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Peter
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4)

September 3 2016, 5:07 PM 

thats because the forecast changed

at 8am no rain was forecast till 6pm at southampton. by 11am this had changed to between 3 and 4.

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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4) September 3 2016, 8:00 AM

yep, looking at the updated forecast this morning, the rain is not due to arrive in southampton until around 6pm, giving us an excellent chance to force a win. Such a pity we got no play yesterday despite it staying dry all afternoon. Isn't there an argument to play in bad light if both sides agree?

Meanwhile, it looks like middlesex will only have an hour to get 7 wickets. Sweating on middx yesterday afternoon on their victory charge, think it will be their turn to sweat on our performance this afternoon.

We need to declare at lunchtime, or even just before, come what may. Even if we only have a lead of 340. It is unlikely hampshire will get those runs and if they try very likely we can bowl them out.

that was my 8am post.

at 10.49 the forecast had changed, so i changed what i thought we should do.



doubt looking at rain today we will get more than 4 hrs in today

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Peter
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4) September 3 2016, 10:49 AM

yes Papag, have to agree with you. Does that mean the declaration is adjusted? it should be, maybe get a quick 60 in 6 overs then declare.

Short range forecasting is very accurate, especially when its a huge rain band that will cover the entire country.

confirmed. no play in birmingham.


    
This message has been edited by Blackpooltyke on Sep 3, 2016 5:08 PM


 
 
Dwight_Schrute
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4)

September 3 2016, 5:10 PM 

Yes and had we batted 6 overs then declared. Forecast changes again and they knock em off, you would highlight your post where you said 340 in 70.

 
 
Seadog73
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4)

September 3 2016, 5:11 PM 

Weather forecasts change? What a shock Peter, that's why professionals play the game and not the forecast. As has been pointed out already, you have changed your stance multiple times over the past 24 hours just so you can quote yourself being right!! Astonishing.

 
 
Stu
(Login StuartRA)
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4)

September 3 2016, 5:14 PM 

Can I suggest, we all ignore Peters postings for all our collective sanity. He is always right and never wrong. I have heard he is on "Mastermind" next week - specialist subject "The Weather and Declarations in cricket"

 
 
Peter
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4)

September 3 2016, 5:17 PM 

...and that is what might well cost us the title

All I know is that if i were in charge of the team we would have had an extra hour bowling, in the first innings thats all we needed to polish off the last 6 wickets, we may not have done it of course, and if i am honest we probably would not have done it, but we might have done, yet again the team's tactics are naive.

Flame me as much as you like, but i am right.

We could have had a damn good go at beating lancs and a good crack at hants today, despite the weather.

My original post of 8am was changed as the weather forecast changed....one can only go on the most recent forecast which always supercedes the previous ones. Now I was monitoring the weather.....was dizzy?

We have apps now that are pretty accurate that will tell you to the minute when it will rain and when it will stop.....if dizzy wants, i will spend a few quid on getting him this app.

 
 
Tyke 83
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4)

September 3 2016, 5:22 PM 

We gained a point. Both sides would most likely have won given better weather, so as far as I am concerned we have not gained/lost anything.

 
 
Alibor
(Login Alibor2)

Re: Middlesex

September 3 2016, 5:22 PM 

Boring stuff. We have come out of this set of matches OK (assuming no penalty points?)

 
 
Peter
(Login Blackpooltyke)

Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4)

September 3 2016, 5:22 PM 

by all means ignore my posts, but can i first ask one question.

who on here can see justification for batting as long as we did with a huge band of rain approaching from the west?

 
 
Tyke1950
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4)

September 3 2016, 5:27 PM 

...but the huge band of rain broke to give Middlesex play in Birmingham.
Had Yorkshire's match been played on the Isle of Wight there would have been no significant rain.

You can't make weather predictions the primary basis for determining strategy.

 
 
Howden73
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4)

September 3 2016, 5:35 PM 

Hopefully, the title and relegation will be decided ON the pitch and not by the blo*dy weather!!

I'm fed up of seeing rain or bad light enabling Hampshire to gather a decent points haul after being a distinctly second best (against Somerset last week and Yorkshire this week).

