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CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016 at 2:44 AM

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This match may well be for all the marbles and a place in cricket history. A win, and depending on the Somerset result, could see Yorkshire become the first county in 48 years to win three titles in a row with the "dynasty" designation that accrues to teams winning a hat-trick of championships.

Alas, the cricketing gods, the ECB boardroom and the Australian cricket authorities have conspired to see that our three top batsmen (based on average per innings) are not available.

1) Can we overcome these significant losses, and will our deep bowling attack compensate for what has already proven to be a brittle batting lineup?

2) Should Yorkshire bowl first, or toss up and bat first if we win the coin flip? That decision could be critical considering that we must win this match and gain enough bonus points to stay ahead of Somerset if they go on to win their game against last-place Notts.

3) All things considered, what is the perfect Yorkshire XI taking into account all of the variables and the handicaps Yorkshire face?

The latest odds to win Division 1

Middlesex 11/8
Yorkshire 19/10
Somerset 5/2

 
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Rey
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 8:14 AM 

Hasn't there been some suggestion from Dizzy that our England players could make an appearance?

The weather forecast is set cloudy, though obviously this could change closer to the match
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643743

 
 
Peter
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 8:43 AM 

no question about it, we must put middlesex in.

1. 10.30 starts are more beneficial to bowling sides, especially in late september!

2. We give ourselves 2 good chances to win. a) by bowling out middlesex twice (obviously), b) by completing a run chase which middlesex must set us if somerset win (unless they get enough bp's so that a draw will keep them above a winning somerset)


 
 
Stu
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 10:01 AM 

Rey --- this from yesterdays "Press" suggests we are NOT going to get Root & Bairstow.

"....The White Rose will ask the ECB if there has been any change in the availability of Joe Root and Jonny Bairstow ahead of England’s forthcoming tour to Bangladesh, although Jason Gillespie has admitted he is not holding out much hope.

“We’ll just have to wait and see,” he said. “We’ll keep you posted on that, but I’d say it’s doubtful.

“You always ask if your best players are going to be available, but I think it’s been made pretty clear that they’re not going to be available.

“We feel we have the squad to get the job done. It’s highly doubtful those two will be there.”

As for the team, IMO, Willey, Plunkett, or Bresnan could do a better job than Leaning at 5, so I would go with.

Lyth, Lees, Ballance, Gale, Bresnan, Rashid, Plunkett, Hodd, Brooks, Patto, Siddy.

Agree, we stick em in without a toss with a 10.30 start, as this gives us two chances of winning as Peter states.

A draw is no use to us or Middlesex if Somerset win with max points, so Middlesex will have to declare if the want to win the CC.

Obviously, a win for us is what we all want. For me, my second choice would be a win for Middlesex, then at least then the best and most deserving side have won the CC, instead of Somerset, who have been preparing "dodgy" wickets and have got away "scott free" with no points deductions. The last thing I want is a draw, which would, most likely, hand the title to Somerset.


    
This message has been edited by StuartRA on Sep 17, 2016 10:03 AM


 
 
Lewis
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 10:04 AM 

Think we need to wait for the day itself to assess conditions but I feel Middlesex have the most impressive batting line up in the competition and by putting them in they could bat long and put of the game.

Then again, our bowling is out strong point and you have to put your faith in them.

Personally, you back the proven 4 bowlers of Brooks Sidebottom Patterson and Bresnan. Plunks has not been good in the CC this season. You could make an argument for his pace at Lord's but I would stick. Rashid picks himself though maybe batting below Bresnan.

Lyth, Lees and Ballance start though I do not like Ballance at 3. Gales captain.

Would be a dream to have JB and Root. If I could have one it would be Bairstow as the whole dynamic of our balance and batting line up changes.

As much as I respect Hodd and he I a decent keeper and ok batsman, for a team wishing to win the league with a suspect middle order, he is a passenger.

 
 
marsker
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 10:12 AM 

Interesting surrey have won the toss and chose to bat. But it is a one day match, not a four day championship game.


    
This message has been edited by marskeman on Sep 17, 2016 10:20 AM


 
 
Stu
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 10:22 AM 

Lewis -- I also do not like Ballance at 3 (Gale at 4 is not good either), but at the moment we have no choice. 5 is his best position. Also agree with you re Plunkett, but I am playing him as a batsman who bowls a bit. If we had a decent middle-order, agree, we would not play him. With our middle order playing as they are, we need Plunketts runs down the order.


    
This message has been edited by StuartRA on Sep 17, 2016 10:24 AM


 
 
Dwight_Schrute
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 10:29 AM 

Agree with Stu's side.

Normally wouldn't entertain 5 seamers, but the one's in question are more reliable with the bat than Leaning at present.

Even if Plunkett just charges in and bowls 3-4 over spells of quick stuff, it gives the attack a different dimension.


 
 
Lewis
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 10:41 AM 

Very fair point Stu.

