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Vaughan holding forth

November 2 2016 at 4:57 PM
Martin  (Login Martinh00)

I see that Vaughan is holding forth again:


Funny that earlier in the summer he criticised the England management for not selecting Anderson when he had a niggle saying that Flintoff used to play when he was 50% fit (remind me, at what age did Flintoff retire?) Why he is taking the opposite view with Stokes is anyone's guess.

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(Login EastYorkshireTyke)

Re: Vaughan holding forth

November 2 2016, 5:06 PM 

Every time Vaughan opens his mouth the memories of 2005 become ever more tainted.

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Re: Vaughan holding forth

November 2 2016, 9:53 PM 

He's saying things like this, which was the opposite of what he said in past, because he's got a boss. They want him to say this type of thing because it sells. As they say he who pays the piper calls the tune. No doubt there's countless writers that wanted to write A but were told to write B. I think some people need to remember he doesn't have total free reign in his paid columns.

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Re: Vaughan holding forth

November 2 2016, 10:21 PM 

The batting order is suffering from inconsistent selection, faith in some who should have gone sooner and the need to try someone new every time rather than look back to someone who has had a go and been discarded.

Trott, Bell, Pietersen departing for a variety of reasons (illness, loss of form, personality?) saw three experienced players disappear. Taylor sad retirement was unforeseen but he would have had a good run otherwise, but then the trials with Lyth, Compton, Robson, Vince, Ballance Hales and now Duckett and Hameed suggest muddled thinking by the selectors whereas in the past the Lions was a natural progression route.

When they went back to Compton and Ballance they had no real form but were picked on the strength of one decent knock it seems. Why not Robson who was in better sustainable form or Lyth likewise?

I think the opener with Cook has to be a right hander if possible to bugger up the opening bowlers line of delivery. Robson or Hameed might be the answer.

Duckett can come in the middle order as his technique against a new ball may be exposed but he has talent. Hameed may not score quickly enough for the liking of the management. But sadly Ballance is in no form ,his confidence is shot and Vaughan is right. I just wish he would offer some constructive coaching or mentoring to Garry away from the media to add more value than his mouth or pen do in the media

Geoff B
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Haseeb Hameed

November 2 2016, 11:54 PM 

I would be very surprised to see anyone other than Hameed opening the batting with Cook in India, and possibly for the foreseeable future if he does a half decent job which I think he will.

I can sort of see why they went for Duckett in Bangladesh on pitches they thought they needed to, and thought they could, win on in 3 days.

They can have no such allusions against India where they need to take their time and bat long, in the hope of holding out for draws and perhaps forcing the odd win.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Ballance retain his place at 4 for the first test at least. I don't see Duckett or Buttler being the right type of players to bat so high in the order in India.

I wish we had another specialist batting option instead of so many bowlers and all rounders. Exactly who would be another question, certainly not Billings, as advocated by brother Vaughan.

Old Feller
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Re: Haseeb Hameed

November 3 2016, 10:04 AM 

Does anybody know if Billings is managed by the same organisation that Vaughan works for or at least has a major interest in?

(Login Seadog73)

Re: Haseeb Hameed

November 3 2016, 10:37 AM 

Billings does not appear to be an ISM client, unlike Buttler, who Vaughan specifically does not want in the test team in India. Vaughan's decline from England great to media personality does become very irritating at times.

(Login EastYorkshireTyke)

Re: Haseeb Hameed

November 3 2016, 1:37 PM 

I really hope Hameed isn't brought in for this series. Having him and Cook open the batting on the raging turners we'll face will ensure we're behind the game right from the off. Must stick with the more pro-active Duckett for this series.

(Login Jacobus24)

Re: Haseeb Hameed

November 3 2016, 3:49 PM 

I hadn't realised 'we' existed in relation to the ECB.

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