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May 22 2012 at 12:51 PM

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consider

May 22 2012, 2:05 PM 

http://livesavours.yuku.com/topic/1740/BLACK-HOLES-the-SINGULARITY-and-the-COMING-OF-CHRIST


this is a video of physics and the NOTES I made as I listened to the video and then I explained how I understood what they said according to PERSONAL EXPERIENCE


meaning within my OWN BRAIN

since the brain is the LAST FRONTEIR............the only fronteir

 
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Tim
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I agree... We don't realy know anything....

May 23 2012, 2:05 AM 

We guess and that is what some call science.

You hit it Mondo! wink.gif

Good job Bro.
Tim


 
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Arthur Dent
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Sorry Tim, you have a habit of guessing wrong.

May 23 2012, 7:36 AM 

and thats because...


We dont know ourselves with our finite senses, but guess what?

That was science that found out.

You guess and thats called religion and superstition (OK... superstition is part of religion)


Religion guessed and gets it wrong, science extended our senses, and our brains and gave us the facts.


Your statement was 100% ass backwards Tim. sorry...


Religion has always been a poor guess, its scientific method that came up with the facts.

You jumped for the answer you wanted, not for the answer that the evidence offered.


thats the difference.



 
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JVH say
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Sufi

Arthur.....

May 23 2012, 9:07 AM 

 

.... science doesn't "come up" with facts, it doesn't invent any (that seems to be the metier of religion), rather, science examines facts and explains them, to best of its ability - after all, the very nature of fact demands it already exists.

 

propositions which imply their own negation are necessarily false
and propositions implied by their own negation necessarily true




rejected and denied by many, accepted and embraced by few : falsifiability
- it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -

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Pope Reverend I, BV
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I do believe...

May 23 2012, 10:25 AM 


You are reading your own Misconstruction...
Of Mr Dent's message...
-- INTO... Mr Dent's message.

In saying that...
-- "Religion has always been a poor guess"...
While...
-- "Scientific Method Came Up With the facts"...
Mr Dent has, quite clearly, conveyed the message that...
Scientific METHOD...
-- Reveals; Uncovers; Discovers; Imparts; and, Demonstates...
Facts which the Church, through THEIR "Methodology"...
Had Previously Consigned to the Realm of Imaginative Ignorance.

In other words...
Mr Dent SAID...
While the Church is quite content...
-- To Make it Up...
Science Chooses...
-- To Discover The Truth.

Was there a reason for your little game of...
-- Obfuscatory Semantics...?
Or...
Were you truly confused...
As to the intention...
Of Mr Dent's comments...?

-PRev1-




President Barrack Hussein Obama
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-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --


"If you suddenly think Stephen Colbert is truly right wing, that's when I would worry."
-- Neuropsychologist Katherine Rankin.

 
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Believe whatever you want

May 23 2012, 11:05 AM 

 

... just don't expect me to do the same, okay?

 I read into it what I read into it, apparently, and you read into it what you read into it, obviously.

Now what?

 

propositions which imply their own negation are necessarily false
and propositions implied by their own negation necessarily true




rejected and denied by many, accepted and embraced by few : falsifiability
- it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -

New!! Improved!! Now With CDEH-Formula!!
[linked image]

CD: short for inevitability

 
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Pope Reverend I, BV
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Now what...?

May 23 2012, 11:39 AM 


Now, I suppose...
We'll just have to wait...
For Mr Dent to clarify his position.

Perhaps...
There's a Third Reading of the text...
Which both of us have missed.

-PRev1-

 
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Arthur Dent
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Yes, I think JVH intentionally misconstrued my statement as well...

May 23 2012, 8:33 PM 

Two lines earlier I'd said ...

"science extended our senses, and our brains and gave us the facts." so my meaning should have been clear.

I said it in the sense that science gave us the ability to discover the facts.

obviously.

 
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Pope Reverend I, BV
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Von Klumpen

Thank You for that Clarification, Mr Dent...

May 23 2012, 10:28 PM 


So...
We can now see that...
There Exists...
-- NO Mysterious Third Reading of the text.
And...
The interpretation given by our dear friend JVH...
Was, as suspected...
-- Merely, in Error.

-PRev1-




President Barrack Hussein Obama
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-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --


"If you suddenly think Stephen Colbert is truly right wing, that's when I would worry."
-- Neuropsychologist Katherine Rankin.

 
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And I think JVH intentionally affirmed your position

May 24 2012, 3:58 AM 

 

Weird uh?




rejected and denied by many, accepted and embraced by few : falsifiability
- it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -

New!! Improved!! Now With CDEH-Formula!!
[linked image]

CD: short for inevitability

 
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Pope Reverend I, BV
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Von Klumpen

Actually, the affirmation was entirely Unintentional.

May 24 2012, 10:53 AM 


Since you were under the misapprehension that...
Mr Dent was saying something contrary...
-- To Your Stated Position.

However...
As it turns out...
-- In the end...
You were both saying the same thing...
Sooooo...
-- Everybody's Happy...!

Oh my...
-- Good Golly...!
For a minute there...
I felt as though...
We had all just entered...

-- The Twilight Zone...!

Now, how's THAT for "Weird"...
-- huhn...?

-PRev1-

 
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.... the affirmation was entirely Unintentional?

May 25 2012, 2:56 AM 

I entirely unintentionally affirmed what I affirmed?

