My first post so thought I'd get that out of the way. Hate Sidebottom, his behaviour today made me feel ill, born in Huddersfield eh Ryan? Big game vs Durham now if somebody can bother to support Gale then I'm sure we'll gain another 2 points. The County Championship is always there given we draw most of our games 40 odd points behind and still yet to win? still in touch for me, shame the days of Steve Kirby and Darren Lehmann are over.

Sorry to disagree ... but Sidebottom is now playing for Notts so is right to celebrate .... & I still have to wonder why Ryan left Yorkshire ... did the sacking of his dad have anything to do with it?

bowled well tonight did Sidebottom but he seems to have turned into a big time charlie. A shame though as he always seemed to come across as a down to earth bloke.

Bottom line he is from Yorkshire and should have more respect for the county of his birth, whatever his reasons for defecting to me his celebrations were over the top.

And advising Shahzad to "F*** off" when he bowled him first ball was somewhat unneccesary.

Cricket is a passionate game played by people with passion.
Ryan didn't overstep any marks and would be the first to buy AJ a drink afterwards.
The only crime here is the fact he wasn't playing for Yorkshire.

Well, I agree with AlibiAlf here.

To be honest I often thought Sidebottom was guilty of 'big time Charlieism' when playing for us!

I don't think it's about passion, its about respect for the game and all the players who play it. I think Sidebottom oversteps this marks on occasions. I think he also likes the TV spotlight a little to much.

I thought Sidebottom was a little too close to the knuckle at times lastnight. Nothing against sledging, love it infact. Some of the funniest moments in cricket folklaw revolve around a good sledge and long may it continue. What I do object to is all this ''seeing the batsman off'' routine. No place for it, your job is done when the batsman departs and as he has no right of reply then except for celebration with team mates, nothing else should be said. Telling a batsman to ''f*%# *ff'' when all he's doing is walking off anyway isn't big or clever or even mildly amusing. How would the bowler like being told the same by the batsman after being hit for six? The bowler always has the next ball of course.
Sledge, yes, Celebrate, yes. Be insulting, no.

Anyone who believes it acceptable to tell a batsman to **** off, is both discourteous and a fool. Anyone who states this in the cold light of day is an even bigger fool and their opinion worthless.

Certainly Ryan overstepped the mark a bit last night,and doubtless regrets it this morning.
But what he certainly did display was an enthusiasm and will to win at all costs,and given his background when Yorkshire are on the recieving end it'll grate with some.He can act like a big-time-Charlie,because he has become one and has achieved it since leaving Yorkshire and joining a county who have a believe in him and were prepare to support him.
However what Yorkshire would not give at this time,is someone with an equal passion for their county and not frightened to express it forcibly.
We don't see it,not from batter,bowlers,captain or senior players,or the coach,our moaner -in -chief.
Heads go down at the first sign of a problem,there is little noise on the pitch as it appears many are far more conmcerned with their own performance than the collective one of the team.
Where is the pride?The desire to prove we are better than the opposition? and above all the believe in our ability to succeed?
All sadly lacking at present,give me some shouting,hand-clapping,positive body -language and a few swear words anytime if it means we're winning,rather than the whinging and complaining about opposing player,incompetent umpire and biased TV commentators.
For those who truly claim to love Yorkshire Cricket,lets have some positivity and proper support.

I would like to reply but sadly I'm a "fool" and my opinion is worthless apparently.
I think straightforward patronising rudeness from someone who isn't prepared to put his name to his views is far more offensive than anything Ryan did when he was trying his hardest for his team and was pumped up with adrenalin...

Excuse me,but who has been patronisingly rude,without puting their name to their post,and who has labelled anyone a fool with no wortwhile opinion?
I am confused by the last post.

Not you Mr Cleasby; the anonymous "Maan" in the post above yours who seems to have taken offence at my defence of Ryan's behaviour in last night's game.