In big games you need your big players. Plunkett and even Willey fit into that category.

 
 
East Coast Type
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 12:52 PM 

As I mentioned on another thread, a specialist batsman has to score runs not just be unable to bowl. As such, Plunkett should be preferred to Leaning. Leaning averages 17 this season, with one 50. Plunkett is averaging 45 and has a ton and three 50s (including one last week). And, of course, offers a different bowling option.

Player availability (or lack of it) means for me that we must pick an unusual looking team full of all-rounders and also put Middlesex in to bat pretty much come what may. Least worst options and all that.

One thing that has popped into my head. If we were in the one day final today, would the ECB have let Root and Jonny play?


    
This message has been edited by EastCoastType on Sep 17, 2016 12:53 PM


 
 
JG
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 1:07 PM 

I too agree with the above XI and the reasons behind that selection.

One point I'd like to mention: we still have some very good batsmen in our lineup- Lees and Lyth are as good as any openers in the country and Ballance, although not a number 3 in my opinion, is still a Test batsman- just not many of them. A lot of pressure on those three, but if a couple of them play as they can we'll be in with a shout.

 
 
Dwight_Schrute
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 1:08 PM 

Well if the pitch is anything like this one for the final, then Rafiq becomes another option!

 
 
Stu
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 1:43 PM 

The wicket for Tuesdays match looks very green (at the moment). It may change with a couple of cuts though.


 
 
YorkTyke
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 7:02 PM 

Angus Fraser was interviewed on TMS this afternoon during the RL Cup Final interval. He was asked if he felt that the Yorkshire supporters were right to feel aggrieved that Root and Bairstow were unable to play next week whilst he as an England selector and Director of Cricket at Middlesex had a full squad to pick from. He got quite "arsey" at the suggestion that he had anything to do with the decision to rest Root and Bairstow. He said he had seen some of the comments directed at him in various outlets and thought some of them verged on the libelous.

He claimed that the decision to rest England players at the end of the season was taken by Strauss & the England coaching staff after talking to individual players to find out which ones felt they needed a rest. This would appear to be at odds with the commonly held perception that the players are simply told what to do regardless of their wishes. Someone posted in another thread that they understood Bairstow had expressed a wish to play for Yorkshire at the end of the season. It would seem odd that an England selector and Director of Cricket at a county club doesn't know the criteria under which England players don't play for their clubs at the end of the season. Perhaps someone on here who knows how to contact Graves or Strauss can ask them whether England players have an option to play for their counties at the end of the season if they wish or not.

Fraser was also asked how Murtagh was available for selection next week when he is touring with Ireland this winter. He replied that Middlesex have a good relationship with the Irish Cricket Union and that Murtagh would not be missing any Irish tour games by playing next week. This of course is the same for Root and Bairstow but it would appear that the ICU and the ECB have different reasoning.

 
 
Alibor
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 8:24 PM 

There is little doubt that Strauss, Fraser and the Lords hierarchy have colluded to have Root and Bairstow rested so they cannot play in this match to help Middlesex to win the CC - it would be a hollow victory in such circumstances. They clearly have NOT consulted Bairstow about his preference and Root is not playing in the Bangladesh one day series. The situation is simply appalling. How on earth is Buttler allowed to play for his county when he is to captain the one day squad to play Bangladesh?


    
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Stu
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 8:26 PM 

If Angus Fraser was "arsey", it would suggest that the rumours about him are true. You would not get "arsey", if they were untrue, you would just laugh them off or ignore them completly.

 
 
Guest
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 8:48 PM 

Clearly his denial proves he's in a conspiracy.

 
 
East Coast Type
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 8:52 PM 

In response to YorkTyke:

The complaint is not that it is a Middlesex stitch-up - typical cheap journalistic angle. It is that the 'treating each England player as an individual' policy is, at this stage of the season, likely to affect the integrity of the championship, especially when it is implemented so excessively (as in the case of Jonny). We suffer this year (and, yes, that makes me cross), maybe another team next year.

I don't think anyone connected with the game can really think it is ideal or even satisfactory that the 'treating each player as an individual' policy has affected the balance of a title deciding game so signficantly. The issue is not that certain people care about Middlesex winning the championship. It is that certain people don't care who wins the championship or even whether the championship exists at all.


Edit: OK, I see from the above posts that some people do think Middlesex is involved in a stich-up. Come on guys, really?


    
This message has been edited by EastCoastType on Sep 17, 2016 8:56 PM


 
 
Idle man
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 8:55 PM 

As good a summary of the genuine, legitimate causes for anger that we have had.

 
 
Guest
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Re: CHAMPIONSHIP | Middlesex vs Yorkshire (Pre-match thread)

September 17 2016, 9:23 PM 

As I said previously, Anyone who claims there's a conspiracy immediately loses credibility in their argument.

 
 
 
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