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Re: MUST READ | George Dobell

August 22 2016, 10:29 PM 

A really good read, I hadn't realised that the plan was to continue the championship while this T20 tournament goes on. If this was the case and 2 or 3 rounds of games took place without 100 or so players it would make a mockery of it.

 
 
Peter
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Re: MUST READ | George Dobell

August 22 2016, 10:39 PM 

Counties must take some criticsm for this.

the championship does not attract supporters or revenue because its too negative.

finishing games early cos they can't be bothered to play and refusing to entertain the paying public. if the championship was not ill, then t20 could not have come along and usurped the game.

 
 
marsker
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Re: MUST READ | George Dobell

August 22 2016, 11:13 PM 

i wish people would consider what they say. the championship does not attract supporters or revenue. what utter nonsense, have a look at north marine road over the next 4 days and try to reach out without touching your neighbour.

 
 
JG
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Re: MUST READ | George Dobell

August 22 2016, 11:24 PM 

Totally agree with the previous comments, that is a superb article by Dobell (as usual). Knowledgable, factual, revealing and offering solutions rather than just criticisms. If only he were in charge of the ECB rather than Graves, who I'm coming to dislike more every day. I really hope this idea is rejected and Graves and Harrison are kicked out.

 
 
Twelfth Man
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Re: MUST READ | George Dobell

August 22 2016, 11:25 PM 

This business of running the new competition alongside the Championship is news to me too, but hardly surprising. ECB in making a mockery and devaluing its premier cricket competition shocker


    
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Re: MUST READ | George Dobell

August 23 2016, 12:05 AM 

Would someone kindly post Mr. Dobell's email address?

Alex
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Jay
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Re: MUST READ | George Dobell

August 23 2016, 12:12 AM 

The cadaver like Graves embodies everything that is wrong with the beautiful game today.

 
 
Pyrahtechnics
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Re: MUST READ | George Dobell

August 23 2016, 1:32 PM 

"Counties must take some criticsm for this.

the championship does not attract supporters or revenue because its too negative.

finishing games early cos they can't be bothered to play and refusing to entertain the paying public. if the championship was not ill, then t20 could not have come along and usurped the game."


Unfair to blame the Counties when the domestic schedule is not spectator or commercial friendly. Starting most County Championship matches on a Sunday where most counties have no realistic chance of winning the title is a prime example. Same applies for reducing the One Day group matches to 8 games and playing them in blocks, a competition where spectators are more likely to turn up and all counties have an equal chance of winning.

Then there is playing County Championship matches during a midweek in September, at a time when most of the working public have used up their annual leave.

So when you have a county like Northants who make Twenty20 a priority and the ECB are pushing for a Test Venue based T20 league, they are being punished for trying to make a success out of it.

 
 
Peter
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Re: MUST READ | George Dobell

August 23 2016, 7:01 PM 

How can you say that northants are being punished for doing well in t20?

if it were not for t20, doubt very much they would even be a northants team today.

You are, however right in your observation that championship cricket is playing second fiddle to t20. The reason for that is clear. T20 earns the counties more money for less work.

But we are in great danger of t20 and one day cricket actually replacing championship cricket. That is what is happening now. With this t20 franchise being played alongside championship matches, so now championship matches will not only be deprived of international players but also our exciting young duckett type players who will be off playing t20.

One can either help the championship to recovery or put it out of its misery with a lethal injection of t20. Its not the ecb who makes that decision but the county representatives who make up the ecb.

Furthermore, this is not just an english problem, but a problem faced across the world....the Sheffield Shield is in an even worse state than our championship.

Ultimately, I fear the death of test cricket and subsequently the death of first class cricket across the world as everyone plays t20 instead.

 
 
Pyrahtechnics
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Re: MUST READ | George Dobell

August 25 2016, 1:22 AM 

Northants are being punished because they are a non test county and don't fit the narrative as a City Based Franchise T20, despite embracing the shortest format. It's difficult for Northants to prioritise red ball cricket when they have no realistic chance of winning the County Championship title and often lose their best players to bigger counties (Brooks and Willey to Yorkshire).

The reality is any Division 2 player who is remotely good in red ball cricket will harbour ambitions to play tests for England and playing Division 1 cricket is effectively the only way to get recognised.

Counties are asked to become self sufficient, but excluding them from participating in City Based Franchise T20 does not allow non test counties to grow and it's those Division 2 non test counties who are developing white ball cricketers for England.

Somerset are another team who don't fit the City Based Franchise T20 narrative, but are turning Taunton into an international venue due to their own success in the shortest format. Since crowds for the Natwest T20 Blast are increasing year on year and a financial bloodline for many counties, by rights it should be the pinnacle of domestic cricket.





