Monday, May 4
Start time: 10:45 Headingley Carnegie
Preview: Yorkshire will be looking to get back in the win column against last-place Surrey after seeing their two match FPT winning streak come to an end against Gloucester on Sunday. The White Rose will need more scoring from their middle-order if they are to continue to be a factor in the FPT. Only Rudolph, Vaughan, Shahzad, and Sayers have averaged more than 20.00 per innings so far in the tournament - although Gerard Brophy has scored 134 runs without being dismissed,
Headingley ground guide:Link Weather:Link Yorkshire FPT form guide (Most recent last): W NR W W L
League table: Link Yorkshire averages: Link Surrey averages: Link BBC ball-by-ball radio coverage: Link WRTV Video highlights: Link Surrey Website: Link Yorkshire's all-time List A record vs Surrey: P 51 W 22 T 0 L 29 NR 0
Stats & Trivia: Matthew Wood's 160 against Devon at Exmouth in 2004, is Yorkshire's highest individual score in the FPT.
Next Match : May 6-9 | LVCC: Yorkshire vs. Warwickshire (Birmingham)
In addition to the Prospects of Play on the website updated at 9am this morning, there is currently further rain a couple of miles from the ground, and heavy it is too.
Very quiet on here today hope we haven't all thrown the towel in after our first defeat,
anyway not a bad performance so far restricting Surrey to 184 for 7 with 1.4 overs remaining
Looks like more inflexibility re batting order. We lose a quick wicket, but still send in pinch hitter when surely Vaughan should have been ready to go in?
I may be proved wrong, but don't be surprised by another batting collapse
Chasing 4 an over does not need pinch hitting but batting properly, whereas yesterday the scoring rate required did need a more flexible middle batting order - I rest my case for more enlightened captaincy and team strategy.
had to double check the collapse on BBC and sky sports couldn't believe it, our number 10 has got 49 of the 82 /7. I was really hopeful about this season having very serious doubts now
I didn't go today but a friend of mine did and saw the said altercation. Apparently an oldish guy shouted up to Moxon that Yorkshire were 'rubbish'. Moxon then ran from the balcony and chased this man, telling him that Yorkshire have been the "best one day side over the past two years" and that this gentleman should "go away and don't come back again".
I may have removed a few of the more colourful words I was told!
Now, I don't think we're a bad one-day side, and today's abysmal performance aside we've done pretty well in one day games. Certainly a lot better than a few years ago.
But best one day side? Get a grip - when was the last time Yorkshire won a one-day competition? We secured promotion to The Pro40 division 1, but even that was behind Essex.
If the management think we're the best one day side then is I am rather worried.
Todays performance was shocking. Compared to yesterday's defeat this was so much worse. Yesterday we were just outplayed, let them get too many runs and didn't manage to get them.
Today we needed around 4 an over, got off to a great start, got well ahead of D/L then pretty much threw the game away.
In think questions need to be asked about this one. The guy should've challenged Moxon to look me in the eye and say we're the best one day side .. after todays efforts .. don't make me laugh.
Rather a harsh post .. but that was a totally dismal performance from Yorkshire today.
If you take the scores of our last seven batsmen plus extra's and dial it on the phone it puts you straight through to the Headingley branch of the Samaritan's.118000503
Had that many calls tonight they are considering going X directory!
Just back. Did not here any remarks to or from Moxon. We were rubbish today, absolute garbage. Why is it we can not chase any total when batting second when we always seem able to set a decent total when batting first? Why is it that the opposition spinner however crap, part time, occasional, making his debut or completely unheard of, ties our batsmen in knots and always has much better figures than our spinner?
I hope Moxon answers these questions and explains how he works out that we are a good 1 day side.
This message has been edited by stu789 on May 4, 2009 8:10 PM
Although todays batting collapse was very disappointing, I must say well played to Ajmal Shazhad who bowled really well. He had pace and venom whilst also demonstrating a much greater consistency in both line and length. On another note after last weeks Commentary Box end instead of Rugby Stand today we had; If anyone would like to buy a programme then the sellers will be coming round soon and youll recognise them because theyre carrying programmes.
I witnessed the entire altercation with the 'fan', and would like to set the record straight. Moxon said that Yorkshire are 'one of the the best one-day sides in the country', not 'the best'.
I agree. Last year we reached the 1/4 finals in the FPT, the semis in the T20 and got promoted in the Pro40. This season, as of today we have won 2 and lost 2 in the FPT.
