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India v England Ist Test (Match thread)

November 8 2016 at 2:22 PM
Egham Tyke  (Login Davetyke)

No surprise that Ballance has gone, replaced by Duckett at 4 and Hameed making his debut as yet another opening partner for Cook
No place for Buttler either

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Re: India v England Ist Test

November 8 2016, 4:04 PM 

The sensible and logical decision on all counts.

Duckett probably better at 4 than opening, Hameed looks a vg prospect and should have been opening in Bangladesh, Ballance is at the moment a "walking wicket" and Buttler is not the answer as his replacement.

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Re: India v England Ist Test

November 8 2016, 4:10 PM 

Hard to disagree but can Ballance now find some winter practice that will be of use to us on a cloudy damp day in England in April rather than a Bunsen burner in India


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Re: India v England Ist Test

November 8 2016, 5:36 PM 

If anyone in the England setup had bothered to watch the last afternoon of our final match at Lords they wouldn't have taken poor Ballance in the first place. Hameed would have then been able to make his debut in Bangladesh rather than in India

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Re: India v England Ist Test

November 8 2016, 6:02 PM 

Good luck to young Hameed, hope he goes well, but think they have given him a raw deal by not starting him in Bangladesh. Surely a couple of tests against them would have been ideal preparation.

Re ballance, I can't understand why they haven't made an amendement to the squad after the 2nd test and replaced him with another batter. He looks to me like someone who needs a couple of months away from cricket, as he is over thinking things, - a fresh start is needed, not hanging around India for a month or even worse having to play later iin the series if someone got injured.

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Ansari Trumps Batty

November 9 2016, 8:24 AM 

Surprised to see that Ansari got the nod over Batty. Not the most stunning selection surprise of the day but I hope it turns out to be a good move.

Decent start on the batting side, especially Root, maybe we have been a little too gloomy about England's chances.

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Re: Ansari Trumps Batty

November 9 2016, 10:03 AM 

Thank goodness for something to celebrate after the US elections & waking up to wet snow on the ground & it's still sleeting.
Well played MoJO, I guess it's working again.

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Re: Ansari Trumps Batty

November 9 2016, 10:23 AM 

Me & my big gob!

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Re: Ansari Trumps Batty

November 9 2016, 11:34 AM 

Haven't been able to watch any of it so the only comment I can make is decent first day, well done Joe and Moeen. It must be the most used cliché on this forum but you really can't say too much until they've batted.

Hoping for a big score from Bairstow sometime tomorrow to see us over 500.

Geoff B
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Nice looking ground

November 9 2016, 10:25 PM 

Just watched the highlights, really good days play on a decent wicket. Local expert reckons it will begin to break up towards the end of the second day so winning the toss might mean winning the match.

Not a very big crowd considering how much the Indians like their cricket but very impressed with the stadium, at least on telly. Only cost 14 million dollars U.S. I read somewhere, bargain.

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Re: Nice looking ground

November 10 2016, 11:50 AM 

Another pretty good day for England.
Excellent knock by Stokes who is maturing into the most valuable team member, well supported by Root & Ali.
The wicket is very different to those in Bangladesh & much less spin/bowler friendly than had been anticipated.

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Re: Nice looking ground

November 10 2016, 4:24 PM 

Great batting effort from England, hopefully with the cracks opening up we can get a decent first innings lead and bowl them out on the final day.

What a special player Stokes is, think he could be dangerous with reverse swing bowling in this match too!!

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Re: Nice looking ground

November 12 2016, 8:56 AM 

A slight first innings lead for England, it will be imperative now not to collapse against Ashwin on a wearing wicket.
I've watched none of the India innings but see that there were 23 byes, was that due to the state of the pitch or bad keeping by Bairstow?
It won't take much for the clamour for Buttler to keep wicket & play JB solely as a batsman to erupt I fear.
Whatever happens there are potentially four fascinating sessions coming up.

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November 12 2016, 9:52 AM 

I haven't watched the verdict but the regular commentators haven't made a big thing of it while I've been watching or listening. Watched yesterday highlights and most of the byes seemed to be down the leg side, just missing the pads. To be fair our spinners, though better than of late, really do spray it around a bit.

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Re: Extra's

November 12 2016, 10:03 AM 

Four more wickets for Rashid and his test bowling average is now down to 46.2!

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Re: Extra's

November 12 2016, 12:20 PM 

Excellent knock by Hameed who really does look the part but we need to also see him exposed to a constant barrage of real pace.
I think there are two views re not playing him in Bangladesh:
Exposing him to spin on those wickets so early in his career could have set him back & therefore the England management were wise to leave him till this game.
The English management being naturally cautious decided on as few changes as possible & Duckett had played well enough to try as an opener.
I think they made an error of judgement & should have opened with Hameed in Bangladesh but we're all wise with hindsight.
It all sets up an intriguing day tomorrow.

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Re: Extra's

November 12 2016, 12:53 PM 

The search for Cook's partner may finally be over, what composure Hameed has. Coincidentally (or not), Cook and Root made their debuts in India and both immediately looked the part.


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Re: Extra's

November 12 2016, 2:04 PM 

I watched Hameed grow throughout 2016, from my first impression ['right-handed Joe Sayers'] through the determined but relatively strokeless opener who made runs for Lancs at Lord's, to the guy who scored a brilliant Roses century.

He was magnificent today. Nailed on certainty for years to come, just as Joe was [Root, not Sayers!] from his first Test. And wasn't Adil superb, too?

If only England had had the balls to pick Gubbins and Leach, too, and if Anderson and Wood were fit, we would now be close to having a team of 13 or so, balanced for all conditions.

Cook, Hameed, Gubbins - openers
Root, Bairstow, Duckett, Joe Clarke, Ali - middle order, incluing 3 w-keepers and a spinner.
Stokes - world-class all-rounder.
Rashid, Leach - specialist spinners, and
Wood, Woakes, Broad, Anderson - six bowlers, of whom 3 can bat.

Plus, ideally, an Alan Knott, if one were to emerge.

That's 16 players, including 'Knott', with others (such as Keaton Jennings and Sam Curran, plus Billings, Buttler, etc, giving us huge strength in depth, potentially.

Did they really pick Hales? And Compton?

Geoff B
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Re: Extra's

November 12 2016, 8:46 PM 

Have to agree it certainly looks like Hameed is the future. Fingers crossed for his maiden test century tomorrow, first of many if it does happen.

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Re: Extra's

November 13 2016, 5:04 AM 

From a very selfish point of view the rise of Hameed and Duckett potentially covers off 2 of the 5 spots in the order. Add Cook, Root and possibly Ali/Clarke and from a Yorkshire perspective we could have Lyth, Lee's, Ballance in our 11 for quite some time. I obviously mean that merely from a Yorkshire perspective and not to dismiss their personal ambitions.

Having 3 quality proven Yorkshire batsman available is a great place to start. Hopefully add an overseas signing for the majority of the season and we might start to see more structure.

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