brain - memory ...and.....mind/thinking/reasoning/information


when God speaks to Israel he is speaking to the heart of man




he exiles them within the nations (mindset of all the world)



when he reconcilles the world to himself, he comes first to the lost sheep (desires for God) of the house of Israel, the heart..........hence God looks at the heart........the inner man of the heart


and when HE VISITS ISRAEL the heart.............it becomes a LIGHT for the nations/mind



if you can read the Bible with this knowledge you will understand



when GOD VISITS THE HEART....he overturns the mindset....and inverts the power from mind to heart as the first power......because he rules from here......from the heart



the heart is called heaven, hence the heavens are his throne and the Kingdom of heaven is within you


and the earth is his footstool, he walks around the mind.......giving it the focus it needs to consider the heart of the matter:


God comes in Christ...........to form the NEW MAN or inner man of the heart.....JESUS

Yvonne, you should have been born 100 or 500 years ago.

What you teach is NOT end time knowledge.
But you teach ALL time knowledge.

And end time knowledge and all time knowledge are very different.
Did you realize that Yvonne?

All time knowledge will condemn the end time believers.
You need to know this Yvonne.

You may ask why and how....
But you know Yvonne. And so do I.

Bro Tim

All time knowledge will condemn the end time believers.
You need to know this Yvonne.

ME: Tim, how can anyone who has the knowledge of God and his LOVE condemn anyone?


I am the one getting all the condemnation from every corner......Christian, non christian, Jew, everyone except a few who have compassion......for someone like me who had to endure what I did to get the knowlege of God............

but LOVE is the end of knowledge.........

there is NO CONDEMNATION TO those who are "IN CHRIST"

anyone who has knowledge of God............knows this most of all:

""ME: Tim, how can anyone who has the knowledge of God and his LOVE condemn anyone?""

Who do you trust to be quickened and not?



""I am the one getting all the condemnation from every corner......Christian, non christian, Jew, everyone except a few who have compassion......for someone like me who had to endure what I did to get the knowlege of God.""

Your price was great. And I hear you Sister.



"but LOVE is the end of knowledge."

Not the end, but the beginning in a new world Sister Yvonne. A world where it is so beautiful you never imagined.



""there is NO CONDEMNATION TO those who are "IN CHRIST""

Those who are in Jesus Christ understand the blood shed and torture Jesus gave for our redemption.



""anyone who has knowledge of God...knows this most of all:""

Yes, and tears fill my eyes and I must remember to breath. You butt head, don't do that to me....

WOW I must sound like a real psycho to you.

Bro Tim in Jesus the Son of GOD Almighty.

Time to get off the pity wagon "y".

The only difficulty people have with you is your arcane biblical interpretations. That doesn't mean people don't read them or show some interest. It also doesn't mean they have to agree or accept them.

Madam Blavatsky engaged in her own world concepts, yet was a prolific writer with many followers. I personally thought she was somewhat outlandish, but to each their own.

Helen Schuman is another. And of course there is Joesph Smith who still has many followers. I could also mention Jim Jones and David Koresh whose ideas were quite profound yet ended with really sad results. They too felt their ideas persecuted, yet they still had believers and followers.

Atheism has no such concepts, ideas, or doctrines. Atheism would not exist were it not for religion and it's condemnation of those who don't buy into religious ideas.

mine is chosen for me by the fact of my spiritual experience: Like a soldier who went through war or a woman who lost a child or an addict who overcomes or a defender of other causes.......mine was chosen for me by the fact of my experience:

what I try to do is BRING THE ARCHAIC to the plain langauge, scientifically based, historically based, not just my opinon;

I know its difficult to see that and those who achieve this goal in life by having followers are no more purposeful and adamant in their purpose than I am:

its the only life I have to work with and this is what I do, accepted or not:


I would think people who are scientifically minded would be happy to understand what things really mean in the Bible but they aren't;

and people who believe in the Bible aren't happy to hear that some of us have to EXPERIENCE IT TO understand it either....

if other peoples opinions were enough to get me to find another purpose, it wasn't much of a purpose

so carry on everyone....

do what you will........its everyones life........free to live it and choose how and what to focus on

I respect that about others.........