Oh, I see Steve,but anonymity is the free choice of all posters,and should not be condemned.
I come across it all the time,some views are not best for sharing.
For what it's worth,sending a batsman on his way is most satisfying in my opinion and where there has been past history often inevitable.
Those who've never played to any serious level, may consider such language unnaccetable,I see it as an ideal opportunity to express oneself clearly and concisely.

>>>>Those who've never played to any serious level, may consider such language unnaccetable,I see it as an ideal opportunity to express oneself clearly and concisely.

I'm certain that 99% of people who have played the game to any serious level would consider such language unnacceptable. Expressing oneself should be best done by expressing the ball down the other end in such a way that it confuses the batsman, it shouldn't be done done by telling him to go forth and multiply after the event.

And I agree with you.
But in the heat of battle, when you're really pumped up, haven't you ever released an oath or two?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Ajmal broke a stump earlier in the game didn't he point the batsman on his way and mouth some suitable expletive?
I'm willing to bet he wasn't unduly bothered by Ryan's reaction and the two had a laugh about it afterwards.

All part of the fun when we played ''down south'' Kenny.
Only those very sensitive types ever got offended,as all was soon forgotten after match.
And those that were put off by it ,soon got the message and did quickly F*CK OFF elsewhere.

Defend discourtesy as much as you want, SteveC, it says all that needs to be said about you.

I'm not defending discourtesy. I'm trying to explain that some people feel passionate about sport. Occassionally that passion expresses itself in ways that wouldn't be acceptable in other spheres of life. Let's admire Ryan's competitive streak rather than condemn his language. Language is only words after all. There is no moral absoloutism involved in one's choice of words.
I come back to the point I made earlier that Ryan would be the first to shake hands after the game.
And I really wouldn't leap to such damning and dismissive opinions of people you don't know.

The same could be said about your opinions, Steve. You've never met Sids.

I will say that in my conversations with fans and cricketers around the circuit, Sids is regarded as a bit of a foul-mouthed twit, with an over-sized ego. There is sledging and then there is crudeness and vulgarity. Sids often oversteps the line. I think he feels he might have been an Aussie in another life.

Discourtesy and the need for the last word, SteveC, as ever. Truly amazing arrogance. Obviously you know Ryan personally by the sound of it. Of course you do.

Clearly I've upset you in some way.
No. You're quite right. I've never met Ryan, but like many of us on this Forum I form opinions of cricketers from watching them play over the years, reading books and interviews and listening to them on the radio and TV.
I'm not defending bad language or discourtesy, merely saying that it's sometimes part of all sport at all levels - presumably you'd condemn Andy Murray when he curses after a bad shot - and has to be understood within it's context as part of the heat of the moment.
I'm genuinely sorry if I've appeared discourteous or arrogant in any way, and i'll hapilly let you have the last word.

And a reminder that personal attacks, which includes labeling individual posters as "fools" or denigrating opinions as "worthless" will not be tolerated on the WRF.

But the defence of obscene language against Yorkshire players will.

And in just what standard of cricket do/did SteveC and Cleasby play?

Murray is usually swearing at himself for an error, not his opponent, which, while wrong, is not the same as telling the bloke you've just bowled to **** off.

Lighten up Maan.
Certain batsmen can adopt an ttitude ,be it vocal,or physical to wind-up the opposition.
The best response and most satisfying is often a little message to send them on their way when the time comes.
Just part of the general banter,and how we laughed as we read tales from Trueman of how he senf off jazz-hatted toffee-nosed southern upstarts,with a rather high opinion of themselves.
It's hardly asubject to get worked up about,just part of the game.

As I said, what standard of cricket do/did you play in, Cleasby?
And when did you hear Trueman ever tell a batsman he'd dsmissed to **** off? Try to answer the questions, please.

I agree: Sidd's choice of words is indefensible. It bespeaks of a man with a limited vocabulary and a low IQ.

