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Dave Morton
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Re: S.O.S from Old Trafford

August 30 2016, 9:51 AM 

We all have our favourite players, and Ian Bell is one of mine, up with Tom Graveney of the non-Yorkshiremen.

I don't think I would take Bell to Australia or S Africa, but against wily Indian spinners, yes, every time. Providing his head is in the right place which (I agree) it didn't seem to be at Headingley recently.

As I also said, I would like to see them pick Joe Clarke as a youthful alternative in the middle order.

 
 
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Re: S.O.S from Old Trafford

August 30 2016, 10:04 AM 

Bell has signed for the Big Bash like Broad.

Neither make the England t20 team but supports the view that t20 is about star names rather than ability

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: S.O.S from Old Trafford

August 30 2016, 10:32 AM 

I imagine it's the same for the Big Bash franchises as it is for the Counties - to find an overseas player who is available, affordable, and who puts bums on seats. You only get a star name by having ability, though sometimes the name lives on after the ability has dwindled.

 
 
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Re: S.O.S from Old Trafford

August 30 2016, 10:34 AM 

Agreed although our best year was with 2 relatively young and up and coming talents like Miller and Starc.

Finch was a star name and we struggled!

 
 
JG
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Re: S.O.S from Old Trafford

August 30 2016, 7:23 PM 

I appreciate we all have our favourites, but leaving favouritism aside I think there is very little justification for recalling Bell. He's had a fairly mediocre county season, with an average of just 37 in the Championship and no centuries in any form of cricket since April. His ability against spin appears to be over-rated by some- he averages just 32 in away Tests against the three main Asian Test sides, and has struggled badly against relatively modest spinners like Lyon in recent years. I think a return to Bell for the winter's tours would be bad both in the short and long-term.

Where is the space for Moeen Ali in that top 7 too? Whatever you think of his bowling, I think his batting performances this summer compared to those of Vince, Ballance and Hales showed that he is worth his place in the side for batting alone. Personally I would also retain Hales, who I think is a decent player of spin, and Ballance, who I think has at least got the tempo and attitude for Test cricket, although he did struggle against Yasir at times this summer. I accept there is a fairly strong argument against each of these two though.

FWIW, my side:

Cook
Hales
Root
Ballance
Moeen
Bairstow
Stokes
Rashid
3 from Anderson, Wood, Woakes, Broad, Batty


Re: overseas players in the Big Bash, I think it's much like here: some sides go for the big names, others go for lesser known or more T20 specialist players. As is the case over here, I think it has often been the latter type of player who has had more success- Adil Rashid last season for instance. Perth have been a very successful side in the last few years though so it will be interesting to see how Bell goes- he did do quite well, top scoring in the competition without really playing many match-winning innings, for Warks this season to be fair.



    
This message has been edited by _JG_ on Aug 30, 2016 7:38 PM


 
 
Howden73
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Re: S.O.S from Old Trafford

September 3 2016, 10:12 PM 

Steven Finn given go-ahead to play for Middlesex at Lancs in the penultimate match but Anderson and Buttler unavailable because of minor "injuries"

 
 
marsker
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Re: S.O.S from Old Trafford

September 3 2016, 10:43 PM 

that could mean we wont get jonny bairstow back unless billings keeps wicket in the t20

 
 
JG
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Re: S.O.S from Old Trafford

September 3 2016, 11:24 PM 

Well Billings is in the squad whereas Bairstow isn't.

 
 
marsker
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Re: S.O.S from Old Trafford

September 4 2016, 12:19 AM 

yes but buttler is out injured so they may take bairstow.

 
 
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Re: S.O.S from Old Trafford

September 4 2016, 9:26 AM 

So Anderson Buttler can't play for Lancashire but Finn is ok for Middlesex.

We may have Bairstow and should know after today's game. But the t20 presumably deprives us of the other 4 players and Durham their two headline acts. Why not start the four day county games a day later as we cannot expect the England game to move forward a day due to sky and rest periods?

I sense Durham may miss their two lads more than we miss our four. Our pace attack is strong enough but our spin attack is severely weakened. I overlook Root as it goes without saying he would strengthen our top order but I tend to take the view now that he is no longer available for us per se.

I actually wonder if Finn strengthens Middlesex. He is still misfiring and searching for form and a bit of luck too. Having said that an attack including Podmore and Patel in the last game should easily be able to accommodate Finn and Murtagh but where is James Harris these days? How close were we to getting him when Brooks joined us instead?

 
 
Twelfth Man
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Re: S.O.S from Old Trafford

September 4 2016, 10:10 AM 

Morgan said at the toss that he hopes Buttler will be fit for the T20, but they'll "look for a replacement" if not.

 
 
JG
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Re: S.O.S from Old Trafford

September 5 2016, 12:03 AM 

I aware of that Marsker, the point is they don't need to look outside of the original squad for a keeper if they don't want to.

Ravi Patel is a left-arm spinner so not quite comparable, but undoubtedly Finn will strengthen their attack, he is a Test bowler for a reason.

 
 
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Re: S.O.S from Old Trafford

September 5 2016, 1:02 AM 

Fully aware Patel is a spinner as Middlesex picked two for Edgbaston due to the worn track but doubt they need two for old trafford

 
 
 
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