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Is it time to drop Michael Vaughan?

June 7 2009 at 2:59 PM
Nick Hobbes  (no login)

 
How long can we perservere with him when the team is struggling to stay in divi 1, and there are several young players ready to go and Chris Taylor sat on the bench?

Vaughan is obviously on the downside of his career, and short of his obsessive PERSONAL quest to get back in the England side (he won't), why should we keep totting out a player in the 4-day game that rarely, if ever comes off? (Ditto for Hoggard)

2009
4 CC matches: 65 runs: 13.00 average: S/R 32+

2008
6 CC matches: 210 runs: 23.33 average

The team needs an injection of fresh blood, so maybe its time we moved on without Vaughan and Hoggy.

Convince me otherwise!


 
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Brian
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Re: Is it time to drop Michael Vaughan?

June 7 2009, 9:11 PM 

From their respective scores so far this season, Bell would be in front of Vaughan as far as reclaiming an England place is concerned.

 
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tony cronshaw
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Brian!

June 7 2009, 9:56 PM 

On his performances in the CC this year, Bell would be a better bet than Vaughan in the YCCC side!

 
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Steve C
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Nonesense

June 8 2009, 7:47 AM 

I love the selective use of statistics. I may be wrong - and I'm sure someone will tell me if I am - but I'm guessing that Michael is one of our most successful and consistent performers in the one day side. He just needs to translate that form into the longer form of the game. There's plenty of room for youngsters - those currently in possession Sayers/Lyth and Gale - are the ones that should be worried about their places..

 
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Re: Is it time to drop Michael Vaughan?

June 8 2009, 9:14 AM 

Vaughan in the CC:
Durham (away): 24 & 20
Worcs (home): 5
Warwicks (away): 16 & absent injured

Vaughan in the FPT:
Durham (away): 43 (44)
Sussex (home): 82 (116)
Gloucs (home): 5 (11)
Surrey (home): 10 (32)
Gloucs (away): injured
Durham (home): injured
Sussex (away): 66 (85)
Surrey (home): 74 (69)

 
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Steve C
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Thankyou

June 8 2009, 9:28 AM 

So before this game - where he was unlucky in the first innings - his last two scores were both oer 50. Why do some people have such a clear agenda against Michael Vaughan?
It's a bit of a mystery to me...
Having watched Joe Sayer's truly torturous display yesterday - i would suggest that it's his place that should be up for discussion on Thursday. That sort of batting puts pressure on those batting around him.

 
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pressure

June 8 2009, 11:18 AM 

re sayers - that sort of batting puts pressure on the rest of the batting. i would suggest if he had not grafted away we would have been under real pressure about 100 all out.

 
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Re: Is it time to drop Michael Vaughan?

June 8 2009, 5:17 PM 


I'd hope and expect someone has sat down with Vaughan and talked about the future. If he genuinely wants to play next season without an expectation of playing for England then all well and good. If he's using Yorkshire as a last chance saloon then he may as well go now because his chances of an England recall look slim to nil.
If he is batting for Yorkshire then he should be opening. Batting at three is batting for ''Club Vaughan'' and ought to be discouraged.

 
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Dewsburian
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Re: Is it time to drop Michael Vaughan?

June 8 2009, 5:19 PM 

According to cricinfo he's just hit Jason Lewry for two sixes, so he would appear to be batting for the team and a possible declaration (and win) rather than batting "for himself".

 
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Alan Jackson
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Re: Is it time to drop Michael Vaughan?

June 8 2009, 6:13 PM 

I'd be much more comfortable with Vaughan batting in his natural #1 spot. Batting at three requires Rudolph - our best stroke maker and top batsman - to face the new ball, when he could be pushing the score along at 4 or 5. (Vaughan, Sayers, McGrath and Rudolph) is the "natural" batting order)

I like Vaughan, but he has no right to come back into a team he has rarely played for over the past five years, and literally demand to go in at 3 to suit his virtually non-existent England aspirations. And don't try to tell me he didn't ask to bat at that position, and don't try to tell me he wasn't fairly insistent on the change.

Until Yorkshire put out the right players in the right batting order, with players who are committed to the team and not to their own agenda (Vaughan, Rana, and to some extent Hoggard, for example), we will continue to under-perform. Our appalling performances in the CC over the past three years are proof that we have being taking a wrong-headed approach, and that a different philosophy is needed ---- now!

 
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