"I agree: Sidd's choice of words is indefensible. It bespeaks of a man with a limited vocabulary and a low IQ."

and a bad hair cut.

You'll not see me step into the trap of condemning Yorkshire's greatest ever fast bowler Maan.
Tales of his rudeness,arrogance,insults and racsist language are many,not least from his own mouth.
I have met Ryan,and fail to regognise him from many of the descriptions on here,modest,friendly,passionate,determined and a 100% trier is the impression I've always had.

i think the reference was to FS Trueman.

Gilzean asked me to remove his post. Which I did. A reminder that if you register and login you can edit your posts after they have been posted. Also, most of the adverts do not show up for registered members.

You still haven't answered the question asking (now for the third time)in what standard of cricket do/did you play, Cleasby. Can you now please answer it?

Nor have you answered the other question asking when you ever heard Trueman tell a batsman to **** off. Please answer the question, instead of giving an evasive generalisation. Its no trap, just a simple question, since it was you who introduced Trueman into the issue.

Link to article

And I shall not be answering your question either Maan.
I see little point in stirring up controversy at all,safe to say,it happened.
I was never a very good player,but did represent The South of England at schoolboy level,played club cricket to a fair standard in the south-East for a few years,represented Great Britain at a Macccbi Games,and ocassiionally played benefit and charity matches alongside proffessiionals when much younger.
I,ve not played seriously for 35 years however,but do watch about 100 days of cricket at all levels each season,and sending the batsman on his way,with a little encouragement is prevalent today as it was then.
If you played the game somewhat differently,that's fine.
I was totally competitive at all levels,which sometimes got me into trouble.
I'd appreciate if we kept posts away from a personal level in future.

Let me remind you, Cleasby, that it was you who introduced Trueman into the discussion and made the assertion that you did, I simply ask you to provide the evidence to support it. You cannot do that, can you, so you avoid the issue as always. We can draw our own conclusions, as we can about your other somewhat intentionally misleading assertions.
Unless you were at the Tel Aviv Paralympics in the late '60s ( I happened to be in TA at the time on a cruise), I assume your incorrectly spelt Macccbi is supposed to be Maccabi, in which event your assertion that you were 'representing GB' is hardly accurate, in line with your other claims I suspect.

OK Maan,Fred Trueman took about 2,500 first -class wickets I believe,thousands of others in other forms of the game,and never once told a batsman to ''F*CK OFF''.after he was out.
All the stories he told about himself having done so were totally untrue,as were the acconts from others who were there.
Does that satisfy you mate,or do you wish to carry on.
I,ve told you about the type of cricket I played,though why you need to know is beyond me,including my participation in A GB side at The 1972 Maccabi Games.
What a paralympics has to do,with it I do not understand.
Now you can believe what ever I say or not,Maan I do'nt give a toss,but if you want to ask personal, quetions ,best to do so by private message,no body else is in the slightest bit interesed.
Stop wasting both our time.

And so say all of us.

....and to put it into English, Cleasby, there's no evidence, at least none that you can provide.

For a thread that talks about love of cricket this is a pretty grim read. Please end it now.

You'll have to remind me what the thread is about Tyke 1950.
Ah yes,something about Ryan Sidebottom being rude to batsmen or something,and I said it was pretty harmless,and Mr Maan said it was disgraceful behaviour and should be utterly condemned,
And so we disagreed,by which time eveybody else was bored by the pedantic nature of the debate,however Mr Maan who'd obviously never played cricket in his life,then insisted that their was no evidence of Fred Trueman behaving like that,and going on and on,even resorting to private questioning of my cricketing experience.
He's still going on today,and no doubt we'll be hearing from him yet again.
I hereby give my word not to respond to all his old rubbish ever again,and suggest this thread is now closed as well past any useful function.

Wrong as usual, Cleasby, I asked what your evidence was, rather than said you were wrong. Do pay attention.

This is a discussion forum for those interested in the game of cricket. I suggest you continue your private argument elsewhere.