The tactic of putting Rana in early worked today, and should have been tried yesterday. I particularly enjoyed him hitting Andre Nel for six over long on.
Then with the fall of a couple of wickets the scoring slowed and we fell behind the Duckworth-Lewis par. It became very dark, and then Rana was appealed out (Gould gave the third in three balls out), quickly followed by Rashid and Guy. Then the rained halted proceedings for about an hour, whereupon 90% of the crowd went home. At 6.12pm play resumed, with Yorkshire needing 82 off 4.5 overs! Eighteen runs were scored, which may prove valuable in helping the net run rate.
I'm not making excuses for the team, but sometimes we should accept that batting conditions are virtually impossible, and wickets fall as a result.
This message has been edited by YoungClogger on May 4, 2009 9:01 PM
How can Wison play for Ireland yesterday then Surrey today in the same competition, surely he is cup tied?
What happened to our batting power play, it seemed as if we lost that option when we returned after the rain break?
My understanding of the arrangement is that Irish players on the books of county teams can play for Ireland in the FPT - if their counties permit them to - unless and until they have played for their county in that competition.
In the past fortnight both the Irish captain (Porterfield, Gloucs) and Wilson have been called up by their Counties, so we can no longer select them in this season's FPT.
This was a very starnge game played in near arctic conditions. We bowled very well but then completely completely choked on the run chase. The tactic of sending Rana in at 3 worked vey well and should be repeated - but please let's not allc omplain if it doesn't come off - that's the nature of pinch hitting. Our batting collapse was horrendous but frankly so were the conditions - it was cold, dark and drizzling. They were also helped by some extraordinary umpriing decisons - most of the lbws seemed to be a long way down the wicket to me - Gould lost it a bit to be honest and Surrey started appealing for everything because they knew that any result was possible.
Andre Nel has never been a favourite of mine - and I thought his incessant bellowing in the outfiled bordered on gamesmanship - I was surprised the umpires didn't intervene. By contrast - for the second day running we were conspicuously quiet in the field. I hope all is well in the camp - we seeme very subdued throughout the whole day.
I never understand captaincy in one day games - on a couple of occasions we had Surrey right on the ropes. I couldn't understand why he took he took Kruis off - he always bowls really well at the begining of the game - i would let him bowl his overs straight through - he could have bowled 10 overs for 20 odd. I thought our best player by far was Shahzad - and it was criminal that he ended up not bowling his full quota of overs. Sometimes it feels as if Mags has decided his bowling order before the innings has even started - he needs to be a bit more flexible sometimes.
I saw the Moxon incident from afar. Martyn reacted angrilly to somehting that had been said and came sprinting from the dressing room - causing great consternation to the stewards who probably weren't expecting trouble to come from that direction! I'm sure Martyn regrets his actions in the cold light of day - but I was quite impressed by his willingness to defend his players. To be honest I just wish his team showed the same fighting spirit.
We need to get a grip because if we're not careful our season will start slipping from here - we need a good performance at Edgbaston - one of the teams I fancy we could beat...
Someone need to have a word with mags about his batting. He seems obsessed with nudges and edges and hitting the ball behind square. Anthony - look at the ball and HIT it in a straight line with a straight bat - you're a much better player than you're making yourself look at the moment..
Umpires dreadful; conditions poor; Yorkshire's batting not worth any excuses. I sense something nasty in the dressing room. I hope I'm wrong.
Rana was very good; so was Shahzad.
Is Schofield really unplayable? (I saw the red kite again; being chased by a crow. The score was 51 for 1 and then the end of the world came...)
I thought Moxon was overly aggessive to the complainent myself, hopefully some of the players get the same treatment.....
However, it was quite amusing when the stewards switched to bouncer mode, a la "New Labour conference style", to remove interested bystanders such as myself, until somebody pointed out the game hadn't actually finished so we had the right to remain, so to speak. That flumoxed them!
I thought my wife summed it up perfectly with her comment, "if i spoke to a customer like that (at work) it would be gross misconduct" Quite....
I did not go to Headingley today, as I suggested that I would not do so on last night's blog.
It seemed to me at the time (i.e 24 hours ago) that the writing was on the wall. When I woke this morning it seemed even more clearly to be the case.
Then I saw that the completely hopeless selection policy was still being pursued and concluded that a wet day in the garden was perferable to experiencing again the mounting despair I have that YCCC are sinking back to the bad, pre-Byas return days, of 2001-2.