Uh huh, of course. happy.gif

 

I don't know if someone ever had the guts to inform you, but really, you seem to have developped this habit of being able to sound like someone who would tell the author of a book what the book is about.

 

propositions which imply their own negation are necessarily false
whereas propositions implied by their own negation are necessarily true




rejected and denied by many, accepted and embraced by few : falsifiability
- it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -

New!! Improved!! Now With CDEH-Formula!!
[linked image]

CD: short for inevitability

 
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Pope Reverend I, BV
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Von Klumpen

The shortest distance between two points...

May 25 2012, 2:33 PM 


Is a straight line.
But......
You can't get here from there.

Care to try again...?

-PRev1-




President Barrack Hussein Obama
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-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --


"If you suddenly think Stephen Colbert is truly right wing, that's when I would worry."
-- Neuropsychologist Katherine Rankin.

 
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butttttt

May 23 2012, 11:55 AM 

science can only measure by FINITE senses..........

this is why I am trying to make the POINT that all measure is done from within our own senses


the brain is the MEASURE of all reality

but what we don't understand ...........till we do........that the BRAIN has sensors that can measure beyond the five, but these are DEEEP within the brain which is why only those who have religious experiences can MEASURE another reality

while it must be measured by the same brain, we have to remember the same brain can sense through sight, sound, touch, taste and yes

it is able to measure another dimension, but for this to happen, the BRAIN has to be ENTERED like a scientific experiment

and most people are not brave enough YET to take that journey

so, nature will PUSH THEM..........that time is here


 
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Pope Reverend I, BV
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Von Klumpen

Your brain and body are both... finite.

May 23 2012, 3:32 PM 


Therefore...
YOU are incapable of "experiencing" the Infinite.

However...
IF the Brain COULD "measure another dimension"...
Then...
-- So COULD Science.

But, first...
Let us address another important aspect of this discussion...
-- YOU have Yet to Provide...
-- Verifiable Evidence for ANY of Your claims.
-- Would you care to do so... Now...?

-PRev1-




President Barrack Hussein Obama
Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --


"If you suddenly think Stephen Colbert is truly right wing, that's when I would worry."
-- Neuropsychologist Katherine Rankin.

 
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sure

May 23 2012, 3:55 PM 

as soon as science makes one of those machines that enables you to FEEL what is experienced in MY consciousness

Im pretty sure they will do that one day...........

till now, only those who have the same EXPERIENCES can understand one anothers consciousness

but if your lucky..............

 
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Arthur Dent
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The scientific community has made it pretty obvious that they arent interested

May 23 2012, 8:41 PM 

in what people feel might be a fact. They have made machines to help us see what we cant naturally see, hear, measure etc.

But what people feel is subjective, whats the point in measuring what superstitions people feel are true.

There are direct ways of measuring whether a god is present or not, and so far, its all not.


You may live in the hope that a god may be measured one day, but part of the protective meme for christians is that god CANNOT be measured by mere science, he is supposed to be above it, so when no evidence of gods appear then theists can just smile and say just because you cant find him, doesnt mean he doesnt exist... build a better machine if you can and then you will find him.

Yeah, rubbish. The only evidence after all this time that gods exists is in marvell magazine or in KJV bibles as claims.


 
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Pope Reverend I, BV
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Von Klumpen

The Fact that No Evidence Exists...

May 23 2012, 10:15 PM 


Only serves to PROVE...
Their "god" is Above...
Such petty Tomfoolery...
-- As "Science".

Or...
As the Profoundly Devout have recently taken to saying...
-- The Absence of Evidence...
-- Is NOT...
-- The Evidence of Absence.

Which should then be quickly followed by...
A squawking request...
From Polly...
-- For a cracker.

-PRev1-




President Barrack Hussein Obama
Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --


"If you suddenly think Stephen Colbert is truly right wing, that's when I would worry."
-- Neuropsychologist Katherine Rankin.

 
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and you guys

May 24 2012, 12:21 PM 

proved that HUMAN senses aren't worth a hill of beans

including your own

so, maybe nature will MAKE A machine that doesn't consider the senese you all hate so much


one can ONLY HOPE

since Im not too keen on them myself


how does it feel to PROVE that your own senses don't matter?


I think its rich, very very rich

 
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Iceman
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Really!!

May 24 2012, 2:29 PM 

I think our senses are very important. They play a vital role in our lives. I don't believe our senses are the difficulty, but that our emotions cause us to often misuse what is perceived.

Learning to regulate the mind - at least in part, is what is sometimes articulated as maturing.

Regulating the mind is also learning to differentiate between what is real and what isn't.

Machines are simply a product of the human mind. So are books and all contained therein. They are products of our senses and the regulation of thoughts. Some people deal with experiences with wisdom and some people with emotion.

There is Nothing else.

 
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Pope Reverend I, BV
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Von Klumpen

Hard to see...

May 24 2012, 5:22 PM 


How you got to that point.
From what you've been given.

Seems to me as though...
The only thing proven has been that...
You haven't got enough sense...
To use the senses...
-- God Gave You.

-PRev1-




President Barrack Hussein Obama
Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --


"If you suddenly think Stephen Colbert is truly right wing, that's when I would worry."
-- Neuropsychologist Katherine Rankin.

 
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Arthur Dent
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Just cause you dont fancy sense doesnt mean you have to rely on flights of fancy.

May 25 2012, 9:33 PM 

You think you need some hypothetical sense to prove your hypothetical god to disprove our hypothetical hatred of our senses that only you have proposed

 
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