 
 
Guest
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4)

September 3 2016, 5:35 PM 

Agree with Peter. Captains don't pay enough attention to weather forecasts that have a high degree of probability that a large chunk of play will be lost. That said I don't believe we ever had a realistic chance of winning today after so much time was lost yesterday. This round of matches has had a fortunate outcome for us because Middlesex really fouled up by delaying their declaration yesterday. They could have had another full session yesterday afternoon plus the extra half an hour yesterday evening and an hour's play today with excellent chances of finishing off Warwicks.

 
 
Peter
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4)

September 3 2016, 5:36 PM 

The amount of available time in a match is a primary consideration for determining tactics, or at least it should be.

 
 
Peter
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4)

September 3 2016, 5:40 PM 

Agreed. Middlesex were more guilty than us. In our case we were talking about an hour, middlesex could and should have had a whole extra session at warwickshire.

Agree also that with that extra hour we probably would not have won this game in any case, but thats no excuse for batting on this morning, it may well have made a difference.

 
 
Dwight_Schrute
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4)

September 3 2016, 5:42 PM 

FWIW i agree Middlesex could have batted more positively yesterday, but Warks 120-4, one of those the nightwatchman, hardly in terrible shape to have chased 250 or so.

 
 
Lewis
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4)

September 3 2016, 5:46 PM 

I do wonder if some of our posters were around in the bad old days.

I was only a young lad at the time but remember the 90s and our failings. My Dad mentioned the bad times and in fighting starting a long time before that.

We have won the last 2 County Championships, showed improvements in both limited over competitions and are in the hunt for a third in a row in the CC.

We have a solid set up, granted the Coach is leaving. The stadium is outstanding, we represent England and have 2 of the best batsmen of their generation.

We've just battered Hants on their own ground, yet again without our England boys and have missed out because of the weather.

For anyone to complain about trivial things such as declarations (Over and over again) simply needs to get a grip and see how far the County has come and save the whingeing for more important issues.



 
 
Peter
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Hampshire vs Yorkshire at Southampton (Day 4)

September 3 2016, 6:04 PM 

Have you never heard of make hay while the sun shines.

The sun is certainly shining on yorkshire right now, and dizzy deserves great credit for that.

I believe we have been the best team in the country for the last 4 years.

We missed out on the title against durham not because our players were second best but because of poor tactics.

We are still the best team in the league but may lose out to middlesex, not because our players are second best, but because we are too afraid of losing to think about winning games that we may lose.

 
 
peter
(Login wakefieldfan)

weather

September 3 2016, 6:24 PM 

can you ever post without mentioning the weather , the sun shines,

 
 
Guest
(Login StuartRA)
Assistant Moderator

Re: weather

September 3 2016, 7:29 PM 

From Cricinfo


It's wide open' - Gale

"It was one of those where people will you say you could have declared earlier but had we got the full time in then it might have been a tight game," said Yorkshire's captain Andrew Gale after play. "You can't keep declaring by the weather forecast. Another 40 overs and we could have won that game.

"It's wide open now. Four points in it now. We have two home games and we have a fantastic home record. We must have one of the best home records in the country over the last few years. That's on our side. We know what we get with our pitches. We win our next two games at home and we are right up there."

 
 
Sid
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Assistant Moderator

Re: weather

September 3 2016, 7:35 PM 

I'm really hesitating about asking Peter this but, here goes, how when we lost the title to Durham was it due to poor tactics? I saw all of the key game, and something of most of the others, when they beat us late season at Scarborough, Durham were outstanding. Stokes was just busting on to the scene and bowled a couple of spells which had future England star all over them. Durham also won a favorable toss allowing them to bat first. It was a cracker and they edged it.

This game; it's easy to sit with a keyboard, post many scenarios and than highlight the one from the many alternatives which proves to be correct. Players get one go in real time, they get it right most of the time. I can only imagine the reaction if the weather had drifted by and we'd been sweating!

 
 
Peter
(Login Blackpooltyke)

Re: weather

September 3 2016, 7:41 PM 

Fair enough, then i guess Andrew does not bother looking at the forecast....I mean whats the point in having a forecast if you gonna ignore it?

The whole cricketing world knew what the weather was going to do at 11am. Are we to become ostriches and bury our heads in the sand and pretend the sun will shine?....and then when it doesn't....oh we were robbed by the weather, if only we had had another 40 overs....

Sorry Andrew, thats crap, one knew or should have known at the start of play and adjusted tactics to suit.

Of course you should take account of the weather conditions when making decisions, that goes for any match played anywhere in the world.

 
 
 
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