The best way to describe YCCC at present is that they are a completely rudderless ship. A talented crew consistently ill-used. An automaton captain, and a Board of Directors who know nothing about the game and seem to care less.
On top of this a mis-directed Director of Cricket.
i do not think it is a good idea to tell paying customers to go away and dont come back again, if that is indeed the message moxon gave. i am glad i did not make the game today 2 soul destroying performances in a row would have been unbearable.
I was listening to the game on BBC London and the (Surrey-supporting) commentator mentioned that Rana appeared to have said something to Gould after his LBW dismissal, adding that it was "not on" to do such a thing.
Did anyone at the game notice this? Will there be repercussions, I wonder.
As an aside, from what I've seen of it, I don't much rate Gould's umpiring. He seems to fancy the limelight rather too much for my liking and enjoys making smartass remarks to bowlers.
Tony, you say we are slipping back to our 2001/2002 days. In one of those seasons we won the county championship. I'd take that.
On another note I was sure it must have been you remonstrating with Moxon, I'm sad to hear you weren't at the game, it would have been fun to think you finally got a chance to put your complaints to the man himself.
having been to todays game and being at the frontline of the altercation between the disgruntled fan and Martin Moxen, i would just like to say that at no time during the said row i did not hear any bad language from Martin or the fan involved.
I witnessed the very beginning of the arguement while Mr Moxon was still on the dressing room balcony and his attitude from the very beginning of the discussion was very agressive, to an elderly gentleman who I am sure was expressing the views of many of the crowd who sat in arctic conditions to watch this capitulation.
If Mr Moxon believes that the performances on Sunday and Monday were acceptable in any way shape or form then he is deluded. I have jsut heard on Yorkshire Radio an interview with him in which he says he is disappointed. I suggest he needs to use the same attitude that he adopted to a Club member with some of his under performing players.
A comment on Rana's dismissal. First ball hits his pads: 11 Surrey players appeal with the bowler on his hands and knees pleading. Not out. Next ball hits his pads: a repeat performance. Next ball misses everything, but the idiots appeal yet again. This time Gould gives it out. Rana hesitates for a second to ask why he is out. The scoreboard briefly shows him out lbw, which is then changed to caught by Spriegel (at slip). I don't think Rana touched it, and he was 'appealed' out.
Contrary to what a couple of posters have written above, I thought we were pretty sharp and motivated in the field. There were a couple of errors (Sayers reacting slowly to a chance at 2nd slip, and Guy letting a couple go through his legs), but generally the fielding was quick and committed. It was a step above the performance in the field the day before against Gloucs. Simon Guy (deputising for Briophy who has a bruised thumb) has generally done well behind the stumps in these two matches, taking an outstanding catch in each match.
The game plan was good against Surrey, but getting out in very dark conditions cannot be planned for! Give the team and Moxon a break. Please.
we normally start the season like a house on fire and then the wheels come off mid season and we fade away.
This season appears no different except the wheels seem to have come off a bit earlier than usual.
Some strange selections (Lyth?), lack of knowledge of the rules, silly injuries (Vaughan), confrontations with fans all suggest a less than organised team and it makes you wonder what some of the senior players and management did in the off season.
If we cannot even compete with Surrey and Gloucts then its tricky to justify any comment about us being one of the leading one day teams.
Indeed, Rana did appear to question Gould over his dismissal - but surely a batsman is allowed to ask the reason that he's been given out. From where I was sitting he clearly wasn't lbw and didn't appear to hit the ball.
I'm impressed that Mr Croshaw is able to deliver such a daming indictment when by his own confession he wasn't at the game. We actually bowled very well and had to bat in appalling conditions so i think a bit of sympathy is justified.
Moxon overreacted - I'm sure he'd be the first to admit it. But let's keep it in proportion - he's one of the most accessible and amenable coaches we've ever had.
I saw joe in both games and he batted pretty well. He was positive and played some nice shots - I wish he played more like that in the Championship to be honest.
It's actually Mags who wories me more - I've never seen him play so badly. I couldn't see how he was going to score a run - I don't know what he's currently averaging in the FPT but it must be in single figures...
I was there and did not hear or see anything about the altercation. However, if Moxon did state that the member should not attend again that is gross misconduct. YCC are a service industry and all employees surely must make every effort to encourage supporters to attend, you can not tell them to stay away just because their opinions differ to yours. How may employees in any service industry would keep their jobs if they told a customer "not to come into this shop/store/establishment again".