I am almost over being sad that those who believe the same book I do, can't hear me........almost

I'm not critizeing you. In fact I think your quite pleasant. Just that your not going to catch many fish with your brand of bait. And I guess that's perfectly O.K.

However, I personally don't see anything mystical about the Bible. The old Talmadic law served a purpose in it's time - and living in the middle east back then probably wasn't much better than today. The Babloynians had a number of religions, but again they served a purpose as to time and culture-same with the Egyptians. But all their ancient writings don't necessarily portray wisdom or secret knowledge. Some Rabbis formed mystical cults and wrote mystical letters (Kabbalah)but it served no purpose and its mystery was only important to those who believed in its mystcism. Lastly the New Testimont isn't ancient writing The oldest is still less than two G years and most are about 1700 years. There is nothing scientific, authoritative, or of cultural benifit in what they say. I think that the huge european muslim influence occurring from about 700 up until almost 1400 had a vast impact, in both Bible and Koran literary redactions. There was also a cultural infuence of Islam within european christainity (mostly Roman Church) and Judaism.

As to beliefs: There are countless narratives about a god or gods, about superhuman beings, animals, plants and about the first people on earth. They are the truth to people who believe in them and live by them. Their purpose is to provide people guidance and spiritual strength.

Myths around the world were created by people who sensed the wonder and glory of the universe. Lonely as they were, by themselves, early people looked inside themselves and expressed a longing to discover, to explain who they were, why they were, and from what and where they came.

Like you I don't see a lot of mysticism in the Bible. Although I appreciate and prefer an esoteric and mystical view of it -- because the literalist view is pedestrian and embarrassing. Truly a superstitious fairy tale with a literal reading, and quite useless and pointless.

The thought occurs to me that the basis of religion was morality, not vice versa. Morality was encoded in the religion, a small set of beliefs really to begin. The priests and psychopaths got a hold of it .. and we see the results over the past 2000 years or so. Somehow it seems the monotheistic religions are the most infected. Or maybe that is just my limited world view.

 

It may have seemed a good idea at the time, religion ... but really, when we take the short route and identify the main theme of most, if not all, religions ... then what's the mystery here?

When dealing with abstractions
one should treat them as such
if not, one is mistaken, dishonest
or ...... but let's not go there .....

Religion may have started out quite innocently - meant to convey and direct by means of all sorts of symbolism towards truth' - soon it became misconception. Eventually, wittingly or unwittingly, it became misdirection and finally turned organized and institutionalized.
See "Cargo Cults"; a micro of the macro, to get an idea of how the religion principle 'works'; how it starts out and what it, over time, turns in to (mimicry).

If "your" 'God' happens to like and dislike
the same things you do, it kind of exposes
the mystery ... doesn't it?

When we identify the main theme of, and shared by, most, if not all, religions, then we will find religion rather mundane; policy; humbuggery even.

When assertions can only be accepted on faith, it is acknowledged what is proposed cannot be taken on its own merits.

The pontifications of people throughout history appear to be more about wishful thinking regarding traits of "God" than anything else. "God" as described by people, is nothing more than projection. And then, to form vast institutions that study and advocate one hypothesis over another and have those institutions spawn cultures and spin-off institutions that go to war for their ideals for 1000's of years, each side having their "prophets" and "chosen", and each side giving promise to what will happen in the afterlife, seems to indicate that the religious parts of all this is an arce; a load of BS the world has been sold in A GLOBAL RELIGIOUS CONSPIRITCY TO DOMINATE MANKIND!

If believers would actually know
what they claim the know, they would be
known as knowers, not as believers

Cheekyness aside, the religious institutions do seem to lack credibility for themselves and their actions. "Christianity" for instance, is a self-evident example of this:

There are millions and millions of "Christians" the world all over; they make up about one-third of the world population. When all, most, the majority or a majority of these "Christians" would act in accordance with what "the word" is supposed to mean and/or stand for, the world would be a different place. It isn't.

And that, my friends, tells us more than any believer ever could, yet does.

The problem ardent believers face
is that explicit entails implicit, always.
The implications of their own dogmas
undermine the explicit doctrine those
dogmas depend upon.

I rest the case

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rejected and denied by many, accepted and embraced by few : incontrovertibility
- it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -

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