 
 
Alibor
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Re: MUST READ | George Dobell

August 27 2016, 3:08 PM 

Well having been in Scarborough all this week, there is no better cricket than CC and the support shown for if was fabulous.

 
 
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Re: new t20 proposals

September 7 2016, 3:43 PM 


 
 
Ball-Sup (Phil)
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Re: new t20 proposals

September 8 2016, 8:40 AM 

Here's the latest T20 leak from Nick Hoult at the Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2016/09/07/counties-to-be-given-18m-a-year-if-two-thirds-agree-to-new-eight/

I'm in favour of an 18 County solution. I have a line in the sand if we do go to 8(ish) City Teams. That is, all 18 Counties financially benefit equally. With hosting Counties getting a little extra top up. Hoult suggests that is one of the proposals.

I am against playing Champo cricket while the City T20 is on. Losing players to England is one thing, but to Southampton is another. I'd prefer a further reduced Championship to that.

Hoult correctly points out that Australian Test players rarely play in The Big Bash.

Phil
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Guest
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Re: new t20 proposals

September 8 2016, 9:17 AM 

But how many Aussie test players play in their national t20 team?

In England I think last nights t20 team had Hales Root Stokes Moeen from the test team.

Are Australia similarly heading to different squads for different formats?

 
 
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Re: new t20 proposals

September 8 2016, 7:17 PM 

Again, the part about playing while championship matches go on is absolutely ridiculous. Assuming 8 squads of 15, 12 domestic & 3 overseas? That would leave nearly 100 domestic county players unavailable for some rounds of the championship. Ok so some may be more one day specialists who don't play much 4 day anyway but looking at our current squad I'd say Root, Bairstow, Rashid, Willey, Plunkett, Lyth, Bresnan and Rafiq plus possibly Ballance, Leaning and Lees could be involved. That's up to 11 players, plus possibly any overseas we have at the time. Who exactly are we supposed to have playing in our cc games? I've no real issue with a Development/B team playing 2nd tier T20 matches but to play that kind of team in the championship makes a mockery of a competition we all love.
I think I've accepted T20 will change, probably to 8 city teams or whatever they call them and that will have an impact on the 18 county T20 competition but I'd be livid if it was to destroy the championships integrity.

 
 
Peter (Don)
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Re: new t20 proposals

September 8 2016, 7:25 PM 

Crafty move by the ECB to pay the non Test Ground Counties £1.5 Million each for not being involved in the 8 City Team competition!

Hard to see them voting against the proposal considering many of them are in financial trouble.

 
 
Guest
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Re: new t20 proposals

September 8 2016, 7:30 PM 

The ECB could end up dividing the game and creating a split akin to rugby union/league, the darts different governing bodies and then follow boxing with multiple organisations claiming their own world titles.

Players, fans and clubs can decide to join the circus or be part of the traditional game. I know where my loyalty lies

 
 
Peter
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Re: new t20 proposals

September 8 2016, 7:58 PM 

Who is to say that the t20 comp would take precedence?

If players are contracted to the counties, then it is the counties that decide if they can play t20 for a city based franchise. Then the t20 franchises would struggle to find county players who are available and will presumably recruit overseas players fresh from the ipl.

I can see 2 distinct forms of cricket and 2 distinct types of crickerers.

the t20 players that will play in the big bash, ipl and our franchised city based comp. These guys would be mercenaries without contracts playing for whichever team paid them the most.

Then you would have your red ball players who would be contracted to the counties from which test players will be chosen.

my only concern is that can the ecb continue to support counties as test cricket diminishes?

 
 
Ball-Sup (Phil)
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Re: new t20 proposals

September 9 2016, 12:25 AM 

Another reminder that I Am The ECB. I vote for YCCC Board Members. They vote for England (& Wales) Cricket Board Members. They make proposals upon which my YCCC Board Members vote & decide. The ECB is just County Members representatives around a table.

I have a working assumption that if the necessary majority is gained, all ECB money to a particular County (from the existing pot & the new T20 pot) will be dependent on that County releasing players for City T20. The situation Peter Blackpooltyke describes, Counties refusing to release players for City T20, would be financial suicide for the Refusenik County. That I fear is the (potential) reality.

Phil (ie The ECB)
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Stu
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Re: new t20 proposals

September 9 2016, 8:26 AM 

Sounds like bribery to me. You vote for our stupid proposals, we will give you an extra 1.8m per year.

The county matches during the "city based" T20 comp. will be played with no England players and virtual second teams and at out-grounds. Crazy!!

 
 
 
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