I agree with other posters that there was excessive appealing and Gould was influenced badly by it causing Naveds dismissal but there was no excuse for the capitulation by the other batsmen. Schofield was virtually unplayable, Rashid was easy meat for them, they are both leggies and both playing on the same wicket.
I can not agree that the light and conditions were worse when we batted, they were equally as bad for both teams, apart from the last 29 balls after they came back, but by then the damage had been done and there was no way back for Yorkshire. Why did they bother coming back, 82 of 29 balls was never on even with the batting power play which for some unknown reason we did not take.
Sayers has been the quickest scorer, apart from the Naved cameo in yesterdays game, in both matches. The problem is the position he is batting. Gale is a middle order batsmen who is opening, Joe is an apener playing in the middle order. Quite simple - they need switching or Joe needs to open and Lyth comes in for Gale.
This message has been edited by stu789 on May 5, 2009 1:08 PM
Stuart - the light was dramatically worse in the middle of the Yorkshire innings, than through the earlier part of the innings and the entire Surrey innings. You are wrong.
Second - any customer has the right the question the level of satisfaction he is receiving for money he has spent. However, shouting at the balcony as you walk past is ridiculous. If you behaved like that in a restaurant or shop, for example, you would be barred.
Thirdly, the teams came back on to complete the Yorkshire innings because, firstly, it's in the rules, and secondly the net run rate Yorkshire achieve may make the difference between qualifying and not.
Could not believe what I was seeing yesterday.
After a much improved and sharper performance in the field ,to surrender as they did when batting was shameful.
Schofield undoubtedly bowled well,but was allowed to by batsmen who appeared totally mesmerised as to which way the ball was turning,refused to use their feet,and prodded forward more in hope and desperation as they succumbed to inevitable dismissal,whilst Elliott was made to look unplayable as we waved at everything outside off -stump.
Dont'plame Umpire Gould,one of the best in the business who gave it as he saw it,and from my position directly behind in The Football Stand couldn't fault any descision.
Rana -Ul-Naved,a man most wished well away from the club a week ago,was the only one to bat positively,but when offered a single of the first ball of each over late in his innings to keep him at the other end,he gratefully accepted,exposing the non -scoring BATSMEN to the bowler
Fine words from the captain and the coach at the beginning of the season,hardly reflected by on the field performances in the last couple of days
i suggest we consign yesterdays debacle to the rubbish tip and stop trying to analyse what went well and what went wrong. I would hope the players and Moxon already know where they fouled up and the important thing is that we learn from the mistakes.
Sounds like a bad day at the office all round - England tend to have these now and again as well (first test, second innings v Windies?) but came back stronger. Lets hope we can do the same.
Not sure how you rate Gould as one of the better umpires - why is he not on the Test neutral panel then?
I would tend to agree with the earlier poster who says he seems to want to be the centre of attention and too quick to talk to the players in an officious manner
I attended yesterday ... but left at 81-7 so didn't see the Moxon incident .... like many I wonder who it was ... especially as quite a few North East stand regulars had moved to 'the other end' to cut down on the hike to the Hutton Gates.
The day started well ... then as TC said the wheels came off. Sorry but Vaughan started the rot .... for 8 to 10 overs Rana (who was going well) hit a single off the first ball & then Virgil did nothing for the rest of the over (his 4 was an edge). After Vaughan was out we just collapsed ... & Rana's momentum was lost. Chris Schofield was made to look like a world beater.
This wasn't just 'a bad day at the office' .... that was Sunday's game .... this was a spectacular crash.
n.b. This season we have won 2 1 day games & lost 2 1 day games ...... the difference was that we can set a total but are clueless when trying to chase one.
Ian Gould was the PCA umpire of the year in 2007 and a close second last year.
He has recently been elected to the elite panel of International umpires and stood in Tests in Australia .South Africa and New Zealnd in the winter and recieved significantly consistent high marks.
I've known Gunner personally for over 35 years and can vouch for his integrity and honesty.
I know all the players welcome his banter and advise out in the middle,and regard him with the upmost respect.
No one is doubting his honesty or integrity, but he made some very questionable decisions on Monday. If a player has to ask the reason for his dismissal because he's not sure whether he's been given caught or lbw then the decision is clearly fundamentally flawed.
I'm sure Moxon will take a bollocking from the Committee and Stewart Regan regarding his conduct today, but you have to admire his competitive spirit. He must be as frustrated as we are with the team's chronic under performance. When you look at the talent on the club, you have to wonder why we are